CHALLENGE TO EVOLUTIONISTS

No. He is right on topic. He is making conclusions concerning the Earth's age based off of thermodynamic arguments concerning the inertia of the Earth's spin.

You're basically just bluffing when you say he's shifted goalposts.

Well.. evolution is topic.. sorry if you were mislead by the title that says CHALLENGE TO EVOLUTIONISTS

Sure bro, whatever you want.

Thank you. I really appreciate when someone gets my drift

Some guy said 2nd law disproves evolution, I told him exactly why it doesn;t.

Can we expect to see anything resembling a scientific fact AGAINST evolution..? Or merely more babble about how since previous civilizations thought mice came from rags and that was proven false that evolution is also..?

The genetic links between different species have been proven multiple times over by scientific communities around the world. I have not seen ONE that says we were created by an intelligent being.

attack that doesn't answer any questions or serve any purpose other than to demonize someone.

grats

Go for it. But please don't just spam links. Actually present the argument in a clear and concise manner, and prove you actually know what argument your making.

In case you've forgotten, I already responded to your first link. And I asked you why genome duplication events support Evolution?

You never replied.

Like you are the shiny beacon of mature debating. TROLOLOLOL

If you read the thread, there are numerous facts against evolution.... sorry i didn't log in, but yes, evolution as it is taught in school in impossible.

I am the shining beacon of not letting BULLSHIT get spread

No indeed, bullshit is your competitor, can't have the bullshit mixing with your horseshit.

Thank you, may be we agree mostly. It can be of course an inert will inside of creation caused by a universal force. This can organize DNA into new configurations and thus transform species and even form life from materials on the face of the earth by patterns or programming that this force is composed of. When it performs the evolution new patterns in this force are formed by the new more advanced lifeforms, because they can see subconsciously new needs that would make them even more adaptable to there surroundings.

It is a nice thought. The cambrian explosion of life could then be like a big bang caused by this lifeforce.

But why did it not occur earlier not so long after the Earth was created, 4,5 BY ago. It waited to form life until 4 BY years afterwards. Yes may be the conditions were not adequate enough for supporting life.

If we see God instead of an ID creating life, He would have began at once to create life, because He would probably not see it appropriate to leave the Earth, that He created, empty. He would probably more have seen it a waste to let the Earth turning around the Sun empty for 4 BY. What was the intention of doing that?

I have a theory that would have solved all problems. But I have to believe in God that it can be possible. If a personal God created everything at once, both Heaven and Earth and all life 4,5 BY ago perfect, then life in this original condition would not see death, i.e. have eternal life.

Then what caused the fossil record was the life beginning to die suddenly for some reason, may be because someone started to temper with the His creation.

But the death started first with the more simple lifeforms, may be because the tempering first began with that. Then it began to occure also for more and more advanced lifeforms. The last major development of this was the dinosaurs which then caused God to make a major intervention by some natural catastrophe where many of the manipulated lifes had to be erradicated. Afterwards the manipulation of the creation was continued using mammals and after a while also primates were included in it.

This after my view can explain the observations that we have in the fossil record in a much more simple way. The evolution thus becomes instead involution by more and more death.

But it has to include a personal God then who can create everything perfect. But it can explain what we see quite nice I think.

There are many stories of finds of 10's or even 100's of million years old tools or artifacts that must have been made or used by intelligent beings. And there are seemingly human footprints along with footprints after dinosaurs as kept intact in rock beds exposed by Paluxy River.

So why not use such a theory? :)

So it doesnt apply to our universe? What does it apply to according to YOU? Our universe is the closed system. Everything in it tends toward disorder over time. If it didnt, you wouldve provided an example to the contrary. Sorry John, things dont last forever.

Nobody is arguing that there aren't genetic similarities corresponding with phenotypic ones. That's common sense.

Maybe you experts on the second law can explain how a comet can last billions of years?

Indeed, some physisists argue that the universe is the only true closed system.

If everything moved to disorder how do you explain snowflakes?

Have you answered 1 question? do you have that ability?

the Earth spins on inertia??? are you a fucking 2 year old?

Do you work for the TSA?

sorry, last night i got high and forgot about it till this morning.

i believe that link was talking about the split in genomes or something.

here are two that discuss observed evolution:
[link to www.talkorigins.org]
[link to www.talkorigins.org]

this one shows common descent:
[link to www.godlessgeeks.com]


this one is just a good resource on evolution:
[link to evolution.berkeley.edu]

all i have seen is the stating and restating, that you all don't believe evolution is true, hence, it can't be true.

why do philisophical arguements only work for intelligent design?

Because evolution has been proven wrong?

Look people, there is dinosaur tissue still out there:


The world does not want to drum this message out though.

Shocking as she says in the vid.

how exactly has it been proven wrong?

They melt? Rain evaporates? There needs to be a mechanism to convert the energy, or else it will only break it down. When a snowflake is on the grond, there is no more mechanism in the clouds, and it breaks down.. Human embryos have a mchanism to convert energy, thats why they grow. But the second law applies to us too, when we get old and die...Getting this yet?

Well theres no proof of it, unless you care to add some new scientific breakthrough we havent heard about yet..

Evolution insists the world is 4.5 billion years old, and by their same metrics... they prove it is less than 50000.

So tell me how evolution works in 50000 years?

That's not even remotely related to what he is saying...

See for a specific example our chromosome 2;

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

He is saying that DNA can be used to link 2 species in regards to ancestry just as much DNA can be used to provide evidence whether your kid is really yours.

another


where is all that god proof?

What are the Limits of Darwinism? A Presentation by Dr. Michael Behe 2012


[link to www.youtube.com]