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Can someone show me proof that "God" is real?

 
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Say these words, "If you are real, Jesus, please show me."

I believe He will show you He is real. I have heard Jesus on two occasions. I wasn't told anything earth shattering or to do any great miracle, but, those times have stopped me from not believing on many occasions...I always come back to..."yeah, but you heard Him those two times!" I would love to hear Him all of the time!
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Been there, done that. He does NOT exist :-) I gave up on the whole thing 20 years ago.
I saw through the bullshit...
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Just wondering why you skipped my post?
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Come ye fishers of men, I'm looking for proof that "God" is real. I see all these people linking scripture with the wildest things, claiming that evolution is bunk, the big bang is bunk, and that the world is only 6000 years old... Despite evidence that evolution, the big bang, the bible as allegory, and radiocarbon dating are more than likely correct. So where is the proof that "God" actually exists?

I'm not looking for that tired old "you can see God in a baby's smile or a sunset" rhetoric. I'm looking for quantifiable incontrovertible proof that there is a "God" and that I will suffer eternally for doubting his existence.

You holy rollers should find this a rather easy question to answer and have the proof falling out of your ears, so I beg of you to share with others... After all you are supposed to be as worried about our immortal souls as you are of your own.
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OP you never considered for a split second that all the tacit assumptions you make are not necessarily true, have you?
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By no means am I trying to lump all Christians into one category. That would be like lumping all religions into one category, which is just silly. But there are plenty of examples to back my claims, just read these forums if you doubt me.
There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
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I cannot prove anything, but I can tell you that based on my personal experiences, I could never not believe in God. During meditation, I can feel God's love (or those serving Him) when I want to feel it. The extra energy moves through my body when my intention to open my heart is clearly made. I have made a little bit of contact with my pair of guardian angels (they contact me by leaving small feathers around the house, there is no other source for them like blankets or pillows). I opened my third eye for a whole year, but the feeling slowly went away after I moved. I'm just starting to reawaken it now.

My story of truth-searching is much longer, but I was able to understand Deity to a greater degree and leave organized religion behind.
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If I were offered a chance to see a miracle, I wouldn't pass on it, to then focus on a delusional post.
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I'd love to see a miracle! When can I expect it?
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Right now.

And here's where you can find it:

Take a look into a mirror. There's a miracle there that is much overlooked.
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I already know that I am miraculously good looking. 5a But I'm looking for proof of "God" not Godlike good looks lol. cruise
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When you fail to understand such a simple message, the meaning of the word miracle, then God is indeed, impossible to find.
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I will tell you this.

Only GOD can prove this to you. And when He does, all the petty stuff will become irrelevant. You will know.
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Just wondering why you skipped my post?
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When I was a follower of Christ I asked daily for proof of "God" during my crisis of faith. Well you can see the results. I am Agnostic because of studying the bible and it's inconsistencies. Also I observe human nature, and I can tell you that religion was created as a control mechanism way back in the days of might makes right.

The strong clan chief would try to make a stupid decision, the shaman being an intelligent person who immediately recognized the mistake would tell the clan chief "hey buddy you are messing up." Which earned him a grade a ass whuppin. So the shaman using his mental prowess told the clan chief that the spirits of the sky told him that the moon would only be half visible in 15 days. Well sure enough 15 days later the moon looked just like the shaman said it would, and the chief was sold on the sky spirits. So the shaman started to tell the chief that the sky spirits would be angry if he didn't listen to the shamans wisdom, and bada bang bada boom religion was born.
There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
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Proof: Thread: you found me! Im here and im about to begin...
Prince William's occulted numbers:

An eclipse on his birthday, 19th, 38th, 57th and 76th birthdays.

3y,3m,3d old when he started nursery.
8y, 8m, 8d old on first public duty.
5555 days old on Diana's funeral.

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I'd love to see a miracle! When can I expect it?
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Right now.

And here's where you can find it:

Take a look into a mirror. There's a miracle there that is much overlooked.
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I already know that I am miraculously good looking. 5a But I'm looking for proof of "God" not Godlike good looks lol. cruise
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When you fail to understand such a simple message, the meaning of the word miracle, then God is indeed, impossible to find.
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Trust me it is not that I don't understand your message. It's that your message is the same old song and dance that someone who has no proof will always sing. If there were a "God" and it made us in its image (capable of being rational, intelligent, compassionate, ect ect...) One would think that it would leave some actual quantifiable proof of it's existence.
There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
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Come ye fishers of men, I'm looking for proof that "God" is real. I see all these people linking scripture with the wildest things, claiming that evolution is bunk, the big bang is bunk, and that the world is only 6000 years old... Despite evidence that evolution, the big bang, the bible as allegory, and radiocarbon dating are more than likely correct. So where is the proof that "God" actually exists?

I'm not looking for that tired old "you can see God in a baby's smile or a sunset" rhetoric. I'm looking for quantifiable incontrovertible proof that there is a "God" and that I will suffer eternally for doubting his existence.

You holy rollers should find this a rather easy question to answer and have the proof falling out of your ears, so I beg of you to share with others... After all you are supposed to be as worried about our immortal souls as you are of your own.
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Matthew 4:7
Jesus said to him: It is written again: Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Acts Of Apostles 13:41
Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which you will not believe, if any man shall tell it you.


John 4:48
Jesus therefore said to him: Unless you see signs and wonders, you believe not.

Luke 16:31
And he said to him: If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, if one rise again from the dead.

1 Corinthians 1: [18] For the word of the cross, to them indeed that perish, is foolishness; but to them that are saved, that is, to us, it is the power of God. [19] For it is written: I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the prudence of the prudent I will reject. [20] Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? Hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

[21] For seeing that in the wisdom of God the world, by wisdom, knew not God, it pleased God, by the foolishness of our preaching, to save them that believe. [22] For both the Jews require signs, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: [23] But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews indeed a stumblingblock, and unto the Gentiles foolishness: [24] But unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. [25] For the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.


John 10:26
But you do not believe, because you are not of my sheep.

Mark 1: [15] And saying: The time is accomplished, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent, and believe the gospel.

2 Timothy 2: [7] Understand what I say: for the Lord will give thee in all things understanding. [8] Be mindful that the Lord Jesus Christ is risen again from the dead, of the seed of David, according to my gospel. [9] Wherein I labour even unto bands, as an evildoer; but the word of God is not bound. [10] Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation, which is in Christ Jesus, with heavenly glory.

[11] A faithful saying: for if we be dead with him, we shall live also with him. [12] If we suffer, we shall also reign with him. If we deny him, he will also deny us. [13] If we believe not, he continueth faithful, he can not deny himself.


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1 Chronicles 16:22 Touch not my anointed: and do no evil to my prophets.
Colossians 2:[21] Touch not, taste not, handle not:

Thread: Thus saith the LORD: Behold I set before you the way of life, and the way of death.

Thread: Jesus began to preach, and to say: Do penance, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.


Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus

Thread: Hell is real and most people are just a breath away from it. Ignorance is no excuse.

3 Kings (1 Kings) 18: [15] And Elias said: As the Lord of hosts liveth, before whose face I stand, this day.

Amos 3:7 For the Lord God doth nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.

BEHOLD! THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND!

Matthew 10: [34] Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.


Jeremias (Jeremiah) 25: [27] And thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts the God of Israel: Drink ye, and be drunken, and vomit: and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword, which I shall send among you.
[28] And if they refuse to take the cup at thy hand to drink, thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts: Drinking you shall drink:

Jeremias (Jeremiah) 22:[29] O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord.

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 39: [8] Behold it cometh, and it is done, saith the Lord God: this is the day whereof I have spoken.

2 Corinthians 11:31
The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is blessed for ever, knoweth that I lie not.

Matthew 26:[46] Rise, let us go: behold he is at hand that will betray me.[47] As he yet spoke, behold Judas, one of
the twelve, came.

Aggeus (Haggai) 2: [7] For thus saith the Lord of hosts: Yet one little while, and I will move the heaven and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land.

(Isaiah) 24:[3] With desolation shall the earth be laid waste, and it shall be utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.

Zacharias (Zachariah) 13:7
Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that cleaveth to me, saith the Lord of hosts: strike the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered:

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 18:32
For I desire not the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God, return ye and live.
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Re: Can someone show me proof that "God" is real?
First, what is God? Answer that one, then we'll work on the original question.
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I will tell you this.

Only GOD can prove this to you. And when He does, all the petty stuff will become irrelevant. You will know.
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Just wondering why you skipped my post?
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When I was a follower of Christ I asked daily for proof of "God" during my crisis of faith. Well you can see the results. I am Agnostic because of studying the bible and it's inconsistencies. Also I observe human nature, and I can tell you that religion was created as a control mechanism way back in the days of might makes right.

The strong clan chief would try to make a stupid decision, the shaman being an intelligent person who immediately recognized the mistake would tell the clan chief "hey buddy you are messing up." Which earned him a grade a ass whuppin. So the shaman using his mental prowess told the clan chief that the spirits of the sky told him that the moon would only be half visible in 15 days. Well sure enough 15 days later the moon looked just like the shaman said it would, and the chief was sold on the sky spirits. So the shaman started to tell the chief that the sky spirits would be angry if he didn't listen to the shamans wisdom, and bada bang bada boom religion was born.
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See, that the thing. I became a Christian when I first recieved the good news about Jesus Christ. I wasn't indoctrinated. And before I had even read the Bible or knew much about it.
There were certain things that caught my curiosity though. Just enough.
It had been several years of anything really. And then I had to make a dicision. Like everyone has to do.

Do I really believe and what is it that I really believe.

Even Jesus Christ was led into the desert.

I kept believing by faith. Because this is what I really believe to be true. Even during those tough years. I think you might know what I'm talking about.

I will say this though. GOD didn't really show HIMSELF mighty to me until about 20 years after I became a Christian. Not that He didn't reveal HIMSELF but just in a different way. And it was obvious. No denying it.

It is not indoctrination that make people a Christian. It's not the fact you may or may not go to church. It is where your heart is at.

When your faith was challenged, what happened?

I know it is not easy.
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can u prove you love your family?
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Right now.

And here's where you can find it:

Take a look into a mirror. There's a miracle there that is much overlooked.
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I already know that I am miraculously good looking. 5a But I'm looking for proof of "God" not Godlike good looks lol. cruise
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


When you fail to understand such a simple message, the meaning of the word miracle, then God is indeed, impossible to find.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15993935


Trust me it is not that I don't understand your message. It's that your message is the same old song and dance that someone who has no proof will always sing. If there were a "God" and it made us in its image (capable of being rational, intelligent, compassionate, ect ect...) One would think that it would leave some actual quantifiable proof of it's existence.
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You.are.a.miracle.

Life is a miracle.

What do you need God for if you cannot appreciate miracles?

And lets hypothetically say God exists; how would you know he exists if you're unaware of what a miracle truly is?

Works the other way around too... Without God existing, there are still miracles, but what's the point of miracles if people look past them, trying to find some being that does not exist.
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It depends on how you define "God"
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Come ye fishers of men, I'm looking for proof that "God" is real. I see all these people linking scripture with the wildest things, claiming that evolution is bunk, the big bang is bunk, and that the world is only 6000 years old... Despite evidence that evolution, the big bang, the bible as allegory, and radiocarbon dating are more than likely correct. So where is the proof that "God" actually exists?

I'm not looking for that tired old "you can see God in a baby's smile or a sunset" rhetoric. I'm looking for quantifiable incontrovertible proof that there is a "God" and that I will suffer eternally for doubting his existence.

You holy rollers should find this a rather easy question to answer and have the proof falling out of your ears, so I beg of you to share with others... After all you are supposed to be as worried about our immortal souls as you are of your own.
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OP you never considered for a split second that all the tacit assumptions you make are not necessarily true, have you?
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By no means am I trying to lump all Christians into one category. That would be like lumping all religions into one category, which is just silly. But there are plenty of examples to back my claims, just read these forums if you doubt me.
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Having said that maybe you're fight phantoms.
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Also, I am sympathetic towards you. I understand.

See, faith isn't really saying GOD show yourself and I will believe.

And it is different for everyone because everyone is different and only GOD truly knows what has been shown to them individually.

Faith is trusting GOD.

And I am not sure where you were at in your faith. But only GOD could determine that.
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Say these words, "If you are real, Jesus, please show me."

I believe He will show you He is real. I have heard Jesus on two occasions. I wasn't told anything earth shattering or to do any great miracle, but, those times have stopped me from not believing on many occasions...I always come back to..."yeah, but you heard Him those two times!" I would love to hear Him all of the time!
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Not trying to be offensive here, but if I were hearing voices I would be worried about mild to moderately severe schizophrenia.
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If you go to sleep and wake up that is a miracle, God made you that way.

To try a explain God would be a miracle, we know God, but to explain God is something that God does. We know life and love that is God, with out God there would only be a bunch of walk empty meat suits.
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can u prove you love your family?
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Absolutely. I feed and shelter them. I care for them when they are sick. I educate them so they will have the knowledge that they need for the future. I provide a moral compass to them so they will know right from wrong. I act as a role model of the person I want them to be. And I do these things expecting nothing in return.

If I did not love my family surely I would charge for these services, much like the church with its tithing system.
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can u prove you love your family?
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Absolutely. I feed and shelter them. I care for them when they are sick. I educate them so they will have the knowledge that they need for the future. I provide a moral compass to them so they will know right from wrong. I act as a role model of the person I want them to be. And I do these things expecting nothing in return.

If I did not love my family surely I would charge for these services, much like the church with its tithing system.
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See, your understanding seems to be reliant on what you've been told, rather than what you "know".

GOD and religion are not the same thing.

Jesus came to save you from religion.
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Perhaps you should rethink your meaning of the word 'God'.
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Absolutely. I feed and shelter them. I care for them when they are sick. I educate them so they will have the knowledge that they need for the future. I provide a moral compass to them so they will know right from wrong. I act as a role model of the person I want them to be. And I do these things expecting nothing in return.

If I did not love my family surely I would charge for these services, much like the church with its tithing system.
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See, your understanding seems to be reliant on what you've been told, rather than what you "know".

GOD and religion are not the same thing.

Jesus came to save you from religion.
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Sorry to disagree, but if not for religion "God" would be in the same place as Zeus and Odin... The Mythology section of your local book store.

Jesus didn't come to save me from religion. He came to unify Israel under it's rightful king, and Pilate just couldn't have that happen. If Jesus ascended to his throne Judea would have revolted against the Romans and Pilate would have not only lost control of the region, but also his life.
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Come ye fishers of men, I'm looking for proof that "God" is real.
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Imagine a little cell in your body asking its friends and neighbors -- Hey guys, what is this big allpowerful entity they call 'AgnosticDeity', where is it? I have never seen it or heard it,... I don't think it exists.

Reductio ad absurdum -- type your name on the keyboard and watch your hands as you do it. What are the odds that some bunch of molecules colliding completely aimlessly will come together to assemble into those hands, another bunch next to it also aimlessly colliding, assemble into your arms, then some more bunches into the rest of you, then another bunches into that keyboard, computer, cable modem, the ISP Data center, power stations supplying your computer, your lightbulb, your ISP's Data Center,.... Then the bunches making your fingers moving that particular way all in synchrony and just happen to produce, of all conceivable light patterns, none other your own name on the screen... It all supposedly came together just so, by pure aimless collisions between molecules, after all these molecules clumped together as Earth few billion years ago. If that's all there is to it, everything is just randomly colliding by physical laws and nothing else is there, why would they assemble like that and do what you're doing now, what your computer is doing, what rest of us is doing... What are the odds of everything coming together by aimless collisions. Does it seem like that's all there is to it?
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Not to be "preachy" with you but I would like you to see for yourself what Jesus said about religion. It is important because many rely on whats interpreted for them, rather than reading for themselves and "seeking".

James 1:27
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.


This can be summed up by the 2nd commandment.

To love eachother as yourself.


Jesus said all of the law and the prophets could be summed up by the first 2 commandments.

The most important...

Love GOD with all of your heart, soul, strength and "understanding".

The other is just like it.

To love eachother as yourself.

Then before He left, He gave another to His disciples. After He had just given them a living example to follow.

Love eachother as I have loved you.

See a pattern?

Love

How about this...
Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.

I love the parable of the Good Samaritan.

It's a shout for joy and a burden relieved when understood.
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thats your proof? those are parental roles.. Not love.. Doctors and bad parents do those things all the time as protocol..

Do you have your kids do chores yet? If yes, that responsibility is a tithing system
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Open your I.
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Come ye fishers of men, I'm looking for proof that "God" is real.
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Imagine a little cell in your body asking its friends and neighbors -- Hey guys, what is this big allpowerful entity they call 'AgnosticDeity', where is it? I have never seen it or heard it,... I don't think it exists.

Reductio ad absurdum -- type your name on the keyboard and watch your hands as you do it. What are the odds that some bunch of molecules colliding completely aimlessly will come together to assemble into those hands, another bunch next to it also aimlessly colliding, assemble into your arms, then some more bunches into the rest of you, then another bunches into that keyboard, computer, cable modem, the ISP Data center, power stations supplying your computer, your lightbulb, your ISP's Data Center,.... Then the bunches making your fingers moving that particular way all in synchrony and just happen to produce, of all conceivable light patterns, none other your own name on the screen... It all supposedly came together just so, by pure aimless collisions between molecules, after all these molecules clumped together as Earth few billion years ago. If that's all there is to it, everything is just randomly colliding by physical laws and nothing else is there, why would they assemble like that and do what you're doing now, what your computer is doing, what rest of us is doing... What are the odds of everything coming together by aimless collisions. Does it seem like that's all there is to it?
 Quoting: nightlight7


By all means, those aimless collisions are a miracle in and of themselves, with or without a God. Why can't we appreciate the miracle without trying to explain it away with "God must've done it!" and by "God" most people here mean a bearded caucasian in the sky.
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Re: Can someone show me proof that "God" is real?
Sorry to disagree, but if not for religion "God" would be in the same place as Zeus and Odin... The Mythology section of your local book store.

Jesus didn't come to save me from religion. He came to unify Israel under it's rightful king, and Pilate just couldn't have that happen. If Jesus ascended to his throne Judea would have revolted against the Romans and Pilate would have not only lost control of the region, but also his life.
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


Really? Even after predicting His own death and torcher? Knowing He would be risen again?

When you said you believe, what is it you actually believed?

Because so far, I am having a hard time believing you were a Christian.
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Re: Can someone show me proof that "God" is real?
Come ye fishers of men, I'm looking for proof that "God" is real. I see all these people linking scripture with the wildest things, claiming that evolution is bunk, the big bang is bunk, and that the world is only 6000 years old... Despite evidence that evolution, the big bang, the bible as allegory, and radiocarbon dating are more than likely correct. So where is the proof that "God" actually exists?

I'm not looking for that tired old "you can see God in a baby's smile or a sunset" rhetoric. I'm looking for quantifiable incontrovertible proof that there is a "God" and that I will suffer eternally for doubting his existence.

You holy rollers should find this a rather easy question to answer and have the proof falling out of your ears, so I beg of you to share with others... After all you are supposed to be as worried about our immortal souls as you are of your own.
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Matthew 4:7
Jesus said to him: It is written again: Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Acts Of Apostles 13:41
Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which you will not believe, if any man shall tell it you.


John 4:48
Jesus therefore said to him: Unless you see signs and wonders, you believe not.

Luke 16:31
And he said to him: If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, if one rise again from the dead.

1 Corinthians 1: [18] For the word of the cross, to them indeed that perish, is foolishness; but to them that are saved, that is, to us, it is the power of God. [19] For it is written: I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the prudence of the prudent I will reject. [20] Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? Hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

[21] For seeing that in the wisdom of God the world, by wisdom, knew not God, it pleased God, by the foolishness of our preaching, to save them that believe. [22] For both the Jews require signs, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: [23] But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews indeed a stumblingblock, and unto the Gentiles foolishness: [24] But unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. [25] For the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.


John 10:26
But you do not believe, because you are not of my sheep.

Mark 1: [15] And saying: The time is accomplished, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent, and believe the gospel.

2 Timothy 2: [7] Understand what I say: for the Lord will give thee in all things understanding. [8] Be mindful that the Lord Jesus Christ is risen again from the dead, of the seed of David, according to my gospel. [9] Wherein I labour even unto bands, as an evildoer; but the word of God is not bound. [10] Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation, which is in Christ Jesus, with heavenly glory.

[11] A faithful saying: for if we be dead with him, we shall live also with him. [12] If we suffer, we shall also reign with him. If we deny him, he will also deny us. [13] If we believe not, he continueth faithful, he can not deny himself.


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and here it is , the obligatory wall o' text
you knew it was coming A. D.
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Re: Can someone show me proof that "God" is real?
Come ye fishers of men, I'm looking for proof that "God" is real.
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Imagine a little cell in your body asking its friends and neighbors -- Hey guys, what is this big allpowerful entity they call 'AgnosticDeity', where is it? I have never seen it or heard it,... I don't think it exists.

Reductio ad absurdum -- type your name on the keyboard and watch your hands as you do it. What are the odds that some bunch of molecules colliding completely aimlessly will come together to assemble into those hands, another bunch next to it also aimlessly colliding, assemble into your arms, then some more bunches into the rest of you, then another bunches into that keyboard, computer, cable modem, the ISP Data center, power stations supplying your computer, your lightbulb, your ISP's Data Center,.... Then the bunches making your fingers moving that particular way all in synchrony and just happen to produce, of all conceivable light patterns, none other your own name on the screen... It all supposedly came together just so, by pure aimless collisions between molecules, after all these molecules clumped together as Earth few billion years ago. If that's all there is to it, everything is just randomly colliding by physical laws and nothing else is there, why would they assemble like that and do what you're doing now, what your computer is doing, what rest of us is doing... What are the odds of everything coming together by aimless collisions. Does it seem like that's all there is to it?
 Quoting: nightlight7


[link to simple.wikipedia.org]

No collisions here. Pure expansion from a very small, hot, dense state. Nothing really random about it either, it follows a rather simple structure. Think of a balloon if you will. In its inert state is is a small piece of plastic. When pressure is added to the inside the balloon expands and rounds out. When the air pressure inside drops the balloon contracts back to its original state. Our universe is much like the balloon in this instance, we are still in the expansion phase at the moment, and likely will be for billions of years to come. When the energy from the big bang (which is actually a misnomer as there likely was no bang) dissipates the universe will contract back to its original hot dense singularity until a time when theoretically the stored energy is released again and expansion happens once more.
There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
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Re: Can someone show me proof that "God" is real?
Every con artist requires that you take what they say on
"faith" because they can't really prove anything.
This includes preachers
You can ignore the consequences of
your actions, but you cannot ignore
the RESULTS of the consequences of your actions

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