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Billionaires Secretly Fund Vast Climate Denial Network

 
Anonymous Coward (OP)
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What about the other planets in the solar system warming as well? Doesn't that make the sun a more likely culprit than man? I believe we are POLLUTING the enviroment.
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Yes, the sun has an effect. Yes the natural cycles have an effect. No one is denying any of that!

And yes, we are polluting the environment too, that's a given.

But the "co2" issue (it's more than just co2) is also true. What we are doing has never happened before in the history of humanity: since the dawn of the industrial age, we've been exponentially increasing gasses into the air that should not be there at those levels! That is also fact. The closest nature comes during the history of the planet is when there were massive volcanic eruptions dumping their plumes all over the place, leading to mass extinctions and yes, climate change.

Just look at this google result for a strong visual of what exactly we are doing to the air:

[link to www.google.ca]

So again: Climate change is a combination of factors, and humans are busily, blindingly pushing the scales and destabilizing all of these natural cycles!

Thank you for the PIN, mods, and thank you for the people who've posted logical, thought out arguments, and not just gut reaction propaganda-fed insults or talking points.

Big Oil has been hard at work funding the denial of their product being a problem, just like the tobacco industry did!

Sure, 120 million doesn't sound like much when you consider in terms of billionaires, but remember, that is just for funding shills, that's it, and that's more than enough for that purpose.

peace
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02/17/2013 02:14 PM
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"Isms" are being used as a tool for the redistribution of wealth !!

Feminism is used against masculism (family court)

liberalism against conservatism (guns, gays, etc)

environmentalism against corporatism


All these "isms" (and more) drag you to court and redistribute your wealth.


The "legal system" and it's support structures (jails, prisons, anger management, parole system, child support, etc.) account for 1/3 of the worlds GDP !!!
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ISMS!


[link to www.youtube.com]
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02/17/2013 02:16 PM
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Why is this still a conversation. In the end it won't matter and everyone will shut up into blissful silence.
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What about the other planets in the solar system warming as well? Doesn't that make the sun a more likely culprit than man? I believe we are POLLUTING the enviroment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3570662


Yes, the sun has an effect. Yes the natural cycles have an effect. No one is denying any of that!

And yes, we are polluting the environment too, that's a given.

But the "co2" issue (it's more than just co2) is also true. What we are doing has never happened before in the history of humanity: since the dawn of the industrial age, we've been exponentially increasing gasses into the air that should not be there at those levels! That is also fact. The closest nature comes during the history of the planet is when there were massive volcanic eruptions dumping their plumes all over the place, leading to mass extinctions and yes, climate change.

Just look at this google result for a strong visual of what exactly we are doing to the air:

[link to www.google.ca]

So again: Climate change is a combination of factors, and humans are busily, blindingly pushing the scales and destabilizing all of these natural cycles!

Thank you for the PIN, mods, and thank you for the people who've posted logical, thought out arguments, and not just gut reaction propaganda-fed insults or talking points.

Big Oil has been hard at work funding the denial of their product being a problem, just like the tobacco industry did!

Sure, 120 million doesn't sound like much when you consider in terms of billionaires, but remember, that is just for funding shills, that's it, and that's more than enough for that purpose.

peace
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314


Bullshit33

Global warming scam gets BILLIONS trying to push for control and power over us.

[link to nofrakkingconsensus.com]

Time magazine made it sound as though the big news was that the Sierra Club had turned its back on an additional $30 million of fossil fuel funding. But the salient issue, of course, is that America’s oldest green group pocketed $25 million from a company whose product it demonizes. $25 million. Between 2007 and 2010.


There are more others like this.

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02/17/2013 02:23 PM
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Obviously the billionaires plan has worked perfectly judging by this thread.

So... Are the billionaires your friends (and the oil etc companies they own and the politicians they lobby)? Or would they potentially invest a small amount of their income to potentially increase their net worth in the following years by a much larger amount?
Hmmmm.
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[link to nofrakkingconsensus.com]

Back in 1996, the New York Times reported that, six years after Al Gore’s sister had died of lung cancer, he himself “was still accepting campaign contributions from tobacco interests.” In 1999, it revealed that Gore’s “top media adviser,” Carter Eskew,

helped design a $40 million advertising blitz for the big tobacco companies during the Congressional fight over Federal anti-tobacco legislation…[Eskew] is not the only member of the Gore team with tobacco ties. Tina Flournoy, Mr. Gore’s finance director, is a former Philip Morris executive, and Jonathan Tisch, one of his top fund-raisers in New York, is a top executive at the Loews Corporation, the parent company of Lorillard Tobacco.

On the campaign trail back in 1988, Gore couldn’t boast loudly enough about the central role tobacco has played in his life:
Throughout most of my life, I’ve raised tobacco…I want you to know that with my own hands, all of my life, I put it in the plant beds and transferred it. I’ve hoed it. I’ve chopped it. I’ve shredded it, spiked it, put it in the barn and stripped it and sold it. [bold added]

QP = IDIOT! stupthrd
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02/17/2013 02:28 PM
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Look at all the good little shills doing the billionaires bidding in this thread. TPTB's perfectly manipulated little pawns. And they even do it for free!
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...If people would actually exercise a little common sense, they would understand that the thousands of years of abuse from unnatural technology on this planet would eventually take it's toll. If we were meant to have cars, refrigerators, and i-shit, they would have all grown on trees. Science, Math, and technology are the "blessings" the lovable serpent gave to Adam and Eve (of Annunaki creation, of course)that turned this God given paradise into the hell we currently live in...
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02/17/2013 02:42 PM
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Look at all the good little shills doing the billionaires bidding in this thread. TPTB's perfectly manipulated little pawns. And they even do it for free!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33979614


And you're not being manipulated by "Daddy" government, and the ATTORNEYS who will pocket that cash?

Do you really believe ALL (any) of that money will go to fix the problem? If so, then you're naive.

Never let a crisis go to waste !


I'm not saying you're point doesn't have credibility...

we MAY be exacerbating the problem...

we likely are contributing to the problem TO A DEGREE...

Hey, I'm a physics nerd...

Can you even begin to conceive the amount of energy needed to change Mar's or Jupiter's climate in 10 or 15 years?

but pissing into a tsunami does NOT make me the cause of the tsunami.

Maybe it's not the SUV's... maybe cutting down large percentages of the rain forest is responsible... or the vast oceans of concrete and steel we lay down, where vegatation USED to grow.. hmm?

Your tunnel vision destroys your credibility.

hf
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02/17/2013 02:50 PM
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Look at all the good little shills doing the billionaires bidding in this thread. TPTB's perfectly manipulated little pawns. And they even do it for free!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33979614


And you're not being manipulated by "Daddy" government, and the ATTORNEYS who will pocket that cash?

Do you really believe ALL (any) of that money will go to fix the problem? If so, then you're naive.

Never let a crisis go to waste !


I'm not saying you're point doesn't have credibility...

we MAY be exacerbating the problem...

we likely are contributing to the problem TO A DEGREE...

Hey, I'm a physics nerd...

Can you even begin to conceive the amount of energy needed to change Mar's or Jupiter's climate in 10 or 15 years?

but pissing into a tsunami does NOT make me the cause of the tsunami.

Maybe it's not the SUV's... maybe cutting down large percentages of the rain forest is responsible... or the vast oceans of concrete and steel we lay down, where vegatation USED to grow.. hmm?

Your tunnel vision destroys your credibility.

hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24606417


You don't actually know what my exact opinions are. I have no credibility to be destroyed. They are not exactlly as you assume.

On another note. You would be surprised just how much energy is involved and it is completely possible.

Check this link out.
[link to www.vancouverobserver.com]
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02/17/2013 02:55 PM
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i bet you driving a prius ?
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a dental dam is included
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02/17/2013 03:09 PM
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i think you will find most of us never denied climate change just the outcomes predicted.

ofcourse climate change is constantly occuring. only the retards think its not.

but that doesn't mean im about to believe what al gore says just because i know climates change.
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[link to www.forbes.com]

Gore has said investors in oil and gas companies that ignore the cost of carbon dioxide emissions and other greenhouse gases are making a mistake similar to investing in sub-prime mortgages. Some wish he had sold to Glenn Beck rather than lining his pockets with money from Al Jazeera, the cable channel partially funded by oil-rich Qatar.

OP = Still a dumbass
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02/17/2013 03:18 PM
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You don't actually know what my exact opinions are. I have no credibility to be destroyed. They are not exactlly as you assume.

On another note. You would be surprised just how much energy is involved and it is completely possible.

Check this link out.
[link to www.vancouverobserver.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24606417


Thank you for the link.. nothing newer than a report from 1981? that's barely before unleaded gas and air pumps to dilute exhaust emissions..

Thanks also for admitting you're a poor communicator, and that you have no credibility.

I make no assumptions / presumptions... as those are mortal sins.. like murder, rape, theft, and bearing false witness, lol

I asked questions, and offered if / then statements.

hf
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02/17/2013 03:19 PM
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It's a scam
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True.
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02/17/2013 03:22 PM
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You don't actually know what my exact opinions are. I have no credibility to be destroyed. They are not exactlly as you assume.

On another note. You would be surprised just how much energy is involved and it is completely possible.

Check this link out.
[link to www.vancouverobserver.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24606417


Thank you for the link.. nothing newer than a report from 1981? that's barely before unleaded gas and air pumps to dilute exhaust emissions..

Thanks also for admitting you're a poor communicator, and that you have no credibility.

I make no assumptions / presumptions... as those are mortal sins.. like murder, rape, theft, and bearing false witness, lol

I asked questions, and offered if / then statements.

hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33979614


-did so admirably too.
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So, it seems we were right about there being corporate shills working for the oil conglomerates!


[link to science.slashdot.org]

Conservative billionaires used a secretive funding route to channel nearly $120 million to more than 100 groups casting doubt about the science behind climate change
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314


You're wasting your time with this lot. Most are the dregs of society barely clinging onto jobs. They will ally with any other loser who similarly fears the world beyond his horizon.

Bottom line, any hope of holding back irreversible changes to our gaseous envelope are pretty much a waste of time. The confusion being fostered by all this dithering as well as fears about job losses and way of life combined with corporate funded denialism will pretty much preserve the status quo.

Just sit back and watch this show play out.
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Carbon Tax, [Bank] or call it a Buffer, only Governments that act now, are the Governments that are prepared.
For what ever nature has to offer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34618409


Act now or suffer.bump
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Act or don't act. We'll still suffer. The sun is making its move!
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You don't actually know what my exact opinions are. I have no credibility to be destroyed. They are not exactlly as you assume.

On another note. You would be surprised just how much energy is involved and it is completely possible.

Check this link out.
[link to www.vancouverobserver.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24606417


Thank you for the link.. nothing newer than a report from 1981? that's barely before unleaded gas and air pumps to dilute exhaust emissions..

Thanks also for admitting you're a poor communicator, and that you have no credibility.

I make no assumptions / presumptions... as those are mortal sins.. like murder, rape, theft, and bearing false witness, lol

I asked questions, and offered if / then statements.

hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33979614


-did so admirably too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24606417


dasbier Cheers !
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Yes, and people are STILL denying climate change. The reason for climate change is the big lie, but we are going to pay for it.
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This climate change is happening to all the planets in our solar system, and has nothing to do with fossil fuel burning.
 Quoting: Mwalk


Exactly, it's the natural cycle. If you look at true geologists that have taken earth samples, and have researched in the field for years they will tell you it has happened many times before.

And guess what? We didn't do it then, and aren't doing it now.


Plus if Billionaires are funding anti man made climate change they are doing a crap job of it. Because most believe the false theory of man made climate change. Sadly.
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02/17/2013 03:53 PM
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No they don't.
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climate change?????????????...r u nuts???
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Yes, and people are STILL denying climate change. The reason for climate change is the big lie, but we are going to pay for it.
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Why the heck would anyone deny climate change???? It happens over and over through out history! Why the hell to you suppose there are plants and trees within the ice of Antarctica? Where do you suppose the Grand Canyon came from? Yes, since trees give us oxygen and we seems to be getting rid of them at an alarming rate, we are going to have a bit of influence on climate change. Changing your fuel source for light bulbs and cars is not going to have much influence on the rate of change but if those trolls that want to charge you a carbon tax stop cutting away forests to build more factories to make crap... Well the nature will still change.
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Yes, and people are STILL denying climate change. The reason for climate change is the big lie, but we are going to pay for it.
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This climate change is happening to all the planets in our solar system, and has nothing to do with fossil fuel burning.
 Quoting: Mwalk


SUV's are ruining Uranus!

:bigbanana:
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


cruise
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Electromagnetic
Fucking
Shield....it's collapsing.

Wake the fuck up green tards. AGW is horseshit!
Molech
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...If people would actually exercise a little common sense, they would understand that the thousands of years of abuse from unnatural technology on this planet would eventually take it's toll.
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Show your work.

I will review your data.

Oh, you don't have any? You have feelings and intuition instead?

And you want to tax the planet trillions of dollars based on your feelings?

granny
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


And what first hand knowledge do you possess? I see what your problem is...you can't stand the fact that someone is benefiting from your ignorance. i see a lot of complaining, wit no solutions. Meanwhile, these guys offer up fake solutions, charge you for it, and you resort back to what you do best...complain about bullshit you know absolutely nothing about....ignorance is bliss...you must be a pretty happy camper...
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Billionaires fund the global warming idiots too.

Bill Gates, Ted Turner. . .

Soros. . . .


You act like the "global warming" people aren't bought and paid for, when they are.

In fact, I am VERY glad someone is funding real climate reseach.

THE GOVERNMENT WILL ONLY FUND GREEN PROPAGANDA.
Now is the time.
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02/17/2013 04:16 PM
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OP,

WHEN HAS CLIMATE EVER NOT CHANGED?

WHO SAYS CLIMATE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO CHANGE?

WHAT IS THE CORRECT TEMPERATURE?
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What happened to the theory that it is the nuclear energy industry that is funding the climate change and carbon dioxide warming the earth propaganda in an effort to get rid of competition in the energy production field?

We don't need nice clean natural gas, we need nuclear energy so we can Fukushima the whole planet.

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