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Why do you guys hate Jews?

 
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What is a jew? A follower of Judaism or an imposter of the real Israelite?
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Hasbari tactic..derail a thread by deceivingly taking sides and arguing back and forth in a petty name-calling manner. The tactic is designed to use up pages..to prevent evidence from being presented in a brief easily understood manner..it is designed to make the readers leave in threads where too much truth is being made known.

..take note of who it is that doing this in this thread!

(another tactic is to cut and paste a large amount of propaganda..using up pages to cause people to leave..)

Gild Atzmon and Nathaniel Kapner are good sources for truth..both Jews..neither hate themselves..and both can be referenced from the Rense website..which is also an excellent source for discussions like this.
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Re: Why do you guys hate Jews?
Zionist JEWS are as bad as they get.
They run thjs country and have for over 100 years.

They are not real jews but they HIDE in the religion and that has worked real well for them.

Wait for the TRUTH is coming to all of us.
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In my experience, Muslim women are better in bed than Jewish women.
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250 C.E. Canhage Expulsion
224 C.E. Italy Forced Conversion
325 C.E. Jerusalem Expulsion
351 C.E Persia Book Burning
357 C.E. Italy Property Confiscation
379 C.E. Milan Synagogue Burning
415 C.E. Alexandria Expulsion
418 C.E. Minorca Forced Conversion
469 C.E. Ipahan Holocaust
489 C.E. Antioch Synagogue Burning
506 C.E. Daphne Synagogue Burning
519 C.E. Ravenna Synagogue Burning
554 C.E. Diocese of Clement (France) Expulsion
561 C.E. Diocese of Uzes (France) Expulsion
582 C.E Merovingia Forced Conversion
612 C.E. Visigoth Spain Expulsion
628 C.E. Byzantium Forced Conversion
629 C.E. Merovingia Forced Conversion
633 C.E. Toledo Forced Conversion
638 C.E. Toledo Stake Burnings
642 C.E. Visigothic Empire Expulsion
653 C.E. Toledo Expulsion
681 C.E. Spain Forced Conversion
693 C.E. Toledo Jews Enslaved
722 C.E. Byzantium Judaism Outlawed
855 C.E. Italy Expulsion
876 C.E. Sens Expulsion
897 C.E. Narbonne Land Confiscation
945 C.E. Venice Ban on Sea Travel
1009 C.E. Orleans Massacre
1012 C.E. Rouen, Limoges & Rome Massacre
1012 C.E. Mayence Expulsion
1021 C.E. Rome Jews Burned Alive
1063 C.E. Spain Massacre
1095 C.E. Lorraine Massacre
1096 C.E. Northern France & Germany 1/3 of Jewish Population Massacred
1096 C.E. Hungary Massacre
1096 C.E. Ralisbon Massacre
1099 C.E. Jerusalem Jews Burned Alive
1100 C.E. Kiev Pogrom
1140 C.E. Germany Massacres
1146 C.E. Rhine Valley Massacre
1147 C.E. Wurzburg Massacre
1147 C.E. Belitz (Germany) Jews Burned Alive
1147 C.E. Carenton, Ramenu & Sully (France) Massacres
1171 C.E. Blois Stake Burnings
1181 C.E. France Expulsion
1181 C.E. England Property Confiscation
1188 C.E. London & York Mob Attacks
1190 C.E. Norfolk Jews Burned Alive
1191 C.E. Bray (France) Jews Burned Alive
1195 C.E. France Property Confiscation
1209 C.E. Beziers Massacre
1212 C.E. Spain Rioting and blood bath against the Jews of Toledo.
1215 C.E. Rome Lateran Council of Rome decrees that Jews must wear the "badge of shame" in all Christian countries. Jews are denied all public sector employment, and are burdened with extra taxes.
1215 C.E. Toulouse (France) Mass Arrests
1218 C.E. England Jews Forced to Wear Badges
1231 C.E. Rome Inquisition Established
1236 C.E. France Forced Conversion/Massacre
1239 C.E. London Massacre & Property Confiscation
1240 C.E. Austria Property confiscation. Jews either imprisoned, converted, expelled, or burned.
1240 C.E. France Talmud Confiscated
1240 C.E. England Book Burning
1240 C.E. Spain Forced Conversion
1242 C.E. Paris Talmud Burned
1244 C.E. Oxford Mob Attacks
1255 C.E. England Blood libel in Lincoln results in the burning / torture of many Jews & public hangings.
1261 C.E. Canterbury Mob Attacks
1262 C.E. London Mob Attacks
1264 C.E. London Mob Attacks
1264 C.E. Germany Council of Vienna declares that all Jews must wear a "pointed dunce cap." Thousands murdered.
1267 C.E. Vienna Jews Forced to Wear Horned Hats
1270 C.E. Weissenberg, Magdeburg, Arnstadt, Coblenz, Singzig, and Erfurt Jews Burned Alive
1270 C.E. England The libel of the "counterfeit coins" - all Jewish men, women and children in England imprisoned. Hundreds are hung.
1276 C.E. Bavaria Expulsion
1278 C.E. Genoa (Spain) Mob Attacks
1279 C.E. Hungary & Poland The Council of Offon denies Jews the right to all civic positions. The Jews of Hungary & Poland are forced to wear the "red badge of shame."
1283 C.E. Mayence & Bacharach Mob Attacks
1285 C.E. Munich Jews Burned Alive
1290 C.E. England King Edward I issues an edict banishing all Jews from England. Many drowned.
1291 C.E. France The Jewish refugees from England are promptly expelled from France.
1292 C.E. Italy Forced conversions & expulsion of the Italian Jewish community.
1298 C.E. Germany The libel of the "Desecrated Host" is perpetrated against the Jews of Germany. Approximately 150 Jewish communities undergo forced conversion.
1298 C.E. Franconia, Bavaria & Austria Reindfel's Decree is propagated against the Jews of Franconia and Bavarai. Riots against these Jewish communities, as well as those in Austria, result in the massacre of 100,000 Jews over a six-month period.
1306 C.E. France Expulsion
1308 C.E. Strasbourg Jews Burned Alive
1320 C.E. Toulouse & Perpigon 120 Communities Massacred & Talmud Burned
1321 C.E. Teruel Public Executions
1328 C.E. Estella 5,000 Jews Slaughtered
1348 C.E. France & Spain Jews Burned Alive
1348 C.E. Switzerland Expulsion
1349 C.E. Worms, Strasbourg, Oppenheim, Mayence, Erfurt, Bavaria & Swabia Jews Burned Alive
1349 C.E. Heilbronn (Germany) Expulsion
1349 C.E. Hungary Expulsion
1354 C.E. Castile (Spain) 12,000 Jews Slaughtered
1368 C.E. Toledo 8,000 Jews Slaughtered
1370 C.E. Majorca., Penignon & Barcelona Mob Attack
1377 C.E. Huesca (Spain) Jews Burned Alive
1380 C.E. Paris Mob Attack
1384 C.E. Nordlingen Mass Murder
1388 C.E. Strasbourg Expulsion
1389 C.E. Prague Mass Slaughter & Book Burning
1391 C.E. Castille, Toledo, Madrid, Seville, Cordova, Cuenca & Barcelona Forced Conversions & Mass Murder
1394 C.E. Germany Expulsion
1394 C.E. France Expulsion
1399 C.E. Posen (Poland) Jews Burned Alive
1400 C.E. Prague Stake Burnings
1407 C.E. Cracow Mob Attack
1415 C.E. Rome Talmud Confiscated
1422 C.E. Austria Jews Burned Alive
1422 C.E. Austria Expulsion
1424 C.E. Fribourg & Zurich Expulsion
1426 C.E. Cologne Expulsion
1431 C.E. Southern Germany Jews Burned Alive
1432 C.E. Savory Expulsion
1438 C.E. Mainz Expulsion
1439 C.E. Augsburg Expulsion
1449 C.E. Toledo Public Torture &. Burnings
1456 C.E. Bavaria Expulsion
1453 C.E. Franconia Expulsion
1453 C.E. Breslau Expulsion
1454 C.E. Wurzburg Expulsion
1463 C.E. Cracow Mob Attack
1473 C.E. Andalusia Mob Attack
1480 C.E. Venice Jews Burned Alive
1481 C.E. Seville Stake Burnings
1484 C.E. Cuidad Real, Guadalupe, Saragossa & Teruel Jews Burned Alive
1485 C.E. Vincenza (Italy) Expulsion
1486 C.E. Toledo Jews Burned Alive
1488 C.E. Toledo Stake Burnings
1490 C.E. Toledo Public Executions
1491 C.E. Astorga Public Torture & Execution
1492 C.E. Spain Expulsion
1495 C.E. Lithuania Expulsion
1497 C.E. Portugal Expulsion
1499 C.E. Germany Expulsion
1506 C.E. Lisbon Mob Attack
1510 C.E. Berlin Public Torture & Execution
1514 C.E. Strasbourg Expulsion
1519 C.E. Regensburg Expulsion
1539 C.E. Cracow & Portugal Stake Burnings
1540 C.E. Naples Expulsion
1542 C.E. Bohemia Expulsion
1550 C.E. Genoa Expulsion
1551 C.E. Bavaria Expulsion
1555 C.E. Pesaro Expulsion
1556 C.E. Sokhachev (Poland) Public Torture & Execution
1559 C.E. Austria Expulsion
1561 C.E. Prague Expulsion
1567 C.E. Wurzburg Expulsion
1569 C.E. Papal States Expulsion
1571 C.E. Brandenburg Expulsion
1582 C.E. Netherlands Expulsion
1593 C.E. Brunswick Expulsion
1597 C.E. Cremona, Pavia & Lodi Expulsion
1614 C.E. Frankfort Expulsion
1615 C.E. Worms Expulsion
1619 C.E. Kiev Expulsion
1635 C.E. Vilna Mob Attack
1637 C.E. Cracow Public Torture & Execution
1647 C.E. Lisbon Jews Burned Alive
1648 C.E. Poland 1/3 of Jewry Slaughtered
1649 C.E. Ukraine Expulsion
1649 C.E. Hamburg Expulsion
1652 C.E. Lisbon Stake Burnings
1654 C.E. Little Russia Expulsion
1656 C.E. Lithuania Expulsion
1660 C.E. Seville Jews Burned Alive
1663 C.E Cracow Public Torture &. Execution
1664 C.E. Lemberg Mob Attack
1669 C.E. Oran (North Africa) Expulsion
1670 C.E. Vienna Expulsion
1671 C.E. Minsk Mob Attacks
1681 C.E. Vilna Mob Attacks
1682 C.E. Cracow Mob Attacks
1687 C.E. Posen Mob Attacks
1712 C.E. Sandomir Expulsion
1727 C.E. Russia Expulsion
1738 C.E. Wurtemburg Expulsion
1740 C.E. Liule Russia Expulsion
1744 C.E Bohemia Expulsion
1744 C.E. Livonia Expulsion
1745 C.E. Moravia Expulsion
1753 C.E. Kovad (Lithuania) Expulsion
1757 C.E. Kamenetz Talmud Burning
1761 C.E. Bordeaux Expulsion
1768 C.E. Kiev 3,000 Jews Slaughtered
1772 C.E. Russia Expulsion
1775 C.E. Warsaw Expulsion
1789 C.E. Alsace Expulsion
1801 C.E. Bucharest Mob Attack
1804 C.E. Russian Villages Expulsion
1808 C.E. Russian Countryside Expulsion
1815 C.E. Lubeck & Bremen Expulsion
1820 C.E. Bremes Expulsion
1843 C.E. Austria & Prussia Expulsion
1850 C.E. New York City 500 People, Led by Police, Attacked & Wrecked Jewish Synagogue
1862 C.E. Area under General Grant's Jurisdiction in the United States Expulsion
1866 C.E Galatz (Romania) Expulsion
1871 C.E. Odena Mob Attack
1887 C.E. Slovakia Mob Attacks
1897 C.E. Kantakuzenka (Russia) Mob Attacks
1898 C.E. Rennes (France) Mob Attack
1899 C.E. Nicholayev Mob Attack
1900 C.E. Konitz (Prussia) Mob Attack
1902 C.E. Poland Widespread Pogroms
1904 C.E. Manchuria, Kiev & Volhynia Widespread Pogroms
1905 C.E. Zhitomir (Yolhynia) Mob Attacks
1919 C.E Bavaria Expulsion
1915 C.E. Georgia (U.S.A.) Leo Frank Lynched
1919 C.E. Prague Wide Spread Pogroms
1920 C.E. Munich & Breslau Mob Attacks
1922 C.E. Boston, MA Lawrence Lowell, President of Harvard, calls for Quota Restrictions on Jewish Admission
1926 C.E. Uzbekistan Pogrom
1928 C.E. Hungary Widespread Anti-Semitic Riots on University Campuses
1929 C.E. Lemberg (Poland) Mob Attacks
1930 C.E. Berlin Mob Attack
1933 C.E. Bucharest Mob Attacks
1938-45 C.E. Europe Holocaust
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indoorx Are you seriously suggesting that the Rabbi should announce beforehand when he wants to inspect the plant.
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No, I'm saying he shouldn't be paid every time he shows up.
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9teen So you'd be happier if the Rabbi just sits in his office doing nothing then.
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No, I just didn't know so much of it was about money. I thought you got your plant certified then that's it, maybe a couple inspections that were covered by the fee. It shouldn't be an additional expense with no limits. Seems like it could be ripe for abuse.
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ivant And what about the arsehole running a food processing plant with problems that he dosn't want to pay to fix.
Unannounced visits keep people on their toes.
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Hasbari tactic..derail a thread by deceivingly taking sides and arguing back and forth in a petty name-calling manner. The tactic is designed to use up pages..to prevent evidence from being presented in a brief easily understood manner..it is designed to make the readers leave in threads where too much truth is being made known.

..take note of who it is that doing this in this thread!

(another tactic is to cut and paste a large amount of propaganda..using up pages to cause people to leave..)

Gild Atzmon and Nathaniel Kapner are good sources for truth..both Jews..neither hate themselves..and both can be referenced from the Rense website..which is also an excellent source for discussions like this.
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So , do you think the swiss guy is a shill?
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you obviously cant think very clearly. im sorry that the concept is beyond you. keep eating up the lies you are being fed. distraction has worked well on you. simple minds are easy to derail though...so its not a big surprise.
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More low-rent foppery that in effect says nothing.
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well you completely missed my point and you are a bigoted tool. there really isnt much else to say. i tried to explain that what hitler was saying is the lie, was actually the lie itself. why you cant understand that?..i dont know...maybe inbreeding?
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Right thinking individuals know that what Hitler said is NOT a lie -- it is the unvarnished truth.

So rather than delve into the overwhelming amount of documented evidence of continued and persistent Jewish subversion, manipulation, and outright fabrication through their control of the media to facilitate their vast Goy-herding operation, you devolve into claiming I "cannot understand" you because I am "inbred". Fucking classic.

"The more I argued with them the more I learned their dialectic. At first they calculated on the stupidity of their adversary. Then, when they could find no other way out, they played stupid themselves. ...Whenever you attacked one of the apostles, your hand closed around slimy matter which immediately separated and slipped through the fingers and the next moment reconstituted itself. If you struck such an annihilating blow that, observed by the audience, he had no choice but to agree with you, and thus you thought you had taken one step forward, the next day your amazement would be great. The Jew knew nothing at all about yesterday and repeated his same old twaddle as though nothing had happened; if you angrily challenged him on this, he could not remember a thing other than he had demonstrated the correctness of his assertions on the previous day."

Adolf Hitler
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it was the case of different religions brainwashing their followers not like each other. that is the big lie. we are all the same. you have all just been brainwashed over time to not like anyone who is 'different' from you.

wake up.
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you obviously cant think very clearly. im sorry that the concept is beyond you. keep eating up the lies you are being fed. distraction has worked well on you. simple minds are easy to derail though...so its not a big surprise.
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More low-rent foppery that in effect says nothing.
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well you completely missed my point and you are a bigoted tool. there really isnt much else to say. i tried to explain that what hitler was saying is the lie, was actually the lie itself. why you cant understand that?..i dont know...maybe inbreeding?
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Right thinking individuals know that what Hitler said is NOT a lie -- it is the unvarnished truth.

So rather than delve into the overwhelming amount of documented evidence of continued and persistent Jewish subversion, manipulation, and outright fabrication through their control of the media to facilitate their vast Goy-herding operation, you devolve into claiming I "cannot understand" you because I am "inbred". Fucking classic.

"The more I argued with them the more I learned their dialectic. At first they calculated on the stupidity of their adversary. Then, when they could find no other way out, they played stupid themselves. ...Whenever you attacked one of the apostles, your hand closed around slimy matter which immediately separated and slipped through the fingers and the next moment reconstituted itself. If you struck such an annihilating blow that, observed by the audience, he had no choice but to agree with you, and thus you thought you had taken one step forward, the next day your amazement would be great. The Jew knew nothing at all about yesterday and repeated his same old twaddle as though nothing had happened; if you angrily challenged him on this, he could not remember a thing other than he had demonstrated the correctness of his assertions on the previous day."

Adolf Hitler
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right thinking individuals know that hitler was an ultimately unsuccessful leader and poor tactician who made blunder after blunder effectively losing the war and driving his country into ruin. he is a clown. a joke. a trickster who took advantage of a group of people who were down on their luck and looking for an answer. they bought the lie and apparently you did too.
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and let me say, i grew up with a lot of jews. there are a lot of jews i dont like. just like any other group of people. i do have some very good jewish friends though. basically they all just value education, a good job, their family and they also look out for other jews. i see the same thing with mexicans i know, blacks, whites, asians, indians... every group does it. jews and asians/indians just seem to be the best at making money/creating things.
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again, take a look at how the people of israel live and then look at how the people in syria, libya, saudi arabia, iran, iraq, etc. live and then you tell me which one is more similar to the west.
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Saudi Arabia and Israel are allies, so I'm not sure why you're even including them in the discussion. I suppose you are counting on your target audience to be in the dark regarding the debt-for-oil arrangement that was agreed upon leading up to the First Zionist War [World War II] between the ZOG FDR administration and the House of Saud.

But delving further into the meat of your argument.. in what war are the people of Iraq, Syria, Iran, etc living their lives differently than I am?

They don't have to scramble in the morning to get their kids to school on time? They don't have to deal with overbearing bosses at work? They don't have ups and downs in their social lives?

Or do you mean they don't put up with homosexuals? Or do you mean [in the case of Iran and the Taliban] they put dents in the Zionist-controlled worldwide heroin trade? Or do you mean that they actually expect their women to carry themselves through life with dignity and modesty rather than training them from childhood to be uber sluts?
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Something else that was pointed out to me that I never realized..

How many movies or TV shows is it seemingly cool or acceptable to portray Christians in a negative light? What about Muslims? It is almost the norm or openly acceptable.

How many movies or TV shows bash Jews?

I can't think of any but there's got to be some right?

Then what if someone openly says they hate Christians or Muslims? Again it's no big deal. What if they say they hate Jews? Watch out!
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There used to be a show called Sienfeld that I couldn't bear to watch because of all the bizarre, obnoxious behaviour that it portrayed Jewish characters indulging in.

Sad.
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well, the british are well known for being clueless when it comes to humor(except ali g)
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We don't hate them, they hate us.

They hate everyone. It is borne of envy, fear and avarice. They are jealous, and especially fear the white man as he is the one who can crush them.

If someone hates me for no reason, I will GIVE that motherfucker a reason.
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and let me say, i grew up with a lot of jews. there are a lot of jews i dont like. just like any other group of people. i do have some very good jewish friends though. basically they all just value education, a good job, their family and they also look out for other jews. i see the same thing with mexicans i know, blacks, whites, asians, indians... every group does it. jews and asians/indians just seem to be the best at making money/creating things.
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I don't look out for other whites. And if I did people would call me a racist.
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Why do the joos hate us?
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Finally someone gets it.
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again, take a look at how the people of israel live and then look at how the people in syria, libya, saudi arabia, iran, iraq, etc. live and then you tell me which one is more similar to the west.
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Saudi Arabia and Israel are allies, so I'm not sure why you're even including them in the discussion. I suppose you are counting on your target audience to be in the dark regarding the debt-for-oil arrangement that was agreed upon leading up to the First Zionist War [World War II] between the ZOG FDR administration and the House of Saud.

But delving further into the meat of your argument.. in what war are the people of Iraq, Syria, Iran, etc living their lives differently than I am?

They don't have to scramble in the morning to get their kids to school on time? They don't have to deal with overbearing bosses at work? They don't have ups and downs in their social lives?

Or do you mean they don't put up with homosexuals? Or do you mean [in the case of Iran and the Taliban] they put dents in the Zionist-controlled worldwide heroin trade? Or do you mean that they actually expect their women to carry themselves through life with dignity and modesty rather than training them from childhood to be uber sluts?
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i mean that the people, the laws, the leaders, the culture in general in arab countries is not as similar to say american culture, as israeli culture is.

is it really that hard to understand or are you just playing dumb?
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The Moral Bankruptcy of Israel's Founding Idea
The Coming Collapse of Zionism

by KATHLEEN CHRISTISON

Former CIA Analyst

Is it only observers outside the conventional mainstream who have noticed that by its murderous assault on Lebanon and simultaneously on Gaza, Israel finally exposed, for even the most deluded to see, the total bankruptcy of its very founding idea?

Can it be that the deluded are still deluded? Can it truly still be that Israel’s bankruptcy is evident only to those who already knew it, those who already recognized Zionism as illegitimate for the racist principle that underlies it?

Can it be therefore that only the already converted can see coming the ultimate collapse of Zionism and, with it, of Israel itself as the exclusivist state of Jews?

Racism has always been the lifeblood of Israel. Zionism rests on the fundamental belief that Jews have superior national, human, and natural rights in the land, an inherently racist foundation that excludes any possibility of true democracy or equality of peoples. Israel’s destructive rampage in Lebanon and Gaza is merely the natural next step in the evolution of such a founding ideology. Precisely because that ideology posits the exclusivity and superiority of one people’s rights, it can accept no legal or moral restraints on its behavior and no territorial limits, for it needs an ever-expanding geography to accommodate those unlimited rights.

Zionism cannot abide encroachment or even the slightest challenge to its total domination over its own space — not merely of the space within Israel’s 1967 borders, but of the surrounding space as well, extending outward to geographical limits that Zionism has not yet seen fit to set for itself. Total domination means no physical threat and no demographic threat: Jews reign, Jews are totally secure, Jews always outnumber, Jews hold all military power, Jews control all natural resources, all neighbors are powerless and totally subservient. This was the message Israel tried to send with its attack on Lebanon: that neither Hizbullah nor anything in Lebanon that nurtures Hizbullah should continue to exist, for the sole reason that Hizbullah challenges Israel’s supreme authority in the region and Israel cannot abide this effrontery. Zionism cannot coexist with any other ideology or ethnicity except in the preeminent position, for everyone and every ideology that is not Zionist is a potential threat.

In Lebanon, Israel attempted by its wildly reckless violence to destroy the nation, to make of it a killing zone where only Zionism would reign, where non-Jews would die or flee or prostrate themselves, as they had during the nearly quarter-century of Israel’s last occupation, from 1978 to 2000. Observing the war in Beirut after the first week of bombing, describing the murder in an Israeli bombing raid of four Lebanese army logistics techs who had been mending power and water lines "to keep Beirut alive," British correspondent Robert Fisk wrote that it dawned on him that what Israel intended was that "Beirut is to die . . . . No one is to be allowed to keep Beirut alive." Israeli Chief of Staff Dan Halutz (the man who four years ago when he headed the Israeli Air Force said he felt no psychological discomfort after one of his F-16s had dropped a one-ton bomb on an apartment building in Gaza in the middle of the night, killing 14 civilians, mostly children) pledged at the start of the Lebanon assault to take Lebanon back 20 years; 20 years ago Lebanon was not alive, its southern third occupied by Israel, the remainder a decade into a hopelessly destructive civil war.

The cluster bombs are a certain sign of Israel’s intent to remake Lebanon, at least southern Lebanon, into a region cleansed of its Arab population and unable to function except at Israel’s mercy. Cluster bombs, of which Israel’s U.S. provider is the world’s leading manufacturer (and user, in places like Yugoslavia and Iraq), explode in mid-flight and scatter hundreds of small bombs over a several-acre area. Up to one-quarter of the bomblets fail to explode on impact and are left to be found by unsuspecting civilians returning to their homes. UN surveyors estimate that there are as many as 100,000 unexploded cluster bomblets strewn around in 400 bomb-strike sites in southern Lebanon. Scores of Lebanese children and adults have been killed and injured by this unexploded ordnance since the cease-fire last month.

Laying anti-personnel munitions in heavily populated civilian areas is not the surgical targeting of a military force in pursuit of military objectives; it is ethnic cleansing. Fully 90 percent of Israel’s cluster-bomb strikes were conducted, according to UN humanitarian coordinator Jan Egelund, in the last 72 hours before the cease-fire took effect, when it was apparent that a UN cease-fire resolution was in the works. This can only have been a further effort, no doubt intended to be more or less a coup de grace, to depopulate the area. Added to the preceding month of bombing attacks that destroyed as much as 50 or in some cases 80 percent of the homes in many villages, that did vast damage to the nation’s entire civilian infrastructure, that crippled a coastal power plant that continues to spill tons of oil and benzene-laden toxins along the Lebanese and part of the Syrian coastlines, and that killed over 1,000 civilians in residential apartment blocks, being transported in ambulances, and fleeing in cars flying white flags, Israel’s war can only be interpreted as a massiv act of ethnic cleansing, to keep the region safe for Jewish dominion.

In fact, approximately 250,000 people, by UN estimate, are unable to return to their homes because either the homes have been leveled or unexploded cluster bomblets and other ordnance have not yet been cleared by demining teams. This was not a war against Hizbullah, except incidentally. It was not a war against terror, as Israel and its U.S. acolytes would have us believe (indeed, Hizbullah was not conducting terrorist acts, but had been engaged in a sporadic series of military exchanges with Israeli forces along the border, usually initiated by Israel). This was a war for Israeli breathing space, for the absolute certainty that Israel would dominate the neighborhood. It was a war against a population that was not totally subservient, that had the audacity to harbor a force like Hizbullah that does not bow to Israel’s will. It was a war on people and their way of thinking, people who are not Jewish and who do not act to promote Zionism and Jewish hegemony.

Israel has been doing this to its neighbors in one form or another since its creation. Palestinians have obviously been Zionism’s longest suffering victims, and its most persistent opponents. The Zionists thought they had rid themselves of their most immediate problem, the problem at the very core of Zionism, in 1948 when they forced the flight of nearly two-thirds of the Palestinian population that stood in the way of a establishing Israel as an exclusive Jewish-majority state. You can’t have a Jewish state if most of your population is not Jewish. Nineteen years later, when Israel began to expand its borders with the capture of the West Bank and Gaza, those Palestinians who it thought had disappeared turned out to be still around after all, threatening the Zionists’ Jewish hegemony.

In the nearly 40 years since then, Israeli policy has been largely directed — with periodic time-outs for attacks on Lebanon — toward making the Palestinians disappear for certain. The methods of ethnic cleansing are myriad: land theft, destruction of agricultural land and resources, economic strangulation, crippling restrictions on commerce, home demolition, residency permit revocation, outright deportation, arrest, assassination, family separation, movement restriction, destruction of census and land ownership records, theft of tax monies, starvation. Israel wants all of the land of Palestine, including all of the West Bank and Gaza, but it cannot have a majority Jewish state in all of this land as long as the Palestinians are there. Hence the slow strangulation. In Gaza, where almost a million and a half people are crammed into an area less than one-tenth the size of Rhode Island, Israel is doing on a continuing basis what it did in Lebanon in a month’s time — killing civilians, destroying civilian infrastructure, making the place uninhabitable. Palestinians in Gaza are being murdered at the rate of eight a day. Maimings come at a higher rate. Such is the value of non-Jewish life in the Zionist scheme of things.

Israeli scholar Ilan Pappe calls it a slow genocide (ElectronicIntifada, September 2, 2006). Since 1948, every Palestinian act of resistance to Israeli oppression has been a further excuse for Israel to implement an ethnic cleansing policy, a phenomenon so inevitable and accepted in Israel that Pappe says "the daily business of slaying Palestinians, mainly children, is now reported in the internal pages of the local press, quite often in microscopic fonts." His prediction is that continued killing at this level either will produce a mass eviction or, if the Palestinians remain steadfast and continue to resist, as is far more likely, will result in an increasing level of killing. Pappe recalls that the world absolved Israel of responsibility and any accountability for its 1948 act of ethnic cleansing, allowing Israel to turn this policy "into a legitimate tool for its national security agenda." If the world remains silent again in response to the current round of ethnic cleansing, the policy will only escalate, "even more drastically."

And here is the crux of the situation today. Will anyone notice this horror? Has Israel, as proposed at the beginning, truly exposed by its wild summer campaign of ethnic cleansing in Lebanon and Gaza the total bankruptcy of its very founding idea, the essential illegitimacy of the Zionist principle of Jewish exclusivity? Can even the most deluded see this, or will they continue to be deluded and the world continue to turn away, excusing atrocity because it is committed by Israel in the name of keeping the neighborhood safe for Jews?

Since Israel’s crazed run through Lebanon began, numerous clear-eyed observers in the alternative and the European and Arab media have noted the new moral nudity of Israel, and of its U.S. backer, with an unusual degree of bluntness. Also on many tongues is a new awareness of growing Arab and Muslim resistance to the staggering viciousness of Israeli-U.S. actions. Palestinian-British scholar Karma Nabulsi, writing in the Guardian in early August, laments the "indiscriminate wrath of an enemy driven by an existential mania that cannot be assuaged, only stopped." American scholar Virginia Tilley (Counterpunch, August 5, 2006) observes that any kind of normal, peaceful existence is anathema to Israel, for it "must see and treat its neighbors as an existential threat in order to justify . . . its ethnic/racial character." Even before the Lebanon war, but after Gaza had begun to be starved, political economist Edward Herman (Z Magazine, March 2006)condemned Israel’s "long-term ethnic cleansing and institutionalized racism" and the hypocritical way in which the West and the western media accept and underwrite these policies "in violation of all purported enlightenment values."

Racism underlies the Israeli-U.S. neocon axis that is currently running amok in the Middle East. The inherent racism of Zionism has found a natural ally in the racist imperial philosophy espoused by the neoconservatives of the Bush administration. The ultimate logic of the Israeli-U.S. global war, writes Israeli activist Michel Warschawski of the Alternative Information Center in Jerusalem (July 30, 2006) is the "full ethnicization" of all conflicts, "in which one is not fighting a policy, a government or specific targets, but a ‘threat’ identified with a community" — or, in Israel’s case, with all non-Jewish communities.

The basically racist notion of a clash of civilizations, being promoted both by the Bush administration and by Israel, provides the rationale for the assaults on Palestine and Lebanon. As Azmi Bishara, a leading Palestinian member of Israel’s Knesset, has observed (al-Ahram, August 10-16, 2006), if the Israeli-U.S. argument that the world is divided into two distinct and incompatible cultures, us vs. them, is accurate, then the notion that "we" operate by a double standard loses all moral opprobrium, for it becomes the natural order of things. This has always been Israel’s natural order of things: in Israel’s world and that of its U.S. supporters, the idea that Jews and the Jewish culture are superior to and incompatible with surrounding peoples and cultures is the very basis of the state.

In the wake of Israel’s failure in Lebanon, Arabs and Muslims have a sense, for the first time since Israel’s implantation in the heart of the Arab Middle East almost 60 years ago, that Israel in its arrogance has badly overreached and that its power and its reach can be limited. The "ethnicization" of the global conflict that Michel Warschawski speaks of — the arrogant colonial approach of old, now in a new high-tech guise backed by F-16s and nuclear weapons, that assumes Western and Israeli superiority and posits a kind of apocalyptic clash between the "civilized" West and a backward, enraged East — has been seen for what it is because of Israel’s mad assault on Lebanon. What it is is a crude racist assertion of power by a Zionist regime pursuing absolute, unchallenged regional hegemony and a neoconservative regime in the United States pursuing absolute, unchallenged global hegemony. As Palestinian commentator Rami Khouri observed in an interview with Charlie Rose a week into the Lebanon war, Hizbullah in Lebanon and Hamas in Palestine, having both grown out of earlier Israeli wars of hegemony, are the political response of populations "that have been degraded and occupied and bombed and killed and humiliated repeatedly by the Israelis, and often with the direct or indirect acquiescence, or, as we see now, the direct support of the United States."

Those oppressed populations are now fighting back. No matter how much Arab leaders in Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia may bow to the U.S. and Israel, the Arab people now recognize the fundamental weakness of Israel’s race-based culture and polity and have a growing confidence that they can ultimately defeat it. The Palestinians in particular have been at this for 60 years, never disappearing despite Israel’s best designs, never failing to remind Israel and the world of their existence. They will not succumb now, and the rest of the Arab world is taking heart from their endurance and Hizbullah’s.

Something in the way Israel operates, and in the way the United States supports Israel’s method of operating, must change. More and more commentators, inside the Arab world and outside, have begun to notice this, and a striking number are audacious enough to predict some sort of end to Zionism in the racist, exclusivist form in which it now exists and functions. This does not mean throwing the Jews into the sea. Israel will not be defeated militarily. But it can be defeated psychologically, which means putting limits on its hegemony, stopping its marauding advance through its neighborhood, ending Jewish racial/religious domination over other peoples.

Rami Khouri contends that the much greater public support throughout the Arab world for Hizbullah and Hamas is "a catastrophe" both for Israel and for the United States because it means resistance to their imperial designs. Khouri does not go further in his predictions, but others do, seeing at least in vague outline the vision of a future in which Israel no longer enjoys ultimate dominion. Gilad Atzmon, an ex-Israeli living in Britain, a jazz musician and thinker, sees Hizbullah’s victory in Lebanon as signaling the defeat of what he calls global Zionism, by which he means the Israeli/U.S. neocon axis. It is the Lebanese, Palestinian, Iraqi, Afghani, and Iranian people, he says, who are "at the vanguard of the war for humanity and humanism," while Israel and the U.S. spread destruction and death, and more and more Europeans and Americans, recognizing this, are falling off the Zionist/neocon bandwagon. Atzmon talks about Israel as, ultimately, "an historic event" and a "dead entity."

Many others see similar visions. Commentators increasingly discuss the possibility of Israel, its myth of invincibility having been deflated, going through a South Africa-like epiphany, in which its leadership somehow recognizes the error of its racist ways and in a surge of humanitarian feeling renounces Zionism’s inequities and agrees that Jews and Palestinians should live in equality in a unitary state. British MP George Galloway (Guardian, August 31, 2006) foresees the possibility of "an FW de Klerk moment" emerging in Israel and among its international backers when, as occurred in South Africa, a "critical mass of opposition" overwhelms the position of the previously invincible minority and the leadership is able to justify transferring power on the basis that doing so later under duress will be far less favorable. Short of such peaceful transition, along with a move to resolve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, Galloway ­ along with many others — sees only "war, war and more war, until one day it is Tel Aviv which is on fire and the Israeli leaders’ intransigence brings the whole state down on their heads."

This increasingly appears to be the shape of the future: either Israel and its neocon supporters in the United States can dismantle Zionism’s most egregious aspects by agreeing to establish a unitary state in Palestine inhabited by the Palestinians and Jews whose land this is, or the world will face a conflagration of a scale not fully imaginable now.

Just as Hizbullah is an integral part of Lebanon, not to be destroyed by the bombing of bridges and power plants, the Palestinians before their expulsion in 1948 were Palestine and still are Palestine. By hitting the Palestinians where they lived, in the literal and the colloquial sense, Israel left them with only a goal and a vision. That vision is justice and redress in some form, whether redress means ultimately defeating Zionism and taking back Palestine, or reconciling with Israel on the condition that it act like a decent neighbor and not a conqueror, or finally joining with Israeli Jews to form a single state in which no people has superior rights . In Lebanon, Israel again seemed bent on imposing its will, its dominion, its culture and ethnicity on another Arab country. It never worked in Palestine, it has not worked in Lebanon, and it will not work anywhere in the Arab world.

We have reached a moral crossroads. In the "new Middle East" defined by Israel, Bush, and the neocons, only Israel and the U.S. may dominate, only they may be strong, only they may be secure. But in the just world that lies on the other side of that crossroads, this is unacceptable. Justice can ultimately prevail.

KATHLEEN CHRISTISON is a former CIA political analyst and has worked on Middle East issues for 30 years. She is the author of Perceptions of Palestine and The Wound of Dispossession.

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and let me say, i grew up with a lot of jews. there are a lot of jews i dont like. just like any other group of people. i do have some very good jewish friends though. basically they all just value education, a good job, their family and they also look out for other jews. i see the same thing with mexicans i know, blacks, whites, asians, indians... every group does it. jews and asians/indians just seem to be the best at making money/creating things.
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I don't look out for other whites. And if I did people would call me a racist.
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i know italians that look out for italians. irish that look out for irish. polish that look out for polish. russians who look out for russians. cmon, maybe you dont do it. and not every jew looks out for every other jew either. i am just saying, typically that is what they do and typically, thats what everyone does.
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The Moral Bankruptcy of Israel's Founding Idea


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the fact that you are basically preaching the hate of entire groups of people and then ending your post with a cute little icon shows what a twisted out of touch psycho you are.
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As i said before, you're not to blame for what you believe, because you was brainwashed since you're born, and therefore i am happy to inform you, that i am not preaching hate, i am a messenger to inform you, in order to help you to distinguish between true religious jews who follow and practice the Holy Torah/Judaism since thousands of years and on the other side we have a group of atheist fanatics, terrorists, fascists and racist zionist "jews" posing as jews, but aren't. Zionism exist only since 100 years, and they do not even believe in God, Judaism nor the Holy Torah.

Its very tough for people who were religiously brainwashed from young age on, i fully respect your situation ... don't worry, everything will turn out well ...

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They're always sticking their nose in my business!

Kidding, i dont hate Jews.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
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The Moral Bankruptcy of Israel's Founding Idea


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the fact that you are basically preaching the hate of entire groups of people and then ending your post with a cute little icon shows what a twisted out of touch psycho you are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17485914


As i said before, you're not to blame for what you believe, because you was brainwashed since you're born, and therefore i am happy to inform you, that i am not preaching hate, i am a messenger to inform you, in order to help you to distinguish between true religious jews who follow and practice the Holy Torah/Judaism since thousands of years and on the other side we have a group of atheist fanatics, terrorists, fascists and racist zionist "jews" posing as jews, but aren't. Zionism exist only since 100 years, and they do not even believe in God, Judaism nor the Holy Torah.

Its very tough for people who were religiously brainwashed from young age on, i fully respect your situation ... don't worry, everything will turn out well ...

hf
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i feel sorry for you. i hope one day you wake up.
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and let me say, i grew up with a lot of jews. there are a lot of jews i dont like. just like any other group of people. i do have some very good jewish friends though. basically they all just value education, a good job, their family and they also look out for other jews. i see the same thing with mexicans i know, blacks, whites, asians, indians... every group does it. jews and asians/indians just seem to be the best at making money/creating things.
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I don't look out for other whites. And if I did people would call me a racist.
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i know italians that look out for italians. irish that look out for irish. polish that look out for polish. russians who look out for russians. cmon, maybe you dont do it. and not every jew looks out for every other jew either. i am just saying, typically that is what they do and typically, thats what everyone does.
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I agree but I'm just saying most whites I know are not Italian or Irish they're just a mix of white, and they don't have a group/identity to associate with. They don't care what a person's skin color is or affiliations are. I think it's a good way to be - except that so many groups do stick with and favor their own.
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Hasbari tactic..derail a thread by deceivingly taking sides and arguing back and forth in a petty name-calling manner. The tactic is designed to use up pages..to prevent evidence from being presented in a brief easily understood manner..it is designed to make the readers leave in threads where too much truth is being made known.

..take note of who it is that doing this in this thread!

(another tactic is to cut and paste a large amount of propaganda..using up pages to cause people to leave..)

Gilad Atzmon and Nathaniel Kapner are good sources for truth..both Jews..neither hate themselves..and both can be referenced from the Rense website..which is also an excellent source for discussions like this.
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So , do you think the swiss guy is a shill?
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this may be ascertained by watching his future postings..


concerning the behavior of the chosen ones of Wall Street (where, by the way, so many politicians are so heavily invested..) quote..

"Trillions that might have paid for new schools and roads and hospitals has vanished into the black hole of Wall Street, to buy up bad paper and feed it to the shredder before the public finds out that once again, as is typical of a fascist economy, the poor are made to pay for all! People without mortgages, people who have never bought a home, are all harmed by this disaster. We are all victims of the rampant and reckless greed that consumes the money addicts in the halls of power. 43 million Americans are on food Stamps, and according to Barron's Magazine(October 11, 2010), unemployment is at 22%, which is depression levels. Meanwhile, Wall Street executives will collect bonuses this year totaling 8% of all the US cash in circulation!"

The desperation of the people of Weimar Germany comes to our country. The same eternal enemy of Christianity is in charge now as it was then.
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again, take a look at how the people of israel live and then look at how the people in syria, libya, saudi arabia, iran, iraq, etc. live and then you tell me which one is more similar to the west.
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Saudi Arabia and Israel are allies, so I'm not sure why you're even including them in the discussion. I suppose you are counting on your target audience to be in the dark regarding the debt-for-oil arrangement that was agreed upon leading up to the First Zionist War [World War II] between the ZOG FDR administration and the House of Saud.

But delving further into the meat of your argument.. in what war are the people of Iraq, Syria, Iran, etc living their lives differently than I am?

They don't have to scramble in the morning to get their kids to school on time? They don't have to deal with overbearing bosses at work? They don't have ups and downs in their social lives?

Or do you mean they don't put up with homosexuals? Or do you mean [in the case of Iran and the Taliban] they put dents in the Zionist-controlled worldwide heroin trade? Or do you mean that they actually expect their women to carry themselves through life with dignity and modesty rather than training them from childhood to be uber sluts?
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i mean that the people, the laws, the leaders, the culture in general in arab countries is not as similar to say american culture, as israeli culture is.

is it really that hard to understand or are you just playing dumb?
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I'm asking you for specifics, Jew [yes, this is the part where I name you].

What laws are different? How are the leaders different? If they are different, is it in a good or bad way? If in a good way, why? If in a bad way, why?

You posit that contemporary American culture is similar to Israeli culture -- and is this a good thing? Serious question -- is that a positive development? If so, why? Is contemporary American culture [and its aforementioned "similarities" with Israeli culture] in accordance with historical/classical American culture or are the two ages incongruent?
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We don't hate them, they hate us.

They hate everyone. It is borne of envy, fear and avarice. They are jealous, and especially fear the white man as he is the one who can crush them.

If someone hates me for no reason, I will GIVE that motherfucker a reason.
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Like I said, they hate you for no reason, just envy.

GIVE THE MOTHERFUCKERS A REASON.

Coming soon to lampposts everywhere!
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The Moral Bankruptcy of Israel's Founding Idea


hf
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the fact that you are basically preaching the hate of entire groups of people and then ending your post with a cute little icon shows what a twisted out of touch psycho you are.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17485914


As i said before, you're not to blame for what you believe, because you was brainwashed since you're born, and therefore i am happy to inform you, that i am not preaching hate, i am a messenger to inform you, in order to help you to distinguish between true religious jews who follow and practice the Holy Torah/Judaism since thousands of years and on the other side we have a group of atheist fanatics, terrorists, fascists and racist zionist "jews" posing as jews, but aren't. Zionism exist only since 100 years, and they do not even believe in God, Judaism nor the Holy Torah.

Its very tough for people who were religiously brainwashed from young age on, i fully respect your situation ... don't worry, everything will turn out well ...

hf
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i feel sorry for you. i hope one day you wake up.
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Thank you very much, i really, really, really want to wake up, so i wish you all Love, Wisdom, Truth and Light in order to work for the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness on Earth ...

Lez do it, bro'

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and let me say, i grew up with a lot of jews. there are a lot of jews i dont like. just like any other group of people. i do have some very good jewish friends though. basically they all just value education, a good job, their family and they also look out for other jews. i see the same thing with mexicans i know, blacks, whites, asians, indians... every group does it. jews and asians/indians just seem to be the best at making money/creating things.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17485914


I don't look out for other whites. And if I did people would call me a racist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34496640


i know italians that look out for italians. irish that look out for irish. polish that look out for polish. russians who look out for russians. cmon, maybe you dont do it. and not every jew looks out for every other jew either. i am just saying, typically that is what they do and typically, thats what everyone does.
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I agree but I'm just saying most whites I know are not Italian or Irish they're just a mix of white, and they don't have a group/identity to associate with. They don't care what a person's skin color is or affiliations are. I think it's a good way to be - except that so many groups do stick with and favor their own.
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and maybe you should take a deeper look into that and what that says about yourself. maybe there is no big jewish conspiracy just like there isnt an italian, irish, mexican, puerto rican, japanese, chinese or whatever conspiracy... maybe, you have been programmed to hate these groups that are managing to stick together and do well and focus on them rather than doing what you can to build your own community and identity and be successful for yourself. if jews ran everything, what are they waiting for? why stay a small hated minority fighting for a tiny little piece of land that was given to them after millions were exterminated by a psycho on a weird trip? why dont they have jewish presidents? you are tellng me the jews really run everything but there was a black guy whose middle name is hussein that was the president before a jew? why is it out of the top 10 richest people in the world, only 1 (maybe 2) is jewish? the top 2 are white christians and #3 is a christian mexican... maybe you have been distracted by the real powers that be to focus you energy in the wrong place so that they (the people in power, who i believe transgress race and religion)can you use you as they please by controlling you with fear of the devil jew.
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And you know what, i really, really, really want you all to wake up too, so i have another gem for all who want to wake up to the Truth about atheist Zionism and the true religious jews ...

The Rabbis Speak Out: The 130 Year Record of Religious Jewish Opposition to Zionism

Introduction

The Jews have always been religious people who lived with belief and trust in the Almighty. In their long history, they have gone through many different periods. There were times when they had their own land, sanctioned by the command of the Almighty. At other times, such as in the current era, they have been in exile.

In the course of the two thousand years of this current exile, following the destruction of the Temple, Jews have remained faithful to the Almighty. Knowing that their exile was His will and His decree, they have always accepted it, and have not risen up to fight with other nations or dominate them. They have lived loyally under whatever governments they happened to live.

The past century has seen the rise of the Zionist philosophy, which transforms Judaism from a religion to a nationalism, from spirituality to materialism. (The word “Zion” was used by the prophets as a name for Jerusalem. The secular nationalists borrowed the name for their movement, whose goal was to take over Jerusalem.) The Zionists convinced a segment of world Jewry to leave behind their faith in the Almighty, not to trust in His security, and to take matters into their own hands. They forced their way out of exile and built a “Jewish” state. This act in itself was a severe violation of the Torah, which forbids Jews to found their own state before the coming of the messiah.

The act is doubly sinful when we consider that they founded their state in the land already inhabited by the Palestinian people. They cruelly expelled, murdered and persecuted the Palestinians, and stole their land – all terrible crimes in the eyes of the Torah.

Zionism, starting from its founding day in the year 1897, aroused sharp condemnation from all the Rabbis, both in Palestine and around the world. All of religious Jewry was united in its opposition to this dangerous new movement, and fought it fiercely. The result was that Zionism took hold almost exclusively among non-religious Jews. And were it not for the tremendous downfall of Jewry in the Second World War, Zionism could never have conquered any part of religious Jewry. In the War, which preceded the establishment of the Zionist state by only a few years, the Jewish people was torn to pieces and lost almost all its greatest Rabbinical leaders. Many Jews lost their faith and felt defenseless and vulnerable, and they were taken in by the Zionists‟ promises to “defend the Jewish people.”

In this publication, we bring some excerpts from words of the Rabbis of past and present generations on Zionism. These are the Rabbis, giants of Judaism, by whose light religious Jews walk to this day. As the reader will see, they were totally opposed to the ideology of Zionism, the existence of the State of “Israel”, the Zionists and all of their acts.

We must note that many of the rabbis quoted here lived before the founding of the Zionist state, and although the Zionists even then had a long record of cruelty and brutality to the Palestinians, their intentions and actions were not widely known. In fact, the Zionists took care to present themselves as a movement to purchase land and settle in Palestine, not as a movement to make wars with other peoples and displace them. Therefore, the rabbis of that period focused their opposition on the Zionists‟ violations of the Torah and their rebellion against the Almighty‟s decree of exile.

Even in the period after 1948, the Zionists‟ crimes against the indigenous people of Palestine received almost no coverage in the international media and thus most of the Rabbis did not know about them. In the State of “Israel” itself, the Zionists understandably did not want to arouse public opinion and therefore their media, for many years, did not report on the plight of the Palestinian people; they forcibly blacked out any coverage of their own atrocities. It has only been in the last two or three decades, starting approximately with the Lebanon War of 1982, that the Western world has gained an awareness of these issues. This awareness is reflected in the words of the Rabbis of the most recent period.

We hope and wait for the day when the Almighty‟s glory will be revealed, “the earth will be full of knowledge of the Almighty” (Isaiah 11:9) and “the Almighty will be king over all the earth” (Zachariah 14:9). Then there will be a spiritual revolution in the entire world, and the Almighty will redeem all Peoples, as we say in our prayers, “All the nations will become one organization to do Your will with their whole heart.” And in the words of the Psalms (102:23), “Nations and governments will gather together to serve the Almighty.” May it be soon, in our days, amen.

Rabbi Yehoshua Leib Diskin, rabbi of Brisk,Lithuaniaand later rabbi of Jerusalem (1817-1878)

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again, take a look at how the people of israel live and then look at how the people in syria, libya, saudi arabia, iran, iraq, etc. live and then you tell me which one is more similar to the west.
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Saudi Arabia and Israel are allies, so I'm not sure why you're even including them in the discussion. I suppose you are counting on your target audience to be in the dark regarding the debt-for-oil arrangement that was agreed upon leading up to the First Zionist War [World War II] between the ZOG FDR administration and the House of Saud.

But delving further into the meat of your argument.. in what war are the people of Iraq, Syria, Iran, etc living their lives differently than I am?

They don't have to scramble in the morning to get their kids to school on time? They don't have to deal with overbearing bosses at work? They don't have ups and downs in their social lives?

Or do you mean they don't put up with homosexuals? Or do you mean [in the case of Iran and the Taliban] they put dents in the Zionist-controlled worldwide heroin trade? Or do you mean that they actually expect their women to carry themselves through life with dignity and modesty rather than training them from childhood to be uber sluts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34588149


i mean that the people, the laws, the leaders, the culture in general in arab countries is not as similar to say american culture, as israeli culture is.

is it really that hard to understand or are you just playing dumb?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17485914


I'm asking you for specifics, Jew [yes, this is the part where I name you].

What laws are different? How are the leaders different? If they are different, is it in a good or bad way? If in a good way, why? If in a bad way, why?

You posit that contemporary American culture is similar to Israeli culture -- and is this a good thing? Serious question -- is that a positive development? If so, why? Is contemporary American culture [and its aforementioned "similarities" with Israeli culture] in accordance with historical/classical American culture or are the two ages incongruent?
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1st off, i am not jewish. i dont believe in god in any organized religious sense. i think god is maybe an energy or something we dont know or will be able to understand. i find judaism just as ridiculous as christianity or islam or any other organized religion. i think religion is a tool to divide people, control their minds and take their money.

so you are wrong, again.

as i said before, i grew up in an area with a decent amount of jews. i have met people from israel. they are just like most americans. they dont treat their women like 2nd class citizens. they allow other religions. they dont have as strict religious laws. etc... i am not saying islam is any worse or better... i am just saying israel and israelis are more like westerners than islamic countries... how can you deny that?? you are a really dishonest person, arent you?

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