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# CHALLENGE TO EVOLUTIONISTS

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those statements prove or disprove nothing.
Quoting: Oyster

UM NO

It completely disproves the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. Unless you believe that thermodynamics somehow doesn't apply to evolution.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586

you make assumptions with your statements. one being that the slowdown and seperation are a constant from day one of earth's creation.

you are incorrect.
Quoting: Oyster

This is my point exactly,

Using constants from what we have today is the ENTIRE argument for evolution...

Using that same methodology, I just shit all over the theory. SHAT all over it.

I do not believe we have always had the same environment, However, the Earths rotation is probably a better constant than say.. the amount of carbon 14 in the atmosphere? maybe?

Then there's that whole law of thermodynamics....
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586

You quoted me where my math is incorrect, so I'll just add that you need to multiply by another 4000 to get 4 billion years, and the land of really really short days.
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02/18/2013 12:44 PM
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I'm sick of replying to all you brainwashed evolutionists. Do you want proof why your theory is total bullshit?

The Earth's spin is slowing down 1 second every 18 years.

What is that over 4.5 billion years?

well it's 5.5 seconds every 100 years.

so 55 seconds every 1000 years, times another 1000 for one billion years,

Then multiply those numbers by 4, for 4 billion years.

Wow... that Earth is spinning like a top!

Then we can get into the Moon moving away from the earth... Or maybe the magnetosphere losing cohesion?

Whoops... guess it can't be billions of years old eh?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586

those statements prove or disprove nothing.
Quoting: Oyster

UM NO

It completely disproves the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. Unless you believe that thermodynamics somehow doesn't apply to evolution.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586

you make assumptions with your statements. one being that the slowdown and seperation are a constant from day one of earth's creation.

you are incorrect.
Quoting: Oyster

You make exactly the same kind of assumptions when you assert that carbon dating is reliable.
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02/18/2013 12:47 PM
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Re: CHALLENGE TO EVOLUTIONISTS
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those statements prove or disprove nothing.
Quoting: Oyster

UM NO

It completely disproves the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. Unless you believe that thermodynamics somehow doesn't apply to evolution.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586

you make assumptions with your statements. one being that the slowdown and seperation are a constant from day one of earth's creation.

you are incorrect.
Quoting: Oyster

You make exactly the same kind of assumptions when you assert that carbon dating is reliable.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23585212

Carbon dating is not reliable, but it is used in conjunction with the fantasy geologic column to validate evolution. Read my comment again, I said the rotation of the planet is "probably" more reliable than carbon 14, or potasium argon.
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02/18/2013 12:48 PM
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Re: CHALLENGE TO EVOLUTIONISTS
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those statements prove or disprove nothing.
Quoting: Oyster

UM NO

It completely disproves the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. Unless you believe that thermodynamics somehow doesn't apply to evolution.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586

you make assumptions with your statements. one being that the slowdown and seperation are a constant from day one of earth's creation.

you are incorrect.
Quoting: Oyster

You make exactly the same kind of assumptions when you assert that carbon dating is reliable.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23585212

correct.

carbon dating may not be completely reliable. i will admit to that.
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02/18/2013 12:49 PM
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Nothing you can say can challenge a scientific fact, All you can come up with is ramblings on thousand year old literature that was most likely a childrens bed time story... Please stop trying to convince yourselves of your own beleifs if you beleive them beleive them people really dont give a fuck, But honestly stop looking to other people to validate your beleifs for you by agreeing with you, It's sad and pathetic it really really is.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11400595

You sound very confident in the theory.

Certainly it is no problem for you to post these "scientific facts" and explain why they are evidence Evolution?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519

A quick google search would easily do that, I feel no need to provide you with anything since im pretty confident in that it is scientific fact, Where as you seem to just be fishing for people to agree with you to confirm your own beleifs to yourself, Again your very very pathetic.
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Nothing you can say can challenge a scientific fact, All you can come up with is ramblings on thousand year old literature that was most likely a childrens bed time story... Please stop trying to convince yourselves of your own beleifs if you beleive them beleive them people really dont give a fuck, But honestly stop looking to other people to validate your beleifs for you by agreeing with you, It's sad and pathetic it really really is.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11400595

You sound very confident in the theory.

Certainly it is no problem for you to post these "scientific facts" and explain why they are evidence Evolution?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519

A quick google search would easily do that, I feel no need to provide you with anything since im pretty confident in that it is scientific fact, Where as you seem to just be fishing for people to agree with you to confirm your own beleifs to yourself, Again your very very pathetic.
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Spoken like a true brainwashed eugenicist. Running for congress by chance?
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Evolution = Storytelling, nothing more.

The experimental evidence we do have, shows us that no lifeforms anywhere are evolving increasingly complex and functional structures. They are merely shuffling, deleting, activating-deactivating expression in information they already possess, in response to stressful environments.

To think any of the magnificent life systems we see around us are the result of some blind darwinian trajectory is absurd. What's really funny is some of the most complex features are said to have evolved independently upwards of 50 times! LOL

Evolution is a flop-theory, mandated in a time when scientists believed mice spawned from dirty rags.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519

Not to mention that ToE is unfalsifiable. Its followers have blind faith that science, given a gazillion years, will discover the elusive proof that their unguided magical nothingness will be found. No matter what evidence is ever presented, no matter how many sub-theories fail, the grand ToE is not to be questioned, not to be doubted, upon pain of excommunication from the fellowship of "free thinkers" who are nothing of the sort.

A case in point is cosmology. The Big Bang theory is coming under increasing doubt even from its supporters, who have finally come to realize that purely hypothetical entities such as dark matter are so removed from the scientific principle of observation that no thinking person can still believe in them. The plasma/electric universe model is finally gaining ground. See also [link to cosmologystatement.org]

This, of course, proves that even modern science is driven more by politics, career protection, and peer pressure than observation, competence, or peer review. And few, if any, branches of science are exempt. But evos have turned lab coats into priestly vestments, classrooms into religious sanctuaries, and Darwin into a prophet. They even resort to the courts to keep data contradictory to ToE from being taught in science classes, because even non-theists who doubt Darwin are seen as heretics.

The whole thing is a farce.
Quoting: Keep2theCode

Don't even speak about "Blind beleif" seriously i can not understand how some religious moron has the balls to say that beleiving in scientific fact is following it blindly... I beleive science is wrong at times and when it is it admits it is wrong, Unlike you narcassistic morons that seem to think every single thing written in your book is completely correct in every way and could never be wrong you make me sick fucking hypocrits we are not living in the stone ages anymore fucking morons, I really can't wait for the day religions die out so their can finally be peace between nations, It's your bullshit beleifs that cause all the destruction and wars on our planet, You should honestly be ashamed really you all make me want to throw up.
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Re: CHALLENGE TO EVOLUTIONISTS
Nothing you can say can challenge a scientific fact, All you can come up with is ramblings on thousand year old literature that was most likely a childrens bed time story... Please stop trying to convince yourselves of your own beleifs if you beleive them beleive them people really dont give a fuck, But honestly stop looking to other people to validate your beleifs for you by agreeing with you, It's sad and pathetic it really really is.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11400595

You sound very confident in the theory.

Certainly it is no problem for you to post these "scientific facts" and explain why they are evidence Evolution?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519

A quick google search would easily do that, I feel no need to provide you with anything since im pretty confident in that it is scientific fact, Where as you seem to just be fishing for people to agree with you to confirm your own beleifs to yourself, Again your very very pathetic.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11400595

Strong argument.
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No, it isn't falsification. Did the discovery of the coelacanth or blood cells in dino bones cause anyone to stop believing in ToE? Not at all, though any other theory would be considered debunked at that point. If a theory predicts certain things cannot happen, but they are discovered to have happened, then that theory should be discarded. Yet there is nothing any evo will accept as proof against their theory, as these discoveries show. Even if a pterodon were to fly across their university campus, they would refuse to abandon ToE. That is the meaning of unfalsifiable.

Quoting: Keep2theCode

How do coelacanth or blood cells in dino bones provide evidence against the mechanism of evolution? It doesn't. Species don't HAVE to adapt/evolve. Red blood cells in dino fossils only proofs that red blood cells can remain intact after millions of years, it has nothing to do with evolution but rather with the mechanism of fossilisation.

A dog buried next to trilobites would infact disprove evolution cause evolution says life evolved from common ancestors. Trilobites are considered the ancestor for most vertebrates. If you would find a dog fossil (or any other fossil that is assumed to have formed millions of years after trilobites) that would mean animals didn't evolve from a common ancestor hence disproving one of the most fundamental principles of evolution.
Quoting: John Kimble

As would a pteradactyl flying overhead in present day. Which they dont.. All we see are the modern day versions of what they have 'adapted' into due to environmental triggers.
Quoting: Surfbum25

We have consistently carbon dated dinosaur soft tissue at 20,000-30,000 years old.

Conference Presentation

Nothing will falsify Evolution. All contradictory data is dismissed on the religious grounds that it must be incorrect if it disproves deep-time Evolution. Period.
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Nothing you can say can challenge a scientific fact, All you can come up with is ramblings on thousand year old literature that was most likely a childrens bed time story... Please stop trying to convince yourselves of your own beleifs if you beleive them beleive them people really dont give a fuck, But honestly stop looking to other people to validate your beleifs for you by agreeing with you, It's sad and pathetic it really really is.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11400595

You sound very confident in the theory.

Certainly it is no problem for you to post these "scientific facts" and explain why they are evidence Evolution?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519

A quick google search would easily do that, I feel no need to provide you with anything since im pretty confident in that it is scientific fact, Where as you seem to just be fishing for people to agree with you to confirm your own beleifs to yourself, Again your very very pathetic.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11400595

Spoken like a true brainwashed eugenicist. Running for congress by chance?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586

Their is not really any point in even trying to explain to a braindead moron religious nutbag to be honest i have given up with you people you are beyond hope, At least our younger generation are seeing sense since religion is becoming less and less popular, Not long untill all that bullshit is swept under the carpet for good.
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02/18/2013 12:55 PM
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Evolution = Storytelling, nothing more.

The experimental evidence we do have, shows us that no lifeforms anywhere are evolving increasingly complex and functional structures. They are merely shuffling, deleting, activating-deactivating expression in information they already possess, in response to stressful environments.

To think any of the magnificent life systems we see around us are the result of some blind darwinian trajectory is absurd. What's really funny is some of the most complex features are said to have evolved independently upwards of 50 times! LOL

Evolution is a flop-theory, mandated in a time when scientists believed mice spawned from dirty rags.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519

Not to mention that ToE is unfalsifiable. Its followers have blind faith that science, given a gazillion years, will discover the elusive proof that their unguided magical nothingness will be found. No matter what evidence is ever presented, no matter how many sub-theories fail, the grand ToE is not to be questioned, not to be doubted, upon pain of excommunication from the fellowship of "free thinkers" who are nothing of the sort.

A case in point is cosmology. The Big Bang theory is coming under increasing doubt even from its supporters, who have finally come to realize that purely hypothetical entities such as dark matter are so removed from the scientific principle of observation that no thinking person can still believe in them. The plasma/electric universe model is finally gaining ground. See also [link to cosmologystatement.org]

This, of course, proves that even modern science is driven more by politics, career protection, and peer pressure than observation, competence, or peer review. And few, if any, branches of science are exempt. But evos have turned lab coats into priestly vestments, classrooms into religious sanctuaries, and Darwin into a prophet. They even resort to the courts to keep data contradictory to ToE from being taught in science classes, because even non-theists who doubt Darwin are seen as heretics.

The whole thing is a farce.
Quoting: Keep2theCode

Don't even speak about "Blind beleif" seriously i can not understand how some religious moron has the balls to say that beleiving in scientific fact is following it blindly... I beleive science is wrong at times and when it is it admits it is wrong, Unlike you narcassistic morons that seem to think every single thing written in your book is completely correct in every way and could never be wrong you make me sick fucking hypocrits we are not living in the stone ages anymore fucking morons, I really can't wait for the day religions die out so their can finally be peace between nations, It's your bullshit beleifs that cause all the destruction and wars on our planet, You should honestly be ashamed really you all make me want to throw up.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11400595

Have you ever seen a tomato turn into something other than a tomato?

I'm not trying to prove any religion here, just showing you that your BS theory is not at all science, and not by any stretch fact.
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No, it isn't falsification. Did the discovery of the coelacanth or blood cells in dino bones cause anyone to stop believing in ToE? Not at all, though any other theory would be considered debunked at that point. If a theory predicts certain things cannot happen, but they are discovered to have happened, then that theory should be discarded. Yet there is nothing any evo will accept as proof against their theory, as these discoveries show. Even if a pterodon were to fly across their university campus, they would refuse to abandon ToE. That is the meaning of unfalsifiable.

Quoting: Keep2theCode

How do coelacanth or blood cells in dino bones provide evidence against the mechanism of evolution? It doesn't. Species don't HAVE to adapt/evolve. Red blood cells in dino fossils only proofs that red blood cells can remain intact after millions of years, it has nothing to do with evolution but rather with the mechanism of fossilisation.

A dog buried next to trilobites would infact disprove evolution cause evolution says life evolved from common ancestors. Trilobites are considered the ancestor for most vertebrates. If you would find a dog fossil (or any other fossil that is assumed to have formed millions of years after trilobites) that would mean animals didn't evolve from a common ancestor hence disproving one of the most fundamental principles of evolution.
Quoting: John Kimble

As would a pteradactyl flying overhead in present day. Which they dont.. All we see are the modern day versions of what they have 'adapted' into due to environmental triggers.
Quoting: Surfbum25

We have consistently carbon dated dinosaur soft tissue at 20,000-30,000 years old.

Conference Presentation

Nothing will falsify Evolution. All contradictory data is dismissed on the religious grounds that it must be incorrect if it disproves deep-time Evolution. Period.
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^^
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Don't even speak about "Blind beleif"
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11400595

Why, because the truth is too painful? Facts are facts, and when you believe with all your heart that ToE will never be proved wrong, you have blind faith.

seriously i can not understand how some religious moron has the balls to say that beleiving in scientific fact is following it blindly...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11400595

Science, we trust... ToE, not at all. They are NOT the same; science is observation and repetition by experiment, while ToE is a philosophical interpretive framework. Someday you evos have got to learn the definition of science.

I beleive science is wrong at times and when it is it admits it is wrong, Unlike you narcassistic morons that seem to think every single thing written in your book is completely correct in every way and could never be wrong you make me sick fucking hypocrits we are not living in the stone ages anymore fucking morons, I really can't wait for the day religions die out so their can finally be peace between nations, It's your bullshit beleifs that cause all the destruction and wars on our planet, You should honestly be ashamed really you all make me want to throw up.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11400595

So puke to your heart's content, because your precious ToE is unfalsifiable and thus unscientific. And ad hominem abusive is still a fallacy. Wanna-be scientists don't get a pass for that.
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You sound very confident in the theory.

Certainly it is no problem for you to post these "scientific facts" and explain why they are evidence Evolution?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519

A quick google search would easily do that, I feel no need to provide you with anything since im pretty confident in that it is scientific fact, Where as you seem to just be fishing for people to agree with you to confirm your own beleifs to yourself, Again your very very pathetic.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11400595

Spoken like a true brainwashed eugenicist. Running for congress by chance?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586

Their is not really any point in even trying to explain to a braindead moron religious nutbag to be honest i have given up with you people you are beyond hope, At least our younger generation are seeing sense since religion is becoming less and less popular, Not long untill all that bullshit is swept under the carpet for good.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11400595

Oh how nice of you to try to insult me and bring religion into this... I said nothing about religion other than evolutionists, essentially having "faith" in what their \$60 biology book told them.

I am telling you it is lies, gave FACTS that no one has yet refuted.

Because you have no arguement, you attack me on a religeous basis....

Proving my point, I am an evolutionist "heretic"
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Evolution = Storytelling, nothing more.

The experimental evidence we do have, shows us that no lifeforms anywhere are evolving increasingly complex and functional structures. They are merely shuffling, deleting, activating-deactivating expression in information they already possess, in response to stressful environments.

To think any of the magnificent life systems we see around us are the result of some blind darwinian trajectory is absurd. What's really funny is some of the most complex features are said to have evolved independently upwards of 50 times! LOL

Evolution is a flop-theory, mandated in a time when scientists believed mice spawned from dirty rags.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519

Not to mention that ToE is unfalsifiable. Its followers have blind faith that science, given a gazillion years, will discover the elusive proof that their unguided magical nothingness will be found. No matter what evidence is ever presented, no matter how many sub-theories fail, the grand ToE is not to be questioned, not to be doubted, upon pain of excommunication from the fellowship of "free thinkers" who are nothing of the sort.

A case in point is cosmology. The Big Bang theory is coming under increasing doubt even from its supporters, who have finally come to realize that purely hypothetical entities such as dark matter are so removed from the scientific principle of observation that no thinking person can still believe in them. The plasma/electric universe model is finally gaining ground. See also [link to cosmologystatement.org]

This, of course, proves that even modern science is driven more by politics, career protection, and peer pressure than observation, competence, or peer review. And few, if any, branches of science are exempt. But evos have turned lab coats into priestly vestments, classrooms into religious sanctuaries, and Darwin into a prophet. They even resort to the courts to keep data contradictory to ToE from being taught in science classes, because even non-theists who doubt Darwin are seen as heretics.

The whole thing is a farce.
Quoting: Keep2theCode

Don't even speak about "Blind beleif" seriously i can not understand how some religious moron has the balls to say that beleiving in scientific fact is following it blindly... I beleive science is wrong at times and when it is it admits it is wrong, Unlike you narcassistic morons that seem to think every single thing written in your book is completely correct in every way and could never be wrong you make me sick fucking hypocrits we are not living in the stone ages anymore fucking morons, I really can't wait for the day religions die out so their can finally be peace between nations, It's your bullshit beleifs that cause all the destruction and wars on our planet, You should honestly be ashamed really you all make me want to throw up.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11400595

Your use of word "fact" shows that you are completely ignorant with regards to the philosophy of science. By believing that something is a scientific "fact" because it is consensus, you are doing what the masses have always done, and they have always been wrong. How much scientific inquiry have you really done on your own? Enough to make an enlightened decision about what to believe?
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Evolution = Storytelling, nothing more.

The experimental evidence we do have, shows us that no lifeforms anywhere are evolving increasingly complex and functional structures. They are merely shuffling, deleting, activating-deactivating expression in information they already possess, in response to stressful environments.

To think any of the magnificent life systems we see around us are the result of some blind darwinian trajectory is absurd. What's really funny is some of the most complex features are said to have evolved independently upwards of 50 times! LOL

Evolution is a flop-theory, mandated in a time when scientists believed mice spawned from dirty rags.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519

Not to mention that ToE is unfalsifiable. Its followers have blind faith that science, given a gazillion years, will discover the elusive proof that their unguided magical nothingness will be found. No matter what evidence is ever presented, no matter how many sub-theories fail, the grand ToE is not to be questioned, not to be doubted, upon pain of excommunication from the fellowship of "free thinkers" who are nothing of the sort.

A case in point is cosmology. The Big Bang theory is coming under increasing doubt even from its supporters, who have finally come to realize that purely hypothetical entities such as dark matter are so removed from the scientific principle of observation that no thinking person can still believe in them. The plasma/electric universe model is finally gaining ground. See also [link to cosmologystatement.org]

This, of course, proves that even modern science is driven more by politics, career protection, and peer pressure than observation, competence, or peer review. And few, if any, branches of science are exempt. But evos have turned lab coats into priestly vestments, classrooms into religious sanctuaries, and Darwin into a prophet. They even resort to the courts to keep data contradictory to ToE from being taught in science classes, because even non-theists who doubt Darwin are seen as heretics.

The whole thing is a farce.
Quoting: Keep2theCode

Don't even speak about "Blind beleif" seriously i can not understand how some religious moron has the balls to say that beleiving in scientific fact is following it blindly... I beleive science is wrong at times and when it is it admits it is wrong, Unlike you narcassistic morons that seem to think every single thing written in your book is completely correct in every way and could never be wrong you make me sick fucking hypocrits we are not living in the stone ages anymore fucking morons, I really can't wait for the day religions die out so their can finally be peace between nations, It's your bullshit beleifs that cause all the destruction and wars on our planet, You should honestly be ashamed really you all make me want to throw up.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11400595

Have you ever seen a tomato turn into something other than a tomato?

I'm not trying to prove any religion here, just showing you that your BS theory is not at all science, and not by any stretch fact.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586

Seeing a tomato turn into something else has nothing to do with this arguement whatsoever it takes millions of years for a species to evolve tiny amounts, What would make you think a tomato is going to suddenly change into something else, Just saying this makes you sound ridiculous, Creatures evolve to adapt to their surroundings over thousands if not millions of years, You can even see a version of this from growing a type of flower in a certain environment then growing another in a completely contradictory environment, The flower will be different in certain ways, This proves living things adapt to their surroundings after thousands if not millions of years, Take perhaps growing a tomatoe in a small greenhouse to growing a tomatoe in a nice open field every time the tomatoes in the wide open field will grow much larger because they are adapting to their surroundings after having much more space to grow, Also you will notice tomato's will grow in different shapes in certain environments, But it is not going to completely change into something entirely different within 1 life time evolution is passed down through thousands of years...
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the level of tard in this thread is extremely high.

good grief people.
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Seeing a tomato turn into something else has nothing to do with this arguement ... But it is not going to completely change into something entirely different within 1 life time evolution is passed down through thousands of years...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11400595

Anyway, how long should we wait for a tomato to become a potato? Will it turn out better than the failed fruit fly experiment?
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the level of tard in this thread is extremely high.

good grief people.
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Instead of complaining, why don't you contribute with some excellent arguments, and so reduce the tard level a bit?
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We have consistently carbon dated dinosaur soft tissue at 20,000-30,000 years old.

Conference Presentation

Nothing will falsify Evolution. All contradictory data is dismissed on the religious grounds that it must be incorrect if it disproves deep-time Evolution. Period.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519

Even if those findings were correct it doesn't disprove evolution, it only disproves our current notion that most dino's went extinct 65 million years ago.

Evolution doesn't say dino's can't exist today or 30.000 years ago.
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the level of tard in this thread is extremely high.

good grief people.
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Instead of complaining, why don't you contribute with some excellent arguments, and so reduce the tard level a bit?
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i believe i have.

(or maybe that was the other evolution thread)
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Not to mention that ToE is unfalsifiable. Its followers have blind faith that science, given a gazillion years, will discover the elusive proof that their unguided magical nothingness will be found. No matter what evidence is ever presented, no matter how many sub-theories fail, the grand ToE is not to be questioned, not to be doubted, upon pain of excommunication from the fellowship of "free thinkers" who are nothing of the sort.

A case in point is cosmology. The Big Bang theory is coming under increasing doubt even from its supporters, who have finally come to realize that purely hypothetical entities such as dark matter are so removed from the scientific principle of observation that no thinking person can still believe in them. The plasma/electric universe model is finally gaining ground. See also [link to cosmologystatement.org]

This, of course, proves that even modern science is driven more by politics, career protection, and peer pressure than observation, competence, or peer review. And few, if any, branches of science are exempt. But evos have turned lab coats into priestly vestments, classrooms into religious sanctuaries, and Darwin into a prophet. They even resort to the courts to keep data contradictory to ToE from being taught in science classes, because even non-theists who doubt Darwin are seen as heretics.

The whole thing is a farce.
Quoting: Keep2theCode

Don't even speak about "Blind beleif" seriously i can not understand how some religious moron has the balls to say that beleiving in scientific fact is following it blindly... I beleive science is wrong at times and when it is it admits it is wrong, Unlike you narcassistic morons that seem to think every single thing written in your book is completely correct in every way and could never be wrong you make me sick fucking hypocrits we are not living in the stone ages anymore fucking morons, I really can't wait for the day religions die out so their can finally be peace between nations, It's your bullshit beleifs that cause all the destruction and wars on our planet, You should honestly be ashamed really you all make me want to throw up.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11400595

Have you ever seen a tomato turn into something other than a tomato?

I'm not trying to prove any religion here, just showing you that your BS theory is not at all science, and not by any stretch fact.
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Seeing a tomato turn into something else has nothing to do with this arguement whatsoever it takes millions of years for a species to evolve tiny amounts, What would make you think a tomato is going to suddenly change into something else, Just saying this makes you sound ridiculous, Creatures evolve to adapt to their surroundings over thousands if not millions of years, You can even see a version of this from growing a type of flower in a certain environment then growing another in a completely contradictory environment, The flower will be different in certain ways, This proves living things adapt to their surroundings after thousands if not millions of years, Take perhaps growing a tomatoe in a small greenhouse to growing a tomatoe in a nice open field every time the tomatoes in the wide open field will grow much larger because they are adapting to their surroundings after having much more space to grow, Also you will notice tomato's will grow in different shapes in certain environments, But it is not going to completely change into something entirely different within 1 life time evolution is passed down through thousands of years...
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Right... and if you read the thread, I showed you with just 1 example, how you don't have billions of years on this planet to accomplish what you believe happened.

If you don't want to do math, explain how evolution can work with the second law of thermodynamics?

It states everything breaks down over time... Evolution does the opposite.

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Right... and if you read the thread, I showed you with just 1 example, how you don't have billions of years on this planet to accomplish what you believe happened.

If you don't want to do math, explain how evolution can work with the second law of thermodynamics?

It states everything breaks down over time... Evolution does the opposite.

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"The second law is a postulate of thermodynamics, but it can be understood and proven using the underlying quantum statistical mechanics. It is an expression of the fact that over time, differences in temperature, pressure, and chemical potential decrease in an isolated physical system, leading eventually to a state of thermodynamic equilibrium."

A living organism is not an isolated system.
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Right... and if you read the thread, I showed you with just 1 example, how you don't have billions of years on this planet to accomplish what you believe happened.

If you don't want to do math, explain how evolution can work with the second law of thermodynamics?

It states everything breaks down over time... Evolution does the opposite.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586

"The second law is a postulate of thermodynamics, but it can be understood and proven using the underlying quantum statistical mechanics. It is an expression of the fact that over time, differences in temperature, pressure, and chemical potential decrease in an isolated physical system, leading eventually to a state of thermodynamic equilibrium."

A living organism is not an isolated system.
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Really? Pretty sure it is... I don't know how you can't see that...

Can you give me an example of a body that this law does not apply too?
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Really? Pretty sure it is... I don't know how you can't see that...

Can you give me an example of a body that this law does not apply too?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586

Really? You don;t understand how a living organism is not isolated? Why do you think you eat? Why do you have metabolism?

If you keep the heat on a pan why doesn't it cool down like 2nd law says?

Cause then it is not an isolated system!
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We have consistently carbon dated dinosaur soft tissue at 20,000-30,000 years old.

Conference Presentation

Nothing will falsify Evolution. All contradictory data is dismissed on the religious grounds that it must be incorrect if it disproves deep-time Evolution. Period.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519

Even if those findings were correct it doesn't disprove evolution, it only disproves our current notion that most dino's went extinct 65 million years ago.

Evolution doesn't say dino's can't exist today or 30.000 years ago.
Quoting: John Kimble

You're right. It only falsifies the entire deep-time dating framework that Evo's have been pushing as a fact for a century. "So Dinos aren't millions of years old after all! No big deal. Everything else we said is true, though. Evolution is a fact after all." lol
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Really? Pretty sure it is... I don't know how you can't see that...

Can you give me an example of a body that this law does not apply too?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586

Really? You don;t understand how a living organism is not isolated? Why do you think you eat? Why do you have metabolism?

If you keep the heat on a pan why doesn't it cool down like 2nd law says?

Cause then it is not an isolated system!
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If you are right, then living organisms DO NOT AGE... feel silly yet?
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I spent 20 minutes reading this thread and didn't learn anything new. Additionally, no one has asked the question that gets to the crux of the matter: Why is it important that we know these things? Life is here, life is now. Live it, and stop looking for validation. Have a nice day.
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Intelligent Design is ad-hoc, because if you want to explain the forming of the DNA, the forming of different organs, or to explain the transition between species as a result of mutation, you have to infer an intelligent force of some sort. The probability that the process could go by itself is too small.
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Science is supposed to observe without bias, then draw all possible conclusions to explain the data. And if the data shows the characteristics of design, the scientific response is to postulate a designer.

But inference is hardly the sole domain of the creationist, since ToE is absolutely saturated with it. In fact, it could not stand at all without heavy inference. For example, you state as fact that there is "transition between species as a result of mutation", yet there is not one proof of such a thing; it is inferred on the a priori assertion of ToE, which is circular reasoning. So both theories rely upon inference.

For this theory to be proved we then we must also prove that this invisible force actually exist. How can this be proven?

It can not, we must believe in it only. And it will be just ad-hoc scientifically.
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We don't have to prove anything at all about the Designer; we only have to conclude that there must be one. And if said Designer must be outside the laws of physics it created, then it cannot be proved or falsified by naturalistic science. By way of illustration, suppose we wanted to measure the range of temperatures inside a volcano. But we have no clue what that range is, so we make a thermometer that goes from 0 to 100 degrees. Then we take our data and conclude that volcanoes never get hotter than 100 degrees! Ridiculous, right? Yet how can the natural possibly observe or measure the supernatural? It's the same as that thermometer: it cannot go beyond its own limits, and wasn't designed to do so.

So how does one prove the supernatural? All naturalism can do is recognize its own limits and say "We don't know what or who the Designer is, but there has to be one".
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I agree that mutation as a process for evolution is not possible. But how else could evolution occur. It has to involve a transformation of the DNA and the change in the number of chromosomes to form a new species. Either there is an evolution with or without a Designer, or it is Creation of all species at once by the Biblical God.

So then for some scientists, they have to explain this "change" (i.e. mutation or what ever to call it) in genetics that causes the forming of a new species from an earlier different species. The same must be the case in the forming of new organs (for example the first appearing of eyes) or the change in organs.

The change in genetics that actually is necessary for an evolution process is thus explained by an external force they call the Designer. It is because they cannot explain it, so it is added something supernatural.

The scientists should use the physical only to prove theories, What is done by spirit or something in other dimensions, they have no instruments to measure.

So it will be religion no matter. You must have faith in it. Else how can we otherwise uphold the evolution theory.

But may be it is a matter of time that we can find the probability is thee after all. In some way.

I feel as if it is better to say that God created all species at once, instead of using intelligent design as a pseudoscientific tool.

Because then we will end up always that evolution is right. So when we find new facts we only adjust it a little bit with the explanation that intelligent design did it.

Ok we can set as a condition that evoluion has to be, and then explain all new facts by it.
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