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Billionaires Secretly Fund Vast Climate Denial Network

 
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Well of course the bankers will do whatever it takes to make a buck off of whatever happens, that's just expected behavior!

The point is that the Oil barons paid people to try to hold back the information, ie exactly the kind of paid shills that everyone around here are constantly going on about!

That doesn't make the banker's behavior any less disgusting, but these are two different groups of people huh! Big Oil and Bankers, aka the ruling class of this planet!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314


I would buy in to your bullshit if it were not for one major geological event 17,000 years ago> The last great Ice age which covered most of the north American continent. But wait that sure was a fast melt off back whent there were no Industry to polute the air or even any oil barons!
Oh! The climate warmed up for some reason other than human activity and been warming ever since!

Also what the fuck is climat denial anyway? Oh I got it! Another term that you earth GIA worshipers use to hammer over the head of anyone that will not buy in to your bullshit of humans causing climate change!
One more bit of info for you bozoz thast keep pushing that human activity is causing global warming! All the other planets atmospheres in our solar system are rapidily changing for some unknown reason just in the last 4 decades!

Less I forget the global warming alarmist propagandists getting caught red handed in their e-mails to one another faking enviromental temp data!

 Quoting: Robert49 34239576


How do you deny these things?

[link to www.time.com]


[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: krosty


are you people that stupid?

you people actually WANT more taxes levied on you from something you didn't even cause?
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02/17/2013 08:21 PM
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Oil companies and others with such wealth don't need to fund research, they can simply buy into and corner the market on any new tech.

Bottom line is....YOU WILL PAY
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31928649


Bankers: Swallowed quadrillions in QE bailouts... generate scams, speculate on oil prices driving costs up and can be based offshore in moments. Like to destroy infrastructure to loan money to rebuild.

Oil Companies: Pay Taxes and (possibly) generate quadrillions of national wealth. Need to 'develop' foreign infrastructure if only to secure operations.
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Hey Krosty Go fuck your self. The ice age did happen and that IS a fact all your other so called imperical data is bull shit, and so are you. WORKING CLASS my ass. Peal back your douche bag layers of solidarity and you are nothing but a bitch tit communist. GO GET FUCKED.
krosty

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02/17/2013 08:23 PM
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A perfect example of this are the Athabasca oil sands.

[link to www.oilsandsdevelopers.ca]

This will be the biggest atrocity by humans against mother earth in history.
 Quoting: krosty


got to be kidding
FUKU
(other than all the wars)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2957590


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02/17/2013 08:26 PM
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A perfect example of this are the Athabasca oil sands.

[link to www.oilsandsdevelopers.ca]

This will be the biggest atrocity by humans against mother earth in history.
 Quoting: krosty


Explain why you say that is an "atrocity."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34557048


Because the tailings ponds leak into the groundwater and cause cancer.

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

Need I say more?
 Quoting: krosty


Isn't this beautiful?

Athabasca oil sands
[link to 25.media.tumblr.com]

[link to api.ning.com]
Anonymous Coward
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02/17/2013 08:30 PM
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Thanks for speaking the truth.

All the GLPers are so anxious to read a conspiracy into everything little thing. But when they're presented with evidence that billionaires are lining up to fund their own "scientific research," they line up and support these plutocrats who deny very basic information.

For example, carbon concentrations are higher now than they have ever been in the last 800,000 years. The climate deniers are like a plague, and when the ocean swallows them up they'll probably blame HAARP or some stupid shit like that before ever acknowledging that polluting (believe it or not!) has consequences for human life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2029220


Did oil barons shill against climate change the last Ice age melt off 17,000 years ago?
Thats what I thought! Read a god damn geology book bozo! The earth and it's climate has went through massive temp changes way before human beings were walking the earth!
All the other planets in our solar system are also going through some massive climate changes! Unless you don't keep up with Astrophysics you would know that is a fact also!


Now where is my 120 million dollars dammit! Hahahahahahahahaha!

 Quoting: Robert49 34239576


Geologists are pretty much all in agreement about climate change and how it's transforming the globe. Of course the Earth has gone through many climatic variations. Maybe you should read a "geology book" yourself. My sister is a geologist so I take her word on this subject oner your own.

Plus, I have real doubts you have actually read a real "geology book" in your life, particularly because you seem to suggest that because the climate has varied over billions of years, that somehow humans can't create rapid changes in a few short centuries. You don't even characterize the majority of scientists' correctly, let alone disprove anything I said.

Here;s a sentence you wrote:

"Did oil barons shill against climate change the last Ice age melt off 17,000 years ago?"

I have no idea what the fuck you're even saying there.
krosty

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Hey Krosty Go fuck your self. The ice age did happen and that IS a fact all your other so called imperical data is bull shit, and so are you. WORKING CLASS my ass. Peal back your douche bag layers of solidarity and you are nothing but a bitch tit communist. GO GET FUCKED.
 Quoting: vassago1


Climate change at this abnormal rate correlated with the industrial revolution is just a coincidence?

Go move to Alberta Canada and be sure to drink 9 glasses of water a day, dipshit.

[link to www.businessinsider.com]
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A perfect example of this are the Athabasca oil sands.

[link to www.oilsandsdevelopers.ca]

This will be the biggest atrocity by humans against mother earth in history.
 Quoting: krosty


Explain why you say that is an "atrocity."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34557048


Because the tailings ponds leak into the groundwater and cause cancer.

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

Need I say more?
 Quoting: krosty


Isn't this beautiful?

Athabasca oil sands
[link to 25.media.tumblr.com]

[link to api.ning.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33832742


Well you should stop supporting it then... your computer used twice its weight in OIL to make it.
And no hemp can't be used to make a computer stoner.
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02/17/2013 08:38 PM
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Explain why you say that is an "atrocity."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34557048


Because the tailings ponds leak into the groundwater and cause cancer.

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

Need I say more?
 Quoting: krosty


Isn't this beautiful?

Athabasca oil sands
[link to 25.media.tumblr.com]

[link to api.ning.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33832742


Well you should stop supporting it then... your computer used twice its weight in OIL to make it.
And no hemp can't be used to make a computer stoner.
 Quoting: Steve8511


Lol oh no, TWICE its weight in oil! That's, like, 1/25th of one barrel of oil! As I'm sure you know, COMPUTERS are the REAL thing driving demand for oil!!
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Explain why you say that is an "atrocity."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34557048


Because the tailings ponds leak into the groundwater and cause cancer.

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

Need I say more?
 Quoting: krosty


Isn't this beautiful?

Athabasca oil sands
[link to 25.media.tumblr.com]

[link to api.ning.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33832742


Well you should stop supporting it then... your computer used twice its weight in OIL to make it.
And no hemp can't be used to make a computer stoner.
 Quoting: Steve8511


Shut up and go for a drive over to the gas station in your V8 Chevy truck.
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02/17/2013 08:43 PM
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If you climate deniers really want to put your money where your mouth is, buy some beach-front property in the Maldives, or any other low-lying coastal region. I'm sure the investment will really pay off... right?

I haven't seen any of them put their money where their mouth is so I'm assuming all their blathering is just big talk with no substance.
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02/17/2013 08:45 PM
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If burning oil is bad, is burning coal also bad?
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If you climate deniers really want to put your money where your mouth is, buy some beach-front property in the Maldives, or any other low-lying coastal region. I'm sure the investment will really pay off... right?

I haven't seen any of them put their money where their mouth is so I'm assuming all their blathering is just big talk with no substance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2029220


Dumbdumb, if every bit of ice on the planet melted, how much would sea levels rise?
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So, it seems we were right about there being corporate shills working for the oil conglomerates!


[link to science.slashdot.org]

Conservative billionaires used a secretive funding route to channel nearly $120 million to more than 100 groups casting doubt about the science behind climate change
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314
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Oh, for fuck's sake ...


There's a multi-billion industry trying to sponge off the
media-created hysteria of Global Warming.


From mandating dangerous clown cars to funding money-losing
solar power farms, Global Warming is the biggest scam ever
perpetrated on the population of earth!



Gore-GW-snow

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Bucephelus
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So, it seems we were right about there being corporate shills working for the oil conglomerates!


[link to science.slashdot.org]

Conservative billionaires used a secretive funding route to channel nearly $120 million to more than 100 groups casting doubt about the science behind climate change
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314


bsflag

What in the World Are They Spraying?

[link to youtu.be]
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If you climate deniers really want to put your money where your mouth is, buy some beach-front property in the Maldives, or any other low-lying coastal region. I'm sure the investment will really pay off... right?

I haven't seen any of them put their money where their mouth is so I'm assuming all their blathering is just big talk with no substance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2029220


Unlike you, we are not fat-cat Democrats with money to burn.
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Hey Krosty Go fuck your self. The ice age did happen and that IS a fact all your other so called imperical data is bull shit, and so are you. WORKING CLASS my ass. Peal back your douche bag layers of solidarity and you are nothing but a bitch tit communist. GO GET FUCKED.
 Quoting: vassago1


Climate change at this abnormal rate correlated with the industrial revolution is just a coincidence?

Go move to Alberta Canada and be sure to drink 9 glasses of water a day, dipshit.

[link to www.businessinsider.com]
 Quoting: krosty


Your link stirs as much emotion as a new mall over a forest IMO.

If you are using the so-called "football" graph to say the industrial revolution was the start of it all... it has been dis-proven. The data was suddenly lost when it was called for study.
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Well of course the bankers will do whatever it takes to make a buck off of whatever happens, that's just expected behavior!

The point is that the Oil barons paid people to try to hold back the information, ie exactly the kind of paid shills that everyone around here are constantly going on about!

That doesn't make the banker's behavior any less disgusting, but these are two different groups of people huh! Big Oil and Bankers, aka the ruling class of this planet!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314


I would buy in to your bullshit if it were not for one major geological event 17,000 years ago> The last great Ice age which covered most of the north American continent. But wait that sure was a fast melt off back whent there were no Industry to polute the air or even any oil barons!
Oh! The climate warmed up for some reason other than human activity and been warming ever since!

Also what the fuck is climat denial anyway? Oh I got it! Another term that you earth GIA worshipers use to hammer over the head of anyone that will not buy in to your bullshit of humans causing climate change!
One more bit of info for you bozoz thast keep pushing that human activity is causing global warming! All the other planets atmospheres in our solar system are rapidily changing for some unknown reason just in the last 4 decades!

Less I forget the global warming alarmist propagandists getting caught red handed in their e-mails to one another faking enviromental temp data!

 Quoting: Robert49 34239576


How retarded are you? You seem to think that people who think climate change is real "don't know" that the Earth was warmer and colder at various points. WE DO KNOW THAT IMBECILE. There is a term called "snowball Earth" which refers to multiple periods during the Earth's history in which the ice sheets from the Arctic and Antarctic spread out to the equator! There, does that prove to you that I "know" the Earth goes through natural climate change through geologic periods?

OK, here comes the part where I'm going to try to explain this so even you can understand.

What ALMOST ALL scientists say is that humans are accelerating natural climate change artificially by pumping out billions and billions of tons of greenhouse gases, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, carbon.

Again, and I can't stress this enough - we UNDERSTAND that the Earth changes naturally over geologic time. GEOLOGIC time.

Humans are accelerating what should be a much slower, progressive climate change and increasing the temperature of the Earth RAPIDLY. So much so that, if left unchecked, the temperature of the Earth could increase by 6 Celsius by the end of the 21st century. That is NOT something that happens as part natural climate change that takes place over thousands of years. Humans, animals, and ecosystems are NOT going to be able to adapt quickly enough to change that takes place that quickly.

Even Bush's Pentagon in 2004 said that climate change is going to pose more of a threat to human civilization than terrorism is. Look it up if you don't believe me, but GLP won't let me post Guardian articles here.

The bottom line is, you need to understand the arguments your opponents are making before you will ever have even the slightest chance of refuting them.
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If you climate deniers really want to put your money where your mouth is, buy some beach-front property in the Maldives, or any other low-lying coastal region. I'm sure the investment will really pay off... right?

I haven't seen any of them put their money where their mouth is so I'm assuming all their blathering is just big talk with no substance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2029220


If this was all true, they would have abandoned New Orleans.
It's all rubish.....no marked sea level rises...this is all based on a fantasy "what if"....losses of land presently is from EROSION!
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If you climate deniers really want to put your money where your mouth is, buy some beach-front property in the Maldives, or any other low-lying coastal region. I'm sure the investment will really pay off... right?

I haven't seen any of them put their money where their mouth is so I'm assuming all their blathering is just big talk with no substance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2029220


If this was all true, they would have abandoned New Orleans.
It's all rubish.....no marked sea level rises...this is all based on a fantasy "what if"....losses of land presently is from EROSION!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2957590


Oh yeah and N.O. is really roaring back since Katrina. Yep, all back to normal.

OK, so let me just point out the obvious - you're correct! The beaches are being eroded - through the sea level rise caused by the melting of the ice caps!

I'm pretty sure beach "erosion" is one of the effects of climate change. Actually, I'm positive.
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I don't care to argue with stupid people.

Nevertheless, some of the various people on this particular thread are both stupid and dangerous with their views.

Climate change is not a hoax.

Use your brain and look at the science, you small-minded fear mongers. Stop watching faux news and listening to your radio pundits, you are rotting your brain cells away.

Go watch the DOCUMENTARY Chasing Ice, which shows time lapse photos over five years of glaciers worldwide that are vanishing at astonishing rates (the rate of decline in the past ten years is equal to the total of the last 100 years).

Watch the film, then watch your false opinions of climate change disappear as well.

I met the film director last night and he said that climate skeptics attend his film showings planning to heckle and jeer at the film and the audience, and then they sit there after the film in tears because their views have changed and they realize how wrong they were.

The Extreme Ice project was funded by National Geographic and grants.

The movie Chasing Ice was funded simply by family and friends of the young filmmaker pooling their money together to help a kid right out of college to make an award winning film. They got together $685,000, and for the rest of the film, everyone donated their time for several years.

And unlike the people posting on this thread, every one of these film people is out there making a difference in the world.

They are not sitting on their behinds, spewing misleading and false info to people who lack any discerning mental capacity to be able to tell what the truth really is. I'm talking to you, climate change deniers.

You are duped into believing something false. And your views endanger the very planet we live on. WAKE UP.

go to
chasingice.com
watch the trailer, and also read the many reviews of the film.

Then...
WATCH THE FILM.

Also go to the skepticalscience webpage and read there as well.

I don't listen to the conspiracy theorist nutcakes on this subject.

I listen to my scientist friends at JPL Jet Propulsion Lab, and my friends with the top military at Central Command, and my biologist friends who research marine mammals / coral reefs / air quality, and my friends who are the top solar researchers in the world, and none of these people deny climate change or our human involvement in it.

THEY are all working to make a difference.

Do I think that evil businesspeople try to make money off every disaster, including climate issues (for example, the cap and trade b.s.)? Yes.

Nevertheless this is not a "fake" issue, nor is our own human involvement in the issue "fake". The climate deniers are the fake aspect of all this. You are eating the poison of false information.

There are scientists and filmmakers and military and good people out there trying to help the planet, not trying to make a buck off of climate change.

It's just stunning to see such blatant disregard of scientific fact. But then you all thrive on doom and bad news with your teenage ego's. Take your falsehoods, and crawl under a rock somewhere. Quit trying to say that climate change and global warming don't exist, or that there's no human causes to it. Because you're wrong.

You are making life harder for everyone else with your low IQs and biased incorrect 'info'.

Chasing Ice. Watch it.

And then go make a positive difference in the world instead of adding to fear and negativity.
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I don't care to argue with stupid people.

Nevertheless, some of the various people on this particular thread are both stupid and dangerous with their views.

Climate change is not a hoax.

Use your brain and look at the science, you small-minded fear mongers. Stop watching faux news and listening to your radio pundits, you are rotting your brain cells away.

Go watch the DOCUMENTARY Chasing Ice, which shows time lapse photos over five years of glaciers worldwide that are vanishing at astonishing rates (the rate of decline in the past ten years is equal to the total of the last 100 years).

Watch the film, then watch your false opinions of climate change disappear as well.

I met the film director last night and he said that climate skeptics attend his film showings planning to heckle and jeer at the film and the audience, and then they sit there after the film in tears because their views have changed and they realize how wrong they were.

The Extreme Ice project was funded by National Geographic and grants.

The movie Chasing Ice was funded simply by family and friends of the young filmmaker pooling their money together to help a kid right out of college to make an award winning film. They got together $685,000, and for the rest of the film, everyone donated their time for several years.

And unlike the people posting on this thread, every one of these film people is out there making a difference in the world.

They are not sitting on their behinds, spewing misleading and false info to people who lack any discerning mental capacity to be able to tell what the truth really is. I'm talking to you, climate change deniers.

You are duped into believing something false. And your views endanger the very planet we live on. WAKE UP.

go to
chasingice.com
watch the trailer, and also read the many reviews of the film.

Then...
WATCH THE FILM.

Also go to the skepticalscience webpage and read there as well.

I don't listen to the conspiracy theorist nutcakes on this subject.

I listen to my scientist friends at JPL Jet Propulsion Lab, and my friends with the top military at Central Command, and my biologist friends who research marine mammals / coral reefs / air quality, and my friends who are the top solar researchers in the world, and none of these people deny climate change or our human involvement in it.

THEY are all working to make a difference.

Do I think that evil businesspeople try to make money off every disaster, including climate issues (for example, the cap and trade b.s.)? Yes.

Nevertheless this is not a "fake" issue, nor is our own human involvement in the issue "fake". The climate deniers are the fake aspect of all this. You are eating the poison of false information.

There are scientists and filmmakers and military and good people out there trying to help the planet, not trying to make a buck off of climate change.

It's just stunning to see such blatant disregard of scientific fact. But then you all thrive on doom and bad news with your teenage ego's. Take your falsehoods, and crawl under a rock somewhere. Quit trying to say that climate change and global warming don't exist, or that there's no human causes to it. Because you're wrong.

You are making life harder for everyone else with your low IQs and biased incorrect 'info'.

Chasing Ice. Watch it.

And then go make a positive difference in the world instead of adding to fear and negativity.
 Quoting: anonymous 24152041


Thank you. Haven't seen the film but am considering watching it now. Too many of the people here try to dispute mountains of evidence by impugning the motives of one or two scientists (or Al Gore) whose motives are certainly not pure. But the facts speak for themselves. And when the "deniers" are confronted by the fact that the "climate denier" "science" may not be pure as snow either, they don't have a response. Surely they suspected it...? Who knows.

It is amazing how to see how people can be so skeptical of the federal government, multinational corporations, and religious leaders while being so unflinchingly accepting of global warming "studies" funded by Exxon and Shell Oil.
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Wow that's shocking OP!

Guess I better hand over my money to the government and banks so they can change the weather and protect me and the planet.
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This is Agenda 21 people.


In a post a few up OP stated,

"go to
chasingice.com
watch the trailer, and also read the many reviews of the film.

Then...
WATCH THE FILM.


I did and I found as an associated site: 350.org and The Wild Foundation. From that site:

"As the heart of the global wilderness conservation movement, WILD is the only international organization dedicated entirely to protecting wilderness and wild-nature around the world.

Our vision is to protect and interconnect at least half of the planet, land and water, because wild-areas provide essential social, spiritual, biological and economic benefits – Nature Needs Half™. We envision a planet with abundant wildlife and wild places, which produces ample clean water, fresh air and natural resources that support all life. We believe that intact wilderness areas are an essential core element of a healthy modern human society..."

Follow this link to see more:
[link to www.wild.org]


Also 350.org which touts themselves as, "A global movement to solve the climate crisis."

[link to 350.org]

Again this IS AGENDA 21

For any newbies who are unaware of Agenda 21 here you go. Get busy you have some learning to do.

[link to www.green-agenda.com]


OP is clearly a UN-loving shill.
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