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Evolution is a quasi-religious, naturalist philosophy that predates Christianity. It is by no means the result of scientific investigation as we are taught.

This pseudo-science was mandated by Royal Societies as a foundation of biology, in a time when Spontaneous Generation (mice spawning from old rags) was still viewed as a legitimate theory, and when the living cell was considered to be nothing more than a blob of undifferentiated jello.

Since then, the life sciences have been marred with superstitious magical thinking, and a force fitting of data in any way that will conform to several non-falsifiable evolutionary models.

Our life on Earth is but a vapor. Please do not simply accept this story you've been told about Evolution. Please understand that a majority of scientists have believed dumb and wrong ideas all throughout history, often being spurred on by the popular philosophies of that age. Naturalism(Atheism) is considered the 'sophisticated' belief system in our day. Contrary to their mantras, it has very little to do with science.

I do believe in Creation by the Almighty God of the Bible. My hope here is to wake people up to the illusion of the scientific fraud that is Evolution, so that they may think carefully and skeptically on the subject of their true origins.

It was through studying evolution, that God revealed to me that this 'theory' was the imagination of foolish men, and delivered me to the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray for the same for others reading. Seek the Absolute Truth!

With that said, my challenge is extended to Evolutionists. I submit that your views are not based on scientific evidence, but on religious and philosophical belief in the theory itself.

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You have a closed mind and are a waste of time.
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You have a closed mind and are a waste of time.
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Says the guy who thinks he came from an ape.
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You have a closed mind and are a waste of time.
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Are you prepared to defend your belief in Evolution?
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You have a closed mind and are a waste of time.
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Says the guy who thinks he came from an ape.
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Show what you know about evolution doesn't it. Fuck all! Maybe you should read a book.

You have a closed mind and are a waste of time.
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Are you prepared to defend your belief in Evolution?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


Who says I "belief" in evolution. And why do you write evolution with a capital as if it is a god?

Evolution is a theory, not a belief.

Read up on stuff before you want to discuss things you know fuck all about.

Wasting my time here. Bye Mr "goody pants I believe in the bible with all the contradictions in there ..." Have fun.
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Wasting my time here. Bye Mr "goody pants I believe in the bible with all the contradictions in there ..." Have fun.
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Yes you are wasting your time here. Obviously you aren't prepared to defend your beliefs in the so-called evidence of Evolution.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 1:20
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You have a closed mind and are a waste of time.
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Says the guy who thinks he came from an ape.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


I'm quite proud of my ape heritage, thanks.
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The Pagan Roots of Evolution

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How can you not believe that things do not evolve OP?
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feel free to pick out a particular point in any of these articles and we can go from there.

[link to www.plosbiology.org]

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

[link to www.nytimes.com]

[link to www.talkorigins.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]
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feel free to pick out a particular point in any of these articles and we can go from there.

[link to www.plosbiology.org]

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

[link to www.nytimes.com]

[link to www.talkorigins.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Oyster


We can start with #1

You have to at least make an argument though.

Why do you believe that genome duplication events are evidence for Evolutionary Common Descent?
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feel free to pick out a particular point in any of these articles and we can go from there.

[link to www.plosbiology.org]

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

[link to www.nytimes.com]

[link to www.talkorigins.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Oyster


We can start with #1

You have to at least make an argument though.

Why do you believe that genome duplication events are evidence for Evolutionary Common Descent?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


if you wanna challenge the world you cant be lazy.

read something and say what is wrong with it.
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How can you not believe that things do not evolve OP?
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One definition of Evolution is simply "change".

Of course organisms show a great deal of change throughout individual lifetimes and populations. Life is equipped to handle and adapt to a variety of different stressful situations.

However there is no reason to think species are developing increasingly complex biological structures, through random variations and natural selection, on some sort of blind trajectory towards "evolving" into a fundamentally different form of life.

Common Descent via Darwinian-style Evolution is a pseudo-scientific philosophical belief system that hijacked the sciences over a century ago.
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feel free to pick out a particular point in any of these articles and we can go from there.

[link to www.plosbiology.org]

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

[link to www.nytimes.com]

[link to www.talkorigins.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Oyster


We can start with #1

You have to at least make an argument though.

Why do you believe that genome duplication events are evidence for Evolutionary Common Descent?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


if you wanna challenge the world you cant be lazy.

read something and say what is wrong with it.
 Quoting: Oyster


Lazy? You're the one who just posted a couple of links without even submitting an argument.

I took your first link. It is a report on GDE's (genome duplication events) Tell me why you think this is evidence for Evolution.
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You have a closed mind and are a waste of time.
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Are you prepared to defend your belief in Evolution?
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belief has nothing to do with it.

there is literally millions of scientific peer revued published papers relating to it.


go read them.
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You have a closed mind and are a waste of time.
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Are you prepared to defend your belief in Evolution?
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belief has nothing to do with it.

there is literally millions of scientific peer revued published papers relating to it.


go read them.
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Should be easy for you to present your argument for why you believe in Evolution then.
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You have a closed mind and are a waste of time.
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Are you prepared to defend your belief in Evolution?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


belief has nothing to do with it.

there is literally millions of scientific peer revued published papers relating to it.


go read them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34632803


'There is literally millions of scientific peer revued'...Where to begin with that? Appeal to majority, the spelling, or just the overall fallacy of it? Yeah, lets ask the guys who get the government grants and who set up the bones in the museums, what they think about evolution..
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You have a closed mind and are a waste of time.
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Are you prepared to defend your belief in Evolution?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


belief has nothing to do with it.

there is literally millions of scientific peer revued published papers relating to it.


go read them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34632803


Waste of time. Might as well read millions of scientific peer reviewed published papers relating to Freudian psychology or Keynesian economics.
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'There is literally millions of scientific peer revued'...Where to begin with that? Appeal to majority, the spelling, or just the overall fallacy of it? Yeah, lets ask the guys who get the government grants and who set up the bones in the museums, what they think about evolution..
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This "mountains of evidence" mantra probably makes up 90% of all "arguments" for evolution. I don't think hardly any of these people actually care about the so-called evidence. They just really really really want Evolution to be true....
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'There is literally millions of scientific peer revued'...Where to begin with that? Appeal to majority, the spelling, or just the overall fallacy of it? Yeah, lets ask the guys who get the government grants and who set up the bones in the museums, what they think about evolution..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675



This "mountains of evidence" mantra probably makes up 90% of all "arguments" for evolution. I don't think hardly any of these people actually care about the so-called evidence. They just really really really want Evolution to be true....
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in the end, it's not a matter of "wanting" evolution to be true. darwin's theory simply makes more sense to me.

evolution is a theory, subject to adjustments, waiting for more evidence.
the observations and discussions of fossils, dinosaurs, as well as what i experience in my profession lead me to consider evolution as possible.

i'm sure many here dismiss these, and i can accept that.

conversely there is nothing in the creationists argument that to me is hard evidence , or for that matter even logical.

tho i welcome opposing arguments, i must tell you that quoting the bible to prove that the bible is true, is not effective. nor are threats of hellfire.

tedious u tube videos of ken hovind, from prison, et al, lend no credence.
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in the end, it's not a matter of "wanting" evolution to be true. darwin's theory simply makes more sense to me.
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I'm sure you like the idea of Evolution. Many find it appealing and sophisticated. But can you show scientific evidence for it?

evolution is a theory, subject to adjustments, waiting for more evidence.
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Evolution is a non-falsifiable set of beliefs and presuppositions. It is not waiting for 'more' evidence. It is waiting FOR evidence. It is no more a scientific theory than the ancient materialist philosophies around which it is modeled.

the observations and discussions of fossils, dinosaurs, as well as what i experience in my profession lead me to consider evolution as possible.
 Quoting: david 33758960


Can you elaborate with an argument?

conversely there is nothing in the creationists argument that to me is hard evidence , or for that matter even logical.
 Quoting: david 33758960


All of Biology reflects an astounding level of functional complexity that absolutely defies any sort of blind naturalistic darwinian-style formation.

In light of what we've learned about living systems, the hypothesis that all of life is a series of culled genetic accidents is no less ridiculous than the centuries old theory of spontaneous generation.

Evolution is laughably absurd.

tho i welcome opposing arguments, i must tell you that quoting the bible to prove that the bible is true, is not effective. nor are threats of hellfire.
 Quoting: david 33758960


I was hoping you would actually put forth an argument for why you believe in Evolution other than "it makes sense to me"
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If you don't like the word evolution, call it adaption to the surrounding environment instead.
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in the end, it's not a matter of "wanting" evolution to be true. darwin's theory simply makes more sense to me.
 Quoting: david 33758960


I'm sure you like the idea of Evolution. Many find it appealing and sophisticated. But can you show scientific evidence for it?

evolution is a theory, subject to adjustments, waiting for more evidence.
 Quoting: david 33758960



Evolution is a non-falsifiable set of beliefs and presuppositions. It is not waiting for 'more' evidence. It is waiting FOR evidence. It is no more a scientific theory than the ancient materialist philosophies around which it is modeled.

the observations and discussions of fossils, dinosaurs, as well as what i experience in my profession lead me to consider evolution as possible.
 Quoting: david 33758960


Can you elaborate with an argument?

conversely there is nothing in the creationists argument that to me is hard evidence , or for that matter even logical.
 Quoting: david 33758960


All of Biology reflects an astounding level of functional complexity that absolutely defies any sort of blind naturalistic darwinian-style formation.

In light of what we've learned about living systems, the hypothesis that all of life is a series of culled genetic accidents is no less ridiculous than the centuries old theory of spontaneous generation.

Evolution is laughably absurd.

tho i welcome opposing arguments, i must tell you that quoting the bible to prove that the bible is true, is not effective. nor are threats of hellfire.
 Quoting: david 33758960


I was hoping you would actually put forth an argument for why you believe in Evolution other than "it makes sense to me"
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and i was certainly anticipating some alternative explanation of what you might replace evolution with along with some hard evidence to help me accept it.

of course all you could tell me was that you don't believe in evolution, so it can't be true.

please tell me you have something more.
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Evolution is a quasi-religious, naturalist philosophy that predates Christianity. It is by no means the result of scientific investigation as we are taught.

This pseudo-science was mandated by Royal Societies as a foundation of biology, in a time when Spontaneous Generation (mice spawning from old rags) was still viewed as a legitimate theory, and when the living cell was considered to be nothing more than a blob of undifferentiated jello.

Since then, the life sciences have been marred with superstitious magical thinking, and a force fitting of data in any way that will conform to several non-falsifiable evolutionary models.

Our life on Earth is but a vapor. Please do not simply accept this story you've been told about Evolution. Please understand that a majority of scientists have believed dumb and wrong ideas all throughout history, often being spurred on by the popular philosophies of that age. Naturalism(Atheism) is considered the 'sophisticated' belief system in our day. Contrary to their mantras, it has very little to do with science.

I do believe in Creation by the Almighty God of the Bible. My hope here is to wake people up to the illusion of the scientific fraud that is Evolution, so that they may think carefully and skeptically on the subject of their true origins.

It was through studying evolution, that God revealed to me that this 'theory' was the imagination of foolish men, and delivered me to the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray for the same for others reading. Seek the Absolute Truth!

With that said, my challenge is extended to Evolutionists. I submit that your views are not based on scientific evidence, but on religious and philosophical belief in the theory itself.


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and i was certainly anticipating some alternative explanation of what you might replace evolution with along with some hard evidence to help me accept it.

of course all you could tell me was that you don't believe in evolution, so it can't be true.

please tell me you have something more.
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Obviously you're not prepared to defend your beliefs in Evolution. You're unable to muster a single argument.
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But it is very strange that fossils of more and more simple life forms occur as you go backwards in time through sedimentary strata.
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You must learn to face that birds were once dinosaurs.

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