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CHALLENGE TO EVOLUTIONISTS

 
John Kimble

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yep, you probably don't produce heat, but I do.
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Probably but at least I know what I am talking about.
 Quoting: John Kimble


Well, you haven't shown it.

Tell me what to eat to live forever
Tell me what can recharge the Earth's rotation
Tell me what animal can be described as "open looped" and lives forever
Tell me how...


Inquiring minds want to know

Then you can tell me how people are exempt from the second law of thermodynamics... I am pretty sure grandpa disagrees.
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I think I explained this about 7 times now. That you are too dense to get it is not my problem.
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Here's an idea. Start your own thread if you're curious what people think about you. And stop de-railing mine.

Thanks.
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Here's an idea. Start your own thread if you're curious what people think about you. And stop de-railing mine.

Thanks.
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LOL.

if you dont have an answer that is ok.
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yep, you probably don't produce heat, but I do.
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Probably but at least I know what I am talking about.
 Quoting: John Kimble


Well, you haven't shown it.

Tell me what to eat to live forever
Tell me what can recharge the Earth's rotation
Tell me what animal can be described as "open looped" and lives forever
Tell me how...


Inquiring minds want to know

Then you can tell me how people are exempt from the second law of thermodynamics... I am pretty sure grandpa disagrees.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


I think I explained this about 7 times now. That you are too dense to get it is not my problem.
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Maybe I am, so explain to me if thermodynamics doesn't apply, why people die.
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Maybe I am, so explain to me if thermodynamics doesn't apply, why people die.
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Maybe we should get to the root of the problem.

Please give your definition of thermodynamics.

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LOL.

if you dont have an answer that is ok.
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Can you read? I already answered you in detail. And you just spammed the same question again. You're nothing but a time and space waster. I won't respond to you again until you post something relevant to the OP.
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LOL.

if you dont have an answer that is ok.
 Quoting: Oyster


Can you read? I already answered you in detail. And you just spammed the same question again. You're nothing but a time and space waster. I won't respond to you again until you post something relevant to the OP.
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the question is, what family in the animal kingdom would you classify humans?

you didnt answer that.
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Maybe I am, so explain to me if thermodynamics doesn't apply, why people die.
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Maybe lets get to the root of the problem.

Please give your definition of thermodynamics.
 Quoting: John Kimble


Well you obviously just showed your ass. Sorry.

I'm not going to let you drag me through another 20 threads where we discussed this. MY definition is everything breaks down through time without an external energy source.... pretty straightforward.

You know this, and refuse to answer ANY of the questions I have proposed to you.

So here we go again.

What food can I eat that lets me live forever?
What keeps the Earth spinning for 4.5 billion years?
How can I measure this?
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MY definition is everything breaks down through time without an external energy source.... pretty straightforward.

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Yes, that is pretty much correct. So how does it apply to us when we have a external energy source called food and the sun?

What keeps the Earth spinning for 4.5 billion years?
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Inertia
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This is ridiculous.

7 pages and not one person is willing to defend belief in this stupid theory of evolution that is claimed to be an unassailable truth.

If I made a challenge about any REAL scientific theory like Gravity, I would get my ass handed to me in 5 seconds.


Evolution is pseudo-scientific ancient naturalist philosphy, mandated as a dogma in a time when mice spawning from dirty rags was considered a credible theory. What a joke.
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i sense frustration op, you just don't seem to be getting anywhere.

kinda puts me in mind of several threads where the op tried to get something besides nonsense from creationists.
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MY definition is everything breaks down through time without an external energy source.... pretty straightforward.

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Yes, that is pretty much correct. So how does it apply to us when we have a external energy source called food and the sun?

What keeps the Earth spinning for 4.5 billion years?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


Inertia
 Quoting: John Kimble


You didn't answer any question....because you can't



durrr inertia...... fucking do the math dumbass, I posted it earlier in this thread.

How fast would the Earth have to spin 4.5 billion years ago?
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This is ridiculous.

7 pages and not one person is willing to defend belief in this stupid theory of evolution that is claimed to be an unassailable truth.

If I made a challenge about any REAL scientific theory like Gravity, I would get my ass handed to me in 5 seconds.


Evolution is pseudo-scientific ancient naturalist philosphy, mandated as a dogma in a time when mice spawning from dirty rags was considered a credible theory. What a joke.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


No one has said that evolution is an unassailable truth. Thats the beauty of theories, they change as more info comes in. Since the times of 'mice spawning from dirty rags', we have EVOLVED the theory of evolution as time passes and we learn more about it. We now know that mice cant simply spawn from fabric, but theres more evidence supporting the fact that mice may have adapted from another previous species than to say someone or something just made it so.

What makes your theory of intelligent design, which HAS been mentioned many times in this thread by both the op and K2TC, an unassailable truth? Is it simply because you dont agree with the present findings of evolutionary theory?

We cant even begin to describe the reasoning behind the pyramids of the world, and other 'ancient' cultures. We THINK we know. There is no way to definitively prove that evolution as we call it is exactly what went down. There could be many variables within the system that caused changes and fluctuations we may never know about. That does not make it false.

It is a proven FACT that radiation manipulates dna. It is a proven FACT that the sun emits different types and levels of radiation. It is a proven FACT that environmental variables can alter the way dna and genetic coding reacts. Who are you to say that over the life of this planet that has not played a role in transforming the properties of certain cells and genetic makeup, causing animals to adapt over time and form new characteristics? Among many other variables...

You cant simply say, 'oh there are flaws in your ideology so that makes it false'.
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LOL.

if you dont have an answer that is ok.
 Quoting: Oyster


Can you read? I already answered you in detail. And you just spammed the same question again. You're nothing but a time and space waster. I won't respond to you again until you post something relevant to the OP.
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the question is, what family in the animal kingdom would you classify humans?

you didnt answer that.
 Quoting: Oyster


You didn't ask that before. Try being more clear next time.

All empirical scientific evidence points to the fact that humans have always been humans, with distinctly human genomes, diversifying from an original human gene pool.

If you feel otherwise, please advance scientific arguments for your position, as that is the entire point of this thread.
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You didn't answer any question....because you can't

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Can't? Don't want to because it is a retarded question.

durrr inertia...... fucking do the math dumbass, I posted it earlier in this thread.

How fast would the Earth have to spin 4.5 billion years ago?

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Who gives a fuck? That isn't the question, you asked what keeps the earth spinning for 4.5 billions years, it is inertia whether you like it or not.
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This is ridiculous.

7 pages and not one person is willing to defend belief in this stupid theory of evolution that is claimed to be an unassailable truth.

If I made a challenge about any REAL scientific theory like Gravity, I would get my ass handed to me in 5 seconds.


Evolution is pseudo-scientific ancient naturalist philosphy, mandated as a dogma in a time when mice spawning from dirty rags was considered a credible theory. What a joke.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


No one has said that evolution is an unassailable truth. Thats the beauty of theories, they change as more info comes in. Since the times of 'mice spawning from dirty rags', we have EVOLVED the theory of evolution as time passes and we learn more about it. We now know that mice cant simply spawn from fabric, but theres more evidence supporting the fact that mice may have adapted from another previous species than to say someone or something just made it so.

What makes your theory of intelligent design, which HAS been mentioned many times in this thread by both the op and K2TC, an unassailable truth? Is it simply because you dont agree with the present findings of evolutionary theory?

We cant even begin to describe the reasoning behind the pyramids of the world, and other 'ancient' cultures. We THINK we know. There is no way to definitively prove that evolution as we call it is exactly what went down. There could be many variables within the system that caused changes and fluctuations we may never know about. That does not make it false.

It is a proven FACT that radiation manipulates dna. It is a proven FACT that the sun emits different types and levels of radiation. It is a proven FACT that environmental variables can alter the way dna and genetic coding reacts. Who are you to say that over the life of this planet that has not played a role in transforming the properties of certain cells and genetic makeup, causing animals to adapt over time and form new characteristics? Among many other variables...

You cant simply say, 'oh there are flaws in your ideology so that makes it false'.
 Quoting: Surfbum25


I understand what you mean, but there is proof that it couldn't happen.
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You didn't answer any question....because you can't

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Can't? Don't want to because it is a retarded question.

durrr inertia...... fucking do the math dumbass, I posted it earlier in this thread.

How fast would the Earth have to spin 4.5 billion years ago?

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Who gives a fuck? That isn't the question, you asked what keeps the earth spinning for 4.5 billions years, it is inertia whether you like it or not.
 Quoting: John Kimble


I'm sorry for calling names


2nd law again.


The Earth was spinning how fast 4.5 billion years ago?
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LOL.

if you dont have an answer that is ok.
 Quoting: Oyster


Can you read? I already answered you in detail. And you just spammed the same question again. You're nothing but a time and space waster. I won't respond to you again until you post something relevant to the OP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


the question is, what family in the animal kingdom would you classify humans?

you didnt answer that.
 Quoting: Oyster


You didn't ask that before. Try being more clear next time.

All empirical scientific evidence points to the fact that humans have always been humans, with distinctly human genomes, diversifying from an original human gene pool.

If you feel otherwise, please advance scientific arguments for your position, as that is the entire point of this thread.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


of course we are humans, i didnt ask what species were.

but i wasnt clear enough. what "order" would we fall under in the linnaean classification?
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No one has said that evolution is an unassailable truth. Thats the beauty of theories, they change as more info comes in.
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Actually the beauty of theories is that they are falsifiable. Constantly adding on ad-hoc hypotheses to a theory as more data comes in, does not speak well of said theory.


Since the times of 'mice spawning from dirty rags', we have EVOLVED the theory of evolution as time passes and we learn more about it. We now know that mice cant simply spawn from fabric, but theres more evidence supporting the fact that mice may have adapted from another previous species than to say someone or something just made it so.
 Quoting: Surfbum25


Right, a devout Christian scientist showed the naturalist philosophers that their spontaneous generation hypothesis was retarded and unscientific , so they just kicked the can down the road and said "okay it spontaneously generated billions of years ago and THEN turned into mice!"

In any case, you've made the claim

but theres more evidence supporting the fact that mice may have adapted from another previous species than to say someone or something just made it so.


Let's hear your scientific arguments. Stop stalling please.
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Can you read? I already answered you in detail. And you just spammed the same question again. You're nothing but a time and space waster. I won't respond to you again until you post something relevant to the OP.
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the question is, what family in the animal kingdom would you classify humans?

you didnt answer that.
 Quoting: Oyster


You didn't ask that before. Try being more clear next time.

All empirical scientific evidence points to the fact that humans have always been humans, with distinctly human genomes, diversifying from an original human gene pool.

If you feel otherwise, please advance scientific arguments for your position, as that is the entire point of this thread.
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of course we are humans, i didnt ask what species were.

but i wasnt clear enough. what "order" would we fall under in the linnaean classification?
 Quoting: Oyster



You believe in evolution, and you think we all evolved from chimpanzees the same time???
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The Earth was spinning how fast 4.5 billion years ago?
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How is it relevant?
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the question is, what family in the animal kingdom would you classify humans?

you didnt answer that.
 Quoting: Oyster


You didn't ask that before. Try being more clear next time.

All empirical scientific evidence points to the fact that humans have always been humans, with distinctly human genomes, diversifying from an original human gene pool.

If you feel otherwise, please advance scientific arguments for your position, as that is the entire point of this thread.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


of course we are humans, i didnt ask what species were.

but i wasnt clear enough. what "order" would we fall under in the linnaean classification?
 Quoting: Oyster



You believe in evolution, and you think we all evolved from chimpanzees the same time???
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no i do not believe we all evolved from chimpanzees at the same time.
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Maybe I am, so explain to me if thermodynamics doesn't apply, why people die.
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Maybe we should get to the root of the problem.

Please give your definition of thermodynamics.
 Quoting: John Kimble


Look up the second law yourself. Everything decays over time. Stars, planets, life on earth, see what could possibly last billions of years around you...
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You didn't ask that before. Try being more clear next time.

All empirical scientific evidence points to the fact that humans have always been humans, with distinctly human genomes, diversifying from an original human gene pool.

If you feel otherwise, please advance scientific arguments for your position, as that is the entire point of this thread.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


of course we are humans, i didnt ask what species were.

but i wasnt clear enough. what "order" would we fall under in the linnaean classification?
 Quoting: Oyster



You believe in evolution, and you think we all evolved from chimpanzees the same time???
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no i do not believe we all evolved from chimpanzees at the same time.
 Quoting: Oyster


Right, according to the the theory, only one human could have evolved, while all other chimps stay chimps, and this one human had to magically find another human...Sounds like a fairy tale to me.
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Look up the second law yourself. Everything decays over time. Stars, planets, life on earth, see what could possibly last billions of years around you...
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Second law only says you can't decrease entropy without an external source. That is it.
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but i wasnt clear enough. what "order" would we fall under in the linnaean classification?
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A great deal of taxonomy is based off of assumed ideas about common descent, and thus deeply flawed and arbitrary.

If you really need humans to be classified in an order. We could call them Euarchontoglires. Humans are placental mammals.

Stop fishing. It's your turn to advance an argument.
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The Earth was spinning how fast 4.5 billion years ago?
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How is it relevant?
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The Earth isn't billions of years old... that pretty much fucks over evolution.


Believe whatever the hell you want, it isn't science. Anytime any evolutionist comes in here I WILL SPANK them.

You want to debate scientific definitions, but never answer any questions, because you can't.

I gave scientific responses, evidence, and asked questions that weren't answered.

I WIN
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The Earth isn't billions of years old... that pretty much fucks over evolution.


Believe whatever the hell you want, it isn't science. Anytime any evolutionist comes in here I WILL SPANK them.

You want to debate scientific definitions, but never answer any questions, because you can't.

I gave scientific responses, evidence, and asked questions that weren't answered.

I WIN
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Like a bird that knocks over the chess pieces, shits on the board and declares himself the winner.

I hope you feel happy.
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but i wasnt clear enough. what "order" would we fall under in the linnaean classification?
 Quoting: Oyster


A great deal of taxonomy is based off of assumed ideas about common descent, and thus deeply flawed and arbitrary.

If you really need humans to be classified in an order. We could call them Euarchontoglires. Humans are placental mammals.

Stop fishing. It's your turn to advance an argument.
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so you are in agreement that we are related to at least primates?
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This is ridiculous.

7 pages and not one person is willing to defend belief in this stupid theory of evolution that is claimed to be an unassailable truth.

If I made a challenge about any REAL scientific theory like Gravity, I would get my ass handed to me in 5 seconds.


Evolution is pseudo-scientific ancient naturalist philosphy, mandated as a dogma in a time when mice spawning from dirty rags was considered a credible theory. What a joke.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


No one has said that evolution is an unassailable truth. Thats the beauty of theories, they change as more info comes in. Since the times of 'mice spawning from dirty rags', we have EVOLVED the theory of evolution as time passes and we learn more about it. We now know that mice cant simply spawn from fabric, but theres more evidence supporting the fact that mice may have adapted from another previous species than to say someone or something just made it so.

What makes your theory of intelligent design, which HAS been mentioned many times in this thread by both the op and K2TC, an unassailable truth? Is it simply because you dont agree with the present findings of evolutionary theory?

We cant even begin to describe the reasoning behind the pyramids of the world, and other 'ancient' cultures. We THINK we know. There is no way to definitively prove that evolution as we call it is exactly what went down. There could be many variables within the system that caused changes and fluctuations we may never know about. That does not make it false.

It is a proven FACT that radiation manipulates dna. It is a proven FACT that the sun emits different types and levels of radiation. It is a proven FACT that environmental variables can alter the way dna and genetic coding reacts. Who are you to say that over the life of this planet that has not played a role in transforming the properties of certain cells and genetic makeup, causing animals to adapt over time and form new characteristics? Among many other variables...

You cant simply say, 'oh there are flaws in your ideology so that makes it false'.
 Quoting: Surfbum25


I understand what you mean, but there is proof that it couldn't happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


That doesnt mean it didnt happen. The same could be said for creation, there is proof that it 'couldnt' happen, but that doesnt make it a false theory. Of course its not an unassailable truth, but thats only because we have yet to unravel the full story.

The fact of the matter is we do NOT know. Saying that one theory is false without proving why another is true, is like arguing with your mirror...your not going to get anywhere...
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The Earth isn't billions of years old... that pretty much fucks over evolution.


Believe whatever the hell you want, it isn't science. Anytime any evolutionist comes in here I WILL SPANK them.

You want to debate scientific definitions, but never answer any questions, because you can't.

I gave scientific responses, evidence, and asked questions that weren't answered.

I WIN
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853586


Like a bird that knocks over the chess pieces, shits on the board and declares himself the winner.

I hope you feel happy.
 Quoting: John Kimble


Answer one of my questions? YOU CANT! I quit because my competition is crippled.

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