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Palestinian-Israeli Conflict For Beginners: How Palestine became Israel

 
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[link to palestineremembered.com]

[link to ifamericansknew.org]

[link to ifamericansknew.org]

[link to lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com]

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Stupid thread is stupid.


Palestine was GEOGRAPHICAL region, encompasing from south Turkey to nother Egypt.

The Kingdoms (states) in the region were the Israelites and the Syrians.There were a number of tribes also, NONE of them named palestinians or anything with "palestine" as root.


Read PROPER history, not religious (muslim) one.
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[link to palestineremembered.com]

[link to ifamericansknew.org]

[link to ifamericansknew.org]

[link to lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com]

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Huh.

Never seen palestine on a map. Sounds made up to me.
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THE HOLOCAUST: A MEMORIAL OF ANOTHER KIND
THE AUTHENTIC JEWISH VOICE HAS ITS SAY!

Religious Jews, survivors and victims of the Holocaust, will for the first time since the founding of the Federal Republic of Germany, make a public appearance in Germany and express their view of history. They contend that the leadership of the Zionist state has no right to exploit the Jewish victims of World War II for their political goals, to evade criticism, or as an "alibi" for the oppression of the Palestinian people. This is especially true since the Palestinian people share no responsibility for the crimes of the Hitler regime.

These religious Jews come to deliver a new message: a plea for justice, together with the religious conviction that God is ultimately behind the steering wheel of history. At the same time, they appeal for a new beginning in relations between Jews and non-Jewish Germans, on the basis of mutual respect.

What lessons do religious Jews learn from the Holocaust? And where does Torah-loyal Judaism stand today on the issue of the slow genocide being committed against the Palestinian people?

The above questions and more will be discussed by the following speakers:

Rabbi Moshe Ber Beck (USA) Holocaust survivor
Rabbi Yisrael David Weiss (USA) Grandparents murdered in Auschwitz
Rabbi Ahron Cohen (UK) Holocaust survivor
Rabbi Jouseph Antebi (Jerusalem, NL, Berlin) Victim of Zionist persecution
Reuven Cabelman (Berlin, Antwerp)
Berlin spokesman for the Neturei Karta International and organizer of the Press Conference
Moderator: Christoph Hörstel (Neue Mitte)

Watch the video here:
[link to www.nkusa.org]

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Back in the day... It was called Canaan.
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On a side note -I still have some old Palestinian bank notes from World War 2. My grandfather fought over there and brought them back.

Interesting shit.
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OP - try finding out what Haj Amin Al Husseni, founder of Fatah/PLO was doing between 1942 and 1945.

Clue - He worked for a guy named Paul Joseph Goebbels....

[link to atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com]

Last Edited by Taruwah on 02/17/2013 01:15 PM
Seek FIRST the Kingdom of YHWH and His knowledge of Good and Bad (righteousness) , for He says "My ways are not thy ways"
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Last time I checked there is no palestine, never was, never was a palestine currency, never was a palesting president, never was anything palestine official.

Now, I understand the hype "palestine" the last 60 years ....

but where are those advocating to create "palestine" but denying the kurds their "kurdistan" ????

Kurds are a people, palestinians are arabs, if there are priorities, then give a state to existing people, arab states are everywhere, that already exists .... .
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Last time I checked there is no palestine, never was, never was a palestine currency, never was a palesting president, never was anything palestine official.

Now, I understand the hype "palestine" the last 60 years ....

but where are those advocating to create "palestine" but denying the kurds their "kurdistan" ????

Kurds are a people, palestinians are arabs, if there are priorities, then give a state to existing people, arab states are everywhere, that already exists .... .
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


Maybe you remove your fancy contact lenses for a moment so you see clearly. Click the link below and you'll see how Palestine gradually became Israel:

[link to ifamericansknew.org]

hf
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Huh.

Never seen palestine on a map. Sounds made up to me.
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Clicky the linky

[link to www.etsy.com]
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I remember the pre-WWII history books that were in my school library. The maps within showed a territory of Palestine where Israel is now but "Palestine" was never a recognized state, it was a tribal region. The Jews there were also referred to as "Palestinians".
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Huh.

Never seen palestine on a map. Sounds made up to me.
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Clicky the linky

[link to www.etsy.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33832742


Here's another, from the British War Office

[link to upload.wikimedia.org]
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Last time I checked there is no palestine, never was, never was a palestine currency, never was a palesting president, never was anything palestine official.

Now, I understand the hype "palestine" the last 60 years ....

but where are those advocating to create "palestine" but denying the kurds their "kurdistan" ????

Kurds are a people, palestinians are arabs, if there are priorities, then give a state to existing people, arab states are everywhere, that already exists .... .
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


Maybe you remove your fancy contact lenses for a moment so you see clearly. Click the link below and you'll see how Palestine gradually became Israel:

[link to ifamericansknew.org]

hf
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No, I don't click on links.

But I can explain you with my own words how this "conflict" erupted. And hint hint hint, it is not the jews, who are to blame.

Read nakba. What does that mean ? It describes the time when the whole arab world declared officially war at the Jews living in what is now known "Israel", and what is know throughout history as "Israel".
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Op is a nazi propagandist!
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All this Swiss-Muzzie is gonna do is copy and paste a bunch of useless bullshit like he did in another thread.
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Op is a nazi propagandist!
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As you seem another brainwashed zionist, you're obviously learn resistant for the Truth, but hey, you're not to blame, poor sheeple ... learn at least to transform your hate, otherwise it will eat you alive ...

hf
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Huh.

Never seen palestine on a map. Sounds made up to me.
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Clicky the linky

[link to www.etsy.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33832742


Here's another, from the British War Office

[link to upload.wikimedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33832742


and another

[link to imagehost.vendio.com]

and another

[link to www.davidrumsey.com]

and another

[link to i44.photobucket.com]

Go to the David Rumsey Historical Map Collection website and type 'Palestine' into the search box.

[link to www.davidrumsey.com]

Never seen palestine on a map. Sounds made up to me.

It would seem your education has been a bit limited.
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All this Swiss-Muzzie is gonna do is copy and paste a bunch of useless bullshit like he did in another thread.
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Same here bro' ... don't like the maps about how Palestine became Israel, hmmmm, well, i fully understand your precarious situation, its a tough life, when you're only confronted with fresh food for thought based on Truth, when confronted with ideas diametrically opposed to your canned brainwashed feces, they fed you with since you've born ... but hey, at least you cannot blame me for your situation ... it only can get better, while you're capable to believe so ... but only then ... work, work, work, pray, pray, pray ... good luck, fellows ...

hf
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Huh.

Never seen palestine on a map. Sounds made up to me.
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Clicky the linky

[link to www.etsy.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33832742


Here's another, from the British War Office

[link to upload.wikimedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33832742


and another

[link to imagehost.vendio.com]

and another

[link to www.davidrumsey.com]

and another

[link to i44.photobucket.com]

Go to the David Rumsey Historical Map Collection website and type 'Palestine' into the search box.

[link to www.davidrumsey.com]

Never seen palestine on a map. Sounds made up to me.

It would seem your education has been a bit limited.
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Have you boys had time to check these out yet?
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The only group of people on the planet who do not recognize Palestine is the delusional ones.
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...


Clicky the linky

[link to www.etsy.com]
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Here's another, from the British War Office

[link to upload.wikimedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33832742


and another

[link to imagehost.vendio.com]

and another

[link to www.davidrumsey.com]

and another

[link to i44.photobucket.com]

Go to the David Rumsey Historical Map Collection website and type 'Palestine' into the search box.

[link to www.davidrumsey.com]

Never seen palestine on a map. Sounds made up to me.

It would seem your education has been a bit limited.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33832742


Have you boys had time to check these out yet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33832742


Did I make all the little Jewboys go away? verysad
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All this Swiss-Muzzie is gonna do is copy and paste a bunch of useless bullshit like he did in another thread.
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Same here bro' ... don't like the maps about how Palestine became Israel, hmmmm, well, i fully understand your precarious situation, its a tough life, when you're only confronted with fresh food for thought based on Truth, when confronted with ideas diametrically opposed to your canned brainwashed feces, they fed you with since you've born ... but hey, at least you cannot blame me for your situation ... it only can get better, while you're capable to believe so ... but only then ... work, work, work, pray, pray, pray ... good luck, fellows ...

hf
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Last time I checked there is no palestine, never was, never was a palestine currency, never was a palesting president, never was anything palestine official.

Now, I understand the hype "palestine" the last 60 years ....

but where are those advocating to create "palestine" but denying the kurds their "kurdistan" ????

Kurds are a people, palestinians are arabs, if there are priorities, then give a state to existing people, arab states are everywhere, that already exists .... .
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


Maybe you remove your fancy contact lenses for a moment so you see clearly. Click the link below and you'll see how Palestine gradually became Israel:

[link to ifamericansknew.org]

hf
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No, I don't click on links.

But I can explain you with my own words how this "conflict" erupted. And hint hint hint, it is not the jews, who are to blame.

Read nakba. What does that mean ? It describes the time when the whole arab world declared officially war at the Jews living in what is now known "Israel", and what is know throughout history as "Israel".
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


At least you managed to click yourself through here, that's most important, so you won't miss the next gem from the golden chain of Truth, enjoy your meal, you must be very hungry ...


The Rabbis Speak Out: The 130 Year Record of Religious Jewish Opposition to Zionism

Introduction

The Jews have always been religious people who lived with belief and trust in the Almighty. In their long history, they have gone through many different periods. There were times when they had their own land, sanctioned by the command of the Almighty. At other times, such as in the current era, they have been in exile.

In the course of the two thousand years of this current exile, following the destruction of the Temple, Jews have remained faithful to the Almighty. Knowing that their exile was His will and His decree, they have always accepted it, and have not risen up to fight with other nations or dominate them. They have lived loyally under whatever governments they happened to live.

The past century has seen the rise of the Zionist philosophy, which transforms Judaism from a religion to a nationalism, from spirituality to materialism. (The word “Zion” was used by the prophets as a name for Jerusalem. The secular nationalists borrowed the name for their movement, whose goal was to take over Jerusalem.) The Zionists convinced a segment of world Jewry to leave behind their faith in the Almighty, not to trust in His security, and to take matters into their own hands. They forced their way out of exile and built a “Jewish” state. This act in itself was a severe violation of the Torah, which forbids Jews to found their own state before the coming of the messiah.

The act is doubly sinful when we consider that they founded their state in the land already inhabited by the Palestinian people. They cruelly expelled, murdered and persecuted the Palestinians, and stole their land – all terrible crimes in the eyes of the Torah.

Zionism, starting from its founding day in the year 1897, aroused sharp condemnation from all the Rabbis, both in Palestine and around the world. All of religious Jewry was united in its opposition to this dangerous new movement, and fought it fiercely. The result was that Zionism took hold almost exclusively among non-religious Jews. And were it not for the tremendous downfall of Jewry in the Second World War, Zionism could never have conquered any part of religious Jewry. In the War, which preceded the establishment of the Zionist state by only a few years, the Jewish people was torn to pieces and lost almost all its greatest Rabbinical leaders. Many Jews lost their faith and felt defenseless and vulnerable, and they were taken in by the Zionists‟ promises to “defend the Jewish people.”

In this publication, we bring some excerpts from words of the Rabbis of past and present generations on Zionism. These are the Rabbis, giants of Judaism, by whose light religious Jews walk to this day. As the reader will see, they were totally opposed to the ideology of Zionism, the existence of the State of “Israel”, the Zionists and all of their acts.

We must note that many of the rabbis quoted here lived before the founding of the Zionist state, and although the Zionists even then had a long record of cruelty and brutality to the Palestinians, their intentions and actions were not widely known. In fact, the Zionists took care to present themselves as a movement to purchase land and settle in Palestine, not as a movement to make wars with other peoples and displace them. Therefore, the rabbis of that period focused their opposition on the Zionists‟ violations of the Torah and their rebellion against the Almighty‟s decree of exile.

Even in the period after 1948, the Zionists‟ crimes against the indigenous people of Palestine received almost no coverage in the international media and thus most of the Rabbis did not know about them. In the State of “Israel” itself, the Zionists understandably did not want to arouse public opinion and therefore their media, for many years, did not report on the plight of the Palestinian people; they forcibly blacked out any coverage of their own atrocities. It has only been in the last two or three decades, starting approximately with the Lebanon War of 1982, that the Western world has gained an awareness of these issues. This awareness is reflected in the words of the Rabbis of the most recent period.

We hope and wait for the day when the Almighty‟s glory will be revealed, “the earth will be full of knowledge of the Almighty” (Isaiah 11:9) and “the Almighty will be king over all the earth” (Zachariah 14:9). Then there will be a spiritual revolution in the entire world, and the Almighty will redeem all Peoples, as we say in our prayers, “All the nations will become one organization to do Your will with their whole heart.” And in the words of the Psalms (102:23), “Nations and governments will gather together to serve the Almighty.” May it be soon, in our days, amen.

Rabbi Yehoshua Leib Diskin, rabbi of Brisk,Lithuaniaand later rabbi of Jerusalem (1817-1878)

Continue to read:
[link to www.nkusa.org]

hf
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All this Swiss-Muzzie is gonna do is copy and paste a bunch of useless bullshit like he did in another thread.
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Same here bro' ... don't like the maps about how Palestine became Israel, hmmmm, well, i fully understand your precarious situation, its a tough life, when you're only confronted with fresh food for thought based on Truth, when confronted with ideas diametrically opposed to your canned brainwashed feces, they fed you with since you've born ... but hey, at least you cannot blame me for your situation ... it only can get better, while you're capable to believe so ... but only then ... work, work, work, pray, pray, pray ... good luck, fellows ...

hf
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WHAT A BuNCH OF CRAP!!!!
that video failed to communicate that israel has killed unarmed civilians since 1948, you know if you want to avoid another holocaust then maybe, perhaps you should STOP KiLLiNG PEOPLE, just use your brain for christs sakes, that way you can stop whining about hamas, hezbollah, you know something hamas & hezbollaah have BALLS in my opinion, they're the only ones fighting the CRIMINAL israelis that stole palestine
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David Horowitz, "former Marxist"



Kinda like being a "former" CIA agent. It's funny how these shiny new neo-cons are all "former" commies.
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All this Swiss-Muzzie is gonna do is copy and paste a bunch of useless bullshit like he did in another thread.
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Same here bro' ... don't like the maps about how Palestine became Israel, hmmmm, well, i fully understand your precarious situation, its a tough life, when you're only confronted with fresh food for thought based on Truth, when confronted with ideas diametrically opposed to your canned brainwashed feces, they fed you with since you've born ... but hey, at least you cannot blame me for your situation ... it only can get better, while you're capable to believe so ... but only then ... work, work, work, pray, pray, pray ... good luck, fellows ...

hf
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The world needs a proper two state solution in the middle east. A fully autarkic Palestinian State and a fully autarkic Zionist State. The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine from 1948 should be the blue print for the borders between the two countries. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

The hostility between the countries should be smoothed by investing heavily in infrastructure projects in Palestine and Israel in order to focus on construction and the creation of two paradises, so the people may forget a little bit their ugly past, to have enough room for forgiveness - on both sides.

Peace hf
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Last time I checked there is no palestine, never was, never was a palestine currency, never was a palesting president, never was anything palestine official.

Now, I understand the hype "palestine" the last 60 years ....

but where are those advocating to create "palestine" but denying the kurds their "kurdistan" ????

Kurds are a people, palestinians are arabs, if there are priorities, then give a state to existing people, arab states are everywhere, that already exists .... .
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


Maybe you remove your fancy contact lenses for a moment so you see clearly. Click the link below and you'll see how Palestine gradually became Israel:

[link to ifamericansknew.org]

hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34597640


No, I don't click on links.

But I can explain you with my own words how this "conflict" erupted. And hint hint hint, it is not the jews, who are to blame.

Read nakba. What does that mean ? It describes the time when the whole arab world declared officially war at the Jews living in what is now known "Israel", and what is know throughout history as "Israel".
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


At least you managed to click yourself through here, that's most important, so you won't miss the next gem from the golden chain of Truth, enjoy your meal, you must be very hungry ...


The Rabbis Speak Out: The 130 Year Record of Religious Jewish Opposition to Zionism

Introduction

hf
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You know, I am already 45 years old, in my live up until now, I did answer myself some questions, I already looked up things, and I thought with my own mind.

You can think with your own mind and come to other conclusions, I accept yours, no problem.

I myself do not see this conflict like some jews and some arabs fighting for superiority on some tiny stretch of land and we, the bystanders, choose between the ones suffering and the ones winning. I do not see this like this.

This conflict is rather the manifestation between the fight of good and evil on this earth, this war is fought in your heart, in your daily life, in everyones daily life, between different philosphies, in culture, in cosmos in all sourrounding us, and in the basic question what is right and what is wrong:

We say, the individual matters, everyone matters, every person is unique and in itself everyone has the the way go to god.

They say, the individual does not matter, the whole matters, women don't matter, only imams know the way to god. Follow imams, if you don't, you are sanctioned, killed, or put outside you society.

Now you can post links to some stupid sites, I don't care. I don't even care what you think of this, you can think what you want. At the end of all, you will choose between good and evil. And your personal history up until that moment, will be, and rest your personal history and in the heavans, for all to read.

Good nite.
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[link to www.youtube.com (secure)] uses the palistinian people for propoganda. They are suffering because islam wants them to suffer so they can blame the jews and exterminate them. Then when that is done they will continue there quest for world domination.
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Maybe you remove your fancy contact lenses for a moment so you see clearly. Click the link below and you'll see how Palestine gradually became Israel:

[link to ifamericansknew.org]

hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34597640


No, I don't click on links.

But I can explain you with my own words how this "conflict" erupted. And hint hint hint, it is not the jews, who are to blame.

Read nakba. What does that mean ? It describes the time when the whole arab world declared officially war at the Jews living in what is now known "Israel", and what is know throughout history as "Israel".
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


At least you managed to click yourself through here, that's most important, so you won't miss the next gem from the golden chain of Truth, enjoy your meal, you must be very hungry ...


The Rabbis Speak Out: The 130 Year Record of Religious Jewish Opposition to Zionism

Introduction

hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34597640


You know, I am already 45 years old, in my live up until now, I did answer myself some questions, I already looked up things, and I thought with my own mind.

You can think with your own mind and come to other conclusions, I accept yours, no problem.

I myself do not see this conflict like some jews and some arabs fighting for superiority on some tiny stretch of land and we, the bystanders, choose between the ones suffering and the ones winning. I do not see this like this.

This conflict is rather the manifestation between the fight of good and evil on this earth, this war is fought in your heart, in your daily life, in everyones daily life, between different philosphies, in culture, in cosmos in all sourrounding us, and in the basic question what is right and what is wrong:

We say, the individual matters, everyone matters, every person is unique and in itself everyone has the the way go to god.

They say, the individual does not matter, the whole matters, women don't matter, only imams know the way to god. Follow imams, if you don't, you are sanctioned, killed, or put outside you society.

Now you can post links to some stupid sites, I don't care. I don't even care what you think of this, you can think what you want. At the end of all, you will choose between good and evil. And your personal history up until that moment, will be, and rest your personal history and in the heavans, for all to read.

Good nite.
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A very interesting subject you just touched, i hope you don't mind if i add some more informations to what was said ...

Know how to use your energies

If you read the great Book of Living Nature you will realize that, in order to evolve satisfactorily, it is essential to know exactly where one's energies go, what one spends them on, what use one makes of them. This is just one more area in which human beings do not have the light they need.

They squander their energies frivolously and unthinkingly on whatever takes their fancy. But to live in ignorance of how to use one's energies makes it virually impossible to advance and evolve. We are responsible for our energies; Heaven has not given them to us so that we can waste them, and the use we make of them will be noted on our record. The Book of Living Nature says, "Blessed are those who devote all their physical, emotional and mental energies to working for the good of mankind and for the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness."

A close look at human beings will show you that they are not really aware of all the energy that has been given to them so that they may live. They have no idea how precious it is, how much the Lord values it, where it comes from or what it has cost nature to manufacture it for them. It is in things like this that one sees that man is not very highly evolved, for he wastes his energies on fits of anger, orgies of sensuality and selfish, criminal activities without realizing that, in this way, all that priceless treasure goes to feed forces of Hell. If I told you that it was human beings that nourished the forces of Hell you would be astonished, and yet this is the truth. Out of ignorance, most human beings spend their lives nourishing, sustaining and supporting Hell. They never been told that they are responsible for the way in which they use their energies - and it is not at University that they are going to learn this.

One of the first tasks of a disciple is to become conscious of how he spends his energies, for they have been carefully counted, weighed and measured.

When Heaven sees someone wasting his energies in harmful activities, it shuts off the supply. It says, "That man is dangerous; he has got to be put out of action." Do you know, for example, why some people are drunkards? It is because the Invisible World chose that way to render them harmless. If they were in full possession of their faculties they would use their destructive energies to create havoc in the world, but their abuse of alcohol chloroforms and stupefies them. They are incapable of doing any harm. This is not true in every case, of course; there are all kinds of reasons why people become alcoholics.

You should continually be aware of how you are using your energies, continually ask yourself to what purpose, in what direction you are using them. There is nothing more important than this, for Heaven watches you and sees what you are doing with all that wealth it has entrusted to you, whether you are using it for purely selfish purposes or for a divine purpose. That is the question. If you ask yourself this question lucidly every day, many things within you will improve unbelievably. To be sure, you will not succeed in bringing everything into line from one day to the next, but at least you will learn to be conscious. Never forget that without this consciousness you will continue to be subject to karma.

As long as you have still not consciously taken control of your life and started to synchronize the vibrations of every particle of your being with the vibrations of the divine world, you will be subject to the blind forces of nature. This is the situation of most human beings, because no one has ever shown them the importance of working on their inner life. It is of vital importance to realize that, if you oppose Cosmic Intelligence with a way of life contrary to Its design, you will progressively disintegrate until there is nothing left of you. Perhaps you will exclaim at the cruelty of Cosmic Intelligence in destroying those who reject Its laws, but the truth is that it is not Cosmic Intelligence that destoys people. It has never wished to destroy anyone. But if a man is stupid enough to pit himself against Immensity, the forces opposing him are so powerful that he will, inevitably, be torn to pieces. It is only to be expected. If one puny human being tries to stand up to a whole army, he will soon be wiped out. If an insect batters itself against a window-pane until it knocks itself out, is it the fault of the window? Men behave like insects: they pit their strength against the divine law, against the splendour of the universe... they love a good fight! But they are heading straight for destruction and it will not be God who destroys them, but themselves.

A disciple must seek, first and foremost, to attune himself to Cosmic Intelligence. Every day, he must try to vibrate in harmony with this Immensity, to melt into It, to open himself to It, to let himself be caught up and swept away by It. The only way to do this is by love, for the only way to become one with another being is to love them. This is why Jesus said, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength." God does not need our love, He can get along very well without it. It is we who need to love Him; it is to our advantage. Jesus did not say, "Think of the Lord, unite yourselves to Him, do His will". He simply said, "You shall love the Lord your God", because only those who love each other can be in tune with each other.

And this is what I am saying, also, when I ask you to attune yourselves every day to that Supreme Intelligence, to act in accordance with His will without even knowing exactly what it is. We often do not know what God's will is, but we should always be ready to do it whatever it may be. That is what love is. When you love someone you are always in harmony with him; even before you know what he is going to ask of you, you are ready to trust him and do everything in your power to please him.

Amongst all the things I tell you, there are some points that you should think about every day and others that may apply only in certain circumstances. What I am telling you, today, about how you use your energies, is one of the things that you must note down and think about every single day, for I shall not always be there to remind you of it. There are great many things that you can leave to one side, but this is not one of them. Every day, in all the different circumstances in which you find yourself, you are asked to be conscious of how you are using your energies. You can do this wherever you are: in the street, on the but, at the dentist's, in your own kitchen - wherever you are you can glance into yourself and ask yourself, "Let's see, if I do this or that, what is it going to cost me? Ah, I can see that I shall be feeding the swine with all that is most pure and divine in me. No, I'm certainly not going to commit myself in that direction. I don't intend to spend my energies on bringing back the dead." As Jesus said, "Follow me and let the dead bury their own dead."

As you see, it is essential to be clear about the work to which we must devote our energies. I cannot insist too much on this point.

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Another gem ...

Evil is limited, Good is limitless

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The problem of the personality and the individuality is one that lasts all our life... not only this lifetime but all our earthly incarnations. We often beleive we are being inspired from above when it is really only the personality trying to lure us into trouble. The individuality does its best to warn us of the consequences of listening to the personality, the inevitable consequences, but we prefer not to hear. That is the reason we should learn to observe ourselves all the time, ceaselessly inspecting each idea, each desire and impulse that occurs to us in order to determine their nature and the nature of the consequences entailed. Unfortunately most people prefer to let themselves go along with the personality instead of avoiding its advice, with the result that sooner or later they suffer, sooner or later they are faced with remorse and disillusionment. If you could see into people's hearts and hear their confessions, as I do, you would be appalled. I often am. The things I hear make me realize how ignorant most human beings are concerning their two natures and the respective manifestations of each.

A man thinks for instance, that he is the one to benefit when he satisfies his lower desires, but it is not so. It is other entities, whichever ones he has chosen to work for who benefit, but he does not see this until later, too late, when he has lost all his joy, his strength, his inspiration. The time comes when he realizes that he has spent his whole life working not for himself but for the personality and its friends, myriad invisible entities that surroung him without his knowing it, feeding on him as he gratifies their wishes. Then also comes the realization that he has left the immortal part of his being, his higher Self, to starve to death. Many entities feast on humans, too many to describe here. We have inherited them along with other things from the past and we drag them around with us as generations have done before us. If we could only see these entities, we would stop letting them take advantage of us and start working for beneficient creatures, the ones who would, on the contrary, increase our wealth and power, our real heritage.

Anyone who learns to observe himself discovers that after giving in to his desires, he feels robbed of all strength, lucidity, peace of mind... proving that others, not we, are the ones to benefit from our lower actions. If we were clairvoyant we would see millions and millions of entities who use us as they will, robbing us of our energy. I met a writer once who had an exaggerated idea of his importance as a result of having had a novel published, and I touched on this question of man and his two natures, divine and animal. When he heard me say that creatures in the invisible world treat humans the way humans have always treated animals, he became highly indigant; “What nonsense!” he cried, “I don't beleive a word of it”. I stared at him thinking that for a writer of note he was not terribly perspicacious, for what I had said was true. Men consider it perfectly normal to make slaves of animals, to skin them and sell their furs, kill them and sell their meat, without asking the animal's opinion! If they did, animals would have a lot to say on the subject of human cruelty and injustice. Is it then so incredible for other creatures to treat us the same way? Is it not logical? We are thrown a scrap to eat, we are used to labour in the fields, and in the end we are cut up into ham and sausages for supper! If we could see into the invisible world we would realize that all the nations, peoples and tribes of the world's history are represented, some of whom have little or no regard for humans and use them as we use animals... they drive them too hard, they sell them and skin them and kill them and devour them. This will one day be a recognized fact... in the meanwhile you have the privilege of being the first to know.

Now do you see how important it is to observe yourself, to analyze your thoughts, desires, hopes and plans for the future, inspecting them as a jeweller sorts out the gems tha are flawless from those of no value? When it comes to things like food, clothing, objets d'art, fruit or plants or flowers, men know a great deal about the different degrees of quality, and they admire qualities in people and things which are superior, they make a point of distinguishing between superior and inferior. It is not that some people prefer poverty to wealth, ugly women to pretty ones, rags to finery, no, what I am saying is that the Initiates base their knowledge on observation and they all agree that superior degrees, higher worlds exist, and that there is no limit to good, to excellence, we can always go higher. You cannot say about someone's intelligence, “Ah, he has reached the height of intelligence, he is wisest”, for there is no limit to wisdom or beauty, or goodness, or love. They are limitless and can be increased, augmented and perfected all the way to Infinity.

What about the opposite, things such as illness, misery, ugliness? Are inferior things also limitless and capable of expanding all the way to Infinity? No, there is a limit to evil, proven in physics by the fact that heat rises from 0 degrees celsius, to infinity, whereas cold cannot go lower than 273 degrees celsius below. The frozen particles block each other and pile up; when movement stops, the limit has been reached. Heat does the contrary, it dilates and expands the body, stirs the particles into movement and pushes back the limits of space. Space is infinite, it cannot be limited. We beleive ourselves limited because we have never tried to go beyond our own experience, we think we are limited in space but we are wrong: above there is no limit.

That is what led me to the conclusion that evil is limited in both time and space. God did not intend evil to endure. He did not endow it with lasting power as He did good: the power of good is unlimited. That is the difference between good and evil, the only real difference. People beleive them to be equally strong but they are not. The forces of Hell are not equal to the forces of Heaven. Therefore, in electing to go toward the positive pole, you enter into the realm of unlimited time and space, Infinity and Eternity, God Himself.

Morally therefore, we could say that those who choose the downward path, the personality and its weaknesses, disorder and chaos, are in fact choosing death and destruction. Little by little they are forced to disappear, they die because they are too tightly jammed together where there is no room: at the bottom of the inverted cone... where they can neither move nor breathe. The way of individuality, the ascending path, gives them more and more freedom as they climb into the vast regions of space. All truly intelligent people choose that path, in order to avoid colliding with others and creating situations in which they are wounded and wound others. The alternative is to climb high into unlimited space and... freedom. The path leading downward limits one more and more until there is no alternative to destroying one another in the fight for space which is so vital.

If you try living for a day or two in complete chaos, you will see that one by one all your luminous, positive and beneficient forces leave you, while other, negative presences take their place: you find yourself in the dark, weighed down, uninspired and rigid. When you feel that way, you can be sure (it is a warning) that the space around you is shrinking.

You know what it is like to be caught in a crowd in the street, the theatre, the underground, you feel trapped, afraid of suffocating to death... and when at last you emerge onto the street, you heave a sigh of relief at being able to breathe freely again. Well, the same thing happens in the spiritual world. It is strange that these experiences are common to all of us yet we never seem to learn from them, nor act upon them. If you have a feeling you are trapped, pushed in a corner, you must say to yourself immediatly, “Oh! I must have taken a wrong turning, I have lost my way! Now I will do everything to get back on the right path...” We all become lost now and then for a few hours... or days, or years... yes, everyone. But how many realize that this language can be interpreted and interpreted correctly? The language itself is clear but you there has been no one to explain it to you, parents and professors do not give instruction of that kind. In the Teaching of the Great Universal White Brotherhood, you are shown the Truth in order to help you to create your future, the future you have decided upon. Analyze yourself: how often do you feel (not by chance) that, although you may not be trapped in a crowd physically, you may be in your own room at the time, and yet you are assailed by some unknown force that tourments you, something dark and strange that tries to crush you and rob you of your strength. It is because you have let yourself slide downward, backward, and now you must get back on the right track.

If we are so ignorant as to be deaf to all warnings, if we are blind to our situation, it will get worse: as in quicksand, the more we try to extricate ourselves by struggling the more firmly we become embedded: our feet find no firm ground. Do you find yourself in a swamp infested with mosquitos and hornets and other tormentors? How can you expect them not to sting and bit, you are on their territory! You shouldn't be in those regions anyway, why did you wander so far afield? Those creatures have every right to resent your presence, it is their kingdom and they belong there, whereas you do not. You have taken a wrong turning. Now you must get back on the right path by obeying the laws of Nature and then the things that torment you, your difficulties and disillusionment, will vanish... or at least become insignificant enough to be handled with ease.

So many more things to say on the subject of the personality, but the most important of all is to remember that the personality is closely linked to the creatures of the underground. Although other creatures exist in those regions also who are devoted workers, devas, most inhabitants of the lower world are not very far along in their evolution, still in the dark, still egoistical and obediant to personality. Whoever listens to the advice of the personality is vulnerale to the pernicious influence of these creatures, and in time becomes bound and limited... in chains.

I would like to add at this point that it is not necessary to get rid of the personality completely, to annihilate it... no, that is not the way to be free of it. The personality is there for an important reason: it provides the matter we must have to do the task we are called upon to perform, here on earth. Like a rich old granny who holds the puse strings, the personality has a store of treasures, a fortune in the bank, but it cannot be trusted as far as it is concerned, it is too short-sighted, too self-centered, too selfish... but if you put it to work at what it does well, then it will accomplish wonders for you, as no one else can. It holds the key to the safe, to the larder, the cupboards, and you must not kill it! It will be useful to you if you make it listen to you, if you control it, rathen than the contrary. People think they are masters of themselves when actually it is the personality which is in control of them! I see that situation so often that I have made a study of it at first hand... where do you think I learn these things I talk to you about if not by analyzing myself, oberving myself? I notice the smallest details. It is not essential actually to experience things, to run the risk of losing oneself in order to study the effect of certain experiences. Why do people rush to investigate all that is dangerous, negative, corrupt and immoral, instead of examinating them from a distance without becoming involved and damaging themselves? You needn't be a victim to understand something and draw conclusions! People, especially young people, insist on experimenting everything to the very bottom, the depths, not once but a hundred times, totally oblivious of the fact that they are exhausting their ressources and will have nothing left when they are called upon to undergo higher experiences. If you think you can decide to turn to the light and learn about the luminous celestial spheres and taste the splendours of spiritual life after wallowing in filth all your life, you are mistaken. If you have used all your ressources you will not have the slightest chance of rising above the conditions you yourself have created.

Once you have wasted all your energies on experiments in the lower world you cannot expect to be allowed to have divine experiences in the higher world. To think you are free to do as you like once you are morally bankrupt, shows how little you know of the Science of Life. Without the essential purity and freshness, energy and suppleness and intensity, you cannot open the door to Heaven. You think that even when you are dirty and corrupt Heaven will open its doors to you? How ignorant are you! No one ever has, only those few who barely skimmed throught the lower world, refusing to sink into the mire, and who climbed back up as soon as they could to make amends for their mistakes and re-establish the vital current between them and the divine world, are able to have divine experiences. If what you want is the lower kind of experiences, then I say, “Go ahead! But I will be curious to see the results, what you will do afterwards.” Nothing, that is all that will be left for you, it will be all over as far as you are concerned.

Good cannot be limited, good is limitless, which is why I think one of the best definitions of God is, “Wherever there are no limits, where Infinity and Eternity and Immortality exist, that is where God is.” Nothing that is limited by time and space is God, nor can it represent Him. Like heat, good has no limit to how far it can rise, millions and millions of degrees, who knows how far. Last year at the World Fair in Montreal I saw the most extraordinary instrument in the Russian Pavilion designed to heat chemical and organic matter (and also plasma) to many millions of degrees.

If scientists had a correct vision of things they would see that Nature long ago established a scale of values with higher and lower qualities, which proves that there are two possible directions for all things to go in, one which is limitless and goes on all the way to Infinity and another which is evil and is limited. If you have never come to any conclusion concerning heat and cold it is because you do not know how to read Nature's Book, you don't understand her language.

Everything in the world below is a reflection of something in the world above. If you reason properly... yes, but your brain cannot reason properly, it is warped and destroyed by what you have learned, the habits you have aquired and inherited from your family, from the world, from the education you were given. It is the same for me, except that I have been working for a long time to get rid of all the old distorded ways and, if you do the same and drop old ways in favour of new ones, you will then see things as I do and make the same discoveries. You cannot deny the truth of these things I reveal to you every day, for they have existed since the beginning of time. People do not realize they exist because they are deformed by present-day culture. We must, therefore, either become detached from it or else resign ourselves to going through an entire lifetime without making any discoveries at all. As for me, I swim in the great truths I have discovered and which I cannot yet reveal to you, for until you have detached yourself from all the false concepts youn inherited you will be able neither to understand nor accept them.

Imagine if you will a piece of paper on which there are two drawings, one sketched in red ink and one in green ink. You are handed a pair of glasses with which to examine them. If the glasses are red, you will not be able to perceive the red drawing, because red on red does not show up... and you will see only the green drawing which may be quite ordinary, even ugly. Now someone hands you spectacles that are green, and you are able to perceive the red drawing... whereupon you cry, ”Well, but that is not the way it's always been... I am not used to this!” It has always been “that way”, but the spectacles you were given to wear kept you from seeing the reality. For instance, when you look at Nature, the stars, trees, mountains and so on, what you see is an outline, is it not? Well, there is another outline behind the one you see. The spectacles I am offering you will permit you to see the second outline and more besides. What if you think you will no longer see the outline you are used to... so much the better, you have seen enough of that one. Nature has drawn two outlines, and it is up to you to find the hidden one. (actually there are many more then two, but let us say two for the sake of clarity).

Is this clear? Once you know there are two directions within you, you will try to avoid taking the path that leads downward, for it ends in a cul-de-sac, a dead-end, comparable to absolute zero (which in fact has never been attained) where all the molecules become completely immobilized. But if you follow the upward path you will have access to the Infinite – and what treasures you will find along the whole length of that path!

For the most part men live in slow motion: they make sure they have a source of livelihood, they start a family, and that is enough for them, they sit back, contended. But it is very little! When someone disturbs their complacency with new ideas (such as these), all they find to say is, “This fellow is a real nuisance! We are fine as we are, let him mind his own business!” Yes, men are accustomed to their way of life and have been for centuries... and I come along to bother them, stirring them up and trying to inculcate new ideas into their lives, hoping to make them a little discontended with what they have! No wonder they object, no wonder they are dismayed, even the brothers and sisters don't like to be hastled and disturbed! I cannot help it. This is my mission, given to me to carry out no matter what, whether it pleases people or not. My purpose, my duty is not to leave you alone! And what you complain about so bitterly makes the divine world rejoice, they applaud when they see my efforts! I understand that you do not appreciate my methods, but nevertheless the world above finds them salutary as fair as your evolution is concerned.

hf

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