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Culture is dead
Two things:

First: I've been reading a lot about Greek culture lately. They were a mighty, noble, and proud people. They sought excellence and beauty in everything they did. I'm not saying their culture was perfect, but the ideals motivating their actions were admirable.

Second: I just saw 3 minutes of the grammies. Some song about Forest Gump. We are living in a bankrupt age. Politics, economics, education - these are just symptoms of the more fundamental cultural rot.

There's not much you can do when you live in a bankrupt age.
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Funny, my son and I just discussed this on Friday. He is studying Ancient Roman Culture and I asked him to compare and contrast it with the Greeks.

It's true. We are very Romanesque, decadent, unworthy of our luxuries, and unappreciative of the gifts of civilization. Our grandchildren will not be so lucky.

By the way, I am forty.
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I agree just look at what is considered modern art. and dont get me started on modern music.its all enough to make you puke bile.I keep waiting for it to get better but I guess not in my lifetime.the modern era is modern SHIT ! ! ! ! ! !
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Funny, my son and I just discussed this on Friday. He is studying Ancient Roman Culture and I asked him to compare and contrast it with the Greeks.

It's true. We are very Romanesque, decadent, unworthy of our luxuries, and unappreciative of the gifts of civilization. Our grandchildren will not be so lucky.

By the way, I am forty.
 Quoting: American Sith: Darth Shillerus


Glad to hear there are still discussions of this sort between generations. The greatness of past Western generations can be attributed to their acquaintance with classical ideals (I'd argue).

The Greeks and Romans both went that way, but the Roman spirit never had the depth of the Greek. Rome in its earlier period displayed many of the personal virtues of the Greeks, but their culture never flourished in quite the way that Greek culture did. The imperial age in Rome, with its 'Roman' culture, was after all nothing but the adoption of Greek culture.

I pity our era (your generation and mine - I'm 28), because we have seen the end of the heroism of Western culture. I've always said that the 80s was the last flash of the West, primarily in America, because of the rebirth of heroism in movies and music. But that age passed with the 90s. The children I teach now (about 18 years old - I use "children" deliberately) have no conception of valid and vital social ideals. They are too focused on social prestige and youtube.

I agree just look at what is considered modern art. and dont get me started on modern music.its all enough to make you puke bile.I keep waiting for it to get better but I guess not in my lifetime.the modern era is modern SHIT ! ! ! ! ! !
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Modern art is one of the clearest signs of our decadence. Greek art was the expression of excellence and beauty - something to emulate and take pride in. They crafted their temples and palaces with care and love, and valued harmony, light, and symmetry. Our 'culture' values disintegration and non-convention as ends in themselves. Anything to raise a random emotion. It's sickening.
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couldn't agree more, nothing more to say really, its the age of Nihilism, that is all.
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couldn't agree more, nothing more to say really, its the age of Nihilism, that is all.
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Well said. And our lack of decent values breeds more nihilism.
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02/17/2013 03:06 PM
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there never was any culture.

we are stuck on a rock, spinning out of control in the depths of the ass end of beyond nowhere (galactically speaking). there is no one, no life, no meaning, no culture. no one is listening, no one is coming, no one is here already.

it is a bad joke at best.
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Time was shattered in the Philadelphia Experiment.

All advances in art, culture, science, technology, etc., is grinding to a halt.
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there never was any culture.

we are stuck on a rock, spinning out of control in the depths of the ass end of beyond nowhere (galactically speaking). there is no one, no life, no meaning, no culture. no one is listening, no one is coming, no one is here already.

it is a bad joke at best.
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How very French. You should read Nietzsche's rebuttal of this.
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there never was any culture.

we are stuck on a rock, spinning out of control in the depths of the ass end of beyond nowhere (galactically speaking). there is no one, no life, no meaning, no culture. no one is listening, no one is coming, no one is here already.

it is a bad joke at best.
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How very French. You should read Nietzsche's rebuttal of this.
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I'm English. How very typical of a rock-dweller to make such a depressing assumption/mistake. good thing I have red wine and opiates.

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Imo not right, Culture is alive and bigger
than ever!

The World never saw more People who are
able to express them self and their Thoughts
than now!

We have so many Kids and young Adults who
can play a Instrument, who are able to Draw
or Acting.

Even our Architecture is not that bad,
in the last Decades i saw countless great
Buildings.

But of course, we need to support the Education
even more, it is wrong to spend soooo much
Money for Weapons but the Schools need to
close because of a tight Budget!
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Re: Culture is dead
Two things:

First: I've been reading a lot about Greek culture lately. They were a mighty, noble, and proud people. They sought excellence and beauty in everything they did. I'm not saying their culture was perfect, but the ideals motivating their actions were admirable.

Second: I just saw 3 minutes of the grammies. Some song about Forest Gump. We are living in a bankrupt age. Politics, economics, education - these are just symptoms of the more fundamental cultural rot.

There's not much you can do when you live in a bankrupt age.
 Quoting: Alethian


The era of pampered slavery is dying out.
How sad.
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wait for the Age of Aquarius. all that is old will be new again, and it will be the next step of the bright future of mankind, brought to you by The Bearer Of Light. people will wonder how they didn't see the most invisible secrets right in front of their noses all along. all will be revealed at once yet we could spend to the end of time discovering more, because it is endless. all these problems will go away because they were caused by ignorance of the people, and they will no longer be ignorant.
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Two things:

First: I've been reading a lot about Greek culture lately. They were a mighty, noble, and proud people. They sought excellence and beauty in everything they did. I'm not saying their culture was perfect, but the ideals motivating their actions were admirable.

Second: I just saw 3 minutes of the grammies. Some song about Forest Gump. We are living in a bankrupt age. Politics, economics, education - these are just symptoms of the more fundamental cultural rot.

There's not much you can do when you live in a bankrupt age.
 Quoting: Alethian


The era of pampered slavery is dying out.
How sad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34600084


I think you're confusing politics and culture. I didn't say I admire the politics of the classical world.

But in what sense is the age of pampered slavery dying? We're heading to a dark age of tyranny.
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Funny, my son and I just discussed this on Friday. He is studying Ancient Roman Culture and I asked him to compare and contrast it with the Greeks.

It's true. We are very Romanesque, decadent, unworthy of our luxuries, and unappreciative of the gifts of civilization. Our grandchildren will not be so lucky.

By the way, I am forty.
 Quoting: American Sith: Darth Shillerus

When you say "Romanesque," you should specify that you are talking about the decadence and luxury of the LATER EMPIRE, not THE REPUBLIC. The early Republic was built and ran of simplicity, virtue, and civic virtue. It was not until there was a gap that started between the rich and lower classes that it began as an institution to crumble. It was not until the Republic died and the Empire started that luxury and decadence took over.

Even then, the Empire got along well for almost 500 years. Slaves were treated "relatively better" during the Empire than the Republic-----and there WAS the Era of the Five Good Emperors--------the Roman Empire reached its greatest height during there.

It was not until the 3rd,4th, and 5th centuries that you began to see the decadence, luxury, and disunion take over.

There ya go.
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Two things:

First: I've been reading a lot about Greek culture lately. They were a mighty, noble, and proud people. They sought excellence and beauty in everything they did. I'm not saying their culture was perfect, but the ideals motivating their actions were admirable.

Second: I just saw 3 minutes of the grammies. Some song about Forest Gump. We are living in a bankrupt age. Politics, economics, education - these are just symptoms of the more fundamental cultural rot.

There's not much you can do when you live in a bankrupt age.
 Quoting: Alethian


The era of pampered slavery is dying out.
How sad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34600084


I think you're confusing politics and culture. I didn't say I admire the politics of the classical world.

But in what sense is the age of pampered slavery dying? We're heading to a dark age of tyranny.
 Quoting: Alethian


from an era of pampered slavery
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Re: Culture is dead
Imo not right, Culture is alive and bigger
than ever!

The World never saw more People who are
able to express them self and their Thoughts
than now!

We have so many Kids and young Adults who
can play a Instrument, who are able to Draw
or Acting.

Even our Architecture is not that bad,
in the last Decades i saw countless great
Buildings.

But of course, we need to support the Education
even more, it is wrong to spend soooo much
Money for Weapons but the Schools need to
close because of a tight Budget!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34619307


Thanks for voicing a contrary opinion! hf

I agree that people can express themselves and can draw and act and so on. I agree that technology has given us incredible capacities, and has allowed us to build beautiful buildings (like the Burj Dubai). I agree that people live more comfortable lives.

But my concern is this: what are people doing with these new capacities and freedoms? There are some who are doing beautiful and incredible things with them - I grant you that. But our culture does not value beauty, vitality, honor, excellence - all the things that made past ages and past people great.
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No no no. White people culture is dead, we are not allowed to have one.
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Time was shattered in the Philadelphia Experiment.

All advances in art, culture, science, technology, etc., is grinding to a halt.
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I disagree.

Time came to a stop when desegregation was forced upon the people and the neighborhoods of southern America.

Just take a look at the neighborhood around Little Rock's Central High.

It used to be vibrant, beautiful and well kept.

Now it is a slum with boarded up houses, burnt down houses, businesses that have either closed or have had to put up steel bars around the whole building.

Nice win.

Culture died when all this happened.
I have so much debt, I can start a government.
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Cultural rot is right. The time of degradation and stagnation has long set in like a gangrene open sore.

But this too shall pass and life on this planet will start anew - part of the cycle of life and death.

Mankind comes and goes. If not on this planet, then on others. The universe just operates this way.

The question is, "Have you enjoyed any part of your ride here?" If so, embrace those special memories. Because it's continually going to be hell on earth for the rest of our lifetimes.

In the meantime, do study the ancient cultures of the Romans and Greeks. Even Atlantis and Lemuria. Tesla said the Atlanteans nurtured their geniuses and listened to them. What a concept even though those geniuses got a tad bit out of control it appears.

In the meantime, might as well get into a cocoon of fantasy of ancient days gone by. Beats anything else going on.
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Oh wauw .. Go on...
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Of course entertainment is going to be base and crude. It's aimed at the lowest common denominator which includes ever increasing numbers of low IQ spanics and negroids which the jew, who controls it all, must pander to for advertizing dollars.

Culture still exists. You can find it at a folk music festival, a rennaissance festival, a civil war re-enactment. Any place you find White crowds devoid of lower species. It still exists it's just harder to find among the heaps of subhuman shit piled high everywhere.
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They have been keeping things back from you, and locking out the best to formulate degeneration.

"It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field."

Vedic tradition represents vittles carried over to enlighten the minds of men as like food. That is why Sudras are not only agricultural workers, but artisans of all kinds.

'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.'

"But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away."

Well it is said that the gods offer protection and boons with their hands (Kshatriya), but She alone can give that which is more than sufficent by her feet alone (Sudras).



Just remember, it is not what goes into your mouth which makes you unclean, but what comes out. And if the curses are ever lifted, how will you deal with it?
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Cultural rot is right. The time of degradation and stagnation has long set in like a gangrene open sore.

But this too shall pass and life on this planet will start anew - part of the cycle of life and death.

Mankind comes and goes. If not on this planet, then on others. The universe just operates this way.

The question is, "Have you enjoyed any part of your ride here?" If so, embrace those special memories. Because it's continually going to be hell on earth for the rest of our lifetimes.

In the meantime, do study the ancient cultures of the Romans and Greeks. Even Atlantis and Lemuria. Tesla said the Atlanteans nurtured their geniuses and listened to them. What a concept even though those geniuses got a tad bit out of control it appears.

In the meantime, might as well get into a cocoon of fantasy of ancient days gone by. Beats anything else going on.
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A great message.

cheers
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Long live Culture!
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.....once a culture is based on nostalgia and recycling memes because on their historical context , then things are circling the ........
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Everything falls away OP. Nothing lasts forever. I wonder how many have lamented this before us? Even ancient Greek philosophers mused about the failings of their own society at the time, from their viewpoint living in it.

We may be on the verge of something great, or a total disaster . That's what I see.
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.....once a culture is based on nostalgia and recycling memes because on their historical context , then things are circling the ........
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a) Things are circling the drain, and this motivates people like me to reflect on culturally richer eras. It's a common theme throughout history.

b) There is nothing intrinsically wrong or detrimental with looking to the past. Your comment is influenced by the assumption of progressivism, that we should continually look forward, that we are constantly moving to a better state than we were in. This encourages you to use words like "nostalgia" and "recycling" and "memes", subtly pejorative in the context.

c) Rather than merely recalling external features of Greek culture, I am appealing primarily to their orientation towards ideals, which served to guide and shape their lives, and secondarily to the content of those ideals: beauty, excellence, harmony. Contrary to these internal features of Greek civilization, our age is dominated by the rejection of ideals and by the subsequent worship of pleasure, whim, and power.

Everything falls away OP. Nothing lasts forever. I wonder how many have lamented this before us? Even ancient Greek philosophers mused about the failings of their own society at the time, from their viewpoint living in it.

We may be on the verge of something great, or a total disaster . That's what I see.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1324238


I agree with you. It's a common theme in the Platonic, Aristotelian, and Stoic writings. However much they lamented their culture, the culture that existed at the time of their writing was still rich by objective standards.

But I don't hold out any hope for a 'something great'. Mathematically our economy is doomed, a situation caused by our bankrupt culture. We'll have to go through incredible ills before we see a cultural renaissance, something we won't live to see.
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You're right OP. It might be more appropriate to say "culture is being destroyed". In the absence of interference, I'm sure it would ascend once again - which is why the libertarian movement gives me hope.
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You're right OP. It might be more appropriate to say "culture is being destroyed". In the absence of interference, I'm sure it would ascend once again - which is why the libertarian movement gives me hope.
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You know, I'm from Scotland and when I came to the States 4 years ago I had a similar hope.

Well I've seen the libertarian movement up close, and I don't hold out hope for it anymore. I think the movement can help inform certain people, and can spread the ideas a bit, but it's failed as an educational project.
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Good. Culture is an outdated worthless piece of shit only valued by the uneducated and the stupid.

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