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There is no proof that Jesus Christ ever existed!

 
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It doesn't matter if Socrates existed or not because his ideas were purely philosophical. There are no claims that he is the son of god or born of a virgin or that he was crucified and came back to life.

The REASON why his existence is questioned is because of these extraordinary claims.

Surely the son of god would have left behind some genuine evidence to support that they existed.

Being written about decades later by anonymous authors is not evidence in any universe.

Socrates on the other hand was a philosopher. You can read anything by Plato and it makes perfect sense to anyone and you don't disagree with it because it is a secular and humanistic view on life.

The Bible is a religious text and makes many absurd claims such as the Adam & Eve story with the unanswerable question: Did they have navels?

How did 2 people clean up literal tons of shit and piss on Noah's Ark? Where did they put all the insects?

The reason proof of Jesus is asked for is because he is the mascot for a book that claims to be the word if god.

Socrates and his writings are the absolute opposite.
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um, it took me thousands of hours to prove that Christ exists and why...

you are on the right track...

keep an open mind!

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So your proof for the existence of Jesus is to point out that there's no proof for the existence of someone else? I'm sure I don't have to point out to you that this doesn't help your case.
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You missed the point, or you (more likely) ignored it. I wasn't submitting evidence. I pointed out that we have no "evidence" of Socrates' existence except through the writings of others, much like Jesus.
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Unfortunately for you, no one in this thread is asking for evidence of Socrates. That would make a good topic for another thread if you want to start one. We're asking for evidence that Jesus existed. You provided none. You only pointed to another case where evidence is lacking.
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Well there you have it. Since you (and the other baiting assholes) never post threads about the existence of Socrates, you can only be doing this to try to discredit and mock Christianity. One can only conclude that you get your jollies from baiting people, in addition to the other reasons I gave earlier.
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Well as soon as I see threads that claim that Socrates said he's the son of God and I'll go to Hell if I don't accept him as my savior, I'll mock and discredit them as well. Are you done with your straw man tactics yet?
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It's more accurate to say, you personally never came across sufficient evidence for Jesus's existence.

But, there are evidences, and a tremendous amount.
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Evidence shouldn't need be personal. Show us AC. Where is it? Evidence should be view-able by all.
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This is only one piece of evidence, of many.

I've studied many OBE, and NDE cases.

Now most will say, these are nothing more than a hallucination, or part of one's imaginations.

There are however some cases, that shows this is false.

For example, here's a real case.

A little girl, was taken out of the body, and to heaven.

Here she encountered many deceased people.

She learned of information, about them, that was impossible to know, and previously unknown.

After the experience, and returning to her body. She shared the information with her family. Her family, then did research, and went through old newspapers and discovered, that what she shared, was true down to the exact details.

One can then conclude, the experience was not imagined.

So, how does this support specifically the Bible?

In this same experience, she also saw the 4 living creatures around God's throne, and too saw Jesus.

You may now state, but she merely imagined this. But again, this is impossible, since in that same experience, she learned of information, that was impossible to know, but then later researched to be true.
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There's two other similar cases to this. Now these two people, also, came across information about the deceased that was impossible to know.

Both saw Jesus.

Both saw him having the exact same eye color.

Of all the countless paintings and depictions, both stated, only one painting looks like him.

Both stated, it was the exact same painting.

The painting, was done by an 8 year old girl, that claimed to have visions of heaven and Jesus.

In addition, multiple accounts, all stated the exact same key feature of Jesus, he has blue eyes.

This is contrary to many depictions of him, with brown eyes.
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NDE claims are not evidence and that one painter girl is a fraud.
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I don't blame you for doubting, btw...

you gotta go through the whole et/ufo abduction research, paranormal, NDEs, OBEs, histories of famous peeps, history of the bible, testimonies of former satanists, luciferians, evolutionists, how and why America is the new Atlantis, etc...

you can't prove He existed with one text, IMO... unless you choose faith... not personally very good at that...

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It's more accurate to say, you personally never came across sufficient evidence for Jesus's existence.

But, there are evidences, and a tremendous amount.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31324993


Evidence shouldn't need be personal. Show us AC. Where is it? Evidence should be view-able by all.
 Quoting: Capt. Ivan Danko


This is only one piece of evidence, of many.

I've studied many OBE, and NDE cases.

Now most will say, these are nothing more than a hallucination, or part of one's imaginations.

There are however some cases, that shows this is false.

For example, here's a real case.

A little girl, was taken out of the body, and to heaven.

Here she encountered many deceased people.

She learned of information, about them, that was impossible to know, and previously unknown.

After the experience, and returning to her body. She shared the information with her family. Her family, then did research, and went through old newspapers and discovered, that what she shared, was true down to the exact details.

One can then conclude, the experience was not imagined.

So, how does this support specifically the Bible?

In this same experience, she also saw the 4 living creatures around God's throne, and too saw Jesus.

You may now state, but she merely imagined this. But again, this is impossible, since in that same experience, she learned of information, that was impossible to know, but then later researched to be true.
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How does she know the entities she saw were God and Jesus? Did they introduce themselves? Or did she interpret what she saw and ASSUME who they were?
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So keep believing fairytales if it makes you feel better, but sometimes the truth hurts.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Jesus Christ ever existed, and if you think the Bible is evidence, then you should get your head checked.
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There is documented history. Just as Christopher Columbus is documented history.
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So keep believing fairytales if it makes you feel better, but sometimes the truth hurts.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Jesus Christ ever existed, and if you think the Bible is evidence, then you should get your head checked.
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There is documented history. Just as Christopher Columbus is documented history.
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for example, once you say "read the bible" you need to decide if that book has been tampered with... in what ways has history been manipulated, etc... just proving out what shamanism really is and why the supernatural is real and influencing events here can take a long time...

Jim Vieira's youtube on giant civilization covered up by smithsonian, foot prints of men with dinosaurs in texas, viable blood cells from t-rex... all suggest what we have been told is false...

all the institutions are corrupted to varying degrees... it is like sniping from 2 miles out... the variables become huge...

requires a lot of focus and doggedly looking under all the rocks...

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In addition a man did research about the location of Sodom Gommorah, and the original location of Mt. Zion.

He not only found evidence of the location, but evidence of the supernatural that occurred here, as described in the Bible.

When he found Sodom and Gommorah, he found millions of sulphur / brimstones, that littlered the area.

These were taken to be examined at a lab. It was discovered, these brimstones, don't occur anywhere naturally, on this Earth, or even volcanoes. Nor are they pieces of a comet.

The Bible states, these two cities, were destroyed by brimstones, from God.

Also, at Mt. Zion, the Bible stated, God descended on the mountain, which produced smoke and fire. At Mt. Zion, we see, a huge black mark, that covers the entire top of the mountain.

At Mt. Zion, we also see a large boulder that's been split, almost cleanly in half, from the top down. At the bottom of the boulder, you see sediments, that's been created by water that flowed from the boulder. In the Bible, at Mt. Zion, the Biblep stated God told Moses to strike a boulder, which split in half, and from it, came water.

At Mt. Zion, there's also an alter, with egyptian hieroglyphics of hathor, a cow god in Egypt. The Israelites had justed escaped Egypt, as stated in the Bible. Here, the Bible, stated, they created an alter to a calf / cow.

The Bible stated, before they came to Mt. Zion, they crossed the river, which God had parted, and they were then followed by the Egyptians in chariots. In the sea, they discovered not only chariot wheels, but also the hooves of horses.

At the same location, a pillar was erected, which gave praised to God, in ancient Hebrew.

At Mt. Zion, they found 12 wells. The Bible also specifically mentions, that there were 12 wells, at Mt. Zion.

There's much more.
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OP

It's more accurate to say, you personally never came across sufficient evidence for Jesus's existence.

But, there are evidences, and a tremendous amount.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31324993


Evidence shouldn't need be personal. Show us AC. Where is it? Evidence should be view-able by all.
 Quoting: Capt. Ivan Danko


This is only one piece of evidence, of many.

I've studied many OBE, and NDE cases.

Now most will say, these are nothing more than a hallucination, or part of one's imaginations.

There are however some cases, that shows this is false.

For example, here's a real case.

A little girl, was taken out of the body, and to heaven.

Here she encountered many deceased people.

She learned of information, about them, that was impossible to know, and previously unknown.

After the experience, and returning to her body. She shared the information with her family. Her family, then did research, and went through old newspapers and discovered, that what she shared, was true down to the exact details.

One can then conclude, the experience was not imagined.

So, how does this support specifically the Bible?

In this same experience, she also saw the 4 living creatures around God's throne, and too saw Jesus.

You may now state, but she merely imagined this. But again, this is impossible, since in that same experience, she learned of information, that was impossible to know, but then later researched to be true.
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There's two other similar cases to this. Now these two people, also, came across information about the deceased that was impossible to know.

Both saw Jesus.

Both saw him having the exact same eye color.

Of all the countless paintings and depictions, both stated, only one painting looks like him.

Both stated, it was the exact same painting.

The painting, was done by an 8 year old girl, that claimed to have visions of heaven and Jesus.

In addition, multiple accounts, all stated the exact same key feature of Jesus, he has blue eyes.

This is contrary to many depictions of him, with brown eyes.
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Now with these two people, they also saw the crucifixion wounds of Jesus.
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In addition a man did research about the location of Sodom Gommorah, and the original location of Mt. Zion.

He not only found evidence of the location, but evidence of the supernatural that occurred here, as described in the Bible.

When he found Sodom and Gommorah, he found millions of sulphur / brimstones, that littlered the area.

These were taken to be examined at a lab. It was discovered, these brimstones, don't occur anywhere naturally, on this Earth, or even volcanoes. Nor are they pieces of a comet.

The Bible states, these two cities, were destroyed by brimstones, from God.

Also, at Mt. Zion, the Bible stated, God descended on the mountain, which produced smoke and fire. At Mt. Zion, we see, a huge black mark, that covers the entire top of the mountain.

At Mt. Zion, we also see a large boulder that's been split, almost cleanly in half, from the top down. At the bottom of the boulder, you see sediments, that's been created by water that flowed from the boulder. In the Bible, at Mt. Zion, the Biblep stated God told Moses to strike a boulder, which split in half, and from it, came water.

At Mt. Zion, there's also an alter, with egyptian hieroglyphics of hathor, a cow god in Egypt. The Israelites had justed escaped Egypt, as stated in the Bible. Here, the Bible, stated, they created an alter to a calf / cow.

The Bible stated, before they came to Mt. Zion, they crossed the river, which God had parted, and they were then followed by the Egyptians in chariots. In the sea, they discovered not only chariot wheels, but also the hooves of horses.

At the same location, a pillar was erected, which gave praised to God, in ancient Hebrew.

At Mt. Zion, they found 12 wells. The Bible also specifically mentions, that there were 12 wells, at Mt. Zion.

There's much more.
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And this proves Jesus existence... how?
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the nice thing is once you start to see how the game is played with deception and straw men and circular logics, it becomes pretty easy to see through the deception...

this is because the supernatural have to work through us and our free will and it is sloppy, probably by design, so that if we want to know we can find out... this is a spiritual law... the truth must be put out, so we are allowed to free will our own enslavement...

we have built all the systems enslaving us... HAARP, Star Wars, drones all the technocratic slave system is our free will choice manipulated into existence by the supernatural... this is easily provable...

everyone from Tesla to Descartes to Hannibal were getting "help" from the supernatural... even Hitler was in the Thule Society--totally occult...

john dee, etc...

this is just part of the game you have to understand to prove out Christ and why it was important that he came...

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In addition a man did research about the location of Sodom Gommorah, and the original location of Mt. Zion.

He not only found evidence of the location, but evidence of the supernatural that occurred here, as described in the Bible.

When he found Sodom and Gommorah, he found millions of sulphur / brimstones, that littlered the area.

These were taken to be examined at a lab. It was discovered, these brimstones, don't occur anywhere naturally, on this Earth, or even volcanoes. Nor are they pieces of a comet.

The Bible states, these two cities, were destroyed by brimstones, from God.

Also, at Mt. Zion, the Bible stated, God descended on the mountain, which produced smoke and fire. At Mt. Zion, we see, a huge black mark, that covers the entire top of the mountain.

At Mt. Zion, we also see a large boulder that's been split, almost cleanly in half, from the top down. At the bottom of the boulder, you see sediments, that's been created by water that flowed from the boulder. In the Bible, at Mt. Zion, the Biblep stated God told Moses to strike a boulder, which split in half, and from it, came water.

At Mt. Zion, there's also an alter, with egyptian hieroglyphics of hathor, a cow god in Egypt. The Israelites had justed escaped Egypt, as stated in the Bible. Here, the Bible, stated, they created an alter to a calf / cow.

The Bible stated, before they came to Mt. Zion, they crossed the river, which God had parted, and they were then followed by the Egyptians in chariots. In the sea, they discovered not only chariot wheels, but also the hooves of horses.

At the same location, a pillar was erected, which gave praised to God, in ancient Hebrew.

At Mt. Zion, they found 12 wells. The Bible also specifically mentions, that there were 12 wells, at Mt. Zion.

There's much more.
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And this proves Jesus existence... how?
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well, anything that proves out the bible seems to point towards Christ!

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...all this because one girl lied about being a virgin.
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In addition a man did research about the location of Sodom Gommorah, and the original location of Mt. Zion.

He not only found evidence of the location, but evidence of the supernatural that occurred here, as described in the Bible.

When he found Sodom and Gommorah, he found millions of sulphur / brimstones, that littlered the area.

These were taken to be examined at a lab. It was discovered, these brimstones, don't occur anywhere naturally, on this Earth, or even volcanoes. Nor are they pieces of a comet.

The Bible states, these two cities, were destroyed by brimstones, from God.

Also, at Mt. Zion, the Bible stated, God descended on the mountain, which produced smoke and fire. At Mt. Zion, we see, a huge black mark, that covers the entire top of the mountain.

At Mt. Zion, we also see a large boulder that's been split, almost cleanly in half, from the top down. At the bottom of the boulder, you see sediments, that's been created by water that flowed from the boulder. In the Bible, at Mt. Zion, the Biblep stated God told Moses to strike a boulder, which split in half, and from it, came water.

At Mt. Zion, there's also an alter, with egyptian hieroglyphics of hathor, a cow god in Egypt. The Israelites had justed escaped Egypt, as stated in the Bible. Here, the Bible, stated, they created an alter to a calf / cow.

The Bible stated, before they came to Mt. Zion, they crossed the river, which God had parted, and they were then followed by the Egyptians in chariots. In the sea, they discovered not only chariot wheels, but also the hooves of horses.

At the same location, a pillar was erected, which gave praised to God, in ancient Hebrew.

At Mt. Zion, they found 12 wells. The Bible also specifically mentions, that there were 12 wells, at Mt. Zion.

There's much more.
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And this proves Jesus existence... how?
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One must examine all evidences.

This supports, not only the Bible, but the supernatural occurrence as described in the Bible.

This in turn, gives more validity, to the rest of the Bible.

Examine all evidences, both direct and indirect.
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In addition a man did research about the location of Sodom Gommorah, and the original location of Mt. Zion.

He not only found evidence of the location, but evidence of the supernatural that occurred here, as described in the Bible.

When he found Sodom and Gommorah, he found millions of sulphur / brimstones, that littlered the area.

These were taken to be examined at a lab. It was discovered, these brimstones, don't occur anywhere naturally, on this Earth, or even volcanoes. Nor are they pieces of a comet.

The Bible states, these two cities, were destroyed by brimstones, from God.

Also, at Mt. Zion, the Bible stated, God descended on the mountain, which produced smoke and fire. At Mt. Zion, we see, a huge black mark, that covers the entire top of the mountain.

At Mt. Zion, we also see a large boulder that's been split, almost cleanly in half, from the top down. At the bottom of the boulder, you see sediments, that's been created by water that flowed from the boulder. In the Bible, at Mt. Zion, the Biblep stated God told Moses to strike a boulder, which split in half, and from it, came water.

At Mt. Zion, there's also an alter, with egyptian hieroglyphics of hathor, a cow god in Egypt. The Israelites had justed escaped Egypt, as stated in the Bible. Here, the Bible, stated, they created an alter to a calf / cow.

The Bible stated, before they came to Mt. Zion, they crossed the river, which God had parted, and they were then followed by the Egyptians in chariots. In the sea, they discovered not only chariot wheels, but also the hooves of horses.

At the same location, a pillar was erected, which gave praised to God, in ancient Hebrew.

At Mt. Zion, they found 12 wells. The Bible also specifically mentions, that there were 12 wells, at Mt. Zion.

There's much more.
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And this proves Jesus existence... how?
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One must examine all evidences.

This supports, not only the Bible, but the supernatural occurrence as described in the Bible.

This in turn, gives more validity, to the rest of the Bible.

Examine all evidences, both direct and indirect.
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You point out an unrelated story in the bible and say that since science confirms it, the whole rest of the bible must be true. That's nonsense.

I could just as easily point out stories in the bible that make it less valid. A talking snake convinces a girl to eat an apple from a tree and this pisses off a loving merciful forgiving god enough to curse the whole of mankind. Doesn't lend much validity to the bible does it?

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In addition a man did research about the location of Sodom Gommorah, and the original location of Mt. Zion.

He not only found evidence of the location, but evidence of the supernatural that occurred here, as described in the Bible.

When he found Sodom and Gommorah, he found millions of sulphur / brimstones, that littlered the area.

These were taken to be examined at a lab. It was discovered, these brimstones, don't occur anywhere naturally, on this Earth, or even volcanoes. Nor are they pieces of a comet.

The Bible states, these two cities, were destroyed by brimstones, from God.

Also, at Mt. Zion, the Bible stated, God descended on the mountain, which produced smoke and fire. At Mt. Zion, we see, a huge black mark, that covers the entire top of the mountain.

At Mt. Zion, we also see a large boulder that's been split, almost cleanly in half, from the top down. At the bottom of the boulder, you see sediments, that's been created by water that flowed from the boulder. In the Bible, at Mt. Zion, the Biblep stated God told Moses to strike a boulder, which split in half, and from it, came water.

At Mt. Zion, there's also an alter, with egyptian hieroglyphics of hathor, a cow god in Egypt. The Israelites had justed escaped Egypt, as stated in the Bible. Here, the Bible, stated, they created an alter to a calf / cow.

The Bible stated, before they came to Mt. Zion, they crossed the river, which God had parted, and they were then followed by the Egyptians in chariots. In the sea, they discovered not only chariot wheels, but also the hooves of horses.

At the same location, a pillar was erected, which gave praised to God, in ancient Hebrew.

At Mt. Zion, they found 12 wells. The Bible also specifically mentions, that there were 12 wells, at Mt. Zion.

There's much more.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34688874


And this proves Jesus existence... how?
 Quoting: Capt. Ivan Danko


One must examine all evidences.

This supports, not only the Bible, but the supernatural occurrence as described in the Bible.

This in turn, gives more validity, to the rest of the Bible.

Examine all evidences, both direct and indirect.
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You point out an unrelated story in the bible and say that since science confirms it, the whole rest of the bible must be true. That's nonsense.

I could just as easily point out stories in the bible that make it less valid. A talking snake convinces a girl to eat an apple from a tree and this pisses off a loving merciful forgiving god off enough to curse the whole of mankind. Doesn't lend much validity to the bible does it?
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You put words in my mouth.

Evidence, is not proof.

I never stated, since part of something is true, it's 100% proof, the rest is true.

Regarding what's solely in Genesis, there's been people, who not only been taken to heaven, found things, that was impossible to know, but also revealed more information, than what's in the Bible. The extra information, helps to fill some holes. For example, while in heaven, a woman stated, she was shown all lands were once connected. There's of course current evidence to verify this.

Regarding your other points, when one studies demonology, and psychics it seems less crazy. Let me elaborate.

The Bible speaks of demons.

Is there evidence of demons?

Yes

For example, with people are possessed, many believe they are merely suffering from a mental illness.

In many cases, this is probably the case.

However, there are cases, which shows that this is impossible.

To elaborate

Exorcists, perform many tests, to determine if a person is truly possessed.

Here's one test, the exorcist, will speak to a person in a language, that they know the person does not know.

Here's a real example. A priest, will pray over the person in Latin, knowing full well, the person can't speak this language. If it's a true possession, the person will speak back in Latin, and very fluently, and then will began blaspheming God.

Also regarding the animals, I had studied a couple of psychics, who stated, they can communicate with animals.

So to test this, I've seen, incidences, where the intuitive, listens to what the animal stated, about their owner. The information was highly specific, and wasn't previously known to her. The owner verified the information to be true.

I'm aware of cold readings, used by psychics, to 'fish' for information. I didn't' see this being used.
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Didn't know the enemies of Jesus where that dumb back then.

Think about it, on the days that they were wanting to kill Jesus before crucifixion. By stoning or capturing him.


Hey we don't need to stone you. You just simply do not exist.


Think about it. Christianity jump started because the believers at the time were sacrificing there lives for Christ at the time the disciples and were not even fighting back. They would do this unto there deaths.


But something jump started this for who would die for something that they did not witness? Not many in fact that's what they originally did!

After the crucifixion his followers were broken and dead in faith. They hid themselves for fear and shame that there leader was not the Son of God. Because he was humiliated, beaten and killed like just another regular person. Who would believe in someone like that to be the son of God.

So just hiding and wallowing they were in there corners. Possibly wondering why did they follow a fraud.

But them something miraculous occurred to jump start this. To give them all strength and not have fear for the sake of there own lives and putting all there loved ones at risk.

As then it happened and they saw Jesus Christ again and then they knew. He had conquered death and sin. Man had failed in sin and failed in killing Christ. The King of Kings and Lord of Lords was still alive and loved everyone and he proved all that believed in him would have eternity as well. After that glorious day Christianity spread like a single drop of water becoming a vast ocean.

Praise the Lord.....Praise the Lord.
Thank you Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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It's more accurate to say, you personally never came across sufficient evidence for Jesus's existence.

But, there are evidences, and a tremendous amount.
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Evidence shouldn't need be personal. Show us AC. Where is it? Evidence should be view-able by all.
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This is only one piece of evidence, of many.

I've studied many OBE, and NDE cases.

Now most will say, these are nothing more than a hallucination, or part of one's imaginations.

There are however some cases, that shows this is false.

For example, here's a real case.

A little girl, was taken out of the body, and to heaven.

Here she encountered many deceased people.

She learned of information, about them, that was impossible to know, and previously unknown.

After the experience, and returning to her body. She shared the information with her family. Her family, then did research, and went through old newspapers and discovered, that what she shared, was true down to the exact details.

One can then conclude, the experience was not imagined.

So, how does this support specifically the Bible?

In this same experience, she also saw the 4 living creatures around God's throne, and too saw Jesus.

You may now state, but she merely imagined this. But again, this is impossible, since in that same experience, she learned of information, that was impossible to know, but then later researched to be true.
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How does she know the entities she saw were God and Jesus? Did they introduce themselves? Or did she interpret what she saw and ASSUME who they were?
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Good question.

She didn't assume who they were. The angels, told her, who he was.

Now, here's more about the case.

The little girl was falling from a 9 foot slide. While she fell, she immediately began to slowly began floating downwards.

Her grandfather, an engineer saw this. He stated, this was impossible, and had no explanation for this. When asked what had occurred, she told him, that angels had caught her. She described them with robes, and having wings.

Also again, she described seeing the 4 living creatures around God's throne. The book of Ezekiel, specifically mentions, the 4 living creatures around God's throne. She also stated, they had many faces on their faces. The Bible specifically mentions these living creatures, each have 4 faces.

Again, she found out information, that she didn't previously know about the deceased people she saw. The information was then researched by her family to be true, which further shows the experience was not imagined.

This also isn't an isolated case. There's other cases like this.
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Pet psychics and animal whisperers are all frauds.

There has never been a case of a legitimate possession or exorcism in history.

Stop using pseudoscientific examples as evidence.

Your shaken spear thread sucks too and is laughable and is not evidence of anything.
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Pet psychics and animal whisperers are all frauds.

There has never been a case of a legitimate possession or exorcism in history.

Stop using pseudoscientific examples as evidence.

Your shaken spear thread sucks too and is laughable and is not evidence of anything.
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Yes there have been legitimate cases.

I never created a shaken spear thread.
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And why would I care what the descendant of prisoners thinks?
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Let me ask, if there's no proof that Jesus existed, is there any proof that life came from lifeless matter?
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No there have not.

All have been debunked along with any stigmata claims.

Instead of telling stories and claims provide links and I will show you that they are all bs and have been debunked.
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No there have not.

All have been debunked along with any stigmata claims.

Instead of telling stories and claims provide links and I will show you that they are all bs and have been debunked.
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Show me proof, where it's been debunked. For example, in the case of an exorcist using an unknown language to the possessed.
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So keep believing fairytales if it makes you feel better, but sometimes the truth hurts.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Jesus Christ ever existed, and if you think the Bible is evidence, then you should get your head checked.
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There's no evidence that you have a set of balls either...
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Let me ask, if there's no proof that Jesus existed, is there any proof that life came from lifeless matter?
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Straw man. No one here is making that claim. And, off-topic.
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So keep believing fairytales if it makes you feel better, but sometimes the truth hurts.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Jesus Christ ever existed, and if you think the Bible is evidence, then you should get your head checked.
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There's no evidence that you have a set of balls either...
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^^Sadly, this is how many Christians defend their faith.
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