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CHALLENGE TO EVOLUTIONISTS

 
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do you have an external energy source?

Can you name 1 thing that the second law doesn't apply too? thought maybe?
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Yes, food.

Things that are not closed systems, have told you that like 5 times already.
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i cant even think of a closed system that exists.
 Quoting: Oyster


true isolated systems don't exist.
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i didnt think so.

thanks for the clarification.
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do you have an external energy source?

Can you name 1 thing that the second law doesn't apply too? thought maybe?
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Yes, food.

Things that are not closed systems, have told you that like 5 times already.
 Quoting: John Kimble


Can you eat your way out of death?


You are really sure you aren't a closed system?

There is food you can eat to regenerate your body? Let you live to 400?

Are you dense?

Humans are a closed system, we breath, we eat, we need water just to keep moving longer than 2 days.... otherwise

dun dun dun, second law kills us.
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do you have an external energy source?

Can you name 1 thing that the second law doesn't apply too? thought maybe?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


Yes, food.

Things that are not closed systems, have told you that like 5 times already.
 Quoting: John Kimble


Can you eat your way out of death?


You are really sure you aren't a closed system?

There is food you can eat to regenerate your body? Let you live to 400?

Are you dense?

Humans are a closed system, we breath, we eat, we need water just to keep moving longer than 2 days.... otherwise

dun dun dun, second law kills us.
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"In a closed system, no mass may be transferred in or out of the system boundaries. The system always contains the same amount of matter, but heat and work can be exchanged across the boundary of the system. Whether a system can exchange heat, work, or both is dependent on the property of its boundary.
Adiabatic boundary – not allowing any heat exchange: A thermally isolated system
Rigid boundary – not allowing exchange of work: A mechanically isolated system"

You can't make up your own definitions.

Humans are NOT closed systems, that is exactly why we don't die in 2 days. You are arguing against your own position and you don't even know it cause you are ignorant about most of the stuff you say.
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do you have an external energy source?

Can you name 1 thing that the second law doesn't apply too? thought maybe?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


Yes, food.

Things that are not closed systems, have told you that like 5 times already.
 Quoting: John Kimble


Can you eat your way out of death?


You are really sure you aren't a closed system?

There is food you can eat to regenerate your body? Let you live to 400?

Are you dense?

Humans are a closed system, we breath, we eat, we need water just to keep moving longer than 2 days.... otherwise

dun dun dun, second law kills us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


"In a closed system, no mass may be transferred in or out of the system boundaries. The system always contains the same amount of matter, but heat and work can be exchanged across the boundary of the system. Whether a system can exchange heat, work, or both is dependent on the property of its boundary.
Adiabatic boundary – not allowing any heat exchange: A thermally isolated system
Rigid boundary – not allowing exchange of work: A mechanically isolated system"

You can't make up your own definitions.

Humans are NOT closed systems, that is exactly why we don't die in 2 days. You are arguing against your own position and you don't even know it cause you are ignorant about most of the stuff you say.
 Quoting: John Kimble



If you believe that then do everyone a favor and stop eating, because obviously you don't believe we need outside energy just to keep breathing.... if that isn't closed loop I don't know what is.

Eat your way to 400... By your logic you should be able too.
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If you believe that then do everyone a favor and stop eating, because obviously you don't believe we need outside energy just to keep breathing.... if that isn't closed loop I don't know what is.


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oh my god, being able to eat is EXACTLY WHAT MAKES YOU AN OPEN SYSTEM!!

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If you believe that then do everyone a favor and stop eating, because obviously you don't believe we need outside energy just to keep breathing.... if that isn't closed loop I don't know what is.


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oh my god, being able to eat is EXACTLY WHAT MAKES YOU AN OPEN SYSTEM!!
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Is there a human being that does not need to eat?
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If you believe that then do everyone a favor and stop eating, because obviously you don't believe we need outside energy just to keep breathing.... if that isn't closed loop I don't know what is.


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oh my god, being able to eat is EXACTLY WHAT MAKES YOU AN OPEN SYSTEM!!
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He must be an exeption to the law, because obviously information cant seem to make it through his closed mind..
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If you believe that then do everyone a favor and stop eating, because obviously you don't believe we need outside energy just to keep breathing.... if that isn't closed loop I don't know what is.


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oh my god, being able to eat is EXACTLY WHAT MAKES YOU AN OPEN SYSTEM!!
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Is there a human being that does not need to eat?
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Yeah, a dead one.
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If you believe that then do everyone a favor and stop eating, because obviously you don't believe we need outside energy just to keep breathing.... if that isn't closed loop I don't know what is.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


oh my god, being able to eat is EXACTLY WHAT MAKES YOU AN OPEN SYSTEM!!
 Quoting: John Kimble


Is there a human being that does not need to eat?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


you are very confused.

time to stop posting.
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If you believe that then do everyone a favor and stop eating, because obviously you don't believe we need outside energy just to keep breathing.... if that isn't closed loop I don't know what is.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


oh my god, being able to eat is EXACTLY WHAT MAKES YOU AN OPEN SYSTEM!!
 Quoting: John Kimble


Is there a human being that does not need to eat?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


Yeah, a dead one.
 Quoting: John Kimble


Closed and open systems.

People eat and drink to live... I would argue closed system, because it IS universal.

If you want to argue open system, you have to say that there is a way to nullify the death of the body over time.

So what is your argument?
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and i was certainly anticipating some alternative explanation of what you might replace evolution with along with some hard evidence to help me accept it.

of course all you could tell me was that you don't believe in evolution, so it can't be true.

please tell me you have something more.
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Obviously you're not prepared to defend your beliefs in Evolution. You're unable to muster a single argument.
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i do not care if you accept darwins theory.

i don't wish to change your beliefs with my arguments.

however you are the op of this thread. a thread fraught with whining and cajoling, you plead and beg, for us to turn from this theory. i accept your reservations regarding evolution. now, posit an alternative.

frankly you sound desperate. face it you are dying to tell us what we should believe. so get on with it. oh, but try to make your reasons remotely plausible.
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Closed and open systems.

People eat and drink to live... I would argue closed system, because it IS universal.

If you want to argue open system, you have to say that there is a way to nullify the death of the body over time.

So what is your argument?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


Dude, you can not make up your own definitions. There is no need to argue for what a closed system means cause it is already defined.

Yes you can nullify death of the body overtime. That is why you eat!!!!!!!!!!!

Open system = energy can be exchanged therefor the laws of thermodynamics don't apply
Closed system = There is no exchange hence you can determine the movement of thermodynamics since there is no influence from outside.
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oh my god, being able to eat is EXACTLY WHAT MAKES YOU AN OPEN SYSTEM!!
 Quoting: John Kimble


Is there a human being that does not need to eat?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


Yeah, a dead one.
 Quoting: John Kimble


Closed and open systems.

People eat and drink to live... I would argue closed system, because it IS universal.

If you want to argue open system, you have to say that there is a way to nullify the death of the body over time.

So what is your argument?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


... ee cummings decided to post before I have my answer
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Closed and open systems.

People eat and drink to live... I would argue closed system, because it IS universal.

If you want to argue open system, you have to say that there is a way to nullify the death of the body over time.

So what is your argument?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


Dude, you can not make up your own definitions. There is no need to argue for what a closed system means cause it is already defined.

Yes you can nullify death of the body overtime. That is why you eat!!!!!!!!!!!

Open system = energy can be exchanged therefor the laws of thermodynamics don't apply
Closed system = There is no exchange hence you can determine the movement of thermodynamics since there is no influence from outside.
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but you do die right?

2nd law in your face
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and i was certainly anticipating some alternative explanation of what you might replace evolution with along with some hard evidence to help me accept it.

of course all you could tell me was that you don't believe in evolution, so it can't be true.

please tell me you have something more.
 Quoting: david 33758960


Obviously you're not prepared to defend your beliefs in Evolution. You're unable to muster a single argument.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


i do not care if you accept darwins theory.

i don't wish to change your beliefs with my arguments.

however you are the op of this thread. a thread fraught with whining and cajoling, you plead and beg, for us to turn from this theory. i accept your reservations regarding evolution. now, posit an alternative.

frankly you sound desperate. face it you are dying to tell us what we should believe. so get on with it. oh, but try to make your reasons remotely plausible.
 Quoting: david 33758960


He doesnt have to defend his view, because thats not whats on 'trial' here..evolution is. Its 'red herring' to try and get them to defend their own p.o.v instead of just wanting us to prove him wrong.

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My what religious conviction. Did you say your seven "Hail Darwins" today?
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if you had to classify us, what would you say we were?
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I would classify you as a person holding faith in a naturalist creation story without being able to advance scientific arguments for it.


That was the purpose of creating this thread.. still waiting...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


All you have stated in this thread is that evolution is false because life is so complex theres just no way it could have done it on its own..there 'must' be some itelligent design behind it...it could never get this far naturally..

Sooo, because its hard to understand and at times unexplainable, its false..

Sounds like religion and creation to me.. Its almost as if your a pot, and your calling the kettle...wait, no nevermind..
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If you actually read the thread, I have proposed several arguments about why evolutionary claims are non-falsifiable

I'm still waiting for someone to advance a scientific argument defending Evolution. Feel free to do so anytime. It not, please stop taking up thread space with your philosophical ramblings.
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but you do die right?

2nd law in your face
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Thermodynamics have nothing to do with dying except for the fact that you feel stone cold after you are dead.

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if you had to classify us, what would you say we were?
 Quoting: Oyster


I would classify you as a person holding faith in a naturalist creation story without being able to advance scientific arguments for it.


That was the purpose of creating this thread.. still waiting...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


All you have stated in this thread is that evolution is false because life is so complex theres just no way it could have done it on its own..there 'must' be some itelligent design behind it...it could never get this far naturally..

Sooo, because its hard to understand and at times unexplainable, its false..

Sounds like religion and creation to me.. Its almost as if your a pot, and your calling the kettle...wait, no nevermind..
 Quoting: Surfbum25


If you actually read the thread, I have proposed several arguments about why evolutionary claims are non-falsifiable

I'm still waiting for someone to advance a scientific argument defending Evolution. Feel free to do so anytime. It not, please stop taking up thread space with your philosophical ramblings.
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No one said anything about intelligent design, just evolution
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but you do die right?

2nd law in your face
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Thermodynamics have nothing to do with dying except for the fact that you feel stone cold after you are dead.
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It has everything to do with dying... name something that doesn't die.
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but you do die right?

2nd law in your face
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Thermodynamics have nothing to do with dying except for the fact that you feel stone cold after you are dead.
 Quoting: John Kimble


It has everything to do with dying... name something that doesn't die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


Irrelevant. Thermodynamics is about the movement of heat, not about the principles of life.
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and i was certainly anticipating some alternative explanation of what you might replace evolution with along with some hard evidence to help me accept it.

of course all you could tell me was that you don't believe in evolution, so it can't be true.

please tell me you have something more.
 Quoting: david 33758960


Obviously you're not prepared to defend your beliefs in Evolution. You're unable to muster a single argument.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


i do not care if you accept darwins theory.

i don't wish to change your beliefs with my arguments.

however you are the op of this thread. a thread fraught with whining and cajoling, you plead and beg, for us to turn from this theory. i accept your reservations regarding evolution. now, posit an alternative.

frankly you sound desperate. face it you are dying to tell us what we should believe. so get on with it. oh, but try to make your reasons remotely plausible.
 Quoting: david 33758960


He doesnt have to defend his view, because thats not whats on 'trial' here..evolution is. Its 'red herring' to try and get them to defend their own p.o.v instead of just wanting us to prove him wrong.

Idol1
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i was not aware that there was a rule book for this discussion.
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This is ridiculous.

7 pages and not one person is willing to defend belief in this stupid theory of evolution that is claimed to be an unassailable truth.

If I made a challenge about any REAL scientific theory like Gravity, I would get my ass handed to me in 5 seconds.


Evolution is pseudo-scientific ancient naturalist philosphy, mandated as a dogma in a time when mice spawning from dirty rags was considered a credible theory. What a joke.
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This is ridiculous.

7 pages and not one person is willing to defend belief in this stupid theory of evolution that is claimed to be an unassailable truth.

If I made a challenge about any REAL scientific theory like Gravity, I would get my ass handed to me in 5 seconds.


Evolution is pseudo-scientific ancient naturalist philosphy, mandated as a dogma in a time when mice spawning from dirty rags was considered a credible theory. What a joke.
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**** we have a winner in this thread that gets it!**
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but you do die right?

2nd law in your face
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Thermodynamics have nothing to do with dying except for the fact that you feel stone cold after you are dead.
 Quoting: John Kimble


It has everything to do with dying... name something that doesn't die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


Irrelevant. Thermodynamics is about the movement of heat, not about the principles of life.
 Quoting: John Kimble



yep, you probably don't produce heat, but I do.
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yep, you probably don't produce heat, but I do.
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Probably but atleast I know what I am talking about.
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My what religious conviction. Did you say your seven "Hail Darwins" today?
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if you had to classify us, what would you say we were?
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I would classify you as a person holding faith in a naturalist creation story without being able to advance scientific arguments for it.


That was the purpose of creating this thread.. still waiting...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


so you arent going to answer the question?

or is that seriously your answer?
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yep, you probably don't produce heat, but I do.
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Probably but at least I know what I am talking about.
 Quoting: John Kimble


Well, you haven't shown it.

Tell me what to eat to live forever
Tell me what can recharge the Earth's rotation
Tell me what animal can be described as "open looped" and lives forever
Tell me how...


Inquiring minds want to know

Then you can tell me how people are exempt from the second law of thermodynamics... I am pretty sure grandpa disagrees.

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