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why are protestants so eager to weigh in on the pope???

 
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OP, I encourage you to actually check the Bible on whatever you're talking about. Deferring to a pope, or priest, or church, while ignoring the Bible, seems mistaken to me.
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I always do... If it is not biblical, I stay away from it... The entire mass is biblical!
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You keep ignoring my mention of the second commandment, conveniently..Thoughts?
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Well the second ammendment deals with the "right to bear arms..." not sure what you meant...
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TO MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST:

Please remember, this is not an attack, it's a defense. Your denomination has said all other denominations are either carnal or demonic and all their members have a one way ticket to hell. In that egocentric theology your leaders have replaced Jesus with their denomination. In their eyes, they are the Way, the Truth and the Life and that's why they are not a denomination (part of the church) because they ARE the church.
Bottom line? If you can serve the Lord with all your heart in the Church of Christ denomination and stay strong in Him until the day you die, then stay in the Church of Christ denomination. The web site is not for you, then. It is for people who are in the Church of Christ denomination that are looking for more of Jesus. They are tired of a religion, and want a true, deep, sincere relationship with God. So if you have been wondering, “Is this all there is?” The answer is, no. Jesus has a lot more for you than just a "religion." He wants to have a real, vital, genuine relationship with you, and it is just a prayer away!!


Just something interesting I found online...
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It is from this site... [link to www.chocd.org]
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But read the ending, from another site:

Well, the government has never interfered before so why worry about it? This question is totally irrelevant to the problem. It is not a matter of whether or not the state has taken any action, but they have the power to step in at any time they so desire.

Another matter that is being subtlety placed before the general public via the media is, churches should share their responsibility in caring for the poor and homeless. The government will cost share this heavy expense with churches if they are a political subdivision. The government has every right to demand payment whenever they please.

The church of our Lord Jesus Christ is holy and answers only to her head or her husband! In answer to the question, no one has the right to forfeit the sovereignty of the church to anyone and that includes the state. Amen. Any church who has violated the sacredness of God's Holy Writ is no longer his, but wards of the state.
[link to www.thewholetruthnow.com]
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But your church has all type of engraved images, in direct violation of the second amendment, which you conveniently TOOK OUT of the Bible...
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Don't know who you're speaking to. Hope it's not me. A religion that becomes a corporation has no constitutionally protected rights. They become a product of the state.
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OP, I encourage you to actually check the Bible on whatever you're talking about. Deferring to a pope, or priest, or church, while ignoring the Bible, seems mistaken to me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


I always do... If it is not biblical, I stay away from it... The entire mass is biblical!
 Quoting: MaxMad


You keep ignoring my mention of the second commandment, conveniently..Thoughts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


Well the second ammendment deals with the "right to bear arms..." not sure what you meant...
 Quoting: MaxMad


The second commandment? I typed it right in the post you quoted, please stop dodging and be sincere.
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I always do... If it is not biblical, I stay away from it... The entire mass is biblical!
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You keep ignoring my mention of the second commandment, conveniently..Thoughts?
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Well the second ammendment deals with the "right to bear arms..." not sure what you meant...
 Quoting: MaxMad


The second commandment? I typed it right in the post you quoted, please stop dodging and be sincere.
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Please be specific... what are you referring to?
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It is from this site... [link to www.chocd.org]
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But read the ending, from another site:

Well, the government has never interfered before so why worry about it? This question is totally irrelevant to the problem. It is not a matter of whether or not the state has taken any action, but they have the power to step in at any time they so desire.

Another matter that is being subtlety placed before the general public via the media is, churches should share their responsibility in caring for the poor and homeless. The government will cost share this heavy expense with churches if they are a political subdivision. The government has every right to demand payment whenever they please.

The church of our Lord Jesus Christ is holy and answers only to her head or her husband! In answer to the question, no one has the right to forfeit the sovereignty of the church to anyone and that includes the state. Amen. Any church who has violated the sacredness of God's Holy Writ is no longer his, but wards of the state.
[link to www.thewholetruthnow.com]
 Quoting: Nine's


But your church has all type of engraved images, in direct violation of the second amendment, which you conveniently TOOK OUT of the Bible...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675

Don't know who you're speaking to. Hope it's not me. A religion that becomes a corporation has no constitutionally protected rights. They become a product of the state.
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That may have been misdirected at you, I wasnt sure if you were referring to the Catholic Church as without graven images. Please disregard.
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You keep ignoring my mention of the second commandment, conveniently..Thoughts?
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Well the second ammendment deals with the "right to bear arms..." not sure what you meant...
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The second commandment? I typed it right in the post you quoted, please stop dodging and be sincere.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


Please be specific... what are you referring to?
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Have you ever heard of the 10 commandments? If not, I suggest you pick up the Bible you claim to support.
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You keep ignoring my mention of the second commandment, conveniently..Thoughts?
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Well the second ammendment deals with the "right to bear arms..." not sure what you meant...
 Quoting: MaxMad


The second commandment? I typed it right in the post you quoted, please stop dodging and be sincere.
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Please be specific... what are you referring to?
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If a catholic prays to a Saint or Mary it is Intercessory prayer... All prayers are to Jesus... Intercessory prayer is the same as you asking people to pray for you...
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Exodus 20: 1 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
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Well the second ammendment deals with the "right to bear arms..." not sure what you meant...
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The second commandment? I typed it right in the post you quoted, please stop dodging and be sincere.
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Please be specific... what are you referring to?
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If a catholic prays to a Saint or Mary it is Intercessory prayer... All prayers are to Jesus... Intercessory prayer is the same as you asking people to pray for you...
 Quoting: MaxMad


But someone looking to a priest to 'absolve' their sins is not looking to Jesus, and Jesus alone.
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The second commandment? I typed it right in the post you quoted, please stop dodging and be sincere.
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Please be specific... what are you referring to?
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If a catholic prays to a Saint or Mary it is Intercessory prayer... All prayers are to Jesus... Intercessory prayer is the same as you asking people to pray for you...
 Quoting: MaxMad


But someone looking to a priest to 'absolve' their sins is not looking to Jesus, and Jesus alone.
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James talks about "confessing your sins to one another"... That is confession!
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Exodus 20: 1 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


I know what the ten commandments are!

Thou shall have no other God besides me! Because we have a statue of a saint honoring their service to God is not a sin!
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Please be specific... what are you referring to?
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If a catholic prays to a Saint or Mary it is Intercessory prayer... All prayers are to Jesus... Intercessory prayer is the same as you asking people to pray for you...
 Quoting: MaxMad


But someone looking to a priest to 'absolve' their sins is not looking to Jesus, and Jesus alone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


James talks about "confessing your sins to one another"... That is confession!
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But its not out place to 'absolve' these sins. Only Jesus can do that, and did so. Confession is fine, being honest is fine, not bearing false witness is fine.
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Exodus 20: 1 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


I know what the ten commandments are!

Thou shall have no other God besides me! Because we have a statue of a saint honoring their service to God is not a sin!
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What about all the graven images? Why is this so hard for you to grasp?
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If a catholic prays to a Saint or Mary it is Intercessory prayer... All prayers are to Jesus... Intercessory prayer is the same as you asking people to pray for you...
 Quoting: MaxMad


But someone looking to a priest to 'absolve' their sins is not looking to Jesus, and Jesus alone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


James talks about "confessing your sins to one another"... That is confession!
 Quoting: MaxMad


But its not out place to 'absolve' these sins. Only Jesus can do that, and did so. Confession is fine, being honest is fine, not bearing false witness is fine.
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We go directly to Jesus for absolution... But it is also important to confess your sins to another human being... It helps your healing process and to hopefully keep you from doing it again... One thing Protestants dont understand is that a Priest can actually give you good advice on avoiding that sin in the future-especially if its a habitual sin..
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Exodus 20: 1 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


I know what the ten commandments are!

Thou shall have no other God besides me! Because we have a statue of a saint honoring their service to God is not a sin!
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What about all the graven images? Why is this so hard for you to grasp?
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No one is worshiping the images, what is your point?
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If a catholic prays to a Saint or Mary it is Intercessory prayer... All prayers are to Jesus... Intercessory prayer is the same as you asking people to pray for you...
 Quoting: MaxMad


But someone looking to a priest to 'absolve' their sins is not looking to Jesus, and Jesus alone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


James talks about "confessing your sins to one another"... That is confession!
 Quoting: MaxMad


But its not out place to 'absolve' these sins. Only Jesus can do that, and did so. Confession is fine, being honest is fine, not bearing false witness is fine.
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You are correct, only Jesus can absolve sins!
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But someone looking to a priest to 'absolve' their sins is not looking to Jesus, and Jesus alone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


James talks about "confessing your sins to one another"... That is confession!
 Quoting: MaxMad


But its not out place to 'absolve' these sins. Only Jesus can do that, and did so. Confession is fine, being honest is fine, not bearing false witness is fine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


We go directly to Jesus for absolution... But it is also important to confess your sins to another human being... It helps your healing process and to hopefully keep you from doing it again... One thing Protestants dont understand is that a Priest can actually give you good advice on avoiding that sin in the future-especially if its a habitual sin..
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Maybe those priests can just work as counselors or therapists then. There are professions for that. However, you dodge the fact that at the end of these confessions, the priest ABSOLVES the person of their sin.. Getting this yet?
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Well the second ammendment deals with the "right to bear arms..." not sure what you meant...
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The second commandment? I typed it right in the post you quoted, please stop dodging and be sincere.
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Please be specific... what are you referring to?
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Have you ever heard of the 10 commandments? If not, I suggest you pick up the Bible you claim to support.
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So what church do you belong to?
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But someone looking to a priest to 'absolve' their sins is not looking to Jesus, and Jesus alone.
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James talks about "confessing your sins to one another"... That is confession!
 Quoting: MaxMad


But its not out place to 'absolve' these sins. Only Jesus can do that, and did so. Confession is fine, being honest is fine, not bearing false witness is fine.
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You are correct, only Jesus can absolve sins!
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Then you agree that what the priests do at the end of confessions is heresy! Thank you.
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Because eventually the churches will combine, as they should, and many from both sides agree.

We non-Catholic TRUE BELIEVER Christians are watching the Catholic church to see when we will need to come to her rescue.

I am a Christian, Catholics are also Christians.

The separation and divisions between us need to stop.

My Mother was a Baptist, my Father a Catholic. I am a hybrid.

We all love Jesus.
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The second commandment? I typed it right in the post you quoted, please stop dodging and be sincere.
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Please be specific... what are you referring to?
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Have you ever heard of the 10 commandments? If not, I suggest you pick up the Bible you claim to support.
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So what church do you belong to?
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This isnt an ad hominem attack on you. Its just about what you believe. You keep dodging the point about graven images, which isnt very honest and straightforward of you.
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Exodus 20: 1 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


I know what the ten commandments are!

Thou shall have no other God besides me! Because we have a statue of a saint honoring their service to God is not a sin!
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What about all the graven images? Why is this so hard for you to grasp?
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No one is worshiping the images, what is your point?
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But the churches of full of them, thats the obvious point. Its in direct violation of the second commandment. If you dont care thats fine, but dont make threads asking why people question the pope.
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Please be specific... what are you referring to?
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Have you ever heard of the 10 commandments? If not, I suggest you pick up the Bible you claim to support.
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So what church do you belong to?
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This isnt an ad hominem attack on you. Its just about what you believe. You keep dodging the point about graven images, which isnt very honest and straightforward of you.
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So why not come forth and tell us your church?
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I know what the ten commandments are!

Thou shall have no other God besides me! Because we have a statue of a saint honoring their service to God is not a sin!
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What about all the graven images? Why is this so hard for you to grasp?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


No one is worshiping the images, what is your point?
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But the churches of full of them, thats the obvious point. Its in direct violation of the second commandment. If you dont care thats fine, but dont make threads asking why people question the pope.
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So if you have a dollar bill in your wallet is that a violation of the second commandment? Of course you will say its not... but if you follow your logic, any gravin image you have should not be used...
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You keep ignoring my mention of the second commandment, conveniently..Thoughts?
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Well the second ammendment deals with the "right to bear arms..." not sure what you meant...
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The second commandment? I typed it right in the post you quoted, please stop dodging and be sincere.
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Please be specific... what are you referring to?
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Being a buttinsky here, but probably the part about not bowing down to idols and graven images.

Statues of anything or anyone. Even crucifixes are a no-no.
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Because eventually the churches will combine, as they should, and many from both sides agree.

We non-Catholic TRUE BELIEVER Christians are watching the Catholic church to see when we will need to come to her rescue.

I am a Christian, Catholics are also Christians.

The separation and divisions between us need to stop.

My Mother was a Baptist, my Father a Catholic. I am a hybrid.

We all love Jesus.
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Thank you! red_heart Someone who understands!
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Well the second ammendment deals with the "right to bear arms..." not sure what you meant...
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The second commandment? I typed it right in the post you quoted, please stop dodging and be sincere.
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Please be specific... what are you referring to?
 Quoting: MaxMad


Being a buttinsky here, but probably the part about not bowing down to idols and graven images.

Statues of anything or anyone. Even crucifixes are a no-no.
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So when it says "every knee shall bow..." thats a no-no???
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Have you ever heard of the 10 commandments? If not, I suggest you pick up the Bible you claim to support.
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So what church do you belong to?
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This isnt an ad hominem attack on you. Its just about what you believe. You keep dodging the point about graven images, which isnt very honest and straightforward of you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


So why not come forth and tell us your church?
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It will only serve to segregate.

Matthew 18: 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Your question only allows you to dodge mine. Again, if you're ok with graven images in your church, so be it, but dont turn around and question why people weigh in on the pope. That doesnt make any sense.
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It's not just the graven images. It's almost everything about the Catholic Church. There's just so much its' hard to limit it to just one, but how about Holy Water.

Holy water. How does it get "Holy". The Catholic church erroneously believes that the priest is the embodiment of God therefore he can "bless" the water and make it HOLY. There is no such thing as blessed or holy water with any special properties.

Max, you can say that praying to Mary is just praying to Mary to ask her to pray to Jesus...but that's just rediculous. And, WHY? WHY have an intermediary?

Go to yahoo or google and type in "kneel to the pope" or "kissing the pope" etc. You'll likely find hundreds of photos of men within the church bowing down to, kneeling to, and kissing the hand, feet, etc of the Pope. While he stands there limp wristed allowing men to get a good smooch in to VENERATE him...
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For those with eyes to see, the abomination of desolation is Judeo-Christianity [as opposed to simply Christianity]. Paul, I believe, spoke to the judaizing of the church in Jerusalem. [see the Book of Acts]. He cursed it..saying it was "a different gospel and another Jesus. A few years later that church was destroyed and the "nation" of Israel scattered..essentially ceasing to exist. (the beast was and was not [70 A.D.] and now is [post 1968]. )

Catholicism is a creation of Judaic Babylonian continuance. It was created to undo the good works of Paul in Rome. (and to commit endless evil acts throughout the centuries and have it blamed on "Christianity") The book "Two Babylons" by Alexander Hislop is a good place to start when trying to determine this for yourself.

Babylon is then the actual mother of harlots..it's Cabala the centuries old poison. Judaism is referred to as "mystery Babylon"..as I said, most of them don't know this. Or the Catholicism linkage..the only "Simon Peter" in ancient Rome was Simon the Jewish sorcerer..father of gnosticism and chief sorcerer to Nero. He was known in Rome as Father Simon or in Latin, Simon "Pater". Since so many born into Catholicism have nevertheless been devout believers in Christ. They know little truth about why their church was founded and even the source of their doctrines

Because of the Scofield poison spread primarily from his disciples at the Dallas Theological Seminary, the "rapture cult Christians" have become lost. Hirelings have led them astray "and hell hath opened it's mouth"

Organized religion " is as a loaf..fully leavened.

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