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There is no proof that Jesus Christ ever existed!

 
Aman

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This Aman guy is simply making up stories that have zero evidence they occured.

Much like Jesus.

Again, this is not evidence, only conjecture.

And to the idiot posting the numbers of believers by religion, that is not evidence of anything either.

The popularity of something does not not give it validity.

This would be obvious to a 3rd grader.

It would be like saying that Avatar is the best movie ever made because it made the most money or that Thriller by Michael Jackson is the best album of all time because it sold the most copies.

There are no first hand eyewitness accounts of a Jesus, none. All hesrsay accounts in the bible and Hosephus's writings are hearsay and gave been tampered with to add these references.

Why didn't Jesus ever write anything himself? If he was the son of god tgen surely he would be capable of reading and writing?

And that Jesus Christ's Apprentice book smells like bullshit to me. It does not even appear to be real. Why is it not on amazon? Does anyone on here have a copy? If so take pictures of it and upload the images.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12131405


Actually, I am not.

These things I have said are true, they all occurred exactly as written here and elsewhere I have put them.

I do not really care if you believe me a liar or not, that is not the point, the intent is that you may hear and have to choose to believe or not,

I tried to show the truth of what I believe as an answer to a question asked.

To tell the whole world a man is lying without knowing him... who has lost the ability to reason? You do not know me but you say I am lying and making up stories... how sad for you.

I will give you another in truth.

Cliff was a good friend with whom I spent much time, he is not a believer either, but we were and perhaps are still good friends. He came by one day on a motorcycle and in the course of the conversation from my mouth the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ said,"do not be riding that thing, reach down to adjust the gas, and break your leg."

About a month later he called because he was in the hospital with a broken leg. He knows the witness god gave him but what he does with it is up to him.

And what you do with these words I have spoken is also up to you, believe me or call me a liar, your choice.

Like I said, believing in anything but yourself is near impossible, no?

This Aman guy is no liar my friend.
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I said if ONE person accused you of a crime in the absence of any other evidence by your logic you would just accept the accusation and agree to go to prison.

If a woman is raped and a crowd sees it happen, it is now 50 witnesses but even if this is the case a rape kit and dna evidence is still required in a court of law before they would be convicted.

Maybe it was just rough sex, maybe the woman decided to accuse him of
rape to be vindictive. There are many variables before there can be a conviction.

Cases first have to be PROVEN with EVIDENCE. You say these books are proof, but where is the evidence?

One can not rely on testimony alone.
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I said if ONE person accused you of a crime in the absence of any other evidence by your logic you would just accept the accusation and agree to go to prison.

This is a false assumption, since you didn't read. I stated, there are many other cases / people, who also saw the exact same thing, as the girl.

There's also other evidences, not mere testimonies, that give further evidence, of the validity of the Bible (which I posted, the 4 hour vid). There's even much more evidences, that I haven't yet even mentioned in this thread.

Also, you still don't know the difference between evidence and proof. Grab a dictionary and see. Have you not yet graduated from high school?
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No one cares about your stories that you make up on the spot Aman

I was fucking with you on the evidence/proof thing because you said the books are both 'evidences' and 'proof'. Only when I said they are the same thing did you look it up. Re-read your posts.

Again, evidence is collected to prove a case but no case was ever proven based on testimony alone.

All these NDE books are is just testimonies of dubious origin with questionable motives and monetary gain being a sole motivator.

I'm not watching a 4 hour video in YouTube about Mt. Zion. I don't care about that.

The subject of this thread is proving that Jesus existed with evidence.

You are getting so far away from that now that it's just silly.

6 Big Big Angels and a exorcism "documentary" and 4 hour YT video about Mt. Zion does not prove that Jesus existed.

You know that it doesn't.
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No one cares about your stories that you make up on the spot Aman

I was fucking with you on the evidence/proof thing because you said the books are both 'evidences' and 'proof'. Only when I said they are the same thing did you look it up. Re-read your posts.

Again, evidence is collected to prove a case but no case was ever proven based on testimony alone.

All these NDE books are is just testimonies of dubious origin with questionable motives and monetary gain being a sole motivator.

I'm not watching a 4 hour video in YouTube about Mt. Zion. I don't care about that.

The subject of this thread is proving that Jesus existed with evidence.

You are getting so far away from that now that it's just silly.

6 Big Big Angels and a exorcism "documentary" and 4 hour YT video about Mt. Zion does not prove that Jesus existed.

You know that it doesn't.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12131405


1) I'm not Aman

2) I never stated the books are proof.

3) The Bible speaks of Jesus. So common sense tells you, we should not only for evidence of Jesus, but evidence for the validity of the Bible.

4) I stated, there's more evidences, that I haven't yet shared in this thread.

Since, you refuse to even look at the evidences, it's pointless to share more.
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No one cares about your stories that you make up on the spot Aman

I was fucking with you on the evidence/proof thing because you said the books are both 'evidences' and 'proof'. Only when I said they are the same thing did you look it up. Re-read your posts.

Again, evidence is collected to prove a case but no case was ever proven based on testimony alone.

All these NDE books are is just testimonies of dubious origin with questionable motives and monetary gain being a sole motivator.

I'm not watching a 4 hour video in YouTube about Mt. Zion. I don't care about that.

The subject of this thread is proving that Jesus existed with evidence.

You are getting so far away from that now that it's just silly.

6 Big Big Angels and a exorcism "documentary" and 4 hour YT video about Mt. Zion does not prove that Jesus existed.

You know that it doesn't.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12131405


Dude are you delirious?

When did I present any arguments about anything being evidence or proof? You weren't fucking with me, that was another poster.

Maybe you should re-read the posts because you are confused and my "stories" are not made up.
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So keep believing fairytales if it makes you feel better, but sometimes the truth hurts.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Jesus Christ ever existed, and if you think the Bible is evidence, then you should get your head checked.
 Quoting: WTF_is_a_Moniker


Typical brain-dead Ozturd.
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Why? Because he's correct?

You dumbass fanatical American Christians are the worst. You claim to love "Jesus" and be all lovey dovey Christian holier-than-thous all the while blowing the ever-loving shit out of the rest of the world.

God forbid someone is a Muslim. Then your hatred gets to a whole new level.

BRAIN-DEAD doesn't begin to describe you violent motherfuckers.

Stick to attacking middle eastern countries.

dddddddddddd
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I was addressing both 34688874 and Aman.

All of your stories about random dudes are bullshit Aman.

34688874, you said over and over that 6 big angels is proof and now you are backpedaling like I never read your posts.

All the bs you have tried to present as 'evidences' is laughable so I don't give a shit if you don't share any more because it will be more of the same.
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No proof for Jesus = Atheistard conspiracy theory nothing more.

No proof at all about Jesus not being real.
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I was addressing both 34688874 and Aman.

All of your stories about random dudes are bullshit Aman.

34688874, you said over and over that 6 big angels is proof and now you are backpedaling like I never read your posts
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Find a quote where I state 'proof'.

I see you lying again.
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So keep believing fairytales if it makes you feel better, but sometimes the truth hurts.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Jesus Christ ever existed, and if you think the Bible is evidence, then you should get your head checked.
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.....well , if jesus never existed , ..so what??..........neither did yoda......look at all the people who look up to him (figuratively ).......
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So keep believing fairytales if it makes you feel better, but sometimes the truth hurts.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Jesus Christ ever existed, and if you think the Bible is evidence, then you should get your head checked.
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Sorry, but you're a moron. An illiterate. From the land of Oz, no less. You jack off in Alice Springs.

Now, go to a REAL LIBRARY and do your research. You'll find tons of evidence.
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....i only post in stupid threads......because i make them stupid
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I was addressing both 34688874 and Aman.

All of your stories about random dudes are bullshit Aman.

34688874, you said over and over that 6 big angels is proof and now you are backpedaling like I never read your posts.

All the bs you have tried to present as 'evidences' is laughable so I don't give a shit if you don't share any more because it will be more of the same.
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I have one more, after that i got nothing.

Mr. Cole was a real fucking cowboy,straight from the old west, coming from Georgia I think but not quite sure now, was a long time ago.

Found him on the same highway, hwy 29 north through Sioux city, ia one summer, a HOT summer, was like 108 the day I met him. He was walking to a place near deadwood, sd to start at a new ranch. Took him home, fed him a good dinner, we bullshitted for a bit, and then I and my daughter drove him to the black hills to his new ranch job.

It's all good my friend but my stories aren't made up, they're my life I have lived with and I have learned to listen to and trust the spirit god has sent to abide in me.

The works are his, not mine.

This thread is about a lack of evidence for Christ and I have given you what I can, there is not much more I can provide. The real problem here is not that you want or would even accept anything as proof short of him showing up and saying hello, but that you and almost all here just love to fuck with us Christians; and that's ok with me, someone may hear the truth even if you do not.
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There is more evidence that he existed than you have that shows you weren't the product of a rape!
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....it doesnt matter if jesus as a human existed as long as you take the teachings seriously....the problem is that most people have to have proof of the former to give credence to the latter...........
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Lol@Aman

You do realize that just taking your word for it regarding all these stories is the EXACT same thing as being expected to believe in the bible because it has a lot of stories in it that are probably all made up?

You're using the same absurd approach when you post stories about homeless cowboys on motorcycles that you ran into.

I have no reason to believe you because it's JUST A STORY.

You can't prove that it happened and your word is not enough.

Think about that.
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Genesis 1:1 Jesus Christ created everything from nothing, If He is Not Real, then you sure aren't too..
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Genesis 1:1 Jesus Christ created everything from nothing, If He is Not Real, then you sure aren't too..
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Um, Jesus is not in the Old Testament, only God.

Way to misquote there!
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Lol@Aman

You do realize that just taking your word for it regarding all these stories is the EXACT same thing as being expected to believe in the bible because it has a lot of stories in it that are probably all made up?

You're using the same absurd approach when you post stories about homeless cowboys on motorcycles that you ran into.

I have no reason to believe you because it's JUST A STORY.

You can't prove that it happened and your word is not enough.

Think about that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12131405


I know but what more can I say?

Have you ever considered that I just MAY be telling the truth? I am not using some "approach" as a tactic to gain advantage or to deceive but I considered the intent of this post and thought of how I could give a witness. The ONLY thing I have is to draw on personal experiences therefore that is what I have chosen to do.

No, I cannot prove anything i have said, you are correct but they are true nonetheless.

Frankly, i was hoping Tom, Gerald, Stephen, Cliffy, or Mr. Cole might be glp'ers, recognize the event, and give me a bump for truth. I can always hope.

I am no liar my friend, but I cannot prove that either... you would have to get to know me.
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So keep believing fairytales if it makes you feel better, but sometimes the truth hurts.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Jesus Christ ever existed, and if you think the Bible is evidence, then you should get your head checked.
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you will receive your proof during the Millennium

of course you will have to suffer through that thousand years while you are taught such

doesn't much matter what you believe or think at this point

nor will it matter how you feel about it afterwards

your happiness will be on your own head so to speak

in full
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Aman says this as he creates 5 accounts to prove his stories lol
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Lol@Aman

You do realize that just taking your word for it regarding all these stories is the EXACT same thing as being expected to believe in the bible because it has a lot of stories in it that are probably all made up?

You're using the same absurd approach when you post stories about homeless cowboys on motorcycles that you ran into.

I have no reason to believe you because it's JUST A STORY.

You can't prove that it happened and your word is not enough.

Think about that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12131405


I know but what more can I say?

Have you ever considered that I just MAY be telling the truth? I am not using some "approach" as a tactic to gain advantage or to deceive but I considered the intent of this post and thought of how I could give a witness. The ONLY thing I have is to draw on personal experiences therefore that is what I have chosen to do.

No, I cannot prove anything i have said, you are correct but they are true nonetheless.

Frankly, i was hoping Tom, Gerald, Stephen, Cliffy, or Mr. Cole might be glp'ers, recognize the event, and give me a bump for truth. I can always hope.

I am no liar my friend, but I cannot prove that either... you would have to get to know me.
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......your problem is that you are too direct , clear and honest.....why dont you try acting like a rotten , spoiled bag of pig anuses like most of the people on here.....
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If there are any students of history here... You may want to take a look at this:

[link to carm.org]

I'm assuming you all know who Josephus was, don't you ?
Flavius Josephus was a Jewish priest at the time of the Jewish Revolt of A.D. 66

Now... prove that Jesus didn't exist !!!!
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I'm going to go with my gut feeling that a Jew who defected to Rome and retired there had Rome's best interest at heart.

Plus he isn't an eyewitness since he was born after Jesus supposed death. Plus, why did he not go into detail about his life and miracles if they were so amazing?
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Aman says this as he creates 5 accounts to prove his stories lol
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That's what happens when younrepeatedly get banned.

I have been Aman for quite some time.
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Doesn't matter if he did or not, there still is no god. People who are religious are just afraid and can't accept that there's eternal nothingness after death.
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Lol@Aman

You do realize that just taking your word for it regarding all these stories is the EXACT same thing as being expected to believe in the bible because it has a lot of stories in it that are probably all made up?

You're using the same absurd approach when you post stories about homeless cowboys on motorcycles that you ran into.

I have no reason to believe you because it's JUST A STORY.

You can't prove that it happened and your word is not enough.

Think about that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12131405


I know but what more can I say?

Have you ever considered that I just MAY be telling the truth? I am not using some "approach" as a tactic to gain advantage or to deceive but I considered the intent of this post and thought of how I could give a witness. The ONLY thing I have is to draw on personal experiences therefore that is what I have chosen to do.

No, I cannot prove anything i have said, you are correct but they are true nonetheless.

Frankly, i was hoping Tom, Gerald, Stephen, Cliffy, or Mr. Cole might be glp'ers, recognize the event, and give me a bump for truth. I can always hope.

I am no liar my friend, but I cannot prove that either... you would have to get to know me.
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......your problem is that you are too direct , clear and honest.....why dont you try acting like a rotten , spoiled bag of pig anuses like most of the people on here.....
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I can be quite the ass at times, just ask my wife and three daughters; life gets us all frustrated at times.
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I was addressing both 34688874 and Aman.

All of your stories about random dudes are bullshit Aman.

34688874, you said over and over that 6 big angels is proof and now you are backpedaling like I never read your posts.

All the bs you have tried to present as 'evidences' is laughable so I don't give a shit if you don't share any more because it will be more of the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12131405


I have one more, after that i got nothing.

Mr. Cole was a real fucking cowboy,straight from the old west, coming from Georgia I think but not quite sure now, was a long time ago.

Found him on the same highway, hwy 29 north through Sioux city, ia one summer, a HOT summer, was like 108 the day I met him. He was walking to a place near deadwood, sd to start at a new ranch. Took him home, fed him a good dinner, we bullshitted for a bit, and then I and my daughter drove him to the black hills to his new ranch job.

It's all good my friend but my stories aren't made up, they're my life I have lived with and I have learned to listen to and trust the spirit god has sent to abide in me.

The works are his, not mine.

This thread is about a lack of evidence for Christ and I have given you what I can, there is not much more I can provide. The real problem here is not that you want or would even accept anything as proof short of him showing up and saying hello, but that you and almost all here just love to fuck with us Christians; and that's ok with me, someone may hear the truth even if you do not.
 Quoting: Aman


Actually, I do have one more story for you, a story of chastisement for a stubborn son.

My wife's grandmother lay in the hospital dying, all her family gatherd around, sad, crying.

I prayed to my father and asked him to let her be healed, I said, "if everyone leaves this room I will know." At that very moment everyone except my wife's mother left the room. Knowing his answer I left with her a few seconds later but half way down the hall i stopped, turned around, went back, and laid my hand on her praying for her to rise and be well.

I learned that day that I should trust his wisdom over my passion because for the next few weeks I could not use that hand, and had pain in it for a year after.

He taught me that day that the gifts are of him and not of myself; this was not my gift or my right, I disobeyed my fathers voice.

He has since taught me what my gift is, I have told you here, but the operation of it comes from him.

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