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CHALLENGE TO EVOLUTIONISTS

 
John Kimble

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Humans are a part of the universe. The universe is a closed system.
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So then there can't be open systems since everything is part of the universe.
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Humans are a part of the universe. The universe is a closed system.
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So then there can't be open systems since everything is part of the universe.
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The only people advocating an open system is you and the sources you dont cite. If the universe is a closed system, this includes everything in it.. (for the 5th time)
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Humans are a part of the universe. The universe is a closed system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


So then there can't be open systems since everything is part of the universe.
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The only people advocating an open system is you and the sources you dont cite. If the universe is a closed system, this includes everything in it.. (for the 5th time)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


look retard, you don't seem to be getting the fact that the same science that explains what an closed system is considering Thermodynamics defines humans as open systems.

Here let me show you once again

"Open System
An open system is a system that freely exchanges energy and matter with its surroundings. For instance, when you are boiling soup in an open saucepan on a stove, energy and matter are being transferred to the surroundings through steam. The saucepan is an open system because it allows for the transfer of matter (for example adding spices in the saucepan) and for the transfer of energy (for example heating the saucepan and allowing steam to leave the saucepan).
Let us examine how matter and energy are exchanged in an open system. Matter can be exchanged rather easily: by adding matter (i.e spices) or removing matter (i.e tasting what is being cooked). Energy exchange is a little bit more complicated than matter exchange. There are a couple of ways energy can be exchanged: through heat and through work (a more in-depth discussion of heat and work has been included below). Energy induced through heat can be demonstrated by bringing the system close to an object that dissipates heat (i.e. Bunsen burner, stove, etc.). By doing so, one is able to change the temperature of the system and therefore, induce energy through heat. Another way to increase the energy is through work. An example of inducing work is by taking a stirrer and then mixing the coffee in the cup with the stirrer. By mixing coffee, work is done as the coffee is being moved against a force.
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[link to chemwiki.ucdavis.edu]
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Humans are a part of the universe. The universe is a closed system.
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So then there can't be open systems since everything is part of the universe.
 Quoting: John Kimble


The only people advocating an open system is you and the sources you dont cite. If the universe is a closed system, this includes everything in it.. (for the 5th time)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


look retard, you don't seem to be getting the fact that the same science that explains what an closed system is considering Thermodynamics defines humans as open systems.

Here let me show you once again

"Open System
An open system is a system that freely exchanges energy and matter with its surroundings. For instance, when you are boiling soup in an open saucepan on a stove, energy and matter are being transferred to the surroundings through steam. The saucepan is an open system because it allows for the transfer of matter (for example adding spices in the saucepan) and for the transfer of energy (for example heating the saucepan and allowing steam to leave the saucepan).
Let us examine how matter and energy are exchanged in an open system. Matter can be exchanged rather easily: by adding matter (i.e spices) or removing matter (i.e tasting what is being cooked). Energy exchange is a little bit more complicated than matter exchange. There are a couple of ways energy can be exchanged: through heat and through work (a more in-depth discussion of heat and work has been included below). Energy induced through heat can be demonstrated by bringing the system close to an object that dissipates heat (i.e. Bunsen burner, stove, etc.). By doing so, one is able to change the temperature of the system and therefore, induce energy through heat. Another way to increase the energy is through work. An example of inducing work is by taking a stirrer and then mixing the coffee in the cup with the stirrer. By mixing coffee, work is done as the coffee is being moved against a force.
"

[link to chemwiki.ucdavis.edu]
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Humans are not in there at all.
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So then there can't be open systems since everything is part of the universe.
 Quoting: John Kimble


The only people advocating an open system is you and the sources you dont cite. If the universe is a closed system, this includes everything in it.. (for the 5th time)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


look retard, you don't seem to be getting the fact that the same science that explains what an closed system is considering Thermodynamics defines humans as open systems.

Here let me show you once again

"Open System
An open system is a system that freely exchanges energy and matter with its surroundings. For instance, when you are boiling soup in an open saucepan on a stove, energy and matter are being transferred to the surroundings through steam. The saucepan is an open system because it allows for the transfer of matter (for example adding spices in the saucepan) and for the transfer of energy (for example heating the saucepan and allowing steam to leave the saucepan).
Let us examine how matter and energy are exchanged in an open system. Matter can be exchanged rather easily: by adding matter (i.e spices) or removing matter (i.e tasting what is being cooked). Energy exchange is a little bit more complicated than matter exchange. There are a couple of ways energy can be exchanged: through heat and through work (a more in-depth discussion of heat and work has been included below). Energy induced through heat can be demonstrated by bringing the system close to an object that dissipates heat (i.e. Bunsen burner, stove, etc.). By doing so, one is able to change the temperature of the system and therefore, induce energy through heat. Another way to increase the energy is through work. An example of inducing work is by taking a stirrer and then mixing the coffee in the cup with the stirrer. By mixing coffee, work is done as the coffee is being moved against a force.
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[link to chemwiki.ucdavis.edu]
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Humans are not in there at all.
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So humans don't exchange matter and energy?
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First off, please do not hit me with arguments. I am not a scientist, nor am I religious. I am a cynic in this matter.

As much as I would like to believe in evolution as a more sensible approach to the origins and process of life on this planet, the more I think and consider life and its intricacies, the more I see Darwinism as the more insensible belief (and I don't have to explain why, it's my own idea and I don't want to share it with anyone else).

I said belief, because I don't care how you try to defend them, but it's clear as the light of high summer noon that both creationism and evolutionism are belief systems, as Atheism is no less a religion as any other religion they so rabidly detest. Yes, I abhor atheists because they're just like the religious fundamentalists--they think only they hold the keys to enlightenment and everyone else is wrong.
Don't talk like you know everything, dammit.

Because I do.
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The only people advocating an open system is you and the sources you dont cite. If the universe is a closed system, this includes everything in it.. (for the 5th time)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


look retard, you don't seem to be getting the fact that the same science that explains what an closed system is considering Thermodynamics defines humans as open systems.

Here let me show you once again

"Open System
An open system is a system that freely exchanges energy and matter with its surroundings. For instance, when you are boiling soup in an open saucepan on a stove, energy and matter are being transferred to the surroundings through steam. The saucepan is an open system because it allows for the transfer of matter (for example adding spices in the saucepan) and for the transfer of energy (for example heating the saucepan and allowing steam to leave the saucepan).
Let us examine how matter and energy are exchanged in an open system. Matter can be exchanged rather easily: by adding matter (i.e spices) or removing matter (i.e tasting what is being cooked). Energy exchange is a little bit more complicated than matter exchange. There are a couple of ways energy can be exchanged: through heat and through work (a more in-depth discussion of heat and work has been included below). Energy induced through heat can be demonstrated by bringing the system close to an object that dissipates heat (i.e. Bunsen burner, stove, etc.). By doing so, one is able to change the temperature of the system and therefore, induce energy through heat. Another way to increase the energy is through work. An example of inducing work is by taking a stirrer and then mixing the coffee in the cup with the stirrer. By mixing coffee, work is done as the coffee is being moved against a force.
"

[link to chemwiki.ucdavis.edu]
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Humans are not in there at all.
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So humans don't exchange matter and energy?
 Quoting: John Kimble


All this matter and energy is contained within the closed system (universe). Where no energy or matter is created or destroyed (1st law). Why do you keep questioning, where is this eventually going to get you?
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Evolution is a process governed by "natural selection." I'm not sure if you know what that means.

First, random genetic variations occur in nature all the time. This is undisputed. The idea behind "evolution" is that those animals that have adaptive advantages conferred on them due to these random variations will live longer than other animals, breed, and hence propagate that specific genetic variation. That is, "natural" genetic variations "select" those animals adapted sufficiently well to their surrounding environment for survival.
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Thank you, Captain Obvious.

Natural Selection kills things that aren't suited to their environment.

Please present your arguments or evidence that Natural Selection of random variations can build increasingly complex and functional elements in a species.
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Lol so you're going to ask ME for evidence, but God gets the (no doubt wonderful) privilege of being able to talk to you directly? HAHA that's just rich. If God has spoken to you directly why do you even need "evidence" and "arguments" from a mere mortal such as myself?



If a mutation creates a more complex organism than one before it, and that mutation confers adaptive advantages for the new organism, then - viola! Complexity has emerged. Hundreds of scientific papers have been written on the subject, and if you weren't just some "God speaks to me" crack-pot I might even care to waste my time and provide just a few of them.

SO - why can't you comment on how ironic it is that you claim Darwinian theory is "unfalsifiable" and then proceed to say God revealed to you, a priori, no doubt, that evolution is a theory of "the imagination of foolish men?" HAHAHA you want to know what ELSE I just heard coming from the imagination of a foolish man? The idea that God spoke to him directly about this issue. Something you and no one else will never be able to prove true or false, no doubt.

But in the meantime, I would get your head checked by a shrink. Got hasn't spoken to you. So stop kidding yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2029220


Name a mutation that added new information. You must not understand the concept of a genetic mutation, it is only deletrious or scrambles existing information. Theres never anything new added. That should save you some time..
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OK. Let me explain how this works. I'm not providing you scientific evidence of anything, and here's why.

The standard of proof you used in your argument doesn't call for scientific argumentation. You claimed that God talked to you and told you the truth. Ergo, I am not going to provide you scientific evidence to refute your wholly unscientific claim.

All I can say to you is that God spoke to me and told me that people who deny evolution have only imagined such things. Otherwise, I do not owe you the dignity of providing scientific evidence when you have provided none yourself. Understand?
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Thank you, Captain Obvious.

Natural Selection kills things that aren't suited to their environment.

Please present your arguments or evidence that Natural Selection of random variations can build increasingly complex and functional elements in a species.
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Lol so you're going to ask ME for evidence, but God gets the (no doubt wonderful) privilege of being able to talk to you directly? HAHA that's just rich. If God has spoken to you directly why do you even need "evidence" and "arguments" from a mere mortal such as myself?



If a mutation creates a more complex organism than one before it, and that mutation confers adaptive advantages for the new organism, then - viola! Complexity has emerged. Hundreds of scientific papers have been written on the subject, and if you weren't just some "God speaks to me" crack-pot I might even care to waste my time and provide just a few of them.

SO - why can't you comment on how ironic it is that you claim Darwinian theory is "unfalsifiable" and then proceed to say God revealed to you, a priori, no doubt, that evolution is a theory of "the imagination of foolish men?" HAHAHA you want to know what ELSE I just heard coming from the imagination of a foolish man? The idea that God spoke to him directly about this issue. Something you and no one else will never be able to prove true or false, no doubt.

But in the meantime, I would get your head checked by a shrink. Got hasn't spoken to you. So stop kidding yourself.
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Name a mutation that added new information. You must not understand the concept of a genetic mutation, it is only deletrious or scrambles existing information. Theres never anything new added. That should save you some time..
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OK. Let me explain how this works. I'm not providing you scientific evidence of anything, and here's why.

The standard of proof you used in your argument doesn't call for scientific argumentation. You claimed that God talked to you and told you the truth. Ergo, I am not going to provide you scientific evidence to refute your wholly unscientific claim.

All I can say to you is that God spoke to me and told me that people who deny evolution have only imagined such things. Otherwise, I do not owe you the dignity of providing scientific evidence when you have provided none yourself. Understand?
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No, because I didnt specify 'God' in that post. I mentioned mutations, which you want to cleverly sidestep. If you dont know, dont bother.
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anatomical paralogy makes a case for evolution, regardless of the spin this article puts on it.
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Well you dropped a term, I guess that is almost an argument.

Oh yea, great case. Only you have no feasible evolutionary mechanism to drive those changes, no unambiguous gradual transitions to infer from the fossil record that such gradual changes took place, and no explicit evidence of any kind to infer paralogy or homology is the result of common descent, rather than an intelligent reuse of excellently designed structures.
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for the record, i havent attacked you and you have continually done so to me (not very christian of you). because of this i wonder if you are even a christian at all.

you are asking absolute proof of a theory which is in itself impossible. much like absolute proof of a god.

personally i think there is absolutely someone or something more powerful than ourselves out there. but i cant prove that to ya either.
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Page 14 and the best(only) argument we have for Evolution is that we don't find a dog fossil in the Cambrian.
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How can you not believe that things do not evolve OP?
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there is a difference in believing in the FACT of adaptation and variation, but automatically assuming that because of this, species can change from one to another is just pseudo-science. and people who vehemently defend this are adhering to it like its a religion to them.
ill say it again. ADAPTATION AND VARIATION EXIST AND ITS A KNOWN FACT (micro-evolution if you will)

expanding that to MACROEVOLUTION (one specie to the next) is just a FARSE
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for the record, i havent attacked you and you have continually done so to me (not very christian of you). because of this i wonder if you are even a christian at all.

you are asking absolute proof of a theory which is in itself impossible. much like absolute proof of a god.

personally i think there is absolutely someone or something more powerful than ourselves out there. but i cant prove that to ya either.
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If I have shown any aggression it's because you have been spamming this thread constantly, attempting to derail the discussion with philosophical questions after I repeatedly asked you not to. After 12 or so pages You finally blurted out the words "anatomical paralogy" and I responded.

Now you're inserting a strawman claiming I'm asking for "absolute proof" which I am not. All I'm asking for is a scientific argument/evidence for Evolution. At the very least, something that can be falsified, which is the minimum requirement for a real scientific theory.
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anatomical paralogy makes a case for evolution, regardless of the spin this article puts on it.
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Well you dropped a term, I guess that is almost an argument.

Oh yea, great case. Only you have no feasible evolutionary mechanism to drive those changes, no unambiguous gradual transitions to infer from the fossil record that such gradual changes took place, and no explicit evidence of any kind to infer paralogy or homology is the result of common descent, rather than an intelligent reuse of excellently designed structures.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


for the record, i havent attacked you and you have continually done so to me (not very christian of you). because of this i wonder if you are even a christian at all.

you are asking absolute proof of a theory which is in itself impossible. much like absolute proof of a god.

personally i think there is absolutely someone or something more powerful than ourselves out there. but i cant prove that to ya either.
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So you should support creationists when we try to get the lies out of the textbooks. If theres no proof for evolution, those theories shouldnt be posing as facts in the books.
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How can you not believe that things do not evolve OP?
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there is a difference in believing in the FACT of adaptation and variation, but automatically assuming that because of this, species can change from one to another is just pseudo-science. and people who vehemently defend this are adhering to it like its a religion to them.
ill say it again. ADAPTATION AND VARIATION EXIST AND ITS A KNOWN FACT (micro-evolution if you will)

expanding that to MACROEVOLUTION (one specie to the next) is just a FARSE
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Next they will play their Speciation card, even though speciation is simply reproductive isolation and does not result in any new functional information that the original species did not already possess.
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Page 14 and the best(only) argument we have for Evolution is that we don't find a dog fossil in the Cambrian.
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Well maybe we have, and it got tossed out by the museum, with all those giant skeletons.
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Lol so you're going to ask ME for evidence, but God gets the (no doubt wonderful) privilege of being able to talk to you directly? HAHA that's just rich. If God has spoken to you directly why do you even need "evidence" and "arguments" from a mere mortal such as myself?



If a mutation creates a more complex organism than one before it, and that mutation confers adaptive advantages for the new organism, then - viola! Complexity has emerged. Hundreds of scientific papers have been written on the subject, and if you weren't just some "God speaks to me" crack-pot I might even care to waste my time and provide just a few of them.

SO - why can't you comment on how ironic it is that you claim Darwinian theory is "unfalsifiable" and then proceed to say God revealed to you, a priori, no doubt, that evolution is a theory of "the imagination of foolish men?" HAHAHA you want to know what ELSE I just heard coming from the imagination of a foolish man? The idea that God spoke to him directly about this issue. Something you and no one else will never be able to prove true or false, no doubt.

But in the meantime, I would get your head checked by a shrink. Got hasn't spoken to you. So stop kidding yourself.
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Name a mutation that added new information. You must not understand the concept of a genetic mutation, it is only deletrious or scrambles existing information. Theres never anything new added. That should save you some time..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


OK. Let me explain how this works. I'm not providing you scientific evidence of anything, and here's why.

The standard of proof you used in your argument doesn't call for scientific argumentation. You claimed that God talked to you and told you the truth. Ergo, I am not going to provide you scientific evidence to refute your wholly unscientific claim.

All I can say to you is that God spoke to me and told me that people who deny evolution have only imagined such things. Otherwise, I do not owe you the dignity of providing scientific evidence when you have provided none yourself. Understand?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34709676


No, because I didnt specify 'God' in that post. I mentioned mutations, which you want to cleverly sidestep. If you dont know, dont bother.
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Well well thanks for calling me clever - that's probably the best compliment I'm going to get from you so I'll take it. Actually, I was responding to your original post (as you can see by reading my first response), which stated:

"It was through studying evolution, that God revealed to me that this 'theory' was the imagination of foolish men, and delivered me to the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray for the same for others reading. Seek the Absolute Truth!"

It didn't occur to me that a scientific-minded person would have made that statement, so you'll have to, ahem, forgive me for not refuting you using PROPER scientific documentation, doctor (which I'm assuming is your title, naturally).

And if I am mistaken, and you are indeed the next Albert Einstein of microbiology, ready to stun us all with your powerful and compelling evisceration of doctrinal evolutionary theory, even you should know, with that powerful scientific mind of yours, that disproving evolutionary theory does not amount to proving the existence of God or intelligent design. It would merely serve to disprove evolution. You still haven't provided one shred of evidence proving the existence of God, so your case remains unproven, and unfalsifiable (besides the voices in your head, of course).
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Wow, thanks to who posted this link earlier. Very comprehensive and up to date list of scientific contradictions to evolution/deep-time hypotheses.

[link to scienceagainstevolution.info]
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Got stumped.. so atheistards tried to debunk this video but failed...

fish going out to the lala land.. nothing can be more stupid than that.
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Wow, it a staggering the incompetence of that answer!

Not to mention the fact that he was totally at a loss to answer at all in the first place and when he did that was the best this evolutionary expert came up with!!

There are so many flaws and inaccuracies in what he says and thus what it implies, impossible to know where best to start.

Now, please any evolutionists out there, forget totally about creationism or any alternative theory for a moment......

Just forget any other diversion and focus on evolution ... is what Dawkins answered a well reasoned, articulate and credible answer to what evolution is all about? Do you really believe what he puts forward as evolution is the absolute gospel truth of what has happened?
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Of course, they can't answer that.

The tip top of the atheistic capstone can't answer straight.

The Ultimate Fraudster... the atheists' god..

No other than Dawkins himself..
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Page 14 and the best(only) argument we have for Evolution is that we don't find a dog fossil in the Cambrian.
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Well maybe we have, and it got tossed out by the museum, with all those giant skeletons.
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It wouldn't matter if we did. They could find a human in the cambrian and it would be dismissed as an anomaly, like all those dinosaurs fossils with soft-tissue dated under 40k years.
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Name a mutation that added new information. You must not understand the concept of a genetic mutation, it is only deletrious or scrambles existing information. Theres never anything new added. That should save you some time..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


OK. Let me explain how this works. I'm not providing you scientific evidence of anything, and here's why.

The standard of proof you used in your argument doesn't call for scientific argumentation. You claimed that God talked to you and told you the truth. Ergo, I am not going to provide you scientific evidence to refute your wholly unscientific claim.

All I can say to you is that God spoke to me and told me that people who deny evolution have only imagined such things. Otherwise, I do not owe you the dignity of providing scientific evidence when you have provided none yourself. Understand?
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No, because I didnt specify 'God' in that post. I mentioned mutations, which you want to cleverly sidestep. If you dont know, dont bother.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540


Well well thanks for calling me clever - that's probably the best compliment I'm going to get from you so I'll take it. Actually, I was responding to your original post (as you can see by reading my first response), which stated:

"It was through studying evolution, that God revealed to me that this 'theory' was the imagination of foolish men, and delivered me to the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray for the same for others reading. Seek the Absolute Truth!"

It didn't occur to me that a scientific-minded person would have made that statement, so you'll have to, ahem, forgive me for not refuting you using PROPER scientific documentation, doctor (which I'm assuming is your title, naturally).

And if I am mistaken, and you are indeed the next Albert Einstein of microbiology, ready to stun us all with your powerful and compelling evisceration of doctrinal evolutionary theory, even you should know, with that powerful scientific mind of yours, that disproving evolutionary theory does not amount to proving the existence of God or intelligent design. It would merely serve to disprove evolution. You still haven't provided one shred of evidence proving the existence of God, so your case remains unproven, and unfalsifiable (besides the voices in your head, of course).
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That wasnt me, quote better next time.
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Page 14 and the best(only) argument we have for Evolution is that we don't find a dog fossil in the Cambrian.
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Well maybe we have, and it got tossed out by the museum, with all those giant skeletons.
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It wouldn't matter if we did. They could find a human in the cambrian and it would be dismissed as an anomaly, like all those dinosaurs fossils with soft-tissue dated under 40k years.
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Agreed, I just didnt want to concede anything (even sarcastically) to that John fellow.
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this is sad...you cannot prove god wrong, nor can you prove evolution wrong. they call reliigon a faith because people CHOOSE to believe in it. They call evolution a theory because of the ignorant close-minded creationist who will TRY to prove it incorrect although it has been proven true NUMEROUS times.

If you believe in your religon so much stop trying to prove it...have faith in what you believe and stop trying to change what other people believe. If you are looking to prove the existance of God then its not faith. you shouldnt need to prove God if you believe so much.

Personally I believe in a wacky combo of a Higher power and evolution and you have no right to challenge my beliefs or the beliefs of anyone else. the whole god vs. evolution battle is getting stale...you shouldnt be judging people based on their belief, thats like saying "My religion is right, and yours is incorrect." Its complete Bull$H!T :]


and honestly OP nutkick
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Mutations = One of the dumbest supposedly proof for evolution.
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this is sad...you cannot prove god wrong, nor can you prove evolution wrong. they call reliigon a faith because people CHOOSE to believe in it. They call evolution a theory because of the ignorant close-minded creationist who will TRY to prove it incorrect although it has been proven true NUMEROUS times.

If you believe in your religon so much stop trying to prove it...have faith in what you believe and stop trying to change what other people believe. If you are looking to prove the existance of God then its not faith. you shouldnt need to prove God if you believe so much.

Personally I believe in a wacky combo of a Higher power and evolution and you have no right to challenge my beliefs or the beliefs of anyone else. the whole god vs. evolution battle is getting stale...you shouldnt be judging people based on their belief, thats like saying "My religion is right, and yours is incorrect." Its complete Bull$H!T :]


and honestly OP nutkick
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You can prove evolution wrong by showing there is no proof. So there is no fact, only a theory based on no observations.
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Lol. You know, you people understand science perfectly. Obviously, if you can challenge one aspect of evolutionary theory, clearly God exists and evolution is bullshit. No further scientific inquiry required.

I'm telling you jackasses, Adam and Eve weren't created by God 6,000 years ago and put in a Garden of Eden. The Earth has been around for billions of years and the Bible is full of so much bullshit about what the actual physical world we live in IS that it makes the theory of evolution look inscrutable by comparison, and you all now it so stop being so disingenuous and boorish.
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Evolution = Storytelling, nothing more.

The experimental evidence we do have, shows us that no lifeforms anywhere are evolving increasingly complex and functional structures. They are merely shuffling, deleting, activating-deactivating expression in information they already possess, in response to stressful environments.

To think any of the magnificent life systems we see around us are the result of some blind darwinian trajectory is absurd. What's really funny is some of the most complex features are said to have evolved independently upwards of 50 times! LOL

Evolution is a flop-theory, mandated in a time when scientists believed mice spawned from dirty rags.
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Not to mention that ToE is unfalsifiable. Its followers have blind faith that science, given a gazillion years, will discover the elusive proof that their unguided magical nothingness will be found. No matter what evidence is ever presented, no matter how many sub-theories fail, the grand ToE is not to be questioned, not to be doubted, upon pain of excommunication from the fellowship of "free thinkers" who are nothing of the sort.

A case in point is cosmology. The Big Bang theory is coming under increasing doubt even from its supporters, who have finally come to realize that purely hypothetical entities such as dark matter are so removed from the scientific principle of observation that no thinking person can still believe in them. The plasma/electric universe model is finally gaining ground. See also [link to cosmologystatement.org]

This, of course, proves that even modern science is driven more by politics, career protection, and peer pressure than observation, competence, or peer review. And few, if any, branches of science are exempt. But evos have turned lab coats into priestly vestments, classrooms into religious sanctuaries, and Darwin into a prophet. They even resort to the courts to keep data contradictory to ToE from being taught in science classes, because even non-theists who doubt Darwin are seen as heretics.

The whole thing is a farce.
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and i was certainly anticipating some alternative explanation of what you might replace evolution with along with some hard evidence to help me accept it.

of course all you could tell me was that you don't believe in evolution, so it can't be true.

please tell me you have something more.
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Obviously you're not prepared to defend your beliefs in Evolution. You're unable to muster a single argument.
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i do not care if you accept darwins theory.

i don't wish to change your beliefs with my arguments.

however you are the op of this thread. a thread fraught with whining and cajoling, you plead and beg, for us to turn from this theory. i accept your reservations regarding evolution. now, posit an alternative.

frankly you sound desperate. face it you are dying to tell us what we should believe. so get on with it. oh, but try to make your reasons remotely plausible.
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As it's perfectly obvious there has been no "whining and cajoling" from O.P.'s side in this argument, if anyone sounds desperate it's you, for saying such a preposterous thing.
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I'm still waiting for someone to explain how flowers/bees and a gazillion other co-dependencies evolved all in perfect synchrony for millions of years without fail.

Or how 'selection' creates new information, when to select means to take a subset of what already exists.

Or how an unguided process can ever have a net gain in any direction; statistically, it's no different from flipping a coin.

Or how learned skills can be encoded into the gametes in at least one male and one female so the next generation inherits it.

Or how mutation can account for evolution when every experiment has failed to even begin to turn one organism into another; e.g. the "fruit fly" experiment, which only ever produced mutated fruit flies rather than house flies, horse flies, or super flies.

Etc.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


clappa

Dat you nomuse ? banana2

Evolution = Storytelling, nothing more.

The experimental evidence we do have, shows us that no lifeforms anywhere are evolving increasingly complex and functional structures. They are merely shuffling, deleting, activating-deactivating expression in information they already possess, in response to stressful environments.
To think any of the magnificent life systems we see around us are the result of some blind darwinian trajectory is absurd. What's really funny is some of the most complex features are said to have evolved independently upwards of 50 times! LOL

Evolution is a flop-theory, mandated in a time when scientists believed mice spawned from dirty rags.
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You just contradicted everything youve said.. Even science has said that we are all started with the same genetic codes, just predispositions in our environment and our parental genetics cause us to form a certain way. We as humans have the same genetic coding as any other species, just different genetic and environmental triggers over the eons have caused each subsequent species to travel a different genetic pathway. Leading to different species, and different families within the species. Not all the codes are 'activated' so to speak in every species, some remain dormant or recessive until a certain environmental or genetic trigger causes an evolution of that species.

Again I ask you..instead of trying to disprove evolution, how about you prove creation...??

Hmmm, im not sure you can..
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Mmm not sure what happened with that quote above. Anyway, thanks for starting this thread..op.
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