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John Kimble User ID: 1516308 Netherlands 02/18/2013 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe you mean the human digestive/respiratory system being open? It is still part of the whole, which is still subject to disorder just like EVeRYTHING else in the universe. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540 Look dude, if you don't actually know what they mean with open and closed systems concerning thermodynamics why not just go to the top right of your browser and type in "Closed systems thermodynamics explained" I'm da party poopa |
John Kimble User ID: 1516308 Netherlands 02/18/2013 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is the matter and energy humans are exchanging with the environment? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540 O2 for CO2? Sugar for Heat? Again, I didn't just make this stuff up. Symbiosis? More proof of creation, thanks. More proof of your incredible stupidity, thanks. I'm da party poopa |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 23223519 United States 02/18/2013 04:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if you cant refute any of the articles then you cant, that's ok. Quoting: Oyster but what you are asking for will never be "proven" because you cant create an experiment to prove gradual evolution. much in the same way that you cant create an experiment to prove the existence of a deity. LOL okay, I will reply to your link with another link: [link to www.trueorigin.org] My link debunks your link because I said so, since you've set the standard that arguments and logic are unnecessary. Going on to Page 12 now Oyster. Think you'll make an argument by Page 20? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2183540 United States 02/18/2013 04:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is the matter and energy humans are exchanging with the environment? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540 O2 for CO2? Sugar for Heat? Again, I didn't just make this stuff up. Symbiosis? More proof of creation, thanks. More proof of your incredible stupidity, thanks. You didnt know plants and animals had a symbiotic relationship regarding oxygen and carbon dioxide? Im sure you atheists can explain how the plants waited millions of years for the oxygen, let alone the animals needed to fertilize them..But thats another topic you probably are not interested in. |
John Kimble User ID: 1516308 Netherlands 02/18/2013 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You didnt know plants and animals had a symbiotic relationship regarding oxygen and carbon dioxide? Im sure you atheists can explain how the plants waited millions of years for the oxygen, let alone the animals needed to fertilize them..But thats another topic you probably are not interested in. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540 How much money is there in moving goalposts? No education required right? So no good pay I guess. I'm da party poopa |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2183540 United States 02/18/2013 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe you mean the human digestive/respiratory system being open? It is still part of the whole, which is still subject to disorder just like EVeRYTHING else in the universe. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540 Look dude, if you don't actually know what they mean with open and closed systems concerning thermodynamics why not just go to the top right of your browser and type in "Closed systems thermodynamics explained" Look Bro, type in 'thermodynamic system' in google, or wiki, and it will tell you my definition- whole universe = closed system |
John Kimble User ID: 1516308 Netherlands 02/18/2013 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe you mean the human digestive/respiratory system being open? It is still part of the whole, which is still subject to disorder just like EVeRYTHING else in the universe. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540 Look dude, if you don't actually know what they mean with open and closed systems concerning thermodynamics why not just go to the top right of your browser and type in "Closed systems thermodynamics explained" Look Bro, type in 'thermodynamic system' in google, or wiki, and it will tell you my definition- whole universe = closed system yes but it will also say you are open system or do you just ignore that? I'm da party poopa |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18401048 United States 02/18/2013 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if you cant refute any of the articles then you cant, that's ok. Quoting: Oyster but what you are asking for will never be "proven" because you cant create an experiment to prove gradual evolution. much in the same way that you cant create an experiment to prove the existence of a deity. LOL okay, I will reply to your link with another link: [link to www.trueorigin.org] My link debunks your link because I said so, since you've set the standard that arguments and logic are unnecessary. Going on to Page 12 now Oyster. Think you'll make an argument by Page 20? you arent going to upset me, i know you want to but a random AC on the internet isnt going to ruin my day. that i can promise you. i have to commute home and will read more of this later.... but for now.....anatomical paralogy makes a case for evolution, regardless of the spin this article puts on it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2183540 United States 02/18/2013 04:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More proof of your incredible stupidity, thanks. You didnt know plants and animals had a symbiotic relationship regarding oxygen and carbon dioxide? Im sure you atheists can explain how the plants waited millions of years for the oxygen, let alone the animals needed to fertilize them..But thats another topic you probably are not interested in. Sorry, the plants needed the CO2... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2029220 United States 02/18/2013 05:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evolution is a quasi-religious, naturalist philosophy that predates Christianity. It is by no means the result of scientific investigation as we are taught. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519 This pseudo-science was mandated by Royal Societies as a foundation of biology, in a time when Spontaneous Generation (mice spawning from old rags) was still viewed as a legitimate theory, and when the living cell was considered to be nothing more than a blob of undifferentiated jello. Since then, the life sciences have been marred with superstitious magical thinking, and a force fitting of data in any way that will conform to several non-falsifiable evolutionary models. Our life on Earth is but a vapor. Please do not simply accept this story you've been told about Evolution. Please understand that a majority of scientists have believed dumb and wrong ideas all throughout history, often being spurred on by the popular philosophies of that age. Naturalism(Atheism) is considered the 'sophisticated' belief system in our day. Contrary to their mantras, it has very little to do with science. I do believe in Creation by the Almighty God of the Bible. My hope here is to wake people up to the illusion of the scientific fraud that is Evolution, so that they may think carefully and skeptically on the subject of their true origins. It was through studying evolution, that God revealed to me that this 'theory' was the imagination of foolish men, and delivered me to the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray for the same for others reading. Seek the Absolute Truth! With that said, my challenge is extended to Evolutionists. I submit that your views are not based on scientific evidence, but on religious and philosophical belief in the theory itself. You have no idea what you're talking about. Evolution is a process governed by "natural selection." I'm not sure if you know what that means. First, random genetic variations occur in nature all the time. This is undisputed. The idea behind "evolution" is that those animals that have adaptive advantages conferred on them due to these random variations will live longer than other animals, breed, and hence propagate that specific genetic variation. That is, "natural" genetic variations "select" those animals adapted sufficiently well to their surrounding environment for survival. I find it hard to believe you would accuse the theory of evolution as being "non-falsifiable" and then do a complete 180 degree turn and state that "God revealed to you that this theory was the imagination of foolish men." I think we both know which theory is really "unfalsifiable," don't we Karl Popper? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2183540 United States 02/18/2013 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe you mean the human digestive/respiratory system being open? It is still part of the whole, which is still subject to disorder just like EVeRYTHING else in the universe. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540 Look dude, if you don't actually know what they mean with open and closed systems concerning thermodynamics why not just go to the top right of your browser and type in "Closed systems thermodynamics explained" Look Bro, type in 'thermodynamic system' in google, or wiki, and it will tell you my definition- whole universe = closed system yes but it will also say you are open system or do you just ignore that? Are humans some kind of exception to the rule? Do humans not get old and decay? Shouldnt everything within the universe count as the universe itself? You are arguing semantics, not science. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2183540 United States 02/18/2013 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evolution is a quasi-religious, naturalist philosophy that predates Christianity. It is by no means the result of scientific investigation as we are taught. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519 This pseudo-science was mandated by Royal Societies as a foundation of biology, in a time when Spontaneous Generation (mice spawning from old rags) was still viewed as a legitimate theory, and when the living cell was considered to be nothing more than a blob of undifferentiated jello. Since then, the life sciences have been marred with superstitious magical thinking, and a force fitting of data in any way that will conform to several non-falsifiable evolutionary models. Our life on Earth is but a vapor. Please do not simply accept this story you've been told about Evolution. Please understand that a majority of scientists have believed dumb and wrong ideas all throughout history, often being spurred on by the popular philosophies of that age. Naturalism(Atheism) is considered the 'sophisticated' belief system in our day. Contrary to their mantras, it has very little to do with science. I do believe in Creation by the Almighty God of the Bible. My hope here is to wake people up to the illusion of the scientific fraud that is Evolution, so that they may think carefully and skeptically on the subject of their true origins. It was through studying evolution, that God revealed to me that this 'theory' was the imagination of foolish men, and delivered me to the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray for the same for others reading. Seek the Absolute Truth! With that said, my challenge is extended to Evolutionists. I submit that your views are not based on scientific evidence, but on religious and philosophical belief in the theory itself. You have no idea what you're talking about. Evolution is a process governed by "natural selection." I'm not sure if you know what that means. First, random genetic variations occur in nature all the time. This is undisputed. The idea behind "evolution" is that those animals that have adaptive advantages conferred on them due to these random variations will live longer than other animals, breed, and hence propagate that specific genetic variation. That is, "natural" genetic variations "select" those animals adapted sufficiently well to their surrounding environment for survival. I find it hard to believe you would accuse the theory of evolution as being "non-falsifiable" and then do a complete 180 degree turn and state that "God revealed to you that this theory was the imagination of foolish men." I think we both know which theory is really "unfalsifiable," don't we Karl Popper? You must not have read any more posts of this or any other evolution thread. Natural selection is not being disputed, the origins are. Selection is not creation. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 23223519 United States 02/18/2013 05:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | anatomical paralogy makes a case for evolution, regardless of the spin this article puts on it. Quoting: Oyster Well you dropped a term, I guess that is almost an argument. Oh yea, great case. Only you have no feasible evolutionary mechanism to drive those changes, no unambiguous gradual transitions to infer from the fossil record that such gradual changes took place, and no explicit evidence of any kind to infer paralogy or homology is the result of common descent, rather than an intelligent reuse of excellently designed structures. |
John Kimble User ID: 1516308 Netherlands 02/18/2013 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: John Kimble Look dude, if you don't actually know what they mean with open and closed systems concerning thermodynamics why not just go to the top right of your browser and type in "Closed systems thermodynamics explained" Look Bro, type in 'thermodynamic system' in google, or wiki, and it will tell you my definition- whole universe = closed system yes but it will also say you are open system or do you just ignore that? Are humans some kind of exception to the rule? Do humans not get old and decay? Shouldnt everything within the universe count as the universe itself? You are arguing semantics, not science. No you are the one arguing sementics. You just said how the science behind thermodynamics says the Universe is a closed system but then you ignore the same science that says humans are open systems. Now you are trying to say humans are the universe too cause they are part of it. THAT is arguing semantics. Here let me refresh your mind ""II. Thermodynamic systems Energy transfer is studied in three types of systems: Open systems Open systems can exchange both matter and energy with an outside system. They are portions of larger systems and in intimate contact with the larger system. Your body is an open system. Closed systems Closed systems exchange energy but not matter with an outside system. Though they are typically portions of larger systems, they are not in complete contact. The Earth is essentially a closed system; it obtains lots of energy from the Sun but the exchange of matter with the outside is almost zero. Isolated systems Isolated systems can exchange neither energy nor matter with an outside system. While they may be portions of larger systems, they do not communicate with the outside in any way. The physical universe is an isolated system; a closed thermos bottle is essentially an isolated system (though its insulation is not perfect)." " I'm da party poopa |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2029220 United States 02/18/2013 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evolution is a quasi-religious, naturalist philosophy that predates Christianity. It is by no means the result of scientific investigation as we are taught. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519 This pseudo-science was mandated by Royal Societies as a foundation of biology, in a time when Spontaneous Generation (mice spawning from old rags) was still viewed as a legitimate theory, and when the living cell was considered to be nothing more than a blob of undifferentiated jello. Since then, the life sciences have been marred with superstitious magical thinking, and a force fitting of data in any way that will conform to several non-falsifiable evolutionary models. Our life on Earth is but a vapor. Please do not simply accept this story you've been told about Evolution. Please understand that a majority of scientists have believed dumb and wrong ideas all throughout history, often being spurred on by the popular philosophies of that age. Naturalism(Atheism) is considered the 'sophisticated' belief system in our day. Contrary to their mantras, it has very little to do with science. I do believe in Creation by the Almighty God of the Bible. My hope here is to wake people up to the illusion of the scientific fraud that is Evolution, so that they may think carefully and skeptically on the subject of their true origins. It was through studying evolution, that God revealed to me that this 'theory' was the imagination of foolish men, and delivered me to the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray for the same for others reading. Seek the Absolute Truth! With that said, my challenge is extended to Evolutionists. I submit that your views are not based on scientific evidence, but on religious and philosophical belief in the theory itself. You have no idea what you're talking about. Evolution is a process governed by "natural selection." I'm not sure if you know what that means. First, random genetic variations occur in nature all the time. This is undisputed. The idea behind "evolution" is that those animals that have adaptive advantages conferred on them due to these random variations will live longer than other animals, breed, and hence propagate that specific genetic variation. That is, "natural" genetic variations "select" those animals adapted sufficiently well to their surrounding environment for survival. I find it hard to believe you would accuse the theory of evolution as being "non-falsifiable" and then do a complete 180 degree turn and state that "God revealed to you that this theory was the imagination of foolish men." I think we both know which theory is really "unfalsifiable," don't we Karl Popper? You must not have read any more posts of this or any other evolution thread. Natural selection is not being disputed, the origins are. Selection is not creation. Lol yeah I have to apologize I didn't read all 12 pages of this thread, only the first ridiculous thing I saw posted by the OP |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 23223519 United States 02/18/2013 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | anatomical paralogy makes a case for evolution, regardless of the spin this article puts on it. Quoting: Oyster Well you dropped a term, I guess that is almost an argument. Oh yea, great case. Only you have no feasible evolutionary mechanism to drive those changes, no unambiguous gradual transitions to infer from the fossil record that such gradual changes took place, and no explicit evidence of any kind to infer paralogy or homology is the result of common descent, rather than an intelligent reuse of excellently designed structures. Not to mention that similar structures constantly appear in diverse lineages which can not be chalked up to homology or paralogy. In this case, Evolution uses the ad-hoc explanation of Convergent Evolution. Nothing about this is falsifiable. Talkorigins basically says it proves Evolution because we don't see a bird appear with a mammalian-like body plan, or some other major divergence from repeated forms. (which would be a biological disaster). These are silly cambrian-rabbit type predictions. |
FreedomFox User ID: 32030789 United Kingdom 02/18/2013 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Got stumped.. so atheistards tried to debunk this video but failed... fish going out to the lala land.. nothing can be more stupid than that. Wow, it a staggering the incompetence of that answer! Not to mention the fact that he was totally at a loss to answer at all in the first place and when he did that was the best this evolutionary expert came up with!! There are so many flaws and inaccuracies in what he says and thus what it implies, impossible to know where best to start. Now, please any evolutionists out there, forget totally about creationism or any alternative theory for a moment...... Just forget any other diversion and focus on evolution ... is what Dawkins answered a well reasoned, articulate and credible answer to what evolution is all about? Do you really believe what he puts forward as evolution is the absolute gospel truth of what has happened? |
mrsnacks User ID: 10616946 United States 02/18/2013 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evolution is a quasi-religious, naturalist philosophy that predates Christianity. It is by no means the result of scientific investigation as we are taught. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519 This pseudo-science was mandated by Royal Societies as a foundation of biology, in a time when Spontaneous Generation (mice spawning from old rags) was still viewed as a legitimate theory, and when the living cell was considered to be nothing more than a blob of undifferentiated jello. Since then, the life sciences have been marred with superstitious magical thinking, and a force fitting of data in any way that will conform to several non-falsifiable evolutionary models. Our life on Earth is but a vapor. Please do not simply accept this story you've been told about Evolution. Please understand that a majority of scientists have believed dumb and wrong ideas all throughout history, often being spurred on by the popular philosophies of that age. Naturalism(Atheism) is considered the 'sophisticated' belief system in our day. Contrary to their mantras, it has very little to do with science. I do believe in Creation by the Almighty God of the Bible. My hope here is to wake people up to the illusion of the scientific fraud that is Evolution, so that they may think carefully and skeptically on the subject of their true origins. It was through studying evolution, that God revealed to me that this 'theory' was the imagination of foolish men, and delivered me to the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray for the same for others reading. Seek the Absolute Truth! With that said, my challenge is extended to Evolutionists. I submit that your views are not based on scientific evidence, but on religious and philosophical belief in the theory itself. ====================================== God revealed to you really ? That is just your imagination. You weren't born with a belief or beliefs period. You acquired beliefs which is based on what others have believed and said. You heard it and adopted it as your own. Your view is not based on science either. You have made up your mind so what is the use of this debate ? Truth doesn't need to be defended or can it be known. If we had scientific proof of God's existence, we would talk about the "science of God" rather than "faith in God". If we had scientific proof of God's existence, the study of God would be a scientific endeavor rather than a theological one. Here is something interesting : At Churches Nationwide, Good Words for Evolution: "On the 197th birthday of Charles Darwin, ministers at several hundred churches around the country preached yesterday against recent efforts to undermine the theory of evolution, asserting that the opposition many Christians say exists between science and faith is false. At St. Dunstan's Episcopal Church, a small contemporary structure among the pricey homes of north Atlanta, the Rev. Patricia Templeton told the 85 worshipers gathered yesterday, 'A faith that requires you to close your mind in order to believe is not much of a faith at all....' At the Evanston Mennonite Church, Susan Fisher Miller, 48, an editor and English professor, said, 'I completely accept and affirm the view of God as creator, but I accommodate evolution within that.'" And this letter, signed by more than 10,000 clergy members: An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science: "...We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children..." An opinion is just a thought in the mind. It is not real for it comes and goes. It has a beginning and an end. All thoughts are not real in that sense. What is real is what has no beginning or end and is eternal. A belief is just a thought shared by more than one. Beliefs are not real either. You can actually answer this question yourself with a little logic. Here are the two options: The complexity of life and the universe did arise completely spontaneously and without any intelligence. Nature created all the complexity we see today. An intelligent creator created all of the complexity that we see today because complexity requires intelligence to create it. The advantage of the first option is that it is self-contained. The complexity arose spontaneously. No other explanation is required. The problem with the second option is that it immediately creates an impossibility. If complexity cannot arise without intelligence, then we immediately must ask, "Who created the intelligent creator?" The creator could not spring into existence if complexity requires intelligence. Therefore, God is impossible. In other words, by applying logic, we can prove that God is imaginary. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2029220 United States 02/18/2013 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evolution is a quasi-religious, naturalist philosophy that predates Christianity. It is by no means the result of scientific investigation as we are taught. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519 This pseudo-science was mandated by Royal Societies as a foundation of biology, in a time when Spontaneous Generation (mice spawning from old rags) was still viewed as a legitimate theory, and when the living cell was considered to be nothing more than a blob of undifferentiated jello. Since then, the life sciences have been marred with superstitious magical thinking, and a force fitting of data in any way that will conform to several non-falsifiable evolutionary models. Our life on Earth is but a vapor. Please do not simply accept this story you've been told about Evolution. Please understand that a majority of scientists have believed dumb and wrong ideas all throughout history, often being spurred on by the popular philosophies of that age. Naturalism(Atheism) is considered the 'sophisticated' belief system in our day. Contrary to their mantras, it has very little to do with science. I do believe in Creation by the Almighty God of the Bible. My hope here is to wake people up to the illusion of the scientific fraud that is Evolution, so that they may think carefully and skeptically on the subject of their true origins. It was through studying evolution, that God revealed to me that this 'theory' was the imagination of foolish men, and delivered me to the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray for the same for others reading. Seek the Absolute Truth! With that said, my challenge is extended to Evolutionists. I submit that your views are not based on scientific evidence, but on religious and philosophical belief in the theory itself. ====================================== God revealed to you really ? That is just your imagination. You weren't born with a belief or beliefs period. You acquired beliefs which is based on what others have believed and said. You heard it and adopted it as your own. Your view is not based on science either. You have made up your mind so what is the use of this debate ? Truth doesn't need to be defended or can it be known. If we had scientific proof of God's existence, we would talk about the "science of God" rather than "faith in God". If we had scientific proof of God's existence, the study of God would be a scientific endeavor rather than a theological one. Here is something interesting : At Churches Nationwide, Good Words for Evolution: "On the 197th birthday of Charles Darwin, ministers at several hundred churches around the country preached yesterday against recent efforts to undermine the theory of evolution, asserting that the opposition many Christians say exists between science and faith is false. At St. Dunstan's Episcopal Church, a small contemporary structure among the pricey homes of north Atlanta, the Rev. Patricia Templeton told the 85 worshipers gathered yesterday, 'A faith that requires you to close your mind in order to believe is not much of a faith at all....' At the Evanston Mennonite Church, Susan Fisher Miller, 48, an editor and English professor, said, 'I completely accept and affirm the view of God as creator, but I accommodate evolution within that.'" And this letter, signed by more than 10,000 clergy members: An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science: "...We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children..." An opinion is just a thought in the mind. It is not real for it comes and goes. It has a beginning and an end. All thoughts are not real in that sense. What is real is what has no beginning or end and is eternal. A belief is just a thought shared by more than one. Beliefs are not real either. You can actually answer this question yourself with a little logic. Here are the two options: The complexity of life and the universe did arise completely spontaneously and without any intelligence. Nature created all the complexity we see today. An intelligent creator created all of the complexity that we see today because complexity requires intelligence to create it. The advantage of the first option is that it is self-contained. The complexity arose spontaneously. No other explanation is required. The problem with the second option is that it immediately creates an impossibility. If complexity cannot arise without intelligence, then we immediately must ask, "Who created the intelligent creator?" The creator could not spring into existence if complexity requires intelligence. Therefore, God is impossible. In other words, by applying logic, we can prove that God is imaginary. Thank you. I don't agree with everything you said, but it certainly presents more logic and reasoning than the Bible-thumpers are used to. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly a person can go from saying a scientific theory is unfalsifiable to saying that "GOD SPOKE TO ME AND REVEALED THE TRUTH OF EVERYTHING TO ME, so therefore I am right." As if they just don't see the baffling irony in that statement. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 23223519 United States 02/18/2013 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evolution is a process governed by "natural selection." I'm not sure if you know what that means. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2029220 First, random genetic variations occur in nature all the time. This is undisputed. The idea behind "evolution" is that those animals that have adaptive advantages conferred on them due to these random variations will live longer than other animals, breed, and hence propagate that specific genetic variation. That is, "natural" genetic variations "select" those animals adapted sufficiently well to their surrounding environment for survival. Thank you, Captain Obvious. Natural Selection kills things that aren't suited to their environment. Please present your arguments or evidence that Natural Selection of random variations can build increasingly complex and functional elements in a species. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2183540 United States 02/18/2013 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540 Look Bro, type in 'thermodynamic system' in google, or wiki, and it will tell you my definition- whole universe = closed system yes but it will also say you are open system or do you just ignore that? Are humans some kind of exception to the rule? Do humans not get old and decay? Shouldnt everything within the universe count as the universe itself? You are arguing semantics, not science. No you are the one arguing sementics. You just said how the science behind thermodynamics says the Universe is a closed system but then you ignore the same science that says humans are open systems. Now you are trying to say humans are the universe too cause they are part of it. THAT is arguing semantics. Here let me refresh your mind ""II. Thermodynamic systems Energy transfer is studied in three types of systems: Open systems Open systems can exchange both matter and energy with an outside system. They are portions of larger systems and in intimate contact with the larger system. Your body is an open system. Closed systems Closed systems exchange energy but not matter with an outside system. Though they are typically portions of larger systems, they are not in complete contact. The Earth is essentially a closed system; it obtains lots of energy from the Sun but the exchange of matter with the outside is almost zero. Isolated systems Isolated systems can exchange neither energy nor matter with an outside system. While they may be portions of larger systems, they do not communicate with the outside in any way. The physical universe is an isolated system; a closed thermos bottle is essentially an isolated system (though its insulation is not perfect)." " Do you agree that everything in the universe is the universe itself? Do yo uthink humans are some kind of exception? (repeating because you didnt answer) |
John Kimble User ID: 1516308 Netherlands 02/18/2013 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540 Look Bro, type in 'thermodynamic system' in google, or wiki, and it will tell you my definition- whole universe = closed system yes but it will also say you are open system or do you just ignore that? Are humans some kind of exception to the rule? Do humans not get old and decay? Shouldnt everything within the universe count as the universe itself? You are arguing semantics, not science. No you are the one arguing sementics. You just said how the science behind thermodynamics says the Universe is a closed system but then you ignore the same science that says humans are open systems. Now you are trying to say humans are the universe too cause they are part of it. THAT is arguing semantics. Here let me refresh your mind ""II. Thermodynamic systems Energy transfer is studied in three types of systems: Open systems Open systems can exchange both matter and energy with an outside system. They are portions of larger systems and in intimate contact with the larger system. Your body is an open system. Closed systems Closed systems exchange energy but not matter with an outside system. Though they are typically portions of larger systems, they are not in complete contact. The Earth is essentially a closed system; it obtains lots of energy from the Sun but the exchange of matter with the outside is almost zero. Isolated systems Isolated systems can exchange neither energy nor matter with an outside system. While they may be portions of larger systems, they do not communicate with the outside in any way. The physical universe is an isolated system; a closed thermos bottle is essentially an isolated system (though its insulation is not perfect)." " Do you agree that everything in the universe is the universe itself? Do yo uthink humans are some kind of exception? (repeating because you didnt answer) I did answer, maybe read again. Last Edited by John Kimble on 02/18/2013 05:30 PM I'm da party poopa |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2183540 United States 02/18/2013 05:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2183540 Are humans some kind of exception to the rule? Do humans not get old and decay? Shouldnt everything within the universe count as the universe itself? You are arguing semantics, not science. No you are the one arguing sementics. You just said how the science behind thermodynamics says the Universe is a closed system but then you ignore the same science that says humans are open systems. Now you are trying to say humans are the universe too cause they are part of it. THAT is arguing semantics. Here let me refresh your mind ""II. Thermodynamic systems Energy transfer is studied in three types of systems: Open systems Open systems can exchange both matter and energy with an outside system. They are portions of larger systems and in intimate contact with the larger system. Your body is an open system. Closed systems Closed systems exchange energy but not matter with an outside system. Though they are typically portions of larger systems, they are not in complete contact. The Earth is essentially a closed system; it obtains lots of energy from the Sun but the exchange of matter with the outside is almost zero. Isolated systems Isolated systems can exchange neither energy nor matter with an outside system. While they may be portions of larger systems, they do not communicate with the outside in any way. The physical universe is an isolated system; a closed thermos bottle is essentially an isolated system (though its insulation is not perfect)." " Do you agree that everything in the universe is the universe itself? Do yo uthink humans are some kind of exception? (repeating because you didnt answer) I did answer, maybe read again. Humans are a part of the universe. The universe is a closed system. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2029220 United States 02/18/2013 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evolution is a process governed by "natural selection." I'm not sure if you know what that means. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2029220 First, random genetic variations occur in nature all the time. This is undisputed. The idea behind "evolution" is that those animals that have adaptive advantages conferred on them due to these random variations will live longer than other animals, breed, and hence propagate that specific genetic variation. That is, "natural" genetic variations "select" those animals adapted sufficiently well to their surrounding environment for survival. Thank you, Captain Obvious. Natural Selection kills things that aren't suited to their environment. Please present your arguments or evidence that Natural Selection of random variations can build increasingly complex and functional elements in a species. Lol so you're going to ask ME for evidence, but God gets the (no doubt wonderful) privilege of being able to talk to you directly? HAHA that's just rich. If God has spoken to you directly why do you even need "evidence" and "arguments" from a mere mortal such as myself? If a mutation creates a more complex organism than one before it, and that mutation confers adaptive advantages for the new organism, then - viola! Complexity has emerged. Hundreds of scientific papers have been written on the subject, and if you weren't just some "God speaks to me" crack-pot I might even care to waste my time and provide just a few of them. SO - why can't you comment on how ironic it is that you claim Darwinian theory is "unfalsifiable" and then proceed to say God revealed to you, a priori, no doubt, that evolution is a theory of "the imagination of foolish men?" HAHAHA you want to know what ELSE I just heard coming from the imagination of a foolish man? The idea that God spoke to him directly about this issue. Something you and no one else will never be able to prove true or false, no doubt. But in the meantime, I would get your head checked by a shrink. Got hasn't spoken to you. So stop kidding yourself. |
SeekWisdom User ID: 14695767 United States 02/18/2013 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evolution is a quasi-religious, naturalist philosophy that predates Christianity. It is by no means the result of scientific investigation as we are taught. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519 This pseudo-science was mandated by Royal Societies as a foundation of biology, in a time when Spontaneous Generation (mice spawning from old rags) was still viewed as a legitimate theory, and when the living cell was considered to be nothing more than a blob of undifferentiated jello. Since then, the life sciences have been marred with superstitious magical thinking, and a force fitting of data in any way that will conform to several non-falsifiable evolutionary models. Our life on Earth is but a vapor. Please do not simply accept this story you've been told about Evolution. Please understand that a majority of scientists have believed dumb and wrong ideas all throughout history, often being spurred on by the popular philosophies of that age. Naturalism(Atheism) is considered the 'sophisticated' belief system in our day. Contrary to their mantras, it has very little to do with science. I do believe in Creation by the Almighty God of the Bible. My hope here is to wake people up to the illusion of the scientific fraud that is Evolution, so that they may think carefully and skeptically on the subject of their true origins. It was through studying evolution, that God revealed to me that this 'theory' was the imagination of foolish men, and delivered me to the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray for the same for others reading. Seek the Absolute Truth! With that said, my challenge is extended to Evolutionists. I submit that your views are not based on scientific evidence, but on religious and philosophical belief in the theory itself. An introduction to evolution The definition Biological evolution, simply put, is descent with modification. This definition encompasses small-scale evolution (changes in gene frequency in a population from one generation to the next) and large-scale evolution (the descent of different species from a common ancestor over many generations). Evolution helps us to understand the history of life. The explanation Biological evolution is not simply a matter of change over time. Lots of things change over time: trees lose their leaves, mountain ranges rise and erode, but they aren't examples of biological evolution because they don't involve descent through genetic inheritance. The central idea of biological evolution is that all life on Earth shares a common ancestor, just as you and your cousins share a common grandmother. Through the process of descent with modification, the common ancestor of life on Earth gave rise to the fantastic diversity that we see documented in the fossil record and around us today. Evolution means that we're all distant cousins: humans and oak trees, hummingbirds and whales. [link to evolution.berkeley.edu] "The lips of wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding" A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy? Albert Einstein Get over here!- Scorpion |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2183540 United States 02/18/2013 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evolution is a process governed by "natural selection." I'm not sure if you know what that means. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2029220 First, random genetic variations occur in nature all the time. This is undisputed. The idea behind "evolution" is that those animals that have adaptive advantages conferred on them due to these random variations will live longer than other animals, breed, and hence propagate that specific genetic variation. That is, "natural" genetic variations "select" those animals adapted sufficiently well to their surrounding environment for survival. Thank you, Captain Obvious. Natural Selection kills things that aren't suited to their environment. Please present your arguments or evidence that Natural Selection of random variations can build increasingly complex and functional elements in a species. Lol so you're going to ask ME for evidence, but God gets the (no doubt wonderful) privilege of being able to talk to you directly? HAHA that's just rich. If God has spoken to you directly why do you even need "evidence" and "arguments" from a mere mortal such as myself? If a mutation creates a more complex organism than one before it, and that mutation confers adaptive advantages for the new organism, then - viola! Complexity has emerged. Hundreds of scientific papers have been written on the subject, and if you weren't just some "God speaks to me" crack-pot I might even care to waste my time and provide just a few of them. SO - why can't you comment on how ironic it is that you claim Darwinian theory is "unfalsifiable" and then proceed to say God revealed to you, a priori, no doubt, that evolution is a theory of "the imagination of foolish men?" HAHAHA you want to know what ELSE I just heard coming from the imagination of a foolish man? The idea that God spoke to him directly about this issue. Something you and no one else will never be able to prove true or false, no doubt. But in the meantime, I would get your head checked by a shrink. Got hasn't spoken to you. So stop kidding yourself. Name a mutation that added new information. You must not understand the concept of a genetic mutation, it is only deletrious or scrambles existing information. Theres never anything new added. That should save you some time.. |