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There is no proof that Jesus Christ ever existed!

 
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So you hear voices? Madmen and killers claim to hear voices too. I think I see a pattern. Do you have a link to your specific prophesies and their fruition? Do you have proof of such claims you make?

Many people have a "martyr's complex". You seem to be one. Sorry, there is no proof here in your post.
 Quoting: Capt. Ivan Danko


Yeah, the whole hearing voices thing had to be coming.

I am not trying to prove anything to you, I answered your question which I assume was specifically meant to get me to talk of him speaking to me.

Nevertheless, i answered you faithfully and in truth knowing where you would take it.

I am no martyr, I have told you the truth of my life, that is all.

And that whole killer thing you posit, yeah, that is a dead horse too; heard that for years also.
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I believe his name was Gerald Rowe. He was sitting on a bridge on the highway as I passed. The Holy Spirit said to me, "take the next exit," I did and the same spirit said to go to a certain parking lot and space, I did. In a few short minutes I saw the man from the bridge walking down the hill, across the street, and directly by my open window.

I said, "do you need help"

He did and got in my car with my daughter and myself. I asked if he was hungry which he was so I drove next door to Perkins and bought him a meal, my daughter and I ate nothing because we didnt have much money.

I heard his story, being ditched 300 miles from home by friends and was despondent, desperate,

After leaving Perkins we went to the greyhound station to see about getting him home and there was a bus leaving in an hour, the only one for the week; bought the ticket and a pack of smokes for him. We had 13 cents left of the money I had.

Before he left he said, " I don't know what just happened but when I was sitting on that bridge I was praying to god for help", he understood the witness and if you can find him he will tell you also.

These things are true my friend and if you don't see god in it I don't know what to say.
 Quoting: Aman


I saw Stephan on an exit by the same highway as I was going to work. When I got to work the Holy Spirit said to me, "go back to that man, he needs help getting to California". I got on the web and purchased a ticke to Sacramento, ca and drove back to where he was,

He got in and I took him home.

He was sick and hitching a ride from Ohio to California, he said San Francisco I think. I told him I had purchased a ticket to Sacramento and the flight was the next day, he said, "actually, Sacramento is better."

He stayed the night and the next day we drove to the airport and saw him off.

If you don't see that there is a god, that his name is Jesus, and that he is in those who are his children, then I don't know what else to say.

These things are true and if you can find him he will tell you also.

As for the voice I hear, you decide.
 Quoting: Aman


Look, I believe we are spiritual entities and can tap into spiritual things. All your story validates is that something spiritual happened. It does NOT however prove that Yahweh is the true god and Jesus is his son sent to die on a cross for the sins of mankind. It also does not prove the bible to be true.

You take these things as confirmation of your faith, but you must admit that there can be other mechanisms in play that allowed what you describe to happen.
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Yeah, the whole hearing voices thing had to be coming.

I am not trying to prove anything to you, I answered your question which I assume was specifically meant to get me to talk of him speaking to me.

Nevertheless, i answered you faithfully and in truth knowing where you would take it.

I am no martyr, I have told you the truth of my life, that is all.

And that whole killer thing you posit, yeah, that is a dead horse too; heard that for years also.
 Quoting: Aman


I believe his name was Gerald Rowe. He was sitting on a bridge on the highway as I passed. The Holy Spirit said to me, "take the next exit," I did and the same spirit said to go to a certain parking lot and space, I did. In a few short minutes I saw the man from the bridge walking down the hill, across the street, and directly by my open window.

I said, "do you need help"

He did and got in my car with my daughter and myself. I asked if he was hungry which he was so I drove next door to Perkins and bought him a meal, my daughter and I ate nothing because we didnt have much money.

I heard his story, being ditched 300 miles from home by friends and was despondent, desperate,

After leaving Perkins we went to the greyhound station to see about getting him home and there was a bus leaving in an hour, the only one for the week; bought the ticket and a pack of smokes for him. We had 13 cents left of the money I had.

Before he left he said, " I don't know what just happened but when I was sitting on that bridge I was praying to god for help", he understood the witness and if you can find him he will tell you also.

These things are true my friend and if you don't see god in it I don't know what to say.
 Quoting: Aman


I saw Stephan on an exit by the same highway as I was going to work. When I got to work the Holy Spirit said to me, "go back to that man, he needs help getting to California". I got on the web and purchased a ticke to Sacramento, ca and drove back to where he was,

He got in and I took him home.

He was sick and hitching a ride from Ohio to California, he said San Francisco I think. I told him I had purchased a ticket to Sacramento and the flight was the next day, he said, "actually, Sacramento is better."

He stayed the night and the next day we drove to the airport and saw him off.

If you don't see that there is a god, that his name is Jesus, and that he is in those who are his children, then I don't know what else to say.

These things are true and if you can find him he will tell you also.

As for the voice I hear, you decide.
 Quoting: Aman


Look, I believe we are spiritual entities and can tap into spiritual things. All your story validates is that something spiritual happened. It does NOT however prove that Yahweh is the true god and Jesus is his son sent to die on a cross for the sins of mankind. It also does not prove the bible to be true.

You take these things as confirmation of your faith, but you must admit that there can be other mechanisms in play that allowed what you describe to happen.
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Yeah, the whole hearing voices thing had to be coming.

I am not trying to prove anything to you, I answered your question which I assume was specifically meant to get me to talk of him speaking to me.

Nevertheless, i answered you faithfully and in truth knowing where you would take it.

I am no martyr, I have told you the truth of my life, that is all.

And that whole killer thing you posit, yeah, that is a dead horse too; heard that for years also.
 Quoting: Aman


I believe his name was Gerald Rowe. He was sitting on a bridge on the highway as I passed. The Holy Spirit said to me, "take the next exit," I did and the same spirit said to go to a certain parking lot and space, I did. In a few short minutes I saw the man from the bridge walking down the hill, across the street, and directly by my open window.

I said, "do you need help"

He did and got in my car with my daughter and myself. I asked if he was hungry which he was so I drove next door to Perkins and bought him a meal, my daughter and I ate nothing because we didnt have much money.

I heard his story, being ditched 300 miles from home by friends and was despondent, desperate,

After leaving Perkins we went to the greyhound station to see about getting him home and there was a bus leaving in an hour, the only one for the week; bought the ticket and a pack of smokes for him. We had 13 cents left of the money I had.

Before he left he said, " I don't know what just happened but when I was sitting on that bridge I was praying to god for help", he understood the witness and if you can find him he will tell you also.

These things are true my friend and if you don't see god in it I don't know what to say.
 Quoting: Aman


I saw Stephan on an exit by the same highway as I was going to work. When I got to work the Holy Spirit said to me, "go back to that man, he needs help getting to California". I got on the web and purchased a ticke to Sacramento, ca and drove back to where he was,

He got in and I took him home.

He was sick and hitching a ride from Ohio to California, he said San Francisco I think. I told him I had purchased a ticket to Sacramento and the flight was the next day, he said, "actually, Sacramento is better."

He stayed the night and the next day we drove to the airport and saw him off.

If you don't see that there is a god, that his name is Jesus, and that he is in those who are his children, then I don't know what else to say.

These things are true and if you can find him he will tell you also.

As for the voice I hear, you decide.
 Quoting: Aman


Look, I believe we are spiritual entities and can tap into spiritual things. All your story validates is that something spiritual happened. It does NOT however prove that Yahweh is the true god and Jesus is his son sent to die on a cross for the sins of mankind. It also does not prove the bible to be true.

You take these things as confirmation of your faith, but you must admit that there can be other mechanisms in play that allowed what you describe to happen.
 Quoting: Capt. Ivan Danko


I know Jesus but I know not the other you have mentioned here... Nor have I mentioned it.

Fact is you can come up with any reasoning to make the witness I have put here something mundane but the truth is, you cannot change the truth of it or the witness.

What things I put here may fall on your deaf ears but perhaps another will hear and believe... Who knows?
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There's no proof that you are not the intestinal squeezings of a diseased yak, but I'll bet you would deny such a claim. Do you have evidence that you are NOT the intestinal squeezings of a diseased yak?
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There's no proof that you are not the intestinal squeezings of a diseased yak, but I'll bet you would deny such a claim. Do you have evidence that you are NOT the intestinal squeezings of a diseased yak?
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Here we go again with expecting evidence of something that is NOT. You can't logically do that. The burden of proof lies upon the person claiming existence. You cannot prove what doesn't exist. You can, however, prove that something DOES exist.

One more time, to show you: "Prove that the flying spaghetti monster DOESN'T exist!" <--- stupid and illogical
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I believe his name was Gerald Rowe. He was sitting on a bridge on the highway as I passed. The Holy Spirit said to me, "take the next exit," I did and the same spirit said to go to a certain parking lot and space, I did. In a few short minutes I saw the man from the bridge walking down the hill, across the street, and directly by my open window.

I said, "do you need help"

He did and got in my car with my daughter and myself. I asked if he was hungry which he was so I drove next door to Perkins and bought him a meal, my daughter and I ate nothing because we didnt have much money.

I heard his story, being ditched 300 miles from home by friends and was despondent, desperate,

After leaving Perkins we went to the greyhound station to see about getting him home and there was a bus leaving in an hour, the only one for the week; bought the ticket and a pack of smokes for him. We had 13 cents left of the money I had.

Before he left he said, " I don't know what just happened but when I was sitting on that bridge I was praying to god for help", he understood the witness and if you can find him he will tell you also.

These things are true my friend and if you don't see god in it I don't know what to say.
 Quoting: Aman


I saw Stephan on an exit by the same highway as I was going to work. When I got to work the Holy Spirit said to me, "go back to that man, he needs help getting to California". I got on the web and purchased a ticke to Sacramento, ca and drove back to where he was,

He got in and I took him home.

He was sick and hitching a ride from Ohio to California, he said San Francisco I think. I told him I had purchased a ticket to Sacramento and the flight was the next day, he said, "actually, Sacramento is better."

He stayed the night and the next day we drove to the airport and saw him off.

If you don't see that there is a god, that his name is Jesus, and that he is in those who are his children, then I don't know what else to say.

These things are true and if you can find him he will tell you also.

As for the voice I hear, you decide.
 Quoting: Aman


Look, I believe we are spiritual entities and can tap into spiritual things. All your story validates is that something spiritual happened. It does NOT however prove that Yahweh is the true god and Jesus is his son sent to die on a cross for the sins of mankind. It also does not prove the bible to be true.

You take these things as confirmation of your faith, but you must admit that there can be other mechanisms in play that allowed what you describe to happen.
 Quoting: Capt. Ivan Danko


I know Jesus but I know not the other you have mentioned here... Nor have I mentioned it.

Fact is you can come up with any reasoning to make the witness I have put here something mundane but the truth is, you cannot change the truth of it or the witness.

What things I put here may fall on your deaf ears but perhaps another will hear and believe... Who knows?
 Quoting: Aman


I'm not at all trying to make your "witness" mundane. I'm simply saying it doesn't prove the bible true. It's a great story and I can believe it happened without needing the existence of Jesus.
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Look, I believe we are spiritual entities and can tap into spiritual things. All your story validates is that something spiritual happened. It does NOT however prove that Yahweh is the true god and Jesus is his son sent to die on a cross for the sins of mankind. It also does not prove the bible to be true.

You take these things as confirmation of your faith, but you must admit that there can be other mechanisms in play that allowed what you describe to happen.
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THIS ^^^^rockon
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BTW, is there proof that the devil exists?
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There's no proof that you are not the intestinal squeezings of a diseased yak, but I'll bet you would deny such a claim. Do you have evidence that you are NOT the intestinal squeezings of a diseased yak?
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Here we go again with expecting evidence of something that is NOT. You can't logically do that. The burden of proof lies upon the person claiming existence. You cannot prove what doesn't exist. You can, however, prove that something DOES exist.

One more time, to show you: "Prove that the flying spaghetti monster DOESN'T exist!" <--- stupid and illogical
 Quoting: Capt. Ivan Danko


You are stating Jesus does NOT exist, so I'd say you're contradicting yourself. Therefore, your argument is invalid.
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There's no proof that you are not the intestinal squeezings of a diseased yak, but I'll bet you would deny such a claim. Do you have evidence that you are NOT the intestinal squeezings of a diseased yak?
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Here we go again with expecting evidence of something that is NOT. You can't logically do that. The burden of proof lies upon the person claiming existence. You cannot prove what doesn't exist. You can, however, prove that something DOES exist.

One more time, to show you: "Prove that the flying spaghetti monster DOESN'T exist!" <--- stupid and illogical
 Quoting: Capt. Ivan Danko


You are stating Jesus does NOT exist, so I'd say you're contradicting yourself. Therefore, your argument is invalid.
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Until there's proof that he does, he doesn't. No contradictions.

Just like with my spaghetti monster analogy. You can't prove it doesn't exist. You don't need to, however, because no one is claiming that it does.

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This Aman guy is simply making up stories that have zero evidence they occured.

Much like Jesus.

Again, this is not evidence, only conjecture.

And to the idiot posting the numbers of believers by religion, that is not evidence of anything either.

The popularity of something does not not give it validity.

This would be obvious to a 3rd grader.

It would be like saying that Avatar is the best movie ever made because it made the most money or that Thriller by Michael Jackson is the best album of all time because it sold the most copies.

There are no first hand eyewitness accounts of a Jesus, none. All hesrsay accounts in the bible and Hosephus's writings are hearsay and gave been tampered with to add these references.

Why didn't Jesus ever write anything himself? If he was the son of god tgen surely he would be capable of reading and writing?

And that Jesus Christ's Apprentice book smells like bullshit to me. It does not even appear to be real. Why is it not on amazon? Does anyone on here have a copy? If so take pictures of it and upload the images.
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This nonsense that "Jesus never existed" is totally moronic and you would be laughed out of Academia. Just because you read this on some idiots internet website does not make it true.

There is no doubt among Academia that a historical Jesus existed nor is there any doubt his brothers and followers existed and nor is there any doubt that Paul was the enemy of the Jesus movement

I am talking about the existence of the REAL HISTORICAL JESUS and what he REALLY taught and not the plagarized fairy tales pinned on him in the Bible!
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Sorry for the typos but i'm using my phone. I meant Josephus obviously.
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And then there's Socrates. We have no proof he existed, except from the writings of later philosophers (sound familiar?).

"Socrates (pron.: /&#712;s&#594;kr&#601;ti&#720;z/; Greek: &#931;&#969;&#954;&#961;&#940;&#964;&#951;&#962;, Ancient Greek pronunciation: [s&#596;&#720;krát&#603;&#720;s], S&#333;krát&#275;s; c. 469 BC – 399 BC)[1] was a classical Greek Athenian philosopher. Credited as one of the founders of Western philosophy, he is an enigmatic figure known chiefly through the accounts of later classical writers, especially the writings of his students Plato and Xenophon, and the plays of his contemporary Aristophanes"

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And Socrates is FAR from the only historical figure whose existence we have no proof of except through second hand accounts.

But then, that doesn't matter to you, does it? You, like the dozens of other assholes on this site, put up these stupid threads to try to bait people and show us your intellectual "superiority". The truth is you are so filled with self loathing that you strongly protest against the existence of a God to whom you might be answerable for your actions.
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None of academia says Jesus existed outside of biblical schools and scholars and even they admit the case for a historical jesus is sketchy at best.

Stop making shit up.
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Why didn't Jesus ever write anything himself? If he was the son of god tgen surely he would be capable of reading and writing?


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Apparently "god" wants to leave something as important as the eternal destination of your soul up to having "faith" and whether or not you hear voices that may or may not be him. I mean, what kind of "god" would communicate in such a way that could be dismissed as one's own thoughts?
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...But rejecting Jesus Christ as penalty for your sin will send you into an eternal lake of fire. Guarenteed! Weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth, more horrible than you can imagine...
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Never going to happen.
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At least you have a fained hope of your own imagination. And that is as about close to nothing as you can get.
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Socrates is a stupid example and he never claimed to be the son of god according to other writers.

Also his philosophical concepts and ideas never contradicted each other and were not religious at all. Just practical.

Try again.
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Socrates is a stupid example and he never claimed to be the son of god according to other writers.

Also his philosophical concepts and ideas never contradicted each other and were not religious at all. Just practical.

Try again.
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He's only a "stupid" example because you have no counter to it. None of the other idiocy you wrote, such as "he never claimed to be the son of god" or "his philosophical concepts and ideas never contradicted each other", has anything anywhere close to the topic of this thread. The topic is that there is "no evidence" Jesus existed. I know this must be intellectually taxing for you, but do try to keep up.
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And then there's Socrates. We have no proof he existed, except from the writings of later philosophers (sound familiar?).

"Socrates (pron.: /&#712;s&#594;kr&#601;ti&#720;z/; Greek: &#931;&#969;&#954;&#961;&#940;&#964;&#951;&#962;, Ancient Greek pronunciation: [s&#596;&#720;krát&#603;&#720;s], S&#333;krát&#275;s; c. 469 BC – 399 BC)[1] was a classical Greek Athenian philosopher. Credited as one of the founders of Western philosophy, he is an enigmatic figure known chiefly through the accounts of later classical writers, especially the writings of his students Plato and Xenophon, and the plays of his contemporary Aristophanes"

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And Socrates is FAR from the only historical figure whose existence we have no proof of except through second hand accounts.

But then, that doesn't matter to you, does it? You, like the dozens of other assholes on this site, put up these stupid threads to try to bait people and show us your intellectual "superiority". The truth is you are so filled with self loathing that you strongly protest against the existence of a God to whom you might be answerable for your actions.
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So your proof for the existence of Jesus is to point out that there's no proof for the existence of someone else? I'm sure I don't have to point out to you that this doesn't help your case.

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No, using Socrates is a stupid and totally absurd example and you know it is. Saying arrogant and condescending shit like "try to keep up intellectually" indicates how foolish you are.

The burden of proof on jesus existing is because he made extraordinary claims. For these claims to be true they require extraordinary evidence of which there is none. Not even a little.

Try to keep up.
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OP

It's more accurate to say, you personally never came across sufficient evidence for Jesus's existence.

But, there are evidences, and a tremendous amount.
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OP

It's more accurate to say, you personally never came across sufficient evidence for Jesus's existence.

But, there are evidences, and a tremendous amount.
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Evidence shouldn't need be personal. Show us AC. Where is it? Evidence should be view-able by all.
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No, using Socrates is a stupid and totally absurd example and you know it is. Saying arrogant and condescending shit like "try to keep up intellectually" indicates how foolish you are.

The burden of proof on jesus existing is because he made extraordinary claims. For these claims to be true they require extraordinary evidence of which there is none. Not even a little.

Try to keep up.
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Because he made "extraordinary claims"? Lots of people make "extraordinary claims." Does it mean they don't exist? LOL. And you call me foolish??
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the talmud immanuel.
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And then there's Socrates. We have no proof he existed, except from the writings of later philosophers (sound familiar?).

"Socrates (pron.: /&#712;s&#594;kr&#601;ti&#720;z/; Greek: &#931;&#969;&#954;&#961;&#940;&#964;&#951;&#962;, Ancient Greek pronunciation: [s&#596;&#720;krát&#603;&#720;s], S&#333;krát&#275;s; c. 469 BC – 399 BC)[1] was a classical Greek Athenian philosopher. Credited as one of the founders of Western philosophy, he is an enigmatic figure known chiefly through the accounts of later classical writers, especially the writings of his students Plato and Xenophon, and the plays of his contemporary Aristophanes"

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

And Socrates is FAR from the only historical figure whose existence we have no proof of except through second hand accounts.

But then, that doesn't matter to you, does it? You, like the dozens of other assholes on this site, put up these stupid threads to try to bait people and show us your intellectual "superiority". The truth is you are so filled with self loathing that you strongly protest against the existence of a God to whom you might be answerable for your actions.
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So your proof for the existence of Jesus is to point out that there's no proof for the existence of someone else? I'm sure I don't have to point out to you that this doesn't help your case.
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You missed the point, or you (more likely) ignored it. I wasn't submitting evidence. I pointed out that we have no "evidence" of Socrates' existence except through the writings of others, much like Jesus.
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And then there's Socrates. We have no proof he existed, except from the writings of later philosophers (sound familiar?).

"Socrates (pron.: /&#712;s&#594;kr&#601;ti&#720;z/; Greek: &#931;&#969;&#954;&#961;&#940;&#964;&#951;&#962;, Ancient Greek pronunciation: [s&#596;&#720;krát&#603;&#720;s], S&#333;krát&#275;s; c. 469 BC – 399 BC)[1] was a classical Greek Athenian philosopher. Credited as one of the founders of Western philosophy, he is an enigmatic figure known chiefly through the accounts of later classical writers, especially the writings of his students Plato and Xenophon, and the plays of his contemporary Aristophanes"

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And Socrates is FAR from the only historical figure whose existence we have no proof of except through second hand accounts.

But then, that doesn't matter to you, does it? You, like the dozens of other assholes on this site, put up these stupid threads to try to bait people and show us your intellectual "superiority". The truth is you are so filled with self loathing that you strongly protest against the existence of a God to whom you might be answerable for your actions.
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So your proof for the existence of Jesus is to point out that there's no proof for the existence of someone else? I'm sure I don't have to point out to you that this doesn't help your case.
 Quoting: Capt. Ivan Danko


You missed the point, or you (more likely) ignored it. I wasn't submitting evidence. I pointed out that we have no "evidence" of Socrates' existence except through the writings of others, much like Jesus.
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Unfortunately for you, no one in this thread is asking for evidence of Socrates. That would make a good topic for another thread if you want to start one. We're asking for evidence that Jesus existed. You provided none. You only pointed to another case where evidence is lacking.
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And then there's Socrates. We have no proof he existed, except from the writings of later philosophers (sound familiar?).

"Socrates (pron.: /&#712;s&#594;kr&#601;ti&#720;z/; Greek: &#931;&#969;&#954;&#961;&#940;&#964;&#951;&#962;, Ancient Greek pronunciation: [s&#596;&#720;krát&#603;&#720;s], S&#333;krát&#275;s; c. 469 BC – 399 BC)[1] was a classical Greek Athenian philosopher. Credited as one of the founders of Western philosophy, he is an enigmatic figure known chiefly through the accounts of later classical writers, especially the writings of his students Plato and Xenophon, and the plays of his contemporary Aristophanes"

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

And Socrates is FAR from the only historical figure whose existence we have no proof of except through second hand accounts.

But then, that doesn't matter to you, does it? You, like the dozens of other assholes on this site, put up these stupid threads to try to bait people and show us your intellectual "superiority". The truth is you are so filled with self loathing that you strongly protest against the existence of a God to whom you might be answerable for your actions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25989455


So your proof for the existence of Jesus is to point out that there's no proof for the existence of someone else? I'm sure I don't have to point out to you that this doesn't help your case.
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You missed the point, or you (more likely) ignored it. I wasn't submitting evidence. I pointed out that we have no "evidence" of Socrates' existence except through the writings of others, much like Jesus.
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Unfortunately for you, no one in this thread is asking for evidence of Socrates. That would make a good topic for another thread if you want to start one. We're asking for evidence that Jesus existed. You provided none. You only pointed to another case where evidence is lacking.
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Well there you have it. Since you (and the other baiting assholes) never post threads about the existence of Socrates, you can only be doing this to try to discredit and mock Christianity. One can only conclude that you get your jollies from baiting people, in addition to the other reasons I gave earlier.
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It's more accurate to say, you personally never came across sufficient evidence for Jesus's existence.

But, there are evidences, and a tremendous amount.
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Evidence shouldn't need be personal. Show us AC. Where is it? Evidence should be view-able by all.
 Quoting: Capt. Ivan Danko


This is only one piece of evidence, of many.

I've studied many OBE, and NDE cases.

Now most will say, these are nothing more than a hallucination, or part of one's imaginations.

There are however some cases, that shows this is false.

For example, here's a real case.

A little girl, was taken out of the body, and to heaven.

Here she encountered many deceased people.

She learned of information, about them, that was impossible to know, and previously unknown.

After the experience, and returning to her body. She shared the information with her family. Her family, then did research, and went through old newspapers and discovered, that what she shared, was true down to the exact details.

One can then conclude, the experience was not imagined.

So, how does this support specifically the Bible?

In this same experience, she also saw the 4 living creatures around God's throne, and too saw Jesus.

You may now state, but she merely imagined this. But again, this is impossible, since in that same experience, she learned of information, that was impossible to know, but then later researched to be true.

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