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No, it did not. I observed DA14 in space after the meteor hit Chelyabinsk. Furthermore, the trajectory of DA14 absolutely precluded any possibility of impact. Furthermore, even if you altered the trajectory to hit earth, it could only reach southern to equatorial latitudes, not the Ural mountains at 55N.
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No it was not. Here's DA14, taken 6 hours after the Chelyabinsk meteor:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
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If you say so, Dr. But I am not buying it.
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Yes, I say so. I photographed the asteroid precisely where it was supposed to be 8 hours after the impact. Explain that. EXPLAIN IT!
If nothing had happened over Chelyabinsk (where DA14's trajectory was also located)
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Russia rotated under DA14's ground track, but at the time of the impact Chelyabinsk was rotated away from DA14's orbital path. What, you think asteroids rotate with the earth like corkscrewing bullets from that terrible movie "Wanted"? That's not how it works.
then I might believe your story.
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It's not a story, I photographed the asteroid 8 hours after the meteor impact. It's empirical proof that you are completely and totally wrong and your arguments are without any kind of merit whatsoever.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


What makes you think you photographed DA14?

Might have just been some space junk or a satellite you don't know about.
 Quoting: LunaHominem

Nope. This was 2012 DA14. It followed the orbit of 2012 DA14 exactly. Neither a satellite nor space junk could have done that.
Someone told you that you were photographing DA14. Who told you that it was DA14?
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Me. I calculated the orbit of 2012 DA14 and predicted its position.
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Well, technically you are correct. "DA14" did not hit us. It detonated 70-30km above the surface of Chelyabinsk.
 Quoting: LunaHominem

No, it did not. I observed DA14 in space after the meteor hit Chelyabinsk. Furthermore, the trajectory of DA14 absolutely precluded any possibility of impact. Furthermore, even if you altered the trajectory to hit earth, it could only reach southern to equatorial latitudes, not the Ural mountains at 55N.
The Chelyabinsk "meteor" was DA14.
 Quoting: luna

No it was not. Here's DA14, taken 6 hours after the Chelyabinsk meteor:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


which makes this one hell of a coincidence
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Let's just say for the sake of argument that this had randomly occurred on December 21st, 2012 instead. Or perhaps September 10, 2011. Or May 2003. Or one of Terral's many doom dates. Etc. Would it still be a hell of a coincidence then? Sure it would, in some cases even more so. Would it be proof that the claimed source of doom was correct? No. Now if this meteor had hit in some southern hemisphere location on the night side of earth the same day as DA14, then I might consider it suspicious and possibly related, but as it stands it's just not.
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without working too hard on the number I know that the odds are at least 7-8 figure range

you know it too
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But given the event over Chelyabinsk, your story is now the improbable one, my good Doctor.
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Nope.
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
Not a story, it's empirical evidence that you are completely and totally wrong. Your claim carries no weight and goes against the empirical evidence in multiple ways and by multiple accounts from both professionals and amateurs. You are wrong.
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Coincidence does not exist. 15 feb, too much "coincidence" . Impossible.

Everybody looking at da14 and then boom another hits. Something is fucked up here.
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The Russian meteor came in from behind the Sun , if I understand correctly, which is what made it so hard to see ahead of time.

It is logical that there could be more where that came from, that are headed our way.

None of which has anything to do with the DA14 asteroid, which I think is sort of a non-event.
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Dr. Astro a.k.a. Astromut = PAID SHILL.

ENOUGH SAID ..... STOP WASTING YOUR TIME ARGUING WITH HIM.
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If you say so, Dr. But I am not buying it.
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Yes, I say so. I photographed the asteroid precisely where it was supposed to be 8 hours after the impact. Explain that. EXPLAIN IT!
If nothing had happened over Chelyabinsk (where DA14's trajectory was also located)
 Quoting: luna

Russia rotated under DA14's ground track, but at the time of the impact Chelyabinsk was rotated away from DA14's orbital path. What, you think asteroids rotate with the earth like corkscrewing bullets from that terrible movie "Wanted"? That's not how it works.
then I might believe your story.
 Quoting: luna

It's not a story, I photographed the asteroid 8 hours after the meteor impact. It's empirical proof that you are completely and totally wrong and your arguments are without any kind of merit whatsoever.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


What makes you think you photographed DA14?

Might have just been some space junk or a satellite you don't know about.
 Quoting: LunaHominem

Nope. This was 2012 DA14. It followed the orbit of 2012 DA14 exactly. Neither a satellite nor space junk could have done that.
Someone told you that you were photographing DA14. Who told you that it was DA14?
 Quoting: luna

Me. I calculated the orbit of 2012 DA14 and predicted its position.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


LOL!

Begging the question. Circular reasoning. The Dr. Astro two-step. Puh-lease!
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The Russian meteor came in from behind the Sun , if I understand correctly, which is what made it so hard to see ahead of time.

It is logical that there could be more where that came from, that are headed our way.

None of which has anything to do with the DA14 asteroid, which I think is sort of a non-event.
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hiding
Just one any....

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Yes, I say so. I photographed the asteroid precisely where it was supposed to be 8 hours after the impact. Explain that. EXPLAIN IT!
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Russia rotated under DA14's ground track, but at the time of the impact Chelyabinsk was rotated away from DA14's orbital path. What, you think asteroids rotate with the earth like corkscrewing bullets from that terrible movie "Wanted"? That's not how it works.
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It's not a story, I photographed the asteroid 8 hours after the meteor impact. It's empirical proof that you are completely and totally wrong and your arguments are without any kind of merit whatsoever.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


What makes you think you photographed DA14?

Might have just been some space junk or a satellite you don't know about.
 Quoting: LunaHominem

Nope. This was 2012 DA14. It followed the orbit of 2012 DA14 exactly. Neither a satellite nor space junk could have done that.
Someone told you that you were photographing DA14. Who told you that it was DA14?
 Quoting: luna

Me. I calculated the orbit of 2012 DA14 and predicted its position.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


LOL!

Begging the question. Circular reasoning. The Dr. Astro two-step. Puh-lease!
 Quoting: LunaHominem


Not circular reasoning; I predicted its position based on its orbit. No satellite or piece of space junk had that orbit, only this asteroid. It followed that orbit exactly.
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That is not to downplay this month's events, this ranks right up there as one of the most significant; the Russia fireball was massive indeed. Still not Tunguska level (that was between 10-100 times as powerful), but it will go down in the history books nonetheless.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Well, technically you are correct. "DA14" did not hit us. It detonated 70-30km above the surface of Chelyabinsk.
 Quoting: LunaHominem

No, it did not. I observed DA14 in space after the meteor hit Chelyabinsk. Furthermore, the trajectory of DA14 absolutely precluded any possibility of impact. Furthermore, even if you altered the trajectory to hit earth, it could only reach southern to equatorial latitudes, not the Ural mountains at 55N.
The Chelyabinsk "meteor" was DA14.
 Quoting: luna

No it was not. Here's DA14, taken 6 hours after the Chelyabinsk meteor:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


which makes this one hell of a coincidence
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Sorry, where is it in your supposed picture?
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Well, technically you are correct. "DA14" did not hit us. It detonated 70-30km above the surface of Chelyabinsk.
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No, it did not. I observed DA14 in space after the meteor hit Chelyabinsk. Furthermore, the trajectory of DA14 absolutely precluded any possibility of impact. Furthermore, even if you altered the trajectory to hit earth, it could only reach southern to equatorial latitudes, not the Ural mountains at 55N.
The Chelyabinsk "meteor" was DA14.
 Quoting: luna

No it was not. Here's DA14, taken 6 hours after the Chelyabinsk meteor:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


which makes this one hell of a coincidence
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Sorry, where is it in your supposed picture?
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Are you blind? I already posted it in the post you quoted.
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Dr. Astro a.k.a. Astromut = PAID SHILL.
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PROVE IT!!!
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Astromut first told he had a picture of da14 6 hours after the "passing by". Later he realised that it was 8 hours after "passing by"

hmmmm?

I do not eat that kind of shit....
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No, it did not. I observed DA14 in space after the meteor hit Chelyabinsk. Furthermore, the trajectory of DA14 absolutely precluded any possibility of impact. Furthermore, even if you altered the trajectory to hit earth, it could only reach southern to equatorial latitudes, not the Ural mountains at 55N.
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No it was not. Here's DA14, taken 6 hours after the Chelyabinsk meteor:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


which makes this one hell of a coincidence
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Sorry, where is it in your supposed picture?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16586779

Are you blind? I already posted it in the post you quoted.
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Pretty defensive. I clicked on your photo and do not see it.
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I hate it when cool threads get derailed by bickering back and forth.
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Astromut first told he had a picture of da14 6 hours after the "passing by". Later he realised that it was 8 hours after "passing by"

hmmmm?

I do not eat that kind of shit....
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Right, because I'm never allowed to make a time zone mistake so I must be lying. Fuck off.
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But given the event over Chelyabinsk, your story is now the improbable one, my good Doctor.
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Nope.
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
Not a story, it's empirical evidence that you are completely and totally wrong. Your claim carries no weight and goes against the empirical evidence in multiple ways and by multiple accounts from both professionals and amateurs. You are wrong.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Yes, you certainly photographed something. Very good. But why do you believe that it is DA14? Answer: NASA told you.

The bottom line here, Dr. Astro, is that had nothing happened over Chelyabinsk, then your story might carry a little more weight. As it stands, on the exact same day that "DA14" was scheduled to pass over the Chelyabinsk region, we have video of a "cosmic coincidence" detonating with the force of 30 atom bombs 70-30km above Chelyabinsk. That was not a coincidence. NASA knows what happened. They know that DA14 was in fact the Chelyabinsk asteroid. They had a reason (good or bad, it doesn't matter) for not telling us that it was going to hit. David Dunham told us in Moscow last year that "DA14" was going to hit. David Dunham is the real "Dr. Astro."

Also damaging to your story, Dr. Astro, is the fact that since the Chelyabinsk meteor detonation, we have had reports around the world (Cuba, Florida, Arizona, California, Saudi Arabia, and counting) of similar objects. These are not little shooting star we are talking about. These are objects capable of destroying densely populated areas. It is time for NASA to come clean.
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which makes this one hell of a coincidence
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Sorry, where is it in your supposed picture?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16586779

Are you blind? I already posted it in the post you quoted.
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Pretty defensive. I clicked on your photo and do not see it.
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It's right there in the middle of the picture. Are you unfamiliar with what a near earth asteroid looks like in a long exposure photograph?

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There will he signs in the sky....
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But given the event over Chelyabinsk, your story is now the improbable one, my good Doctor.
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Nope.
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
Not a story, it's empirical evidence that you are completely and totally wrong. Your claim carries no weight and goes against the empirical evidence in multiple ways and by multiple accounts from both professionals and amateurs. You are wrong.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Yes, you certainly photographed something. Very good. But why do you believe that it is DA14? Answer: NASA told you.
 Quoting: LunaHominem

Now you're just a liar. As I already told you, I calculated the orbit myself, that's how I knew what it was, NASA had nothing to do with it.
The bottom line here, Dr. Astro, is that had nothing happened over Chelyabinsk, then your story might carry a little more weight.
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No, the bottom line is that I photographed the asteroid 8 hours after the meteor hit. End of story. You're wrong and I know you're wrong because I observed the asteroid in space right where it should be 8 hours after you claim it hit earth.
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Not circular reasoning; I predicted its position based on its orbit. No satellite or piece of space junk had that orbit, only this asteroid. It followed that orbit exactly.
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LOL!

If NASA had told you that the object you were photographing was space junk or a satellite, you would believe it Dr. Astro. That is what is dangerous about your way of thinking.
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Not circular reasoning; I predicted its position based on its orbit. No satellite or piece of space junk had that orbit, only this asteroid. It followed that orbit exactly.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


LOL!

If NASA had told you that the object you were photographing was space junk or a satellite, you would believe it Dr. Astro. That is what is dangerous about your way of thinking.
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Nope. I calculated the orbit myself which is how I knew what it was. NASA has nothing to do with it. You, on the other hand, couldn't find or identify an asteroid to save your life. Not that that matters, what matters is that I did the calculations myself and I know for a fact that what I photographed was 2012 DA14.
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PROVE IT!!!
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What would even be the chances of the Russian Meteorite and the one in California occurring? All I've heard is that 2012 DA14 passing was a 1 in 40 year event. It seems that almost no one here has any idea how common/uncommon these events are, including myself. Also adding the extensive population increase since 1800s and everyone being alert at the moment. I'm not sure about this Florida one though, all I've seen is "NBC 6 FLORIDA METEOR" pasted all over twitter and that meteor report page shows people posting the sighting in all different directions.
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Astromut first told he had a picture of da14 6 hours after the "passing by". Later he realised that it was 8 hours after "passing by"

hmmmm?

I do not eat that kind of shit....
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Right, because I'm never allowed to make a time zone mistake so I must be lying. Fuck off.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


When you are posting here at GLP you have to realize that a lot of people are reading your posts.

You say that you are an expert and then you show some picture of an "once in a lifetime" event and then you are messing up with hours.

Sure this indicates that it is not your picture.
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``The mystery of the Somerset 'meteor': Wildlife photographer catches flaming object streaking through West Country sky´´

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Sorry, where is it in your supposed picture?
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Are you blind? I already posted it in the post you quoted.
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Pretty defensive. I clicked on your photo and do not see it.
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It's right there in the middle of the picture. Are you unfamiliar with what a near earth asteroid looks like in a long exposure photograph?
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Of course I am unfamiliar with it. Just like you would be unfamiliar with the basics of what I do for a living. Circle it or put an arrow. You are not here to educate astronomy masters students are you? If you intend to teach rather than just be a shill then don't be a condescending prick.
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``The mystery of the Somerset 'meteor': Wildlife photographer catches flaming object streaking through West Country sky´´

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Russell's Ceramic Teapot.
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Astromut first told he had a picture of da14 6 hours after the "passing by". Later he realised that it was 8 hours after "passing by"

hmmmm?

I do not eat that kind of shit....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27459048


Right, because I'm never allowed to make a time zone mistake so I must be lying. Fuck off.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


When you are posting here at GLP you have to realize that a lot of people are reading your posts.

You say that you are an expert and then you show some picture of an "once in a lifetime" event and then you are messing up with hours.

Sure this indicates that it is not your picture.
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Good point. A two hour difference is the difference between "DA14" and space junk/satellite.
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Astromut first told he had a picture of da14 6 hours after the "passing by". Later he realised that it was 8 hours after "passing by"

hmmmm?

I do not eat that kind of shit....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27459048


Right, because I'm never allowed to make a time zone mistake so I must be lying. Fuck off.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


When you are posting here at GLP you have to realize that a lot of people are reading your posts.

You say that you are an expert and then you show some picture of an "once in a lifetime" event and then you are messing up with hours.

Sure this indicates that it is not your picture.
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It IS my picture. I am sick and tired of being called a liar. Making a time zone mistake has nothing to do with whether I took the picture or not you fucking idiot. If you want to claim that I didn't take the picture, it is up to you to fucking prove it. Show me who took that picture if not me.
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Not circular reasoning; I predicted its position based on its orbit. No satellite or piece of space junk had that orbit, only this asteroid. It followed that orbit exactly.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


LOL!

If NASA had told you that the object you were photographing was space junk or a satellite, you would believe it Dr. Astro. That is what is dangerous about your way of thinking.
 Quoting: LunaHominem


Nope. I calculated the orbit myself which is how I knew what it was. NASA has nothing to do with it. You, on the other hand, couldn't find or identify an asteroid to save your life. Not that that matters, what matters is that I did the calculations myself and I know for a fact that what I photographed was 2012 DA14.
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You need to stop responding. they are just trying to get under ya skin and its working. You are such a smart guy, yet so fucking dumb.

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