There is no proof that Jesus Christ ever existed! | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6722189 United Kingdom 02/18/2013 02:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is interesting. [link to bede.org.uk] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34688874 United States 02/18/2013 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are the only one making lies and claims you cannot back up. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12131405 You keep mentioning a vague example of an exorcism where a priest spoke in a language the possessed did not know but responded to. You have yet to provide a SPECIFIC example of what particular case you are referencing. All previous ones HAVE been debunked as hoaxes. You are mentioning an unknown one that you claim is legit. Provide a link to this if it is evidence. If you can't then you are just lying. Well, here's one case I mentioned. It's not in a link, it's a book, regarding the girl, falling from a slide. The book is '6 big angels' by Pennington Regarding the exorcist case, it's mentioned in an exorcist documentary by Flood cellar productions. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22439663 United States 02/18/2013 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All accounts of Jesus are hearsay. I do probably believe there was a man named Jesus and he probably was an eccentric preacher but to say he was divine and the son of god is just absurd. Quoting: LSDreamer Gee... Who should I believe in? All the prophets of God, the Disciples, The Apostles, and Jesus the Christ... Or... Some clueless, ignorant, internet clown, who keeps spamming the board everyday with his obsessive compulsive, demonically inspired, antichrist garbage. Gawrsh... Let me think about that, and get back to you. That means you're on here everyday to read it. You go ahead and believe it kiddo, I'm not stopping you. You go right ahead and disbelieve. Doesn't effect my own future one iota. My only job is to blow a trumpet, ad bear witness. After that, no blood on my hands. I'll just shake the dust from my feet as a witness against you, as the Master instructed. Have a day. Actually, if you believe and confess Jesus as your Savior then that is not your only job. Your real job is to be a witness with the fruits of your labor. People should be able to know who you are without you having to tell people. Followers of Jesus are to set examples that others want to follow. Just talk will never cut it, and that's straight from what he preached. To bad there are so many lukewarm Christians, the world could be such a much better place 2000 years later. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12131405 United States 02/18/2013 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That 6 Big Big Angels book is just more bullshit. Where is a report or photographs or a news article or a news report of what occured? The only record of the absurd claims are in the book and they are selling it for profit and obviously the girl can't write a book so it then brings up the need for a ghostwriter and then the grandparents dictating most of it. Not evidence. What is the name of the exorcism documentary? Why are you always so vague in your responses when I ask for specifics? Saying the name of a production company is useless. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34688874 United States 02/18/2013 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That 6 Big Big Angels book is just more bullshit. Where is a report or photographs or a news article or a news report of what occured? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12131405 The only record of the absurd claims are in the book and they are selling it for profit and obviously the girl can't write a book so it then brings up the need for a ghostwriter and then the grandparents dictating most of it. Not evidence. What is the name of the exorcism documentary? Why are you always so vague in your responses when I ask for specifics? Saying the name of a production company is useless. If this was an isolated case, regarding the girl, I would be more skeptical, but there's multiple cases, detailing much of the exact same thing. So although it's not proof, it's evidence. And you have no proof to debunk the case. It's not vague, it's the only exorcist documentary by the production company. If you did a simple google search you would find it. Since that's too much work for you, here's a direct link: [link to www.amazon.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4419443 United States 02/18/2013 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That 6 Big Big Angels book is just more bullshit. Where is a report or photographs or a news article or a news report of what occured? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12131405 The only record of the absurd claims are in the book and they are selling it for profit and obviously the girl can't write a book so it then brings up the need for a ghostwriter and then the grandparents dictating most of it. Not evidence. What is the name of the exorcism documentary? Why are you always so vague in your responses when I ask for specifics? Saying the name of a production company is useless. I think from here on out we're just going to get more anecdotes that are the equivalent of "My uncle said..." posts here on GLP as far as credibility goes. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34688874 United States 02/18/2013 02:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That 6 Big Big Angels book is just more bullshit. Where is a report or photographs or a news article or a news report of what occured? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12131405 The only record of the absurd claims are in the book and they are selling it for profit and obviously the girl can't write a book so it then brings up the need for a ghostwriter and then the grandparents dictating most of it. Not evidence. What is the name of the exorcism documentary? Why are you always so vague in your responses when I ask for specifics? Saying the name of a production company is useless. I think from here on out we're just going to get more anecdotes that are the equivalent of "My uncle said..." posts here on GLP as far as credibility goes. Well, regarding the evidence of Mt. Zion, and the split boulder, there's a video documentary, where you can see it for yourself. In addition, there's other people, who also show footage of this exact same thing. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12131405 United States 02/18/2013 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evidence and proof are the same thing genius. The 6 big angels book is neither. That documentary looks ridiculous as well. If they only made that one then it is most likely actors being used. Did you even see the "documentary"? A filmed production can call itself a documentary even if it is not. Look at Catfish and Capturing the Friedmans for examples of this. @Ivan Danko, yeah they got nothin! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 34688874 United States 02/18/2013 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evidence and proof are the same thing genius. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12131405 The 6 big angels book is neither. That documentary looks ridiculous as well. If they only made that one then it is most likely actors being used. Did you even see the "documentary"? A filmed production can call itself a documentary even if it is not. Look at Catfish and Capturing the Friedmans for examples of this. @Ivan Danko, yeah they got nothin! Still waiting for your 'proof' to debunk these cases. Using your logic, one can state, all cases in books are essentially frauds, since the author solely is doing it for money. |
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LSDreamer User ID: 14896274 Australia 02/18/2013 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Go visit a hospital of children dying of cancer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32538141 They will give you a better perspective of life, death and their hope.. You would actually use dying children as a propaganda tool for your faith? Go figure. Unless of course, I have just misread what you wrote. Last Edited by LSDreamer on 02/18/2013 03:09 PM Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it. ~ Christopher Hitchens. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34688874 United States 02/18/2013 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evidence and proof are the same thing genius. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12131405 The 6 big angels book is neither. That documentary looks ridiculous as well. If they only made that one then it is most likely actors being used. Did you even see the "documentary"? A filmed production can call itself a documentary even if it is not. Look at Catfish and Capturing the Friedmans for examples of this. @Ivan Danko, yeah they got nothin! Still waiting for your 'proof' to debunk these cases. Using your logic, one can state, all cases in books are essentially frauds, since the author solely is doing it for money. Also evidence is not the same as proof. Evidence, helps indicate if something is true. Although, it doesn't mean, it's true. Proof, on the other hand, shows that something is true. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32538141 United States 02/18/2013 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Go visit a hospital of children dying of cancer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32538141 They will give you a better perspective of life, death and their hope.. You would actually use dying children as a propaganda tool for your faith? Go figure. Unless of course, I have just misread what you wrote. You misread what I wrote. Dying children often have lived an entire life time and are often very mature for their age. THey have often died and been brought back trough technology and have a real mature perspective on death , living and the process of dying and what awaits them on the other side that adults some will never have. I know ; I was an RN for many years and have encountered many young children dying way before their time .... but having a deep sense of knowledge of what is waiting for them |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12131405 United States 02/18/2013 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stupid books with parents or grandparents claiming their kid saw Jeebus is not evidence. It's pure conjecture and baseless stories. If this is supposed to be evidence then you must think that being accused of a crime by a random person is enough for you to be convicted and sent to prison when the only "evidence" is someone saying you committed the crime. You would then not defend yourself or refute their claims nor ask for some physical evidence to give a reason for the accusation. Do you see why your logic is flawed? |
Yes I Did !!!! User ID: 34694696 United States 02/18/2013 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to carm.org] I'm assuming you all know who Josephus was, don't you ? Flavius Josephus was a Jewish priest at the time of the Jewish Revolt of A.D. 66 Now... prove that Jesus didn't exist !!!! "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." ~ Albert Einstein |
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stars User ID: 17867407 United States 02/18/2013 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So keep believing fairytales if it makes you feel better, but sometimes the truth hurts. Quoting: WTF_is_a_Moniker There is no evidence whatsoever that Jesus Christ ever existed, and if you think the Bible is evidence, then you should get your head checked. You believe it or not///your choice. I choose to. stars |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 34688874 United States 02/18/2013 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stupid books with parents or grandparents claiming their kid saw Jeebus is not evidence. It's pure conjecture and baseless stories. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12131405 If this is supposed to be evidence then you must think that being accused of a crime by a random person is enough for you to be convicted and sent to prison when the only "evidence" is someone saying you committed the crime. You would then not defend yourself or refute their claims nor ask for some physical evidence to give a reason for the accusation. Do you see why your logic is flawed? As stated, here there's multiple cases, who stated, they saw the exact same thing, as the girl. In addition, there are various other evidences, that further supports what's being seen. If a judge, came across 50 witlessness, who described the rapist in exact detail, would you automatically assume they were all lying? If so, what actual evidence do you have that they're all lying? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 34688874 United States 02/18/2013 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No you moron, proof and evidence are the same fucking thing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12131405 Are you really THAT stupid? grab a dictionairy Evidence - The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. Proof -Evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true |
stars User ID: 17867407 United States 02/18/2013 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i have nothing to do with that or any church... you make assumptions based on your hatred of "christians"... but you do not know me. Quoting: Aman 33575868 I don't hate Christians. I think they are victims. I feel sorry for them as I used to be one. Its unfortunate you didnt learn anything, knowing Jesus then denying him. Say Hello stars |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34230921 United Kingdom 02/18/2013 03:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So keep believing fairytales if it makes you feel better, but sometimes the truth hurts. Quoting: WTF_is_a_Moniker There is no evidence whatsoever that Jesus Christ ever existed, and if you think the Bible is evidence, then you should get your head checked. Simple proof. This year is 2013AD AD - after the death of Jesus Christ. They tried to change it to BCE and CE, Without Jesus we are lost in time. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12131405 United States 02/18/2013 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If a woman is raped and a crowd sees it happen, it is now 50 witnesses but even if this is the case a rape kit and dna evidence is still required in a court of law before they would be convicted. Maybe it was just rough sex, maybe the woman decided to accuse him of rape to be vindictive. There are many variables before there can be a conviction. Cases first have to be PROVEN with EVIDENCE. You say these books are proof, but where is the evidence? One can not rely on testimony alone. |
Aman User ID: 33575868 United States 02/18/2013 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This Aman guy is simply making up stories that have zero evidence they occured. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12131405 Much like Jesus. Again, this is not evidence, only conjecture. And to the idiot posting the numbers of believers by religion, that is not evidence of anything either. The popularity of something does not not give it validity. This would be obvious to a 3rd grader. It would be like saying that Avatar is the best movie ever made because it made the most money or that Thriller by Michael Jackson is the best album of all time because it sold the most copies. There are no first hand eyewitness accounts of a Jesus, none. All hesrsay accounts in the bible and Hosephus's writings are hearsay and gave been tampered with to add these references. Why didn't Jesus ever write anything himself? If he was the son of god tgen surely he would be capable of reading and writing? And that Jesus Christ's Apprentice book smells like bullshit to me. It does not even appear to be real. Why is it not on amazon? Does anyone on here have a copy? If so take pictures of it and upload the images. Actually, I am not. These things I have said are true, they all occurred exactly as written here and elsewhere I have put them. I do not really care if you believe me a liar or not, that is not the point, the intent is that you may hear and have to choose to believe or not, I tried to show the truth of what I believe as an answer to a question asked. To tell the whole world a man is lying without knowing him... who has lost the ability to reason? You do not know me but you say I am lying and making up stories... how sad for you. I will give you another in truth. Cliff was a good friend with whom I spent much time, he is not a believer either, but we were and perhaps are still good friends. He came by one day on a motorcycle and in the course of the conversation from my mouth the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ said,"do not be riding that thing, reach down to adjust the gas, and break your leg." About a month later he called because he was in the hospital with a broken leg. He knows the witness god gave him but what he does with it is up to him. And what you do with these words I have spoken is also up to you, believe me or call me a liar, your choice. Like I said, believing in anything but yourself is near impossible, no? This Aman guy is no liar my friend. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34688874 United States 02/18/2013 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I said if ONE person accused you of a crime in the absence of any other evidence by your logic you would just accept the accusation and agree to go to prison. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12131405 If a woman is raped and a crowd sees it happen, it is now 50 witnesses but even if this is the case a rape kit and dna evidence is still required in a court of law before they would be convicted. Maybe it was just rough sex, maybe the woman decided to accuse him of rape to be vindictive. There are many variables before there can be a conviction. Cases first have to be PROVEN with EVIDENCE. You say these books are proof, but where is the evidence? One can not rely on testimony alone. I said if ONE person accused you of a crime in the absence of any other evidence by your logic you would just accept the accusation and agree to go to prison. This is a false assumption, since you didn't read. I stated, there are many other cases / people, who also saw the exact same thing, as the girl. There's also other evidences, not mere testimonies, that give further evidence, of the validity of the Bible (which I posted, the 4 hour vid). There's even much more evidences, that I haven't yet even mentioned in this thread. Also, you still don't know the difference between evidence and proof. Grab a dictionary and see. Have you not yet graduated from high school? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12131405 United States 02/18/2013 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No one cares about your stories that you make up on the spot Aman I was fucking with you on the evidence/proof thing because you said the books are both 'evidences' and 'proof'. Only when I said they are the same thing did you look it up. Re-read your posts. Again, evidence is collected to prove a case but no case was ever proven based on testimony alone. All these NDE books are is just testimonies of dubious origin with questionable motives and monetary gain being a sole motivator. I'm not watching a 4 hour video in YouTube about Mt. Zion. I don't care about that. The subject of this thread is proving that Jesus existed with evidence. You are getting so far away from that now that it's just silly. 6 Big Big Angels and a exorcism "documentary" and 4 hour YT video about Mt. Zion does not prove that Jesus existed. You know that it doesn't. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34688874 United States 02/18/2013 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No one cares about your stories that you make up on the spot Aman Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12131405 I was fucking with you on the evidence/proof thing because you said the books are both 'evidences' and 'proof'. Only when I said they are the same thing did you look it up. Re-read your posts. Again, evidence is collected to prove a case but no case was ever proven based on testimony alone. All these NDE books are is just testimonies of dubious origin with questionable motives and monetary gain being a sole motivator. I'm not watching a 4 hour video in YouTube about Mt. Zion. I don't care about that. The subject of this thread is proving that Jesus existed with evidence. You are getting so far away from that now that it's just silly. 6 Big Big Angels and a exorcism "documentary" and 4 hour YT video about Mt. Zion does not prove that Jesus existed. You know that it doesn't. 1) I'm not Aman 2) I never stated the books are proof. 3) The Bible speaks of Jesus. So common sense tells you, we should not only for evidence of Jesus, but evidence for the validity of the Bible. 4) I stated, there's more evidences, that I haven't yet shared in this thread. Since, you refuse to even look at the evidences, it's pointless to share more. |