Why do some people get angry and mad when you mention alternative medicine, the mind and the soul?

Because they do not believe in self-healing, capitalistic society brainwashed them, believing that in order to become healthy you need external remedies, expensive medicine and drugs from big pharma!

Its just a matter of time until they wake up, at least they'll wake up when they run out of money, then they may be ready for the most efficient remedies, simplest and less expensive natural remedies ...

Be as patient, as God is patient with them, and one day they're ready to "harvest" their success of reaching the next step in evolution ...

If disease is a teacher, how can people who decline that there is any connection between the subconscious, emotions and physical disease EVER learn anything from their disease?

If you accept the teachings of karma, how does it benefit any sheeple who just perpetuate the same shit without ever learning and without raising their consciousness....when they even refuse the idea of consciousness.

The majority of ppl seems that way.

programming and chemicals tell the body to feed them. You challenge that, you challenge the reason for them living

When I mentioned self healing and going within, these people felt very offended as if I was suggesting that they caused their disease. But in a way they did. Out of ignorance and disharmony on some level be it mental, emotional, spiritual. That is there to find out and bring back into harmony and made whole. It seemed like these people just wanted to kill me for suggesting that. Can such ppl ever wake up. I noticed that they were often struck with disease after disease and had a lot of the same diseases among their close and extended family. You could see that they were all like minded, but try to point that out, you get smashed down by them...

people have a hard time believing in the supernatural or in miracles.

Because it's simplistic, self-blaming, woefully inadequate and downright false, not to mention cruel when people are desperately ill.
Or are you just a child who hasn't faced anything real or stood on the abyss yet yourself. Your time will surely arrive.

It seems that they often keep feeding the disease as seems to justify their existence and gives them reason to feel like they are important. Caregivers of the sick ppl mostly react the same way. Caregiving validates their existence. They complain and hope for a cure but shoot you down when you try to broaden their consciousness by suggesting that the disease could be cured with adding alternative approaches to the medical treatment. I felt like they were threatened by a cure. They could lose their purpose of being sacrificial victims to disease.

Even if you step it down a bit, self healing is not a miracle, they have a hard time entertaining such ideas.

What we call miracles may be the most natural healing available to all who open up to it and proactively invite it.

But I often wonder if ppl sometimes prefer to wallow in disease instead of breaking out of it and embracing their own greatness.

bingo... the victim slave mindset is SOOOOOOO strong. If people realized it was just the bondage of how chemicals function they would get rid of the crap in their minds and bodies

Of course, their disease is in complete shock mode, because if her higher self eventually switches to your solution, the disease knows, that its days are numbered and sooner or later it will have to leave its host.

So the disease will do anything to prevent your divine light penetrating the sick mind and it rebels against your advise, like there is no tomorrow ...

Lets do an experiment, please send them the following informations and lets see how they react:


Causes of illnesses: the impurities

« Illnesses can have all kinds of causes, but in reality what lies at the basis of an illness, of whatever kind, are the impure elements a person has allowed to penetrate their physical organism or their psychic organism. These elements cause disorders because they do not vibrate in harmony with the healthy part of their organism. If, however, they succeed in driving them out or transforming them, health is restored. This is why purity is so important for our mental and physical health. And by purity I mean rejection of any element that interferes with the proper functioning of our organism. Unfortunately, as soon as people hear the word purity, they stop listening. Purity, to them, is a restricting concept, outmoded, good only for convents, and so they continue to swallow whatever comes along: indigestible food, polluted atmosphere, dark thoughts and chaotic feelings. When will they understand that it is these very impurities that make them ill? If they worked on purity their health would improve, they would become more intelligent, wiser and stronger. »

Definition of health: harmony

« Health is the result of the work all the organs of our body carry out together and in harmony for the good of our whole being. From the moment, therefore, an element enters our organism that does not obey this law of harmony it creates disturbances, and these disturbances, this disharmony is what we know as illness. The same phenomenon occurs in the psychic organism. When the thoughts, feelings and desires of human beings let in elements that do not vibrate in harmony with their entire inner being, they also let in illness. So, when you feel troubled, instead of looking for complicated reasons why you should feel this way, understand that you have allowed chaotic and dark thoughts and feelings into your head and your heart. Seek them out and try to eliminate them. »

« A person comes to seek my advice on her health: she has consulted all the doctors, taken every possible remedy, but there is no improvement. I tell her: "Since you have tried everything and nothing has worked, well now, try a remedy that you have not thought of. Harmonize yourself with the sublime creatures of the universe and tell them: 'I love you, I am in harmony with you, I want to accomplish the will of God...' and gradually you will feel an improvement." If people are sick, it is because they have troubled the inner order that nature has established within them. That is why they have to be taught some lessons, in order to learn to reestablish harmony. The whole universe sings this harmony, and the one who does not have respect for it is expelled. »

"‘It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but it is what comes out of the mouth that defiles… What comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles.’ If we want to understand Jesus’ words, we must refer to what initiatic Science reveals about the human being and his different bodies: physical, astral, mental, causal, buddhic and atmic.

The astral body is the seat of emotion, of feelings and desires, and it is represented in us by what we call the heart. What comes out of our mouth originates in the heart, and it is this that defiles us if we have not learned to purify our astral body. The mouth in question here is obviously the astral mouth. Nothing material comes out of our physical mouth, which only ingests and swallows. On the other hand, many things come out through the astral mouth, since feelings, emotions and desires are expressed through it, and when they are inspired by our lower nature we are defiled. Before defiling others, we defile ourselves. "

Prevention

« A man owns a beautiful car. He is extremely vigilant with regard to its maintenance, he uses the highest grade petrol in it, fits it with the best tyres, and so on. But when he gets into it he is not careful, nor is he able to keep his self-control. He performs rough and dangerous manoeuvres, he drives at great speed, he brakes suddenly, and then of course this poor man-handled car soon breaks down. Well, this is how most human beings treat their physical body. They are not in the least bit aware of the marvel their organism represents, in what workshops it was built, how much work the spirit put into it and how much it cost the Creator to perfect it. You will say you treat your physical body with care and respect. Maybe, but that is not enough. If you really want to be in good health then you must be attentive, provident and careful, in other words avoid impassioned states, chaotic thoughts and emotions, all of which weaken and wear out your organism. »

Food

« One of people's main concerns nowadays is to be able to eat healthy food. It is of course highly desirable that food should not be contaminated, but it is also important for those people who are involved in its preparation to be aware that the food they handle becomes impregnated with their emanations and subsequently passes these on to those who eat it. People use their hands to prepare food and a person's hands magically transmit something of this person's quintessence. Chefs, cooks, bakers and all those people who prepare food for their families on a daily basis must know this law of chemistry and magic. With this knowledge they will then get into the habit of touching food, conscious that what they are holding in their hands will contribute to the edification of the body of people nearby and far away, persons known and persons unknown. This is a huge responsibility and it is therefore worthwhile for them to endeavour to be dwelling in the best inner state when they prepare food, fostering thoughts of good health, peace and light for those who are due to eat it. »

Links

« Nothing happens to us by mere chance. Our thoughts and feelings bring us into contact with entities, currents and elements in space that correspond to those thoughts and feelings, and we end up attracting them. This is how health and illness, strength and weakness, intelligence and short-sightedness, beauty and ugliness in people come about. We attract these physical and psychic states, and so, if you are faced with problems in this life, it is because through ignorance you attracted unhealthy and unsound elements in the past. So now you know the real reason why things happen in your life, resolve to work on your thoughts and feelings, because you will then connect with the purest and most luminous entities and regions in the universe and you will receive from them all the qualities you need to rebuild yourself: beauty, strength, intelligence, and so on. This is the true secret of resurrection. »

Doctor and medicines

« When a doctor prescribes medicines for the sick, does he explain to them that the state of mind in which they take them can contribute to their efficacy? No, he acts as if human beings were merely machines that must be repaired. A good doctor, on the other hand, also points out rules of life to his patients and even some exercises by means of which they will establish balance, peace and harmony within themselves. Even if these methods prove to be inadequate in the face of a grave illness, the patient will at least spend what life he has left in activities that are useful. Above all, it is essential to find a beneficial activity to which you can dedicate yourself, for everything has consequences, if not in the physical world, at least in the world of the spirit. »

« Doctors should understand that merely healing the sick is not sufficient. They should also put a few truths in their patients' heads at the same time. I ask a doctor this question:
- "You have made these people better, haven't you. But did they subsequently change their lifestyle? Are they not going to continue their ridiculous ways and become ill again?"
- "Well yes, unfortunately this is true."
So it is clear that before agreeing to cure people, doctors should enlighten their patients in order to prevent them from falling prey to the same excesses and victim of the same imbalances. If I were a doctor I would simply refuse to look after people who did not first promise me to improve their lifestyle. Since I would not ask to be paid I would ask them at least to pay the Lord by improving themselves. And if they refused to make this promise I would send them elsewhere. Of course, if someone has just been rescued from the water or is suffocating, that is not the time to extract promises from them. They have to be saved. But I want doctors to understand it is not sufficient to cure people "for the time being", they should also enlighten them so they may find permanent good health again...»

Perspiring - exchanges

« Perspiring is good for your health. But perspiring physically, i.e. sweating, is not enough, and do not be surprised if I tell you that the soul and the spirit must also perspire. Love makes the soul perspire and wisdom makes the spirit perspire. Of course the word perspiring must be understood in a very wide sense. Perspiration symbolizes a perfect exchange that is established between the microcosm (humankind) and the macrocosm (the universe). Physically, these exchanges occur through the skin, as we discard waste and absorb energy through the skin. In the subtle plane, however, these exchanges occur through the aura, which is our spiritual skin. So, if I say that, like our physical body, our soul and our spirit must also perspire, I am referring to the exchanges we must make in the subtle planes with divine wisdom and love. »

A key: love

« Love, and all doors will open up to you. So stop asking yourself why you are unhappy, why you suffer so many setbacks, and so on. The reason is simply that you have no love. If you had love, nothing would resist you, because when you have love you do not stay there doing nothing. Someone will say:
- "I'm ill."
- "Well, exactly, it's because you have no love."
- "But what is the connection?"
- "If you had love for health, good health would have established itself in you long ago. If you are ill, it's because you do not really love health. So there you have it."
Once you have love for all that is good, for all that is beautiful, and you live with this love day and night, no force in the universe will be able to resist you. Because there is nothing above love. Love has created the world and all forces obey love. »

Circulation - life

« We are immersed in a world of spiritual abundance, and if most people fail to benefit from these blessings, it is because their inner channels are obstructed so all free circulation is blocked. This is why initiatic science has only one aim: to teach us how to purify ourselves so that all contacts can be reconnected and so that divine life can flow unhindered within us. When divine life flows freely, our physical bodies and especially our psychic bodies (emotional, mental and spiritual) are provided with everything they need for excellent health. If there is no circulation, then death gradually encroaches. So each day, several times a day, remember to cleanse, to purify. Let the waters flow, the celestial waters of heaven. Visualize yourself standing in a torrent or under a waterfall; imagine that your impurities are swept away and that you become as transparent as crystal. Since effective methods such as this exist, why not make use of them? »

The circulation in all domains is an important element of health.
Numerous disturbances or freezings are at origin of numerous diseases. Then, exchanges do not work correctly any more and disorders appear.
For example, scars provoke dams interrupting circulations and exchanges. These obstacles are the cause of disorders which go in amplifying with the time. And so years later, diseases appear by disrupting the organs functioning which are in contact with the place of the scar...
In the body, there are numerous systems which all have to work harmoniously to be healthy: cardio-vascular system, lymphatic system, respiratory system, nervous system, digestive system, energy systems (knew of acupuncture, acupressure, reflexology), glandular or endocrinian system (closely connected to the system of chakras), etc... Each of these systems is in connection with one or several subtle bodies (etherical, astral, mental, causal, budda, atman,... body).
For example, the etheric body contains the meridian lines of acupuncture and the chakras of hinduism. The chakras are doors communicating and exchanging between the physical body and the other subtle bodies, which are seats of feelings, emotions and thoughts.
Circulation of life is a harmonious functioning of all these overlapping systems one in another and in constant interaction.

True medicine

« A science of medicine which intervenes only at the apparent site of an illness is not based on sound principles, because it does not treat the rest of the organism which may also suffer from certain dysfunctions. True medicine must treat the entire human being; it must purify him and bring him into harmony with the universe, so that every organ, every part of his body benefits from this improvement. The manifestation of problems in one part of the organism must serve as an occasion to examine the whole and to restore it to good health. If you take this recommendation into account, not only will your present discomforts disappear, but other problems as well which are hidden and waiting to present themselves. It is all very well for the cardiologist to look after the heart, for the lung specialist to look after the lungs, and for the surgeon to remove tumours. But even when people are no longer really sick, neither are they really well, because their body is repaired piece by piece. The medicine of the future will understand how to work in a different way, and a minor disorder will be an occasion to restore the entire organism to health. »

I wish you all Love, Wisdom, Truth, Health and Light of Eternity in order to work for the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness on Earth ...

I also get the impression that some people want to be and stay chronically sick to get attention. But if you bring up that possibility, you get accused of being cruel, heartless, ignorant. They tell you that you have no idea how terrible it is to live with the disease. They defend their disease. They sound like disease dependent addicts. They complain about it and want a cure, but don't want to work for it. They think taking meds and eating healthy is doing everything.

Hey I know some of these healers. They periodically come visit from the amazon to work with a healer friend of mine who cured 100's of cancers with hands on healing that were given up by conventional medicine.

When I mentioned self healing and going within, these people felt very offended as if I was suggesting that they caused their disease. But in a way they did. Out of ignorance and disharmony on some level be it mental, emotional, spiritual. That is there to find out and bring back into harmony and made whole. It seemed like these people just wanted to kill me for suggesting that. Can such ppl ever wake up.



You are right. However I find by reading your words that it is your approach and attitude that is wrong.


If YOU lived in a very polluted place like Love Canal and YOUR child was dying of cancer, would you prance around and tell your child it was HIS fault?


Wait until you get older and sicker and your body and GENES give out on you.

Then perhaps you will gain a little actual wisdom and be able to help people.


May I suggest How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnagie?

You're right. It's shocking and you cannot get through to the ppl with victim mind set.

Not everyone is receptive. Best to wait until asked for advice. They will ask when they notice how well you are doing.

Some will ask and never do anything with the info. you offer. A very few will actually try what you suggest.

I always say, this is what works for me, I don't know if it will work for you. And share some of your tools,herbs,etc..
Be prepared to give away/share what you have and don't expect anything back in return.

Almost no one values what they did not ask for.

this is also a sickness. not having control. Leaving somebody on life support because you don't want them to die

isn't that cruel and inhumane?

Maybe I have to adjust how I talk about this. I don't tell ppl disease is their fault. i just suggest to look at more possibilities, but even that sets of their negative attacks. I don't know if I should even say anything?

I read the D. Carnegie book a long time ago, maybe need to re-read it, but like I said before. some sick ppl and their caregivers react very negatively at the slightest bit of ideas different to their own.

I do. I had one treatment done by them too. Felt really nauseous afterwards.

Thanks Switzerland and all replies. Awesome info.

You are killin me!

Hi, OP.

I think people are aware that there are a lot of charlatans out there, so they shy away from things that are not mainstream.

Myself, I am a skeptic about most alternative medical ideas.
I have heard too much bad.

But that does NOT mean I like mainstream medicine, either!

I am not sure what to trust except my own perceptions of what helps, what harms, what encourages healing, and what slows it down.

My advice is to follow ones own body's guidance, to the extent possible.

No flu shot ever for me, but no chamomile tea either - it is a potent allergen!

Great advice. Thanks. Live by example and don't hold back to share when asked.

Glad you're having fun :)

that is empowerment. Provide them the opportunity to seek or be the example and be personable and approachable. Then you can already establish a connection and it becomes sharing.

We have forgotten how to get on the level as a society

Would you agree that there is a connection between emotions and well-being or even disease?
What about ppl who do what they love and are passionate about and live a long healthy life.
What about a connection between depression and heart disease?
What about the connection betw. stress and disease?
Don't these things point the connection between mind, emotions and physical manifestation of disease? Isn't that worth exploring even on one's own? Meditating and asking for higher guidance to detect the disharmonious thought patterns and emotions?

I experienced another thing. When ppl noticed that I looked good and healthy, they had their own explanation such as: Good genes or you're lucky. They did not want to hear that I attributed health to more than just good genes and luck.

It's as if some people and caregivers whose life revolves around disease have it all figured out and choose the victim slave mindset and if you're doing better than them they are only confirmed in their victim state. Sometimes it appears as if there is a sick attachment to suffering and pain.

They've been programmed by TV, other media and most Dr's to believe there are pills to fix everything and that it's normal to eat a handful of pills every morning and at bedtime. I have a chronic pain disorder, if I actually took the meds doctors wanted me to, I'd be on roughly 30 different medications, everyday and most likely fried out of my mind. Dr's will argue with and berate natural remedies or cures, old school Dr's and natural Dr's don't do this of course but they're very rare in the industrial pharmaceutical age with the amount of money to be made by prescribing various drugs especially newer expensive ones.

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Maybe I have to adjust how I talk about this. I don't tell ppl disease is their fault. i just suggest to look at more possibilities, but even that sets of their negative attacks. I don't know if I should even say anything?

I read the D. Carnegie book a long time ago, maybe need to re-read it, but like I said before. some sick ppl and their caregivers react very negatively at the slightest bit of ideas different to their own.


You beat me to it, excellent advice. I tell people all the time that when so and so happened to me, I tried this alternative treatment and had great results. Most of the time they are eager to listen. It's all in the approach.