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Why do you guys hate Jews?

 
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We do not hate jews we hate the ones portraying themselves as Jews (as stated in Revelations) but are serving another entity not God. They are the Zionists, the elite pulling the strings of every aspect of our societies from finance to the medias and politics. Today, they want to internally destroy the US and Europe so Israel may take over and they are managing very well in doing so (economy, gun ban, ...)
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"freedumb"? "peaceful iranian nuclear technology"? LOL well? am i now supposed to take you seriously?

the left and the muzz both have the same goal and that is to destroy judeo-christian values of which this country was founded upon. what this nation was flies in the face of leftist ideology. the enemy of my enemy is my friend so they have joined forces and once they have destroyed the west they will turn on each other. unfortunately i will not be here to watch scum eat scum, but you will.

it is an unholy alliance
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There is no such thing as "Judeo-Christianity" [which, by the way, is NOT what the United States of America, nor Western Civilization, was founded upon].
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really? i think the founding fathers would disagree with you. but given that you are right exactly what philosophy was the US founded?
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The United States was founded on the principles of a Republic supported by debt-free money.
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Stop spreading your fucking bullshit.

Judaism as a racial, terroristic, anti-Gentile doctrine has its foundations in the Torah.
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its not the torah thats the problem but the talmud which is in essence the most fucked up racially charged text written by deceived pharisees of that time.
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The Torah is most certainly the problem.
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no it's not, you have to read the texts to see what is written before you blabber bullshit, torah is basically the old testament of the bible... the talmud is the text of delusional evil as well as solomon's kabbalistic magic.
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My issue with Jews is that they are biased and have extreme favoritism for other Jews above non-Jews. Meaning when deciding which company to give business to, they'll almost always pick a Jewish company above a non-Jewish company, and when hiring people they'll almost always pick a Jewish person above a similarly qualified non-Jewish person. Some are very open about it that they'll only hire Jews.

I've had a number of other bad experiences dealing with them but that above sums it up.
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"freedumb"? "peaceful iranian nuclear technology"? LOL well? am i now supposed to take you seriously?

the left and the muzz both have the same goal and that is to destroy judeo-christian values of which this country was founded upon. what this nation was flies in the face of leftist ideology. the enemy of my enemy is my friend so they have joined forces and once they have destroyed the west they will turn on each other. unfortunately i will not be here to watch scum eat scum, but you will.

it is an unholy alliance
 Quoting: davvi


There is no such thing as "Judeo-Christianity" [which, by the way, is NOT what the United States of America, nor Western Civilization, was founded upon].
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really? i think the founding fathers would disagree with you. but given that you are right exactly what philosophy was the US founded?
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The United States was founded on the principles of a Republic supported by debt-free money.
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US is a freemasonic creation created the same year as the illuminati, it is a vision of francis bacon for a new atlantis, new babylon... read the book appolyon rising 2012 by tom horn and your mind will be blown away with undeniable facts.
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My issue with Jews is that they are biased and have extreme favoritism for other Jews above non-Jews. Meaning when deciding which company to give business to, they'll almost always pick a Jewish company above a non-Jewish company, and when hiring people they'll almost always pick a Jewish person above a similarly qualified non-Jewish person. Some are very open about it that they'll only hire Jews.

I've had a number of other bad experiences dealing with them but that above sums it up.
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Oh and whenever you criticize a Jew they don't hesitate to call you an "anti-semite" then you're basically considered a racist.

What other group of people has a word specific to them like "anti-semite?"
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then you are rather ill-informed, the above serve islam to the detriment of this country and freedom. i personally don't give a crap about religion one way or the other and neither do the above mentioned they are concerned with ideology and the destruction of western values.
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^^^^^^^

A Jew that doesn't give a crap about the Jewish religion.

But he still calls himself a Jew.

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There's such a thing as humanistic Jews. Those are people who were born into a Jewish family and who identify with their family, the people and culture, but who do not practice the religious aspect of Judaism.
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Ah.

People who don't even believe in God believe that God gave the land now called "Israel" to the Jews. And they expect the rest of us to believe it too.

Okay.

That makes sense.

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Did I say anything about "god gave the land"? What part of "do not practice the religious aspect" did you not understand? You make no sense. You're arguing with yourself.
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My issue with Jews is that they are biased and have extreme favoritism for other Jews above non-Jews. Meaning when deciding which company to give business to, they'll almost always pick a Jewish company above a non-Jewish company, and when hiring people they'll almost always pick a Jewish person above a similarly qualified non-Jewish person. Some are very open about it that they'll only hire Jews.

I've had a number of other bad experiences dealing with them but that above sums it up.
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true plus you need a really good lawyer if you ever sign a any sort of business contract with them cause they'll fuck you if you are not careful.
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We do not hate jews we hate the ones portraying themselves as Jews (as stated in Revelations) but are serving another entity not God. They are the Zionists, the elite pulling the strings of every aspect of our societies from finance to the medias and politics. Today, they want to internally destroy the US and Europe so Israel may take over and they are managing very well in doing so (economy, gun ban, ...)
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Stop it will ya. We get it. You're a Muslim and you blame the Jews for everything.
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I have no problem with Jews.

Zionists, on the other hand, are the spawn of Satan.
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"On this site, the terms Jew and Zionist are used in a precise way. All Jews are Zionists (even those who claim to oppose Zionism) unless they voluntarily do not reproduce. This is because the fundamental motivation for Zionism is the Jewish identity itself, and thus all demographic reinforcement of the Jewish identity amounts to implicit support for Zionism, even if such support is not professed. On the other hand, not all Zionists are Jews, indeed part of the difficulty of dealing with Zionism is because Jews are able to herd non-Jews into promoting the Zionist agenda. Among non-Jewish Zionists, we distinguish broadly between Zionist agents (witting workers for Zionism) and Zionist useful idiots (unwitting workers for Zionism). For the record, Zionism did not originate with Theodor Herzl (Jew), but is as old as the Tanakh itself – “Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion” – and refers simply to the political expression of Judaism throughout history."

"The easiest way for a crime network to stay in power is to deploy its own members as the investigators of its own crimes, and on each occasion set up either low-level puppets or completely innocent victims to take the fall. The easiest way for an invisible government to stay in power is to deploy its own members as the critics of its own policies, and on each occasion set up the visible government to take the fall. This is conventionally known as scapegoating – a concept originating in the Tanakh whereby the sins of a Jew can be ritually transferred to a sacrificial goat sent into the wilderness, leaving the Jew sinless.

This is a standard trick periodically used by Zionists to produce the illusion of change (criminals caught, bad governments overthrown, etc.) – what we call a Goy Wheel – that prevents people from seeking the slavemaster behind the curtains. Each time it succeeds, Zionists can demand more power over society as a whole, ostensibly to address the problem (that they themselves created), actually to move the world nearer to Zion."


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[link to www.jewsnotzionists.org]
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Stop posting your degenerate misinformation all over the site. Judaism is Zionism and it's root is in the Tanakh.

Jews were being thrown out of countries for the exact same behavior that "True Torah Jews" are trying to scapegoat onto "Zionist Jews" long before Theodor Herzl was born. Stop obfuscating the issue.
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Zionism was founded 100 years ago, by Theodor Herzl, an austrian journalist ... i can only urge everybody to read below what the real jews have to say about the huge difference between judaism and zionism.

Its common that zionist shills want to bury this truth, because as zionism only exists since 100 years, they want to high jack this immense tradition of true judaism in order to instrumentalize it for their own satanic aims. Zionists pose as they're jewish, but aren't at all.

Zionism is a racist, fascist, islamophobic and truly anti-semitic movement of atheist fanatics posing as being representatives of true judaism.

Please read here:

Zionism was founded in 1896 by Austrian journalist Theodor Herzl (another Austrian trying to seal the fate of jews ... this time from within the jewish community)

You all know, Hitler was Austrian too, isn't it intriguing?

"... Zionism was founded in the late 1890s by Austrian journalist Theodor Herzl ..."

[link to books.google.ch]

"... in 1897 Herzl's newly founded World Zionist Organisation held its first congress in Switzerland ..."

[link to books.google.ch]


What is Zionism?

Zionism is a movement founded by Theodor Herzl in 1896 whose goal is the return of Jews to Eretz Yisrael, or Zion, the Jewish synonym for Jerusalem and the Land of Israel.

The name of "Zionism" comes from the hill Zion, the hill on which the Temple of Jerusalem was situated.

Supporters of this movement are called "Zionists".

Today there is much confusion among Jews over the meaning of the term Zionism. It means different things to different people.

The reason for this is that historically, Zionism has been a movement dominated by secularist Jews. Herzl and most of his colleagues were assimilated Jews, who did not believe in or practice the Torah. Some Zionists were vehemently anti-religious, and saw the Torah and mitzvos as outdated rituals with no place in their modern state.

Yet the essence of the Zionist idea - that Jews should return to the Holy Land and establish a government - is not inherently secular, and in fact the Zionist movement had some religious members from the very beginning.

Some Jews today use Zionism as a synonym for Israeli secularism, and thus support the State of Israel while claiming to be anti-Zionist. These people's only complaint about the State of Israel is that it is not religious enough. They hope for the day when the state will be dominated by the religious parties.

But this is not the meaning of the term Zionism as used on this site. When we talk about Zionism here, we are refering to the concept that Jews should rise up, emancipate themselves from exile without waiting for the messiah, and establish a Jewish government in the Holy Land. Using Jewish texts, we demonstrate that this concept is against the Torah and has been opposed by rabbis in all generations.

There have been hundreds of rabbis over the past century who spoke out against the Zionist movement. But because of the ambiguity of the term, it is not always possible to prove that a given rabbi meant to oppose the concept of Zionism, rather than just secularism. For this reason, religious Zionists often make the claim that much rabbinic opposition to Zionism was only because it was a secular movement. On the "Rabbinic Quotations" section of this site, we have avoided this confusion by carefully selecting those quotations that are clearly against the concept of Zionism itself. As the reader will see, these quotations alone are enough proof that almost all of the greatest sages and leaders of the Jewish people opposed the establishment of a Jewish state.

[link to www.truetorahjews.org]

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Distinguishing between atheist Zionism and Judaism

In the summer of 1982 there began a great savagery that caused the whole world to cry out in protest. The Israeli Army entered Lebanon in a sudden attack, and moved forward destroying every target that appeared before it. The Israelis surrounded the refugee camps, where Palestinians lived who had fled the Israeli occupation years before, and for two days used Lebanese Christian militias to slaughter innocent civilians. Within a few days, thousands of innocent people had been massacred.

This terrible Israeli terrorism outraged the whole world. The interesting thing, however, is that some of the protests came from jewish people, even Israeli jewish people. Professor Benjamin Cohen of Tel Aviv University penned a statement on June 6, 1982, saying:

I am writing to you while listening to a transistor that has just announced that 'we' are in the process of 'realizing our objectives' in Lebanon: to insure 'peace' for the residents of Galilee. These lies worthy of Goebbels make me mad. It is clear that this savage war, more barbaric than any of those preceding it, has nothing to do with the attempt in London or the security of Galilee ... jewish people, sons of Abraham ... jewish people, victims themselves of so much cruelty, how can they become so cruel? ... The greatest success of Zionism is the 'dejudaisation' of the jewish people. 1

Benjamin Cohen was not the only Israeli to oppose the Israeli occupation of Lebanon. Many Jewish intellectuals living in Israel condemned the savagery carried out by their own state.

This attitude was not restricted to the occupation of Lebanon. Israel’s oppression of the Palestinians, its insistence on its policy of occupation, and its links with the semi-fascist administrations in the former racist regime in South Africa had been criticized for many years by many prominent intellectuals in Israel. This Jewish criticism was aimed not just at the policies of Israel, but also at atheist Zionism, its official ideology.

This situation is the expression of a very important truth: Israel’s policy of occupation and state terrorism from 1967 up to the present stems from the ideology of atheist Zionism, and many jewish people in the world are opposed to it.

For Muslims, therefore, the concepts that should be criticized are not Judaism or the Jewish race, but Godless Zionism. In the same way that an anti-Nazi can have no hatred for the German people, so he can have none for the Jewish race because he opposes atheist Zionism.

The Racist Roots of Atheist Zionism

After the jewish people were expelled from Jerusalem in 70 AD, they began to spread to different parts of the world. During this period of the ‘diaspora,’ which lasted up to the 19th century, the vast majority of jewish people saw themselves as a religious group. Over time, most jewish people adopted the religion of the countries they lived in. jewish people in Germany, for example, began to speak German, and those in Britain, English. Hebrew was left as a sacred language used only in prayers and religious texts. When certain social restrictions on jewish people in European countries were lifted in the 19th century, jewish people began to assimilate with the societies they were living in. Most jewish people saw themselves as a ‘religious community,’ not as a ‘race’ or ‘nation.’ They described themselves as ‘Jewish Germans,’ ‘Jewish Britons,’ or ‘Jewish Americans.’

However, there was a huge rise in racism all over the world in the 19th century. Racist ideas, influenced in particular by Darwin’s theory of evolution, grew enormously and found many supporters particularly in Western societies. Atheist Zionism was the effect this racist storm had among the jewish people.


There are two varieties of Zionism today. The first of these is the Zionist conception of the devout Jewish people, who wish to live in peace and security in Israel alongside Muslims, seeking peace and wishing to worship in the lands of their forefathers and engage in business. In that sense, Muslims support Zionism. We would fully back the devout Jewish people living in peace and security in their own lands, remembering God, worshipping in their synagogues and engaging in science and trade in their own land.

The Zionist belief held by a devout Jew and based on the Torah does not in any way conflict with the Qur’an. The jewish people’ living in that region is indicated in the Qur’an, in which it is revealed that God has settled the Children of Israel on it:

Remember when Moses said to his people, “My people! Remember God’s blessing to you when He appointed prophets among you and appointed kings for you, and gave you what He had not given to anyone else in all the worlds! My people! Enter the Holy Land which God has ordained for you. Do not turn back in your tracks and so become transformed into losers.” (Surat al-Ma’ida: 20-21)

It is the “irreligious, Godless Zionism” that we as Muslims condemn and regard as a threat. These Godless Zionists, who do not defend the existence and oneness of God, but, on the contrary, encourage a Darwinist, materialist perspective and thus engage in irreligious propaganda, are also a threat to devout jewish people. Godless Zionism is today engaged in a struggle against peace, security and moral virtue, and constantly produces strife and chaos and the shedding of blood. Muslims and devout jewish people must join forces to oppose this Godless Zionism and encourage belief in God.

Judaism Is Not the Origin of Atheist Zionism

The jewish people who propagated the idea of Godless Zionism were people with very weak religious beliefs, most of whom were atheists. They saw Judaism as the name of a race, not as a community of belief. They suggested that the jewish people were a separate race from European nations, that it was impossible for them to live together and that it was essential they establish their own homeland. They did not rely on religious thinking when deciding where that homeland should be. Theodor Herzl, the founder of irreligious Zionism, once thought of Uganda, and this became known as the ‘Uganda Plan.’ The Zionists later decided on Palestine. The reason for this was Palestine was regarded as ‘the jewish people’ historic homeland’ rather than for any religious significance it had for them.

The atheist Zionists made great efforts to get other jewish people to accept these non-religious ideas. In fact, the World Zionist Organization that was set up for this purpose undertook vast propaganda work in all countries with Jewish populations, and suggested that jewish people could not live peacefully with other nations and that they were a separate ‘race,’ for which reason they had to go and settle in Palestine. Most Jewish communities ignored these calls.

In this way, atheist Zionism entered world politics as a racist ideology which maintained that jewish people should not live with other nations. First of all, this mistaken idea created grave problems for and pressure on jewish people living in the diaspora. Then for the millions of Muslims in the Middle East, it brought the Israeli policy of occupation and annexation, together with bloodshed, death, poverty and terror.

Many jewish people today criticize this atheist and radical form of Zionist  ideology. Rabbi Hirsch, one of the foremost Jewish men of religion, said, ‘Zionism wants to define the Jewish people as a national entity ... which is a heresy.’ 2

The famous French Muslim thinker Roger Garaudy wrote this on the subject:

The worst enemy of the prophetic Jewish faith is the nationalist, racist and colonialist logic of tribal Zionism, born of the nationalism, racism and colonialism of 19th century Europe. This logic …inspired all the colonialisms of the West and all its wars of one nationalism against another…There is no future or security for Israel and no peace in the Middle East unless Israel becomes "dezionized" and returns to the faith of Abraham, which is the spiritual, fraternal and common heritage of the three revealed religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. 3


[link to harunyahya.com]

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Something else that was pointed out to me that I never realized..

How many movies or TV shows is it seemingly cool or acceptable to portray Christians in a negative light? What about Muslims? It is almost the norm or openly acceptable.

How many movies or TV shows bash Jews?

I can't think of any but there's got to be some right?

Then what if someone openly says they hate Christians or Muslims? Again it's no big deal. What if they say they hate Jews? Watch out!
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^^^^^^^

A Jew that doesn't give a crap about the Jewish religion.

But he still calls himself a Jew.

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There's such a thing as humanistic Jews. Those are people who were born into a Jewish family and who identify with their family, the people and culture, but who do not practice the religious aspect of Judaism.
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Ah.

People who don't even believe in God believe that God gave the land now called "Israel" to the Jews. And they expect the rest of us to believe it too.

Okay.

That makes sense.

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Did I say anything about "god gave the land"? What part of "do not practice the religious aspect" did you not understand? You make no sense. You're arguing with yourself.
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So now you're telling me that "god" DIDN'T give the Jews the land they're calling Israel.

Okay, now we're getting somewhere.

So what makes you think that the Jews "own" this property now?
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They have done nothing to y'all. Why the hate?
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judethcflo9 Because they are the children of the Devil and they hate what he hates. Until the end comes.

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
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How influential can such a very small minority of the world do such things people say, it is absurd. The fact the Jews have been persecuted is as old as life itself. They are the children of God and God will have you pay a significant price on judgment day.
I will bless those that bless the, and I will curse those that curse the.

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because they hate us, i mean me, i mean arab
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What's there to like....honestly..
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WHY IS WORLD JEWRY OPPOSED TO THE ZIONIST STATE

1) WHAT IS "THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL" ?

-The people of Israel have existed for thousands of years.
-It has its own particular, essential, nature.
-The Torah is the source of its essential nature.
-Without Torah and faith there is no people of Israel.
-Whoever denies the Torah and the Faith is no longer part of the people of Israel.
-The purpose of the People of Israel in this world is Divine service.
-Their salvation is occupation in Divine Service.

2) WHAT IS ZIONISM ?

-Zionism is a new thing.
-It has only existed for a century.
-Zionism redefines the true essential nature of the people of Israel, and substitutes for it a completely contradictory and opposite character.
- a materialistic worldly nation.
-Their misfortune is lack of what other nations have. i.e. a state and army.
-Their salvation is possession of a state and army etc.
- This is clearly speed out in the circles of Zionist though, and among the leaders of the Zionist state, That through changing the nature and character of the people of Israel and by changing their way of thinking they can set before the People of Israel "their salvation." -- a state and an army.

3) THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL OPPOSE THIS FOR 4 REASONS

FIRST - Because this is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the people of Israel, as it explained above. Because the only time that the people of Israel where permitted to have a state were two thousand years ago when the Glory of the Creator was upon us. And likewise in the future when the Glory of the Creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him. Then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service.

However, a wordily state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substituted another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation." And the means of achieving this "salvation" is also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize land and army.

However, the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. And this is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather, it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.

SECOND - Because of all of this and other reasons Torah forbids us to end the exile and establish a state and army until the Holy One, blessed be He, in His Glory and Essence redeems us. This is forbidden even if the state is conducted according to the law of the Torah. Because arising from the exile itself is forbidden, and we are required to remain under the rule of the nations of the world, as it explained in the book VAYOEL MOSHE. And the Holy One, blessed be He, has warned us that if we transgress this injunction, He will bring upon us (may we be spared) terrible punishment.

THIRD - Aside from arising from exile, all the deeds of the Zionists are diametrically opposed to the Faith and the Torah. Because the foundation of the Faith and Torah of Israel, is that the Torah was revealed from heaven, and there is reward for those who obey it and punishment for those who transgress it. The entire People of Israel are required to obey the Torah, and whoever doesn't want to, ceases to be part of the Congregation of Israel.

FOURTH - Aside from the fact that they themselves do not obey the Torah, they do everything they can to prevent anyone they get under their power, from fulfilling the commands of the Torah. They do this both with force and with trickery. Their claims to freedom of religion are lies. They fight will all of their strength to destroy the Faith of Israel.

4) THE ZIONISTS CLAIM THAT THEY ARE THE SAVERS OF ISRAEL, BUT THIS IS REFUTED BY TWELVE THINGS.

FIRST - If one contemplates the two thousand years of our exile, take any hundred years even the hardest, one will not find as much suffering, bloodshed, and catastrophes for the People of Israel as in the period of the Zionists. And it is known that most of the suffering of this century was caused by the Zionists as our Rabbis warned us would be the case.

SECOND - It is openly stated in the books written by the founders of Zionism that the means by which they planned to establish a state was by instigating anti-Semitism, and undermining the security of the jewish people in all the lands of the world, until they would be forced to flee to their state. And thus they did. They intentionally infuriated the German people and fanned the flames of Nazi hatred, and then helped the Nazis, with trickery and deceit, to take whole Jewish communities off to the concentration camps, and the Zionists themselves admit this. (See books Perfidy, Min Ha Meitsor, etc.). The Zionists continue to practice this strategy today, they incite anti-Semitism and then they present themselves as the "saviors". Here are two replies given by leaders of the Zionists during World War II, when they were asked for money to help ransom jewish people from the Nazis. Greenbaum said "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the jewish people in Poland." (G-d Forbid). Weitzman said, The most important part of the Jewish people is already in the land (of Israel) and those who are left, are unimportant (May we be spared).

THIRD - We see that most of the world Jewry, lives in security under good physical conditions, and have no desire to go live in the Zionist state. Whereas many people have left the Zionist state to live under better conditions in other lands.

FOURTH - The Zionists make a great deal of propaganda to induce people to immigrate too their state. If their state is so beneficial why do they have to make so much propaganda.

FIFTH - Because nobody wants the Zionists to "Save them". The only way they can get immigrants is by promising poor people material benefits. And even then very few people respond.

SIXTH - The Zionist state is always threatened by the dangers of war. Whereas the rest of world Jewry lives in peace and security. (Except in a few places where the Zionists have undermined their security and fanned the flames of hatred)

SEVENTH - The Zionist state could not continue to exist without economic support from jewish people living outside of the Zionist state.

EIGHTH - The Zionist state is on the verge of economic collapse, and their money is nearly worthless.

NINTH - The Zionist state persecutes all jewish people who are loyal to their faith.

TENTH - They start wars that endanger the Jewish People, for the sake of their own political interests.

ELEVENTH - According to the Torah the path of safety is following ways of peace not starting fights with other nations, as the Zionists do.

TWELFTH - Even if the Zionists could and would provide physical security it would be at the expense of our Faith and Our Torah. And the true People of Israel prefer death rather than life at such a cost. It is therefore clear that Zionism is not the savior of the people of Israel. Rather it is their greatest misfortune.

5. EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE OBSERVANT jewish people AND RABBIS, WHO APPROVE OF THE ZIONISTS, THIS IS NOT THE OPINION OF THE TORAH.

- The people of Israel has existed for thousands of years.
- It has its own particular, essential, nature.
- The Torah is the source of its essential nature.
- Without Torah and faith there is no people of Israel.
- Whoever denies the Torah and the Faith is no longer part of the people of Israel.
- The purpose of the People of Israel in this world is Divine service.
- Their salvation is occupation in Divine Service.
- They make it look like all Jewry and their Rabbis are
Zionists, but this is false propaganda.
- The most important Rabbis and the majority of religious
Jewry are opposed to Zionism, but their voice is not heard because of Zionist control of American News media.
- The Zionists terrorize everyone who speaks out against
them.
- That part of the Jewish masses which is fooled by Zionist propaganda puts pressure on their Rabbis not to speak out.
- Between the terror and the pressure of the masses most of the Rabbis are prevented from speaking out.

6) WE BRING THREE TESTIMONIES OF THE TRUE OPINION OF THE TORAH.

1) In the past two thousand years of the dangers and sufferings of exile not once did any of the Sages of Israel suggest that we make a state to protect ourselves. And in every generation we had thousands of Sages well versed in the Torah.

2) We have thousands of legal work of Torah law that have been handed down to us by the Sages of all generations. Not once do we see a word suggesting the establishment of a state. What we do find is warnings against it.

3) The founders of Zionism where all atheists who denied the Torah. And all the Torah Sages of that time opposed them and opposed Zionism, saying that Zionism would lead only to destruction.

However the true People of Israel will never change their nature or give up their faith. They are the strongest of the strong. Because of their strength the Creator gives them. Zionism is a foreign growth in the body of the Jewish People. The end will be that it will rid itself of this foreign growth and remain pure. Zionism has overcome the Jewish people by force. With fraud and terror, but none of this will help them because the truth will always remain with the help of the Creator. Zionism will not replace the Jewish People. The Jewish People will remain strong in their faith and the Zionist state will cease to exist.

4) It is therefore, our demand that the State that calls itself ISRAEL should cease to exist. Since this won't be done, we demand that they cease to call themselves "Israel", because the entire being is in complete opposition to the true People of Israel. The true People of Israel deny them permission to call themselves by that Name. The Zionist leaders have no right to set themselves up as the representatives and spokesmen of the true People of ISRAEL.

5) Since we know they will not fulfill this demand either we feel that at least we cry out the truth. And the truth will always remain the truth. By no means or force can the truth be changed. Even if all the world would say that one and one are three, the truth will remain that one and one is two.

6) Let the truth be declared. The use of the Name "ISRAEL" by that state is a complete falsification. The people of Israel have nothing to do with the state. Zionism and its state have no share and no part in the true ISRAEL.

[link to www.jewsnotzionists.org]

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because they hate us, i mean me, i mean arab
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Distinguishing between atheist Zionism and Judaism

In the summer of 1982 there began a great savagery that caused the whole world to cry out in protest. The Israeli Army entered Lebanon in a sudden attack, and moved forward destroying every target that appeared before it. The Israelis surrounded the refugee camps, where Palestinians lived who had fled the Israeli occupation years before, and for two days used Lebanese Christian militias to slaughter innocent civilians. Within a few days, thousands of innocent people had been massacred.

This terrible Israeli terrorism outraged the whole world. The interesting thing, however, is that some of the protests came from jewish people, even Israeli jewish people. Professor Benjamin Cohen of Tel Aviv University penned a statement on June 6, 1982, saying:

I am writing to you while listening to a transistor that has just announced that 'we' are in the process of 'realizing our objectives' in Lebanon: to insure 'peace' for the residents of Galilee. These lies worthy of Goebbels make me mad. It is clear that this savage war, more barbaric than any of those preceding it, has nothing to do with the attempt in London or the security of Galilee ... jewish people, sons of Abraham ... jewish people, victims themselves of so much cruelty, how can they become so cruel? ... The greatest success of Zionism is the 'dejudaisation' of the jewish people. 1

Benjamin Cohen was not the only Israeli to oppose the Israeli occupation of Lebanon. Many Jewish intellectuals living in Israel condemned the savagery carried out by their own state.

This attitude was not restricted to the occupation of Lebanon. Israel’s oppression of the Palestinians, its insistence on its policy of occupation, and its links with the semi-fascist administrations in the former racist regime in South Africa had been criticized for many years by many prominent intellectuals in Israel. This Jewish criticism was aimed not just at the policies of Israel, but also at atheist Zionism, its official ideology.

This situation is the expression of a very important truth: Israel’s policy of occupation and state terrorism from 1967 up to the present stems from the ideology of atheist Zionism, and many jewish people in the world are opposed to it.

For Muslims, therefore, the concepts that should be criticized are not Judaism or the Jewish race, but Godless Zionism. In the same way that an anti-Nazi can have no hatred for the German people, so he can have none for the Jewish race because he opposes atheist Zionism.

The Racist Roots of Atheist Zionism

After the jewish people were expelled from Jerusalem in 70 AD, they began to spread to different parts of the world. During this period of the ‘diaspora,’ which lasted up to the 19th century, the vast majority of jewish people saw themselves as a religious group. Over time, most jewish people adopted the religion of the countries they lived in. jewish people in Germany, for example, began to speak German, and those in Britain, English. Hebrew was left as a sacred language used only in prayers and religious texts. When certain social restrictions on jewish people in European countries were lifted in the 19th century, jewish people began to assimilate with the societies they were living in. Most jewish people saw themselves as a ‘religious community,’ not as a ‘race’ or ‘nation.’ They described themselves as ‘Jewish Germans,’ ‘Jewish Britons,’ or ‘Jewish Americans.’

However, there was a huge rise in racism all over the world in the 19th century. Racist ideas, influenced in particular by Darwin’s theory of evolution, grew enormously and found many supporters particularly in Western societies. Atheist Zionism was the effect this racist storm had among the jewish people.


There are two varieties of Zionism today. The first of these is the Zionist conception of the devout Jewish people, who wish to live in peace and security in Israel alongside Muslims, seeking peace and wishing to worship in the lands of their forefathers and engage in business. In that sense, Muslims support Zionism. We would fully back the devout Jewish people living in peace and security in their own lands, remembering God, worshipping in their synagogues and engaging in science and trade in their own land.

The Zionist belief held by a devout Jew and based on the Torah does not in any way conflict with the Qur’an. The jewish people’ living in that region is indicated in the Qur’an, in which it is revealed that God has settled the Children of Israel on it:

Remember when Moses said to his people, “My people! Remember God’s blessing to you when He appointed prophets among you and appointed kings for you, and gave you what He had not given to anyone else in all the worlds! My people! Enter the Holy Land which God has ordained for you. Do not turn back in your tracks and so become transformed into losers.” (Surat al-Ma’ida: 20-21)

It is the “irreligious, Godless Zionism” that we as Muslims condemn and regard as a threat. These Godless Zionists, who do not defend the existence and oneness of God, but, on the contrary, encourage a Darwinist, materialist perspective and thus engage in irreligious propaganda, are also a threat to devout jewish people. Godless Zionism is today engaged in a struggle against peace, security and moral virtue, and constantly produces strife and chaos and the shedding of blood. Muslims and devout jewish people must join forces to oppose this Godless Zionism and encourage belief in God.

Judaism Is Not the Origin of Atheist Zionism

The jewish people who propagated the idea of Godless Zionism were people with very weak religious beliefs, most of whom were atheists. They saw Judaism as the name of a race, not as a community of belief. They suggested that the jewish people were a separate race from European nations, that it was impossible for them to live together and that it was essential they establish their own homeland. They did not rely on religious thinking when deciding where that homeland should be. Theodor Herzl, the founder of irreligious Zionism, once thought of Uganda, and this became known as the ‘Uganda Plan.’ The Zionists later decided on Palestine. The reason for this was Palestine was regarded as ‘the jewish people’ historic homeland’ rather than for any religious significance it had for them.

The atheist Zionists made great efforts to get other jewish people to accept these non-religious ideas. In fact, the World Zionist Organization that was set up for this purpose undertook vast propaganda work in all countries with Jewish populations, and suggested that jewish people could not live peacefully with other nations and that they were a separate ‘race,’ for which reason they had to go and settle in Palestine. Most Jewish communities ignored these calls.

In this way, atheist Zionism entered world politics as a racist ideology which maintained that jewish people should not live with other nations. First of all, this mistaken idea created grave problems for and pressure on jewish people living in the diaspora. Then for the millions of Muslims in the Middle East, it brought the Israeli policy of occupation and annexation, together with bloodshed, death, poverty and terror.

Many jewish people today criticize this atheist and radical form of Zionist  ideology. Rabbi Hirsch, one of the foremost Jewish men of religion, said, ‘Zionism wants to define the Jewish people as a national entity ... which is a heresy.’ 2

The famous French Muslim thinker Roger Garaudy wrote this on the subject:

The worst enemy of the prophetic Jewish faith is the nationalist, racist and colonialist logic of tribal Zionism, born of the nationalism, racism and colonialism of 19th century Europe. This logic …inspired all the colonialisms of the West and all its wars of one nationalism against another…There is no future or security for Israel and no peace in the Middle East unless Israel becomes "dezionized" and returns to the faith of Abraham, which is the spiritual, fraternal and common heritage of the three revealed religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. 3


[link to harunyahya.com]

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the whole "kosher" food thing is a scam in itself. you have to pay so much per year PLUS pay another fee whenever the rabbi randomly shows up to inspect the processing plant.
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You aren't getting it and you are just another of a long stream of garbage posters in this thread who keep name dropping "True Torah Jews" and non-Zionist Jews. One more, for emphasis:

"The easiest way for a crime network to stay in power is to deploy its own members as the investigators of its own crimes, and on each occasion set up either low-level puppets or completely innocent victims to take the fall. The easiest way for an invisible government to stay in power is to deploy its own members as the critics of its own policies, and on each occasion set up the visible government to take the fall. This is conventionally known as scapegoating – a concept originating in the Tanakh whereby the sins of a Jew can be ritually transferred to a sacrificial goat sent into the wilderness, leaving the Jew sinless."
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Go fuck yourself, shit for brains.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

If you can't keep up with the god damned conversation, by all means find another goddamned thread that you can make an intelligent comment on, you fucking waste of human skin.
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WHY IS WORLD JEWRY OPPOSED TO THE ZIONIST STATE

1) WHAT IS "THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL" ?

-The people of Israel have existed for thousands of years.
-It has its own particular, essential, nature.
-The Torah is the source of its essential nature.
-Without Torah and faith there is no people of Israel.
-Whoever denies the Torah and the Faith is no longer part of the people of Israel.
-The purpose of the People of Israel in this world is Divine service.
-Their salvation is occupation in Divine Service.

2) WHAT IS ZIONISM ?

-Zionism is a new thing.
-It has only existed for a century.
-Zionism redefines the true essential nature of the people of Israel, and substitutes for it a completely contradictory and opposite character.
- a materialistic worldly nation.
-Their misfortune is lack of what other nations have. i.e. a state and army.
-Their salvation is possession of a state and army etc.
- This is clearly speed out in the circles of Zionist though, and among the leaders of the Zionist state, That through changing the nature and character of the people of Israel and by changing their way of thinking they can set before the People of Israel "their salvation." -- a state and an army.

3) THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL OPPOSE THIS FOR 4 REASONS

FIRST - Because this is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the people of Israel, as it explained above. Because the only time that the people of Israel where permitted to have a state were two thousand years ago when the Glory of the Creator was upon us. And likewise in the future when the Glory of the Creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him. Then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service.

However, a wordily state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substituted another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation." And the means of achieving this "salvation" is also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize land and army.

However, the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. And this is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather, it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.

SECOND - Because of all of this and other reasons Torah forbids us to end the exile and establish a state and army until the Holy One, blessed be He, in His Glory and Essence redeems us. This is forbidden even if the state is conducted according to the law of the Torah. Because arising from the exile itself is forbidden, and we are required to remain under the rule of the nations of the world, as it explained in the book VAYOEL MOSHE. And the Holy One, blessed be He, has warned us that if we transgress this injunction, He will bring upon us (may we be spared) terrible punishment.

THIRD - Aside from arising from exile, all the deeds of the Zionists are diametrically opposed to the Faith and the Torah. Because the foundation of the Faith and Torah of Israel, is that the Torah was revealed from heaven, and there is reward for those who obey it and punishment for those who transgress it. The entire People of Israel are required to obey the Torah, and whoever doesn't want to, ceases to be part of the Congregation of Israel.

FOURTH - Aside from the fact that they themselves do not obey the Torah, they do everything they can to prevent anyone they get under their power, from fulfilling the commands of the Torah. They do this both with force and with trickery. Their claims to freedom of religion are lies. They fight will all of their strength to destroy the Faith of Israel.

4) THE ZIONISTS CLAIM THAT THEY ARE THE SAVERS OF ISRAEL, BUT THIS IS REFUTED BY TWELVE THINGS.

FIRST - If one contemplates the two thousand years of our exile, take any hundred years even the hardest, one will not find as much suffering, bloodshed, and catastrophes for the People of Israel as in the period of the Zionists. And it is known that most of the suffering of this century was caused by the Zionists as our Rabbis warned us would be the case.

SECOND - It is openly stated in the books written by the founders of Zionism that the means by which they planned to establish a state was by instigating anti-Semitism, and undermining the security of the jewish people in all the lands of the world, until they would be forced to flee to their state. And thus they did. They intentionally infuriated the German people and fanned the flames of Nazi hatred, and then helped the Nazis, with trickery and deceit, to take whole Jewish communities off to the concentration camps, and the Zionists themselves admit this. (See books Perfidy, Min Ha Meitsor, etc.). The Zionists continue to practice this strategy today, they incite anti-Semitism and then they present themselves as the "saviors". Here are two replies given by leaders of the Zionists during World War II, when they were asked for money to help ransom jewish people from the Nazis. Greenbaum said "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the jewish people in Poland." (G-d Forbid). Weitzman said, The most important part of the Jewish people is already in the land (of Israel) and those who are left, are unimportant (May we be spared).

THIRD - We see that most of the world Jewry, lives in security under good physical conditions, and have no desire to go live in the Zionist state. Whereas many people have left the Zionist state to live under better conditions in other lands.

FOURTH - The Zionists make a great deal of propaganda to induce people to immigrate too their state. If their state is so beneficial why do they have to make so much propaganda.

FIFTH - Because nobody wants the Zionists to "Save them". The only way they can get immigrants is by promising poor people material benefits. And even then very few people respond.

SIXTH - The Zionist state is always threatened by the dangers of war. Whereas the rest of world Jewry lives in peace and security. (Except in a few places where the Zionists have undermined their security and fanned the flames of hatred)

SEVENTH - The Zionist state could not continue to exist without economic support from jewish people living outside of the Zionist state.

EIGHTH - The Zionist state is on the verge of economic collapse, and their money is nearly worthless.

NINTH - The Zionist state persecutes all jewish people who are loyal to their faith.

TENTH - They start wars that endanger the Jewish People, for the sake of their own political interests.

ELEVENTH - According to the Torah the path of safety is following ways of peace not starting fights with other nations, as the Zionists do.

TWELFTH - Even if the Zionists could and would provide physical security it would be at the expense of our Faith and Our Torah. And the true People of Israel prefer death rather than life at such a cost. It is therefore clear that Zionism is not the savior of the people of Israel. Rather it is their greatest misfortune.

5. EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE OBSERVANT jewish people AND RABBIS, WHO APPROVE OF THE ZIONISTS, THIS IS NOT THE OPINION OF THE TORAH.

- The people of Israel has existed for thousands of years.
- It has its own particular, essential, nature.
- The Torah is the source of its essential nature.
- Without Torah and faith there is no people of Israel.
- Whoever denies the Torah and the Faith is no longer part of the people of Israel.
- The purpose of the People of Israel in this world is Divine service.
- Their salvation is occupation in Divine Service.
- They make it look like all Jewry and their Rabbis are
Zionists, but this is false propaganda.
- The most important Rabbis and the majority of religious
Jewry are opposed to Zionism, but their voice is not heard because of Zionist control of American News media.
- The Zionists terrorize everyone who speaks out against
them.
- That part of the Jewish masses which is fooled by Zionist propaganda puts pressure on their Rabbis not to speak out.
- Between the terror and the pressure of the masses most of the Rabbis are prevented from speaking out.

6) WE BRING THREE TESTIMONIES OF THE TRUE OPINION OF THE TORAH.

1) In the past two thousand years of the dangers and sufferings of exile not once did any of the Sages of Israel suggest that we make a state to protect ourselves. And in every generation we had thousands of Sages well versed in the Torah.

2) We have thousands of legal work of Torah law that have been handed down to us by the Sages of all generations. Not once do we see a word suggesting the establishment of a state. What we do find is warnings against it.

3) The founders of Zionism where all atheists who denied the Torah. And all the Torah Sages of that time opposed them and opposed Zionism, saying that Zionism would lead only to destruction.

However the true People of Israel will never change their nature or give up their faith. They are the strongest of the strong. Because of their strength the Creator gives them. Zionism is a foreign growth in the body of the Jewish People. The end will be that it will rid itself of this foreign growth and remain pure. Zionism has overcome the Jewish people by force. With fraud and terror, but none of this will help them because the truth will always remain with the help of the Creator. Zionism will not replace the Jewish People. The Jewish People will remain strong in their faith and the Zionist state will cease to exist.

4) It is therefore, our demand that the State that calls itself ISRAEL should cease to exist. Since this won't be done, we demand that they cease to call themselves "Israel", because the entire being is in complete opposition to the true People of Israel. The true People of Israel deny them permission to call themselves by that Name. The Zionist leaders have no right to set themselves up as the representatives and spokesmen of the true People of ISRAEL.

5) Since we know they will not fulfill this demand either we feel that at least we cry out the truth. And the truth will always remain the truth. By no means or force can the truth be changed. Even if all the world would say that one and one are three, the truth will remain that one and one is two.

6) Let the truth be declared. The use of the Name "ISRAEL" by that state is a complete falsification. The people of Israel have nothing to do with the state. Zionism and its state have no share and no part in the true ISRAEL.

[link to www.jewsnotzionists.org]

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Do the real Swiss a favor and ask all your people who have invaded and fucked things up over there to quit it. mmmk? thanks.
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WHY IS WORLD JEWRY OPPOSED TO THE ZIONIST STATE

1) WHAT IS "THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL" ?

-The people of Israel have existed for thousands of years.
-It has its own particular, essential, nature.
-The Torah is the source of its essential nature.
-Without Torah and faith there is no people of Israel.
-Whoever denies the Torah and the Faith is no longer part of the people of Israel.
-The purpose of the People of Israel in this world is Divine service.
-Their salvation is occupation in Divine Service.

2) WHAT IS ZIONISM ?

-Zionism is a new thing.
-It has only existed for a century.
-Zionism redefines the true essential nature of the people of Israel, and substitutes for it a completely contradictory and opposite character.
- a materialistic worldly nation.
-Their misfortune is lack of what other nations have. i.e. a state and army.
-Their salvation is possession of a state and army etc.
- This is clearly speed out in the circles of Zionist though, and among the leaders of the Zionist state, That through changing the nature and character of the people of Israel and by changing their way of thinking they can set before the People of Israel "their salvation." -- a state and an army.

3) THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL OPPOSE THIS FOR 4 REASONS

FIRST - Because this is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the people of Israel, as it explained above. Because the only time that the people of Israel where permitted to have a state were two thousand years ago when the Glory of the Creator was upon us. And likewise in the future when the Glory of the Creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him. Then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service.

However, a wordily state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substituted another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation." And the means of achieving this "salvation" is also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize land and army.

However, the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. And this is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather, it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.

SECOND - Because of all of this and other reasons Torah forbids us to end the exile and establish a state and army until the Holy One, blessed be He, in His Glory and Essence redeems us. This is forbidden even if the state is conducted according to the law of the Torah. Because arising from the exile itself is forbidden, and we are required to remain under the rule of the nations of the world, as it explained in the book VAYOEL MOSHE. And the Holy One, blessed be He, has warned us that if we transgress this injunction, He will bring upon us (may we be spared) terrible punishment.

THIRD - Aside from arising from exile, all the deeds of the Zionists are diametrically opposed to the Faith and the Torah. Because the foundation of the Faith and Torah of Israel, is that the Torah was revealed from heaven, and there is reward for those who obey it and punishment for those who transgress it. The entire People of Israel are required to obey the Torah, and whoever doesn't want to, ceases to be part of the Congregation of Israel.

FOURTH - Aside from the fact that they themselves do not obey the Torah, they do everything they can to prevent anyone they get under their power, from fulfilling the commands of the Torah. They do this both with force and with trickery. Their claims to freedom of religion are lies. They fight will all of their strength to destroy the Faith of Israel.

4) THE ZIONISTS CLAIM THAT THEY ARE THE SAVERS OF ISRAEL, BUT THIS IS REFUTED BY TWELVE THINGS.

FIRST - If one contemplates the two thousand years of our exile, take any hundred years even the hardest, one will not find as much suffering, bloodshed, and catastrophes for the People of Israel as in the period of the Zionists. And it is known that most of the suffering of this century was caused by the Zionists as our Rabbis warned us would be the case.

SECOND - It is openly stated in the books written by the founders of Zionism that the means by which they planned to establish a state was by instigating anti-Semitism, and undermining the security of the jewish people in all the lands of the world, until they would be forced to flee to their state. And thus they did. They intentionally infuriated the German people and fanned the flames of Nazi hatred, and then helped the Nazis, with trickery and deceit, to take whole Jewish communities off to the concentration camps, and the Zionists themselves admit this. (See books Perfidy, Min Ha Meitsor, etc.). The Zionists continue to practice this strategy today, they incite anti-Semitism and then they present themselves as the "saviors". Here are two replies given by leaders of the Zionists during World War II, when they were asked for money to help ransom jewish people from the Nazis. Greenbaum said "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the jewish people in Poland." (G-d Forbid). Weitzman said, The most important part of the Jewish people is already in the land (of Israel) and those who are left, are unimportant (May we be spared).

THIRD - We see that most of the world Jewry, lives in security under good physical conditions, and have no desire to go live in the Zionist state. Whereas many people have left the Zionist state to live under better conditions in other lands.

FOURTH - The Zionists make a great deal of propaganda to induce people to immigrate too their state. If their state is so beneficial why do they have to make so much propaganda.

FIFTH - Because nobody wants the Zionists to "Save them". The only way they can get immigrants is by promising poor people material benefits. And even then very few people respond.

SIXTH - The Zionist state is always threatened by the dangers of war. Whereas the rest of world Jewry lives in peace and security. (Except in a few places where the Zionists have undermined their security and fanned the flames of hatred)

SEVENTH - The Zionist state could not continue to exist without economic support from jewish people living outside of the Zionist state.

EIGHTH - The Zionist state is on the verge of economic collapse, and their money is nearly worthless.

NINTH - The Zionist state persecutes all jewish people who are loyal to their faith.

TENTH - They start wars that endanger the Jewish People, for the sake of their own political interests.

ELEVENTH - According to the Torah the path of safety is following ways of peace not starting fights with other nations, as the Zionists do.

TWELFTH - Even if the Zionists could and would provide physical security it would be at the expense of our Faith and Our Torah. And the true People of Israel prefer death rather than life at such a cost. It is therefore clear that Zionism is not the savior of the people of Israel. Rather it is their greatest misfortune.

5. EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE OBSERVANT jewish people AND RABBIS, WHO APPROVE OF THE ZIONISTS, THIS IS NOT THE OPINION OF THE TORAH.

- The people of Israel has existed for thousands of years.
- It has its own particular, essential, nature.
- The Torah is the source of its essential nature.
- Without Torah and faith there is no people of Israel.
- Whoever denies the Torah and the Faith is no longer part of the people of Israel.
- The purpose of the People of Israel in this world is Divine service.
- Their salvation is occupation in Divine Service.
- They make it look like all Jewry and their Rabbis are
Zionists, but this is false propaganda.
- The most important Rabbis and the majority of religious
Jewry are opposed to Zionism, but their voice is not heard because of Zionist control of American News media.
- The Zionists terrorize everyone who speaks out against
them.
- That part of the Jewish masses which is fooled by Zionist propaganda puts pressure on their Rabbis not to speak out.
- Between the terror and the pressure of the masses most of the Rabbis are prevented from speaking out.

6) WE BRING THREE TESTIMONIES OF THE TRUE OPINION OF THE TORAH.

1) In the past two thousand years of the dangers and sufferings of exile not once did any of the Sages of Israel suggest that we make a state to protect ourselves. And in every generation we had thousands of Sages well versed in the Torah.

2) We have thousands of legal work of Torah law that have been handed down to us by the Sages of all generations. Not once do we see a word suggesting the establishment of a state. What we do find is warnings against it.

3) The founders of Zionism where all atheists who denied the Torah. And all the Torah Sages of that time opposed them and opposed Zionism, saying that Zionism would lead only to destruction.

However the true People of Israel will never change their nature or give up their faith. They are the strongest of the strong. Because of their strength the Creator gives them. Zionism is a foreign growth in the body of the Jewish People. The end will be that it will rid itself of this foreign growth and remain pure. Zionism has overcome the Jewish people by force. With fraud and terror, but none of this will help them because the truth will always remain with the help of the Creator. Zionism will not replace the Jewish People. The Jewish People will remain strong in their faith and the Zionist state will cease to exist.

4) It is therefore, our demand that the State that calls itself ISRAEL should cease to exist. Since this won't be done, we demand that they cease to call themselves "Israel", because the entire being is in complete opposition to the true People of Israel. The true People of Israel deny them permission to call themselves by that Name. The Zionist leaders have no right to set themselves up as the representatives and spokesmen of the true People of ISRAEL.

5) Since we know they will not fulfill this demand either we feel that at least we cry out the truth. And the truth will always remain the truth. By no means or force can the truth be changed. Even if all the world would say that one and one are three, the truth will remain that one and one is two.

6) Let the truth be declared. The use of the Name "ISRAEL" by that state is a complete falsification. The people of Israel have nothing to do with the state. Zionism and its state have no share and no part in the true ISRAEL.

[link to www.jewsnotzionists.org]

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Do the real Swiss a favor and ask all your people who have invaded and fucked things up over there to quit it. mmmk? thanks.
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Oh yeah, forgot..

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because they hate us, i mean me, i mean arab
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What's there to like....honestly..
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you begin a relationship with God, he will show you.
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Here's to that, Brother.

Thou shall not kill/murder.

Thou shall not steal.

Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor

Thou shall not covet‡ your neighbor's wife (or anything that belongs to your neighbor).


Here's looking forward to the day you and your bros get to explain yourselves to to your God.
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the whole "kosher" food thing is a scam in itself. you have to pay so much per year PLUS pay another fee whenever the rabbi randomly shows up to inspect the processing plant.
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indoorx Are you seriously suggesting that the Rabbi should announce beforehand when he wants to inspect the plant.
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ZIONISTS DO NOT REPRESENT JEWS

From the inception of the Zionist State and particularly in recent times, the impression has been created in the World that there is some connection between the State, which falsely calls itself Israel, and the Jewish people as a whole. Therefore, we who continue to uphold the never-changing tradition of the Jewish people find it proper to again clarify the following points:

A Jew is one who remains faithful to the laws of the Jewish religion, that is, the Holy Torah and its commandments.

The Jewish people became a people before they had their own land, and continued to exist as a people also after they went Into exile, because our very people hood is based exclusively on the Torah.

The Holy Land was given to the Jewish people on the condition that they observe the Torah and its commandments. When they failed to do this, their sovereignty over the land was taken from them, and they went into exile. From that time, we are prohibited by the Torah with a very grave prohibition to establish a Jewish independent sovereignty in the Holy Land or anywhere throughout the world. Rather, we are obligated to be loyal to the nations under whose protection we dwell.

This situation has existed for close to 2000 years when the Jewish people were dispersed throughout all corners of the world. During this time, the Jews always remained faithful to the country in which they lived.

The Jewish people are grateful to all those merciful nations which have allowed them to observe Torah and the commandments undisturbed.
From ancient times, the relations between the Jewish and Islamic peoples have always been those of peace and brotherhood, and friendship always reigned between them. The proof of this is the fact that for centuries, in all the Arab lands, hundreds of thousands of Jews lived in honor and amidst mutual esteem.
Jews throughout all generations yearned to grace the sacred soil of the Holy Land and to live there. However, their sole purpose was to fulfill the commandments dependent upon the land and to absorb Its holiness. Never, G-d forbid, did they have any nationalist or sovereign intent whatsoever which, as mentioned above, is forbidden to us. Indeed, also here in the Holy Land, our fathers lived in neighborly harmony with the Palestinian residents of the land, helping one another, to mutual benefit.

Until about two hundred years ago, the vast majority of Jews observed the Torah and the commandments in entirety. Jewry's leaders were Torah scholars, who directed the people according to the Torah. They were loyal citizens in the host nations where they dwelled and to the local laws. They prayed for the welfare of their respective governments. To our sorrow, at that time a small number of Jews slowly left their observance of Torah and commandments. Together with this, they began to deride the spiritual leadership of their people. This assimilation was the basis upon which, one hundred years ago, the ideology of Zionism was born. Its founders were assimilated Jews who had abandoned the Torah.

Immediately at the founding of the Zionist movement, masses of Jews under the leadership of their Rabbis, launched a heavy battle against Zionism. Their attack was directed not only at the non-religious Zionist idea, but rather, primarily at its opposition to the Torah-ordained path that Jewry must follow while in exile. As such, the Zionists incited the nations of the world, demanding political sovereignty over the Holy Land while remaining oblivious to the resentment this would arouse In the Palestinian Arabs, the land's veteran inhabitants. As stated, the leaders of Orthodox Jewry vehemently opposed the movement with all force.
The Zionists refused to heed the voice of the Rabbis and Torah authority. They persisted in their ways until they succeeded in influencing the British government to issue the Balfour Declaration concerning the "establishment of a national home for the Jews in the land of Israel." To our great sorrow, from that point on began the deterioration of the good relations between the Jews and the Arab inhabitants of the land. This occurred because the Arab people understood that the Zionists wished to seize ruler ship from them. In addition, the Arab people had suspicions as if the Jewish people wished to seize control of the Temple Mount and other similar sites. Matters worsened as a result.

The Jewish leadership of that time saw it as proper to clarify before the Arab leaders that the Torah-true Jews had no desire whatsoever for sovereignty, and that our desire was to continue to live in peace with the Arabs, as we had always done. The leader of the G-d-fearing Jewish community at that time, Rabbi Yoseph Chaim Zonnenfeld. of blessed memory, organized a delegation in July of 24' which visited King Hussein and his sons Faisal the King of Iraq and the Amir Abdullah In order to lucidly present to them the position of the G-d-fearing Jewish community. The Jewish delegation clarified unequivocally that Torah Jewry is totally opposed to the Zionist sovereignty over the Holy Land. It Is worth noting that the delegation was received with great honor. They were even assured that all Arab lands were completely open to Jews, however, on the condition that the Jews do not demand political rights. This condition also applied to the Holy Land. One of the members of the Jewish delegation, Professor Yisroel Yaakov De Haan, paid with his life for his participation.

Torah Jewry protests at every opportunity against the Zionist rule over the Holy Land, and the Zionist rebellion against the neighboring nations. Torah Jewry has condemned the Zionist oppression of the Palestinians, the land's veteran inhabitants who have been driven from their homes and properties. The Zionists' barbaric and violent deeds are absolutely antithetical to the essence of the Jewish people.

Torah Jewry has never ever recognized the Zionist state. Since the Zionists succeeding in establishing their state, Torah Jewry has continuously announced to the world that the Zionists do not represent the Jewish people, and that the name "Israel" that they use is a forgery. For as has been stated above, it is forbidden to us from the Torah to rebel against the nations, and all sovereignty by us is prohibited. Rather, we await the days when all the world will recognize the sovereignty of the Creator, and the words of the prophet Isaiah will yet be fulfilled: "And they will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. No nation will lift its sword against any other, nor will they learn warfare anymore."

Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews have refrained to this day from taking any funds from the Zionist regime, whether for their educational institutions, synagogues or other benefits. Obviously, they do not participate in the Zionist elections, whether for the "Knesset" or for the municipality. We do not serve in their army, and we even avoid speaking in the Hebrew language that the Zionists Invented. (incidentally, this is not the holy and true Hebrew language in which the Bible is written.) All this is done because Torah Jewry does not recognize the Zionist regime, which Is against the Torah and against humanity.

Lately, the question has once again arisen concerning the Temple Mount and sovereignty over it. Thus, we wish to state unequivocally: a) In our time, it is a severe Torah prohibition for any Jew to set foot on any part of the Temple Mount area. b) The Jewish people have no claim whatsoever to sovereignty over this holy site, which is under Islamic authority, nor over any other holy site. Rabbi Zonenfeld was once asked, "is it true, that the Rabbi prefers an non-Jewish government over all of the Holy Land"? Rabbi Zonenfeld replied, "if King Hussein would rule over Palestine, the holiness of the Holy Land would not be diminished to even to an Iota degree". We yearningly await G-d's great day, when He will return His Divine Presence to Zion, restoring the holy city to its former holiness and glory as in days of old, to be a light to the peoples and the nations.

The Zionists have no right of any sovereignty over even one inch of the Holy Land. They do not represent the Jewish people in any way whatsoever. They have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people. Therefore, their words, declarations and actions are not in any way representative of the Jewish people. This is because the Zionists' seizing of power over the Holy Land is antithetical to Jewish law, and also because the Zionists do not behave like Jews at all rather, they desecrate the sanctity of the land.

We once again clarify that it is our desire to live in peace with our Arab and Palestinian neighbors, as we did before the Zionist revolution, and as Jews all over the world till today live, accepting the yoke of rulership of their host nation, with complete loyalty. Our sole desire is to serve our G-d and to fulfill His commandments with a perfect heart and to delight in the radiance of the sanctity of the Land.

[link to www.jewsagainstzionism.com]

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I hate them because they invented 3 crazy ass religions that cause so much of the world problems today and devides us all. They travel too much and cant stay in one spot for a long time. They abandon friends during times of war and think they are smarter than everyone else. That being said there are jews today that dont believe in any crazy religion and are actually outstanding people and for those I can't send blame or hate.
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"The easiest way for a crime network to stay in power is to deploy its own members as the investigators of its own crimes, and on each occasion set up either low-level puppets or completely innocent victims to take the fall.



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Yes!

And this is what the government does.

They control the opposition groups, so they're easier to monitor and arrest.

Much like in protests they will have plainclothes police officers start the riot, then whatever civilians partake end up being prosecuted.
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the whole "kosher" food thing is a scam in itself. you have to pay so much per year PLUS pay another fee whenever the rabbi randomly shows up to inspect the processing plant.
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:indoorx: Are you seriously suggesting that the Rabbi should announce beforehand when he wants to inspect the plant.
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No, I'm saying he shouldn't be paid every time he shows up.
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Judaism and its opposition to Zionism

What is Judaism and who are the Jews?
Judaism is a system of belief and practices derived from the Torah, and the Jews are the people who hold those beliefs and follow those practices. Judaism sees all of history as the Almighty’s plan. The history of the Jewish people has a specific format outlined in the words of the Torah which includes the Old Testament, the words of the prophets, the Talmud etc. There was a time when Jews had a land, a monarchy and a Temple in Jerusalem. When the Temple was destroyed and Jerusalem was conquered by the Romans almost two thousand years ago, the Jewish exile began. Jews are still waiting for that exile to end with the messianic era, when all of mankind will unite in the service of the Almighty.

According to Jewish belief, the Jews did not lose the Temple and Jerusalem because of their own military weakness. Rather, it was the Almighty’s will that the Jewish people be exiled and spread around the world as an atonement for their sins, and in order to spread the Almighty’s message to all the nations of the world. Therefore, it is clear that Jewish military force cannot end the exile; the exile will end only when the Almighty sees fit to end it and send His redeemer. It is for this Divine redemption that the Jewish people have always waited – not for any sort of conquest of the Holy Land, or opportunity to return to it.

The Jewish view of exile and redemption is legally expressed in the famous Talmudic passage of the Three Oaths, under which the Jews are bound during their exilic existence. The Almighty put the Jews under oath: 1. not to return en-mass to the Holy Land, 2. not to rebel against the nations of the world, 3.not to attempt to end the exile with their own actions.

During exile, Jews were commanded by the prophet Jeremiah (29:7), "Seek the peace of the city where I have exiled you, and pray to the Almighty on its behalf, for with its peace you will have peace." Jews were to be loyal to their governments and not entertain any thoughts of rebellion.

A large part of the Jewish people spent centuries of
their exile living under Muslim governments of North Africa and the Middle East, including Palestine. The relations between the Jews and Muslims in these countries were historically very good. The Jews were loyal citizens, and their religion, culture and scholarly tradition flourished.

What is Zion and what is Zionism?
Zion is a name used in the Torah for Jerusalem. Zionism is the name adopted by a movement of non- religious Jews founded in the 1890s, whose goal was to transform the meaning of a Jew and to revolutionize the course of Jewish history. Their goal was to transform the meaning of Judaism from spirituality, religion and holiness, into base materialism, nationalism and altogether removing the Almighty from the equation. They proposed a political and military solution to what they saw as the “problem of exile.” They advocated mass Jewish immigration to Palestine, without regard to the rights of Palestine’s non-Jewish population. They armed themselves and learned military tactics in preparation for a war of conquest. And they claimed that adherence to their movement alone was the criterion for being a Jew – it did not matter whether a person believed in the Almighty and His Torah.

In 1948, the Zionists achieved their goal and founded a state in Palestine. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were expelled or frightened away from their homes and not allowed to return. Using their absorption system for new immigrants and their educational system for children, the Zionists brainwashed millions of Jews into believing in their new order. Even in the religious community Zionism made inroads, convincing some Jews that the Jewish exile could be ended by military force. Other methods utilized by the Zionists, where fear mongering and creating panic, that the Arabs hate Jews like the Nazis and “will drive all the Jews into the sea”, basically a second holocaust. Thank the Almighty, a significant segment of Jews haven’t fallen prey to Zionism and they continue to keep the laws of the Torah and stand in total opposition to Zionism and the State of “Israel”.

To this day, the Zionists continue to occupy Palestine. Their belligerent policies have put a strain on Jewish- gentile relations throughout the world. Zionism is today the biggest catalyst of exacerbating anti Semitism universally.

What was the religious Jewish reaction to Zionism?
From the very beginning, almost all Orthodox Jewish Rabbis and their followers condemned the Zionist movement sharply. This was understandable, as the movement came to uproot and overturn everything that Judaism stood for. The Zionists tried to present themselves as a harmless movement to bring Jews to a better life in the Holy Land, but the Rabbis correctly saw Zionism as a false messianic movement, an anti-Torah movement, and a movement that would jeopardize Jewish-gentile relations.

An Orthodox Jewish community had existed in Palestine for centuries, and the Rabbis of that community were especially vehement in their denunciation of Zionism. Those Jews valued the relationship they had built with the Palestinian Arabs, and foresaw that Zionism would bring that friendship to an end. They were also horrified at the desecration of the Holy Land that took place as the irreligious Zionists began to arrive in droves.

The Rabbis of various countries met and discussed what needed to be done. In Russia, Poland and Germany, an organization called Agudath Israel was founded to stop the spread of Zionism. In Austria and Hungary, the Orthodox Rabbis all forbade their followers to join the Zionist movement. In Palestine, the Eidah Chareidis of Jerusalem was founded as an alternative to the Zionist National Council, and an independent rabbinate was founded to oppose the Zionist rabbinate.

However, in the wake of the destruction of European Jewry in the Second World War, the Zionists saw their opportunity to pull religious Jews into their movement. The majority of Orthodox rabbis and communities had been wiped out, and the survivors were left without guidance, feeling defenseless and vulnerable. The Zionists’ promises to found a state and “defend the Jewish people” began to appeal to some of them.

Furthermore, the Zionists used brutal means to silence their opposition within the Jewish people. In 1924 they assassinated Dr. Yaakov Yisroel DeHaan, speaker and diplomat of the Eidah Chareidis of Jerusalem. They used force to quell peaceful Jewish demonstrations, and during one demonstration they murdered amongst others Rabbi Pinchas Segelov. In 1948, they opened fire on Rabbis of the Old City of Jerusalem who came out to make peace with the Jordanian troops. Rabbi Amram Blau (1900- 1974), a prominent anti-Zionist leader in Jerusalem, was shot at and imprisoned many times in the course of his struggles.

Yet there remained many religious Jewish communities, organizations and academies of Torah study around the world in which the original Jewish faith continued to be taught and Zionism denounced. Anti-Zionist Jewry has held countless demonstrations in the United States, Palestine and other countries, protesting against the Zionist regime and its decrees. Their brave leaders ignore the Zionists’ threats and do not allow their voice to be silenced up until the present day.

Even broader in base are the large communities of Jews, both in the Zionist State and elsewhere, who do not celebrate the Zionist Independence Day, do not wave the Zionist flag and do not serve in the Zionist army.

What is Neturei Karta?
Jewish religious opposition to Zionism began immediately at the birth of Zionism. Many of the Jews who where most vociferous against Zionism were referred to, since 1938, as Neturei Karta. – At that time Neturei Karta was a wing of the Eidah Chareidis, the independent anti- Zionist community of Jerusalem. The name is Aramaic for “the Guardians of the City.” Their goal was to oppose the founding of a Zionist state and to return to peaceful coexistence with the Palestinians in Palestine.

Since 1948, the goals of Neturei Karta have been threefold: 1) To protest in various ways against the existence of a Jewish state in any form; 2) to protest against Zionist cruelty toward the Palestinians and all the countless other crimes committed against the Palestinian people; 3) to protest against the multitude of Zionist anti- Jewish and anti-religious decrees.

Over the years, Neturei Karta has publicized its message through regular newspaper ads, appearances on television, radio, internet, public appearances and demonstrations, etc. More recently they have established a website. For the Jewish world, they have published numerous books and pamphlets in English, Hebrew and Yiddish, as well as held lectures in major Jewish communities.

Neturei Karta organizes its own demonstrations, and it also attends larger pro-Palestinian demonstrations organized by others. Their high-profile participation alongside pro-Palestinian activists has been covered extensively both in the Western and Middle Eastern media.

Neturei Karta speakers are available to speak at universities and conferences around the world, as well as for radio and television interviews. For more details contact.

[link to www.nkusa.org]

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Because they ALWAYS play the victim of hatred to get an advantage in society yet they are the most bigoted people on the planet.

Everybody doesn't hate them; but most people don't like them because a gentile can't even barely say the word Jew without them screaming about the holocaust. Do Cambodians do this?

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