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CHALLENGE TO EVOLUTIONISTS

 
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i can post some really boring genetics articles if you like, though i doubt you would read them.
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Go for it. But please don't just spam links. Actually present the argument in a clear and concise manner, and prove you actually know what argument your making.

In case you've forgotten, I already responded to your first link. And I asked you why genome duplication events support Evolution?

You never replied.
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[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"Every genome rearrangement study involves solving a combinatorial puzzle to find a series of genome rearrangements to transform one genome into another. For multichromosomal genomes, the most common rearrangements are reversals (also known as inversions), translocations, fusions, and fissions, and the number of such rearrangements in a most parsimonious scenario is known as the genomic distance between multichromosomal genomes"

Why are you so focused on genome duplication? That is not the only basis for evolutionary theory. Genomes can tranform, fission with one another, fuse, relocate, etc...

All of which play a role in the gradual evolution of a species from one form to another.
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why do philisophical arguements only work for intelligent design?
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Because evolution has been proven wrong?

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how exactly has it been proven wrong?
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Evolution insists the world is 4.5 billion years old, and by their same metrics... they prove it is less than 50000.So tell me how evolution works in 50000 years?
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yeah i dont know what you are talking about with all that.
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Second law only says you can't decrease entropy without an external source. That is it.
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So it doesnt apply to our universe? What does it apply to according to YOU? Our universe is the closed system. Everything in it tends toward disorder over time. If it didnt, you wouldve provided an example to the contrary. Sorry John, things dont last forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


Indeed, some physisists argue that the universe is the only true closed system.

If everything moved to disorder how do you explain snowflakes?
 Quoting: John Kimble


They melt? Rain evaporates? There needs to be a mechanism to convert the energy, or else it will only break it down. When a snowflake is on the grond, there is no more mechanism in the clouds, and it breaks down.. Human embryos have a mchanism to convert energy, thats why they grow. But the second law applies to us too, when we get old and die...Getting this yet?
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The 2nd law doesn't apply to open systems.

Getting this yet?

You die because your organs fail, not because of entropy.
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Second law only says you can't decrease entropy without an external source. That is it.
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So it doesnt apply to our universe? What does it apply to according to YOU? Our universe is the closed system. Everything in it tends toward disorder over time. If it didnt, you wouldve provided an example to the contrary. Sorry John, things dont last forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


Indeed, some physisists argue that the universe is the only true closed system.

If everything moved to disorder how do you explain snowflakes?
 Quoting: John Kimble


They melt? Rain evaporates? There needs to be a mechanism to convert the energy, or else it will only break it down. When a snowflake is on the grond, there is no more mechanism in the clouds, and it breaks down.. Human embryos have a mchanism to convert energy, thats why they grow. But the second law applies to us too, when we get old and die...Getting this yet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


Some problems.

The sun.

Tidal influence from the moon

Molten core.

All these things make it so that the earth is not a closed system on its own.

Also crystal formation would be a better example then snowflakes to counter your previous argument.
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What are the Limits of Darwinism? A Presentation by Dr. Michael Behe 2012


[link to www.youtube.com]
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I love these posts,

A person who obviously cannot think for themselves and let their thoughts be guided by "experts"


Fucking problem is, you have me here to tell you how full of shit you are.

wheres your video against me?
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So it doesnt apply to our universe? What does it apply to according to YOU? Our universe is the closed system. Everything in it tends toward disorder over time. If it didnt, you wouldve provided an example to the contrary. Sorry John, things dont last forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


Indeed, some physisists argue that the universe is the only true closed system.

If everything moved to disorder how do you explain snowflakes?
 Quoting: John Kimble


They melt? Rain evaporates? There needs to be a mechanism to convert the energy, or else it will only break it down. When a snowflake is on the grond, there is no more mechanism in the clouds, and it breaks down.. Human embryos have a mchanism to convert energy, thats why they grow. But the second law applies to us too, when we get old and die...Getting this yet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


Some problems.

The sun.

Tidal influence from the moon

Molten core.

All these things make it so that the earth is not a closed system on its own.

Also crystal formation would be a better example then snowflakes to counter your previous argument.
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can the tide fix the oil in my engine? the sun?

You are missing the simple fact that everything decays
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i can post some really boring genetics articles if you like, though i doubt you would read them.
 Quoting: Oyster


Go for it. But please don't just spam links. Actually present the argument in a clear and concise manner, and prove you actually know what argument your making.

In case you've forgotten, I already responded to your first link. And I asked you why genome duplication events support Evolution?

You never replied.
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[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"Every genome rearrangement study involves solving a combinatorial puzzle to find a series of genome rearrangements to transform one genome into another. For multichromosomal genomes, the most common rearrangements are reversals (also known as inversions), translocations, fusions, and fissions, and the number of such rearrangements in a most parsimonious scenario is known as the genomic distance between multichromosomal genomes"

Why are you so focused on genome duplication? That is not the only basis for evolutionary theory. Genomes can tranform, fission with one another, fuse, relocate, etc...

All of which play a role in the gradual evolution of a species from one form to another.
 Quoting: Surfbum25


Also, all of which can be affected by celestial radiation, environmental factors, and dietary factors...that could inevitably cause these genome mutations.

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So it doesnt apply to our universe? What does it apply to according to YOU? Our universe is the closed system. Everything in it tends toward disorder over time. If it didnt, you wouldve provided an example to the contrary. Sorry John, things dont last forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


Indeed, some physisists argue that the universe is the only true closed system.

If everything moved to disorder how do you explain snowflakes?
 Quoting: John Kimble


They melt? Rain evaporates? There needs to be a mechanism to convert the energy, or else it will only break it down. When a snowflake is on the grond, there is no more mechanism in the clouds, and it breaks down.. Human embryos have a mchanism to convert energy, thats why they grow. But the second law applies to us too, when we get old and die...Getting this yet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


The 2nd law doesn't apply to open systems.

Getting this yet?

You die because your organs fail, not because of entropy.
 Quoting: John Kimble


Back to this second law bullshit.

Fuck the second law, how does the Earth spin losing 55 seconds every thousand years....


We will just pretend that didn't slow down at all too, just to make it easy on you.
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i can post some really boring genetics articles if you like, though i doubt you would read them.
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Go for it. But please don't just spam links. Actually present the argument in a clear and concise manner, and prove you actually know what argument your making.

In case you've forgotten, I already responded to your first link. And I asked you why genome duplication events support Evolution?

You never replied.
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[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"Every genome rearrangement study involves solving a combinatorial puzzle to find a series of genome rearrangements to transform one genome into another. For multichromosomal genomes, the most common rearrangements are reversals (also known as inversions), translocations, fusions, and fissions, and the number of such rearrangements in a most parsimonious scenario is known as the genomic distance between multichromosomal genomes"

Why are you so focused on genome duplication? That is not the only basis for evolutionary theory. Genomes can tranform, fission with one another, fuse, relocate, etc...

All of which play a role in the gradual evolution of a species from one form to another.
 Quoting: Surfbum25


Also, all of which can be affected by celestial radiation, environmental factors, and dietary factors...that could inevitably cause these genome mutations.
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Has any of that actually bennefitted anyone? More radiation generally = death
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Indeed, some physisists argue that the universe is the only true closed system.

If everything moved to disorder how do you explain snowflakes?
 Quoting: John Kimble


They melt? Rain evaporates? There needs to be a mechanism to convert the energy, or else it will only break it down. When a snowflake is on the grond, there is no more mechanism in the clouds, and it breaks down.. Human embryos have a mchanism to convert energy, thats why they grow. But the second law applies to us too, when we get old and die...Getting this yet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


The 2nd law doesn't apply to open systems.

Getting this yet?

You die because your organs fail, not because of entropy.
 Quoting: John Kimble


Back to this second law bullshit.

Fuck the second law, how does the Earth spin losing 55 seconds every thousand years....


We will just pretend that didn't slow down at all too, just to make it easy on you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


How do you know its slowing down at that rate, and has been for its entire life? Perhaps, it only started slowing down at half the age it is now...perhaps there have been fluctuations in the rotation speed throughout its history...

Its been proven the earth is getting farther from the sun as it rotates. All the planets are slowly slipping towards the edge of our solar system. Something sitting closer to the center of rotation will spin faster than that sitting farther out. Your theory of the earth losing rotation speed at a constant factor is flawed due to too many variables in the equation...
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sorry, last night i got high and forgot about it till this morning.

i believe that link was talking about the split in genomes or something.

here are two that discuss observed evolution:
[link to www.talkorigins.org]
[link to www.talkorigins.org]

this one shows common descent:
[link to www.godlessgeeks.com]


this one is just a good resource on evolution:
[link to evolution.berkeley.edu]
 Quoting: Oyster


Oh boy talkorigins references from the 80's

Please don't just spam links. Present arguments to go with them. Are you capable of that?
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They melt? Rain evaporates? There needs to be a mechanism to convert the energy, or else it will only break it down. When a snowflake is on the grond, there is no more mechanism in the clouds, and it breaks down.. Human embryos have a mchanism to convert energy, thats why they grow. But the second law applies to us too, when we get old and die...Getting this yet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


The 2nd law doesn't apply to open systems.

Getting this yet?

You die because your organs fail, not because of entropy.
 Quoting: John Kimble


Back to this second law bullshit.

Fuck the second law, how does the Earth spin losing 55 seconds every thousand years....


We will just pretend that didn't slow down at all too, just to make it easy on you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


How do you know its slowing down at that rate, and has been for its entire life? Perhaps, it only started slowing down at half the age it is now...perhaps there have been fluctuations in the rotation speed throughout its history...

Its been proven the earth is getting farther from the sun as it rotates. All the planets are slowly slipping towards the edge of our solar system. Something sitting closer to the center of rotation will spin faster than that sitting farther out. Your theory of the earth losing rotation speed at a constant factor is flawed due to too many variables in the equation...
 Quoting: Surfbum25


I hear what you are saying, I understand what you are saying. However... the argument for evolution is that everything today is as it was 4.5 billion years ago.

I use that same science to say that no, according to YOUR OWN SCIENCE, the earth is closer to 25000.

The earths rotation is slowing, 1 second per 18 years. you can figure it out.
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Top Atheist Stupid but True Arguments.

1. Show any proof that evolution is a fake? If got links, say something from your own, if creatards got something to say, ask for links/proof. (goes on and on).

2. Computers are made by science.
-> Of course, science are facts, evolution isn't. A smart 4th grader can tell the difference.

3. Carbon dating? Do not tell creatards that carbon dating are based on false assumptions.

4. God is not real.. <- Yeah if He is not, then you aren't too.

5. Magic rib turned women by God? <- Evolution = Magic Rock turned to Man on its own.

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So it doesnt apply to our universe? What does it apply to according to YOU? Our universe is the closed system. Everything in it tends toward disorder over time. If it didnt, you wouldve provided an example to the contrary. Sorry John, things dont last forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


Indeed, some physisists argue that the universe is the only true closed system.

If everything moved to disorder how do you explain snowflakes?
 Quoting: John Kimble


They melt? Rain evaporates? There needs to be a mechanism to convert the energy, or else it will only break it down. When a snowflake is on the grond, there is no more mechanism in the clouds, and it breaks down.. Human embryos have a mchanism to convert energy, thats why they grow. But the second law applies to us too, when we get old and die...Getting this yet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


The 2nd law doesn't apply to open systems.

Getting this yet?

You die because your organs fail, not because of entropy.
 Quoting: John Kimble


The whole universe is the closed system..What is your special system you speak of?
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sorry, last night i got high and forgot about it till this morning.

i believe that link was talking about the split in genomes or something.

here are two that discuss observed evolution:
[link to www.talkorigins.org]
[link to www.talkorigins.org]

this one shows common descent:
[link to www.godlessgeeks.com]


this one is just a good resource on evolution:
[link to evolution.berkeley.edu]
 Quoting: Oyster


Oh boy talkorigins references from the 80's

Please don't just spam links. Present arguments to go with them. Are you capable of that?
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"arugments" = i believe those article to be factual.

you can read i am sure. no reason for me to copy and paste from them.

is there a particular point in there that you disagree with?
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^^^^ Another one, God made an imperfect world argument.

Well duh, it's because of SIN (Like LUST, ADULTERY,ect).. Atheistards are imperfect too.. So as everyone else.
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Indeed, some physisists argue that the universe is the only true closed system.

If everything moved to disorder how do you explain snowflakes?
 Quoting: John Kimble


They melt? Rain evaporates? There needs to be a mechanism to convert the energy, or else it will only break it down. When a snowflake is on the grond, there is no more mechanism in the clouds, and it breaks down.. Human embryos have a mchanism to convert energy, thats why they grow. But the second law applies to us too, when we get old and die...Getting this yet?
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The 2nd law doesn't apply to open systems.

Getting this yet?

You die because your organs fail, not because of entropy.
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The whole universe is the closed system..What is your special system you speak of?
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Holy shit 2 people in this forum actually get it. I am still waiting for an example of an open system.
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i can post some really boring genetics articles if you like, though i doubt you would read them.
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Go for it. But please don't just spam links. Actually present the argument in a clear and concise manner, and prove you actually know what argument your making.

In case you've forgotten, I already responded to your first link. And I asked you why genome duplication events support Evolution?

You never replied.
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[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"Every genome rearrangement study involves solving a combinatorial puzzle to find a series of genome rearrangements to transform one genome into another. For multichromosomal genomes, the most common rearrangements are reversals (also known as inversions), translocations, fusions, and fissions, and the number of such rearrangements in a most parsimonious scenario is known as the genomic distance between multichromosomal genomes"
 Quoting: Surfbum25


Yes all sorts of interesting activity occurs within and outside of the genome.

Where is your evidence that these variations lead to Evolution of increasingly complex functional structures that a species did not already possess?


Why are you so focused on genome duplication? That is not the only basis for evolutionary theory. Genomes can tranform, fission with one another, fuse, relocate, etc...

All of which play a role in the gradual evolution of a species from one form to another.
 Quoting: Surfbum25


Oyster's first link was simply a study on GDE's. He never presented an argument to go with it.

Please show evidence of this gradual evolution of one species form to another.
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Indeed, some physisists argue that the universe is the only true closed system.

If everything moved to disorder how do you explain snowflakes?
 Quoting: John Kimble


They melt? Rain evaporates? There needs to be a mechanism to convert the energy, or else it will only break it down. When a snowflake is on the grond, there is no more mechanism in the clouds, and it breaks down.. Human embryos have a mchanism to convert energy, thats why they grow. But the second law applies to us too, when we get old and die...Getting this yet?
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The 2nd law doesn't apply to open systems.

Getting this yet?

You die because your organs fail, not because of entropy.
 Quoting: John Kimble


The whole universe is the closed system..What is your special system you speak of?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


Look, I didn't make this stuff up. You wanna debate scientific definitions?


"II. Thermodynamic systems

Energy transfer is studied in three types of systems:

Open systems
Open systems can exchange both matter and energy with an outside system. They are portions of larger systems and in intimate contact with the larger system. Your body is an open system.

Closed systems
Closed systems exchange energy but not matter with an outside system. Though they are typically portions of larger systems, they are not in complete contact. The Earth is essentially a closed system; it obtains lots of energy from the Sun but the exchange of matter with the outside is almost zero.

Isolated systems
Isolated systems can exchange neither energy nor matter with an outside system. While they may be portions of larger systems, they do not communicate with the outside in any way. The physical universe is an isolated system; a closed thermos bottle is essentially an isolated system (though its insulation is not perfect)."

Still not getting it do you?

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The 2nd law doesn't apply to open systems.

Getting this yet?

You die because your organs fail, not because of entropy.
 Quoting: John Kimble


Back to this second law bullshit.

Fuck the second law, how does the Earth spin losing 55 seconds every thousand years....


We will just pretend that didn't slow down at all too, just to make it easy on you.


How do you know its slowing down at that rate, and has been for its entire life? Perhaps, it only started slowing down at half the age it is now...perhaps there have been fluctuations in the rotation speed throughout its history...

Its been proven the earth is getting farther from the sun as it rotates. All the planets are slow
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586
ing towards the edge of our solar system. Something sitting closer to the center of rotation will spin faster than that sitting farther out. Your theory of the earth losing rotation speed at a constant factor is flawed due to too many variables in the equation...


I hear what you are saying, I understand what you are saying. However... the argument for evolution is that everything today is as it was 4.5 billion years ago.

I use that same science to say that no, according to YOUR OWN SCIENCE, the earth is closer to 25000.

The earths rotation is slowing, 1 second per 18 years. you can fi
 Quoting: Surfbum25
out.


Huh?? The argument for evolution is that over time, living organisms have evolved and adapted into what we see today from another form of living organism. Has nothing to do with the earth being as it was 4.5bya...

Of course the earth wasnt as it is today.. That was a pretty redundant response. Also, how is it MY SCIENCE..? I hav
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specifically stated an argument for the age of the earth, simply that living things have evolved from previous forms into what they are today...your losing track of topic here..

Fluctuations in solar activity throughout time vary the levels of radiation in the atmosphere, fluctuations of crust and mantle vary the landscape and structure of the earth, fluctuations in magnetic fields change the weather and environmental makeup of the planet. All these things lead to changes and evolutions of the organisms on this planet to adapt and evolve in order for the preservation of life.
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John, the sun is extremely harmful to us. UV, x-rays, radiation, it all contributes to decay. It will take the paint off your car too. Random organ failure isnt the cause, the sun and radiation is.
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I am going to stick with, I win you LOSE
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"arugments" = i believe those article to be factual.

you can read i am sure. no reason for me to copy and paste from them.

is there a particular point in there that you disagree with?
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Sorry. I know this is a tall order, but you really are going to have to present a logical argument.

This isn't a challenge to see who can copy-paste a talkorigins link.
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They melt? Rain evaporates? There needs to be a mechanism to convert the energy, or else it will only break it down. When a snowflake is on the grond, there is no more mechanism in the clouds, and it breaks down.. Human embryos have a mchanism to convert energy, thats why they grow. But the second law applies to us too, when we get old and die...Getting this yet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


The 2nd law doesn't apply to open systems.

Getting this yet?

You die because your organs fail, not because of entropy.
 Quoting: John Kimble


The whole universe is the closed system..What is your special system you speak of?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


Look, I didn't make this stuff up. You wanna debate scientific definitions?


"II. Thermodynamic systems

Energy transfer is studied in three types of systems:

Open systems
Open systems can exchange both matter and energy with an outside system. They are portions of larger systems and in intimate contact with the larger system. Your body is an open system.

Closed systems
Closed systems exchange energy but not matter with an outside system. Though they are typically portions of larger systems, they are not in complete contact. The Earth is essentially a closed system; it obtains lots of energy from the Sun but the exchange of matter with the outside is almost zero.

Isolated systems
Isolated systems can exchange neither energy nor matter with an outside system. While they may be portions of larger systems, they do not communicate with the outside in any way. The physical universe is an isolated system; a closed thermos bottle is essentially an isolated system (though its insulation is not perfect)."

Still not getting it do you?
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What is the matter and energy humans are exchanging with the environment?
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"arugments" = i believe those article to be factual.

you can read i am sure. no reason for me to copy and paste from them.

is there a particular point in there that you disagree with?
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Sorry. I know this is a tall order, but you really are going to have to present a logical argument.

This isn't a challenge to see who can copy-paste a talkorigins link.
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if you cant refute any of the articles then you cant, that's ok.

but what you are asking for will never be "proven" because you cant create an experiment to prove gradual evolution.

much in the same way that you cant create an experiment to prove the existence of a deity.
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"arugments" = i believe those article to be factual.

you can read i am sure. no reason for me to copy and paste from them.

is there a particular point in there that you disagree with?
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Sorry. I know this is a tall order, but you really are going to have to present a logical argument.

This isn't a challenge to see who can copy-paste a talkorigins link.
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I will second this on the point of actually making points.

Not posting vids... actually discussing the topic
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What is the matter and energy humans are exchanging with the environment?
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O2 for CO2?
Sugar for Heat?

Again, I didn't just make this stuff up.

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"arugments" = i believe those article to be factual.

you can read i am sure. no reason for me to copy and paste from them.

is there a particular point in there that you disagree with?
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Sorry. I know this is a tall order, but you really are going to have to present a logical argument.

This isn't a challenge to see who can copy-paste a talkorigins link.
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I will second this on the point of actually making points.

Not posting vids... actually discussing the topic
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Maybe you mean the human digestive/respiratory system being open? It is still part of the whole, which is still subject to disorder just like EVeRYTHING else in the universe.
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wow the feds got involved

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