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BREAKING: Colorado passes gun bill - 15 round mag cap!!

 
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Someone please tell me, will they confiscate prior owned 16+ round mags or are they grandfathered in if you already own them?
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Grandfather them in.

[link to www.leg.state.co.us]

"A person may possess a large-capacity magazine if he or she owns the large-capacity magazine on the effective date of the bill and maintains continuous possession of the large-capacity magazine."

So, this law, basically will do nothing. And would soon be overturned as unconstitutional. Not that we would pay attention to it either way. If this law passes I'll just drive up to Wyoming and buy whatever sized mag I want and the cops here would be none the wiser. And yes, I'll be paying cash. Fucking morons.
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wtf
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A bill to limit gun magazines to 15 rounds passed the Colorado House on Monday despite arguments it would force hundreds of manufacturing jobs out of state and not make people any safer. House Bill 1224 passed on a 34-31 vote, with just three Democrats voting against it. It was the first of four gun bills up for a vote Monday.


[link to www.koaa.com]
 Quoting: GreadyGeniu$


so what are the arguments about it costing jobs, how is that possible? that link says nothing about it.
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Magpul is one of the largest manufacturers of magazines in the US and they are based in CO. They have vowed to leave the state if this is passed. [link to www.facebook.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31708378


so they would rather close up shop and forfeit all future profits because one state doesn't want large clips? do they realize they can sell these things outside the state of colorado?
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And they will.. as well as MAKE THEM outside the state of colorado.
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Why is everyone bothered about what the bill (law says). The 2A is very clear so why are you even thinking about conforming with the law , unless you are pathetic slaves with no independent thought
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... because there are plenty of law enforcement and courts made up of pathetic slaves with no independent thought who will do everything incuding putting a bullet thru people's heads in order to enforce these laws ...
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clappa Welcome to Colorado where they shoot dogs and have illegal traffic stops.
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Re: BREAKING: Colorado passes gun bill - 15 round mag cap!!
A bill to limit gun magazines to 15 rounds passed the Colorado House on Monday despite arguments it would force hundreds of manufacturing jobs out of state and not make people any safer. House Bill 1224 passed on a 34-31 vote, with just three Democrats voting against it. It was the first of four gun bills up for a vote Monday.


[link to www.koaa.com]
 Quoting: GreadyGeniu$


so what are the arguments about it costing jobs, how is that possible? that link says nothing about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


Magpul is one of the largest manufacturers of magazines in the US and they are based in CO. They have vowed to leave the state if this is passed. [link to www.facebook.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31708378


so they would rather close up shop and forfeit all future profits because one state doesn't want large clips? do they realize they can sell these things outside the state of colorado?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


This is from the new law being proposed.

"A person who manufactures a large-capacity magazine in Colorado in violation of the new provision commits a class 2 misdemeanor."

So, it would be illegal to make any mag over 15 rounds in the state. Would you limit yourself or move to a magazine size law free state? And it seems pretty obvious to me that the Democrats here in CO do not welcome businesses like this. I'd move too.

Last Edited by Cybermerc on 02/18/2013 05:03 PM
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Re: BREAKING: Colorado passes gun bill - 15 round mag cap!!
Frankly, 15 is enough in most cases. I don't worry about the law limiting me, however, it is unconsitutional.

What part of "...shall not be infringed." do they not understand? Sedition. Treason. Due Process not needed. We know what needs to be done.

Start with the ones that wrote the bill. Deprive them of that which they deem most valuable. They have deprived you of your rights and then deprived you of lawful remedy. Can you imagine what the founders would have done?

What about the supremacy clause? Why is it the same liberals that voted for this shit sandwich are screaming that states can't nullify Obamacare? ...yet, they nullify the 2A at every turn. You can't have it both ways, criminal bastard thieves of liberty!

I think we have a situatuation similar to that of 1775. Oh, no, its not that bad but they know what doing it that way will trigger, so, they just do it in steps but they're doing it just the same.

The bill of rights is non-negotiable. FUCK YOU! WE WILL NOT COMPLY.

May God forgive us for what we must do.
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15 is standard capacity in most handguns, some hold more, some a little less.


30 rounds is standard in an AK or AR15

the law stinks
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Why is everyone bothered about what the bill (law says). The 2A is very clear so why are you even thinking about conforming with the law , unless you are pathetic slaves with no independent thought
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your going to carry an illegal magazine and hope the cops never stop you? Most likely a 10 year prison sentence.
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Yes.. and when they stop you, well you may as well shoot them because they will send you to prison.

i see this as a good thing. They need to know where WE draw the line.

Have a nice day.
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Re: BREAKING: Colorado passes gun bill - 15 round mag cap!!
A bill to limit gun magazines to 15 rounds passed the Colorado House on Monday despite arguments it would force hundreds of manufacturing jobs out of state and not make people any safer. House Bill 1224 passed on a 34-31 vote, with just three Democrats voting against it. It was the first of four gun bills up for a vote Monday.


[link to www.koaa.com]
 Quoting: GreadyGeniu$


so what are the arguments about it costing jobs, how is that possible? that link says nothing about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


Magpul is one of the largest manufacturers of magazines in the US and they are based in CO. They have vowed to leave the state if this is passed. [link to www.facebook.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31708378


so they would rather close up shop and forfeit all future profits because one state doesn't want large clips? do they realize they can sell these things outside the state of colorado?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


I'm sure they are well aware of that, however, we want them to deprive them of all tax money. MOVE OUT! I will no longer buy ANYTHING firearms related that is made in New York, California, Illinois or Colorado. They can kiss my dollars goodbye. Taxes, etc. I'm sure it will take time but the first company that cuts and runs from these anti-Liberty, Commie Bastard states gets my business. A lot of us out here feel the same way.
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Also, watch out - The biggest no-no of all theyre trying to pull is the universal background checks bullshit.

Its really total registration theyre going for with this, because universal background checks cannot be enforced without a total registry.

There is no way to know if someone violated the UBC law with out a registry of firearms to follow the flow of ownership of each firearm, and therefore there is no way to enforce a UBC system without a registration system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34464973

Universal background passed. Some lady said it would keep people from committing suicide. I personally don't understand her logic but she is an elected official so she must be smart.
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so what are the arguments about it costing jobs, how is that possible? that link says nothing about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


Magpul is one of the largest manufacturers of magazines in the US and they are based in CO. They have vowed to leave the state if this is passed. [link to www.facebook.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31708378


so they would rather close up shop and forfeit all future profits because one state doesn't want large clips? do they realize they can sell these things outside the state of colorado?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


This is from the new law being proposed.

"A person who manufactures a large-capacity magazine in Colorado in violation of the new provision commits a class 2 misdemeanor."

So, it would be illegal to make any mag over 15 rounds in the state. Would you limit yourself or move to a magazine size law free state? And it seems pretty obvious to me that the Democrats here in CO do not welcome businesses like this. I'd move too.
 Quoting: Cybermerc


i would keep my operation in colorado operating under state law. if i wanted to keep manufacturing larger clips, i would open another plant elsewhere. that way i would maximize profits, without laying people off and hurting the local economy.
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Magpul is one of the largest manufacturers of magazines in the US and they are based in CO. They have vowed to leave the state if this is passed. [link to www.facebook.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31708378


so they would rather close up shop and forfeit all future profits because one state doesn't want large clips? do they realize they can sell these things outside the state of colorado?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


This is from the new law being proposed.

"A person who manufactures a large-capacity magazine in Colorado in violation of the new provision commits a class 2 misdemeanor."

So, it would be illegal to make any mag over 15 rounds in the state. Would you limit yourself or move to a magazine size law free state? And it seems pretty obvious to me that the Democrats here in CO do not welcome businesses like this. I'd move too.
 Quoting: Cybermerc


i would keep my operation in colorado operating under state law. if i wanted to keep manufacturing larger clips, i would open another plant elsewhere. that way i would maximize profits, without laying people off and hurting the local economy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


1.) Opening ANOTHER manufacturing facility to do the same thing you are already doing is NOT maximizing your profits stupid fucker.. it would be a net loss.

2.) They are not the ones hurting the "economy".. they are the ones HELPING IT.

Stupid fucker.. the ones HURTING it just passed a law making magpul's product illegal there.

Only a stupid fucker could not see the glaringly obvious that was directly in front of them.
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so what are the arguments about it costing jobs, how is that possible? that link says nothing about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


Magpul is one of the largest manufacturers of magazines in the US and they are based in CO. They have vowed to leave the state if this is passed. [link to www.facebook.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31708378


so they would rather close up shop and forfeit all future profits because one state doesn't want large clips? do they realize they can sell these things outside the state of colorado?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


I'm sure they are well aware of that, however, we want them to deprive them of all tax money. MOVE OUT! I will no longer buy ANYTHING firearms related that is made in New York, California, Illinois or Colorado. They can kiss my dollars goodbye. Taxes, etc. I'm sure it will take time but the first company that cuts and runs from these anti-Liberty, Commie Bastard states gets my business. A lot of us out here feel the same way.
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If CO has a 15rd cap.....I imagine NY, NJ, CA, and MA gonna want 1 round magazines....
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so they would rather close up shop and forfeit all future profits because one state doesn't want large clips? do they realize they can sell these things outside the state of colorado?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


This is from the new law being proposed.

"A person who manufactures a large-capacity magazine in Colorado in violation of the new provision commits a class 2 misdemeanor."

So, it would be illegal to make any mag over 15 rounds in the state. Would you limit yourself or move to a magazine size law free state? And it seems pretty obvious to me that the Democrats here in CO do not welcome businesses like this. I'd move too.
 Quoting: Cybermerc


i would keep my operation in colorado operating under state law. if i wanted to keep manufacturing larger clips, i would open another plant elsewhere. that way i would maximize profits, without laying people off and hurting the local economy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


1.) Opening ANOTHER manufacturing facility to do the same thing you are already doing is NOT maximizing your profits stupid fucker.. it would be a net loss.

2.) They are not the ones hurting the "economy".. they are the ones HELPING IT.

Stupid fucker.. the ones HURTING it just passed a law making magpul's product illegal there.

Only a stupid fucker could not see the glaringly obvious that was directly in front of them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34649929

1.) two manufacturing facilities making two separate products. two target markets. two sources of revenue. it's not rocket science

2.) so if they close up shop and move out of state, that helps the local economy? interesting

3.) no law has been passed you dumbfuck. legislation does not equal law.
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THE WHOLE DAMN STATE IS TURNING INTO BOULDER! If this becomes law, I wont be spending my money in Greenie Land.
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Every single firearm owner, every supporter of the second amendment, and every non-coward in Colorado should write their local and state law enforcement depts and their local and state governments and tell them that they WILL NOT submit to these laws and anyone attempting to enforce them WILL be met with force!
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Re: BREAKING: Colorado passes gun bill - 15 round mag cap!!
what an ignorant law... (I checked to make sure it was not april fools day, its not)

This is a law written by people who are protected by guns yet have never shot a real gun in their lifes.

What happens when the wolf is at your door and the police are too busy to respond quickly or to respond at all.
When someone does arrive they will probably just find your house blown down unless you stopped the wolf yourself....


Laws like this protect the preditory animal by limiting law abiding citizens to be able to take on the wolf pack head on...
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if you can't defend youself with 15 shot clips, you shouldn't even own a gun.
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Re: BREAKING: Colorado passes gun bill - 15 round mag cap!!
what an ignorant law... (I checked to make sure it was not april fools day, its not)

This is a law written by people who are protected by guns yet have never shot a real gun in their lifes.

What happens when the wolf is at your door and the police are too busy to respond quickly or to respond at all.
When someone does arrive they will probably just find your house blown down unless you stopped the wolf yourself....


Laws like this protect the preditory animal by limiting law abiding citizens to be able to take on the wolf pack head on...
 Quoting: NoFair


if you can't defend youself with 15 shot clips, you shouldn't even own a gun.
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What happens when u got 300 Spartans comin at ya?

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Re: BREAKING: Colorado passes gun bill - 15 round mag cap!!
what an ignorant law... (I checked to make sure it was not april fools day, its not)

This is a law written by people who are protected by guns yet have never shot a real gun in their lifes.

What happens when the wolf is at your door and the police are too busy to respond quickly or to respond at all.
When someone does arrive they will probably just find your house blown down unless you stopped the wolf yourself....


Laws like this protect the preditory animal by limiting law abiding citizens to be able to take on the wolf pack head on...
 Quoting: NoFair


if you can't defend youself with 15 shot clips, you shouldn't even own a gun.
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truth
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what an ignorant law... (I checked to make sure it was not april fools day, its not)

This is a law written by people who are protected by guns yet have never shot a real gun in their lifes.

What happens when the wolf is at your door and the police are too busy to respond quickly or to respond at all.
When someone does arrive they will probably just find your house blown down unless you stopped the wolf yourself....


Laws like this protect the preditory animal by limiting law abiding citizens to be able to take on the wolf pack head on...
 Quoting: NoFair


if you can't defend youself with 15 shot clips, you shouldn't even own a gun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34706262


It's idiots like you who open their mouths to voice their opinion on something they have no clue about who are the problem...educate yourself please.

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Re: BREAKING: Colorado passes gun bill - 15 round mag cap!!
what an ignorant law... (I checked to make sure it was not april fools day, its not)

This is a law written by people who are protected by guns yet have never shot a real gun in their lifes.

What happens when the wolf is at your door and the police are too busy to respond quickly or to respond at all.
When someone does arrive they will probably just find your house blown down unless you stopped the wolf yourself....


Laws like this protect the preditory animal by limiting law abiding citizens to be able to take on the wolf pack head on...
 Quoting: NoFair


if you can't defend youself with 15 shot clips, you shouldn't even own a gun.
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What happens when u got 300 Persians comin at ya?
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if that's the case a 30 round clip wont help either
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what an ignorant law... (I checked to make sure it was not april fools day, its not)

This is a law written by people who are protected by guns yet have never shot a real gun in their lifes.

What happens when the wolf is at your door and the police are too busy to respond quickly or to respond at all.
When someone does arrive they will probably just find your house blown down unless you stopped the wolf yourself....


Laws like this protect the preditory animal by limiting law abiding citizens to be able to take on the wolf pack head on...
 Quoting: NoFair


if you can't defend youself with 15 shot clips, you shouldn't even own a gun.
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But my AR looks funny with low-cap mags....
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Re: BREAKING: Colorado passes gun bill - 15 round mag cap!!
what an ignorant law... (I checked to make sure it was not april fools day, its not)

This is a law written by people who are protected by guns yet have never shot a real gun in their lifes.

What happens when the wolf is at your door and the police are too busy to respond quickly or to respond at all.
When someone does arrive they will probably just find your house blown down unless you stopped the wolf yourself....


Laws like this protect the preditory animal by limiting law abiding citizens to be able to take on the wolf pack head on...
 Quoting: NoFair


if you can't defend youself with 15 shot clips, you shouldn't even own a gun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34706262


It's idiots like you who open their mouths to voice their opinion on something they have no clue about who are the problem...educate yourself please.

[link to 3.bp.blogspot.com]
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it's idiots like you who don't help their cause when they post irrelevant links that have nothing to do with the previous comment
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if you can't defend youself with 15 shot clips, you shouldn't even own a gun.
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truth
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The 2nd amendment is not about 'defending yourself.' Its about owning weapons for the battlefield, for warfare, for fighting many enemy at one time as in war. ie. "MILITIA"

Its not about hunting, sporting, or self or home defense.
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if you can't defend youself with 15 shot clips, you shouldn't even own a gun.
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truth
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The 2nd amendment is not about 'defending yourself.' Its about owning weapons for the battlefield, for warfare, for fighting many enemy at one time as in war. ie. "MILITIA"

Its not about hunting, sporting, or self or home defense.
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Darn right, the 2nd Amendment is about kicking the Gov't ass if it gets to high & mighty.
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Looks like Magpul will be moving to another state now.
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And the politicians DO NOT give a shit either! They (the politicians) do not care about you or anyone else for that matter! Maybe now the people will start to vote these motherfuckers out of office!
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Every single firearm owner, every supporter of the second amendment, and every non-coward in Colorado should write their local and state law enforcement depts and their local and state governments and tell them that they WILL NOT submit to these laws and anyone attempting to enforce them WILL be met with force!
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Where are the Sheriff's at? What are they saying about this?
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Every single firearm owner, every supporter of the second amendment, and every non-coward in Colorado should write their local and state law enforcement depts and their local and state governments and tell them that they WILL NOT submit to these laws and anyone attempting to enforce them WILL be met with force!
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Where are the Sheriff's at? What are they saying about this?
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Sheriff's stand with the gun owners. They put out a statement opposing gun control. The local police support all gun control measures.

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1. It's not a law. The Senate needs to approve it.
1. It's unconstitutional, violating the 2nd Amendment.
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Colorado Senate is largely democratic! It will pass.
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I always thought CO was a good state where people could be free!

Guess I was wrong, scratch off that state as a place I would want to live in!
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A bill to limit gun magazines to 15 rounds passed the Colorado House on Monday despite arguments it would force hundreds of manufacturing jobs out of state and not make people any safer. House Bill 1224 passed on a 34-31 vote, with just three Democrats voting against it. It was the first of four gun bills up for a vote Monday.


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 Quoting: GreadyGeniu$


so what are the arguments about it costing jobs, how is that possible? that link says nothing about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070


Magpul is one of the largest manufacturers of magazines in the US and they are based in CO. They have vowed to leave the state if this is passed. [link to www.facebook.com]
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so they would rather close up shop and forfeit all future profits because one state doesn't want large clips? do they realize they can sell these things outside the state of colorado?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14207070

That's the problem. They aren't allowed to manufacture them either
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