Parents ‘Stunned’ to See Disabled Daughter’s Feet Duct-Taped After School | |
| Booster Gold (OP) Commander and Beef User ID: 17090286 02/18/2013 08:54 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34714835 Let me guess.. with your ar15 right? If you're so ready to fight for situations blown out of proportion, perhaps you should just stay home. You know, don't do anything stupid. No one said anything about firearms except you. Yeah this guy just outed himself as a shill. Oh sorry, did I jump to conclusions, about all this inciting violence? Oh yeah, it is so unfair of me to assume something of you, but totally okay for you to assume something about why the child's shoes were attached to her pants. Perhaps you're the shill? Sure thing, Shillary Clinton. ![]() Last Edited by Baconhead on 02/18/2013 08:54 PM I am a son of Earth and starry sky. I am parched with thirst and am dying; but quickly grant me cold water from the Lake of Memory to drink. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17687147 02/18/2013 08:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fortunately the law is on the parents side for this one. If a staff member did this - or allowed another student to do this to the child - they are legally liable and can be sued along with their school district and anyone else involved. Quoting: MarkinAZ If this was done to humiliate the child or harm her in any way (and it's hard to imagine it otherwise) they're in deep shit!! How dare they do something like this to a disabled child? yeah not true at all.The teacher will say the kid was out of control and that will be an end to it.My son was put in special education at 3 yrs.Because he had attention problems and would rub his head on the floor they put him in a rifkin chair (spelling) literally bound him or strapped him in a chair.I finally got the bitch who did it fired but it messed him up and his doctor said to pull him out of school he wasnt old enough or mature enough for school.Wish I had home schooled him |
| Sonic Doom User ID: 11391214 02/18/2013 08:56 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh sorry, did I jump to conclusions, about all this inciting violence? Oh yeah, it is so unfair of me to assume something of you, but totally okay for you to assume something about why the child's shoes were attached to her pants. Perhaps you're the shill? Don't be angry if you're confused about that comment. It's called logic, and I'm aware you don't have any. ![]() "you mmmmmmake me happy" ~Simple Jack |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 34714835 02/18/2013 09:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh sorry, did I jump to conclusions, about all this inciting violence? Oh yeah, it is so unfair of me to assume something of you, but totally okay for you to assume something about why the child's shoes were attached to her pants. Perhaps you're the shill? The parents aren't confused about why their daughter's shoes were taped to her pants. They are aware she has issues with keeping them on. It sounds to me like they were refusing to communicate with the parents, and waiting for something like this so they could Sue, or get some media attention. Trust me the parents usually talk to the teacher about this stuff, I've personally had parents talk to me about ways to keep their shoes on. This one boy would have them off before he even got off the bus, so we'd have to sit there, and wait at least half an hour everyday before we could get him off the bus, and start school. What most people don't get about these classrooms are the behaviors. There's no rulebook to deal with them, we just try to do the best we can in regard to keeping all the childre. Learning, and from attacking each other and so on. So you can see why this shoe thing can be a debacle, and how much grief just that can cause, and why a teacher might do this. So threatening the teacher just makes me angry, because I know how hard it can be to just keep these kids from hurting themselves, or others. It's not easy, and there's no solution sometimes that is going to make the school, the child, and the parents happy. Which is the priority? The child, or the parent? This all could of been avoided with a phone call to the parents. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 34714835 02/18/2013 09:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That last reply ended up In the quote tags somehow. Anyway. Here's another example. In my first class, we had this boy who play with his genitals constantly. He was non verbal autistic, and the county, the parents, all looked to me yo find a solution to the behavior. Even the OT could not come up with a solution to keep him from doing this all day. It got in the way of him doing anything, hey, that's autism. They have behaviors. So I stressed out about how to curb the behavior I tried many different things before eventually going with an elastic device that went around the pants, and discouraged him from stimulating the area. It worked. The parents who only spoke Spanish, were happy, the superintendent was happy. The staff was happy, and he was comfortable, and was able to focus better, he later communicated to me after he had learned the PEcs system, that it was a good solution for him. My point is, that we try every thing we can to do the right thing sometimes, and if this staff had to go with tape to keep the shoes on, and now are being threatened, and treated like criminals, then I feel for them. It's hard to do the right thing for everyone. And I just wish some of you would try to see if from their perspective for a minute, and try to understand that this might have been a touch situation. I'm not sure any of you would have done something different. Cool story bro? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17687147 02/18/2013 09:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What's the big deal here? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4646660 Maybe I'm not following where the travesty occured and why there's so much outrage from the community. Me too, don't 100% agree with what they did but maybe there was nothing else they could do if she kept taking her shoes off, and maybe she will consider not doing it again? please please all those who on here who think its ok to torture a disabled child please do not breed. |
| Booster Gold (OP) Commander and Beef User ID: 17090286 02/18/2013 09:17 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That last reply ended up In the quote tags somehow. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34714835 Anyway. Here's another example. In my first class, we had this boy who play with his genitals constantly. He was non verbal autistic, and the county, the parents, all looked to me yo find a solution to the behavior. Even the OT could not come up with a solution to keep him from doing this all day. It got in the way of him doing anything, hey, that's autism. They have behaviors. So I stressed out about how to curb the behavior I tried many different things before eventually going with an elastic device that went around the pants, and discouraged him from stimulating the area. It worked. The parents who only spoke Spanish, were happy, the superintendent was happy. The staff was happy, and he was comfortable, and was able to focus better, he later communicated to me after he had learned the PEcs system, that it was a good solution for him. My point is, that we try every thing we can to do the right thing sometimes, and if this staff had to go with tape to keep the shoes on, and now are being threatened, and treated like criminals, then I feel for them. It's hard to do the right thing for everyone. And I just wish some of you would try to see if from their perspective for a minute, and try to understand that this might have been a touch situation. I'm not sure any of you would have done something different. Cool story bro? No, I don't think I would duct tape her feet until she couldn't walk and was in pain just so that her shoes would stay on. I am a son of Earth and starry sky. I am parched with thirst and am dying; but quickly grant me cold water from the Lake of Memory to drink. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 34714835 02/18/2013 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What's the big deal here? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4646660 Maybe I'm not following where the travesty occured and why there's so much outrage from the community. Me too, don't 100% agree with what they did but maybe there was nothing else they could do if she kept taking her shoes off, and maybe she will consider not doing it again? please please all those who on here who think its ok to torture a disabled child please do not breed. please read my post above yours. It's not torture. Just read my reply, please. I have firsthand experience with this exact situation. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 34714835 02/18/2013 09:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That last reply ended up In the quote tags somehow. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34714835 Anyway. Here's another example. In my first class, we had this boy who play with his genitals constantly. He was non verbal autistic, and the county, the parents, all looked to me yo find a solution to the behavior. Even the OT could not come up with a solution to keep him from doing this all day. It got in the way of him doing anything, hey, that's autism. They have behaviors. So I stressed out about how to curb the behavior I tried many different things before eventually going with an elastic device that went around the pants, and discouraged him from stimulating the area. It worked. The parents who only spoke Spanish, were happy, the superintendent was happy. The staff was happy, and he was comfortable, and was able to focus better, he later communicated to me after he had learned the PEcs system, that it was a good solution for him. My point is, that we try every thing we can to do the right thing sometimes, and if this staff had to go with tape to keep the shoes on, and now are being threatened, and treated like criminals, then I feel for them. It's hard to do the right thing for everyone. And I just wish some of you would try to see if from their perspective for a minute, and try to understand that this might have been a touch situation. I'm not sure any of you would have done something different. Cool story bro? No, I don't think I would duct tape her feet until she couldn't walk and was in pain just so that her shoes would stay on. Well, I truly hope that is not the case. That is unheard of, and I'm not sure how someone was allowed to do this. There's more than one person in these classes, and to think they sent a child home like that is a little hard to believe. How can we be sure they are not just seeing her shoes taped on, and then just saying she couldn't walk. If they had only said her shoes were taped on, there would be no story, so I can see why they would need that extra oomph to make the backlash a little more severe. I don't see a group of adults who are being laid off every year, In fear of their jobs doing that to a child. That's a stupid move. Like asking to be fired. I don't see it. If it is true, then I'm with you, I will hurt those people. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 34721418 02/18/2013 09:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ahhh, the many uses of duct tape. If you use colored duct tape it makes it seem like a game. No really that is wrong, I mean my kids have made a pair of shoes and a hat out of duct tape, and freakishly wore them out in public, but I have never duct taped my kids shoes to them. |
| Booster Gold (OP) Commander and Beef User ID: 17090286 02/18/2013 09:28 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That last reply ended up In the quote tags somehow. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34714835 Anyway. Here's another example. In my first class, we had this boy who play with his genitals constantly. He was non verbal autistic, and the county, the parents, all looked to me yo find a solution to the behavior. Even the OT could not come up with a solution to keep him from doing this all day. It got in the way of him doing anything, hey, that's autism. They have behaviors. So I stressed out about how to curb the behavior I tried many different things before eventually going with an elastic device that went around the pants, and discouraged him from stimulating the area. It worked. The parents who only spoke Spanish, were happy, the superintendent was happy. The staff was happy, and he was comfortable, and was able to focus better, he later communicated to me after he had learned the PEcs system, that it was a good solution for him. My point is, that we try every thing we can to do the right thing sometimes, and if this staff had to go with tape to keep the shoes on, and now are being threatened, and treated like criminals, then I feel for them. It's hard to do the right thing for everyone. And I just wish some of you would try to see if from their perspective for a minute, and try to understand that this might have been a touch situation. I'm not sure any of you would have done something different. Cool story bro? No, I don't think I would duct tape her feet until she couldn't walk and was in pain just so that her shoes would stay on. Well, I truly hope that is not the case. That is unheard of, and I'm not sure how someone was allowed to do this. There's more than one person in these classes, and to think they sent a child home like that is a little hard to believe. How can we be sure they are not just seeing her shoes taped on, and then just saying she couldn't walk. If they had only said her shoes were taped on, there would be no story, so I can see why they would need that extra oomph to make the backlash a little more severe. I don't see a group of adults who are being laid off every year, In fear of their jobs doing that to a child. That's a stupid move. Like asking to be fired. I don't see it. If it is true, then I'm with you, I will hurt those people. Did you even read the report or were you just dispatched from shill headquarters with a brief synopsis? I am a son of Earth and starry sky. I am parched with thirst and am dying; but quickly grant me cold water from the Lake of Memory to drink. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 34714835 02/18/2013 09:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That last reply ended up In the quote tags somehow. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34714835 Anyway. Here's another example. In my first class, we had this boy who play with his genitals constantly. He was non verbal autistic, and the county, the parents, all looked to me yo find a solution to the behavior. Even the OT could not come up with a solution to keep him from doing this all day. It got in the way of him doing anything, hey, that's autism. They have behaviors. So I stressed out about how to curb the behavior I tried many different things before eventually going with an elastic device that went around the pants, and discouraged him from stimulating the area. It worked. The parents who only spoke Spanish, were happy, the superintendent was happy. The staff was happy, and he was comfortable, and was able to focus better, he later communicated to me after he had learned the PEcs system, that it was a good solution for him. My point is, that we try every thing we can to do the right thing sometimes, and if this staff had to go with tape to keep the shoes on, and now are being threatened, and treated like criminals, then I feel for them. It's hard to do the right thing for everyone. And I just wish some of you would try to see if from their perspective for a minute, and try to understand that this might have been a touch situation. I'm not sure any of you would have done something different. Cool story bro? No, I don't think I would duct tape her feet until she couldn't walk and was in pain just so that her shoes would stay on. Well, I truly hope that is not the case. That is unheard of, and I'm not sure how someone was allowed to do this. There's more than one person in these classes, and to think they sent a child home like that is a little hard to believe. How can we be sure they are not just seeing her shoes taped on, and then just saying she couldn't walk. If they had only said her shoes were taped on, there would be no story, so I can see why they would need that extra oomph to make the backlash a little more severe. I don't see a group of adults who are being laid off every year, In fear of their jobs doing that to a child. That's a stupid move. Like asking to be fired. I don't see it. If it is true, then I'm with you, I will hurt those people. Did you even read the report or were you just dispatched from shill headquarters with a brief synopsis? Yes, and I saw the picture as well. It didn't appear to preventing her from walking. Sometimes children with down syndrome will find relations in things, such as the sun is warm= it burns my skin, or my shoes are taped= my feet hurt. I'm not sure what happened, or how tight the tape was, or the reason behind it. But I think we should get the other side's opinion before we pass judgment. This is a problem for the program and its directors. Not ABC news. Parents of children with special needs enjoy being on the news for some reason, I've noticed. I don't like media, but I love my kids, so I guess we don't really know at this point what the whole story is. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 34714835 02/18/2013 09:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | fucking bubble-people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33725052 simple deduction: handicapped kid keeps taking shoes off repeatedly tell kid to put shoes on duct-tape shoes on kid gets home without glass in feet or broken toes THIS IS A FUCKING OUTRAGE not really. That's what I would have said if I wasn't so harsh. They were damned if they did, damned if they didn't really. A lose, lose situation. Imagine the girl coming home with an Infection in her foot? Can imagine how angry the patents would have been if they didn't keep her shoes on. This is the dilemma here. Your version worlks as well though, Ac. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 34714835 02/18/2013 10:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay my phone is not cooperative tonight. Makes my credentials hardly believable! I enjoyed the thread, and was happy to have participated. Even if I was called a shill. Are you guys just using that overtly now to be funny, or are you really that paranoid? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18681750 02/18/2013 10:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If your child has special needs, and you send them to public school, you either need to accept that they will not get individualized attention which does lead to unpleasant things such as this or pull them out and home school. teacher are overwhelmed, not monsters. Granted there are many out there that should not be teachers, but most just are just overworked. I have a kid with ADD. He wears me out. Now take a class of 10 or more of these kids, but with all different idiosyncrasies and try to maintain a classroom. It's not easy. If my kid was always taking off his shoes, I could give up and let him run barefoot at home, at school it is not acceptable. People need to get a backbone! This is not a tragedy. |
| TDJ User ID: 32831057 02/18/2013 10:34 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | couple this with the downs guy getting asphixiated and NYC trying to imprison mentally ill people, the 2 million bed asylum in Alaska and you can sort of see we're headed towards a holocaust against all those deemed "mentally ill". Those who don't think the way the establishment wants will be used, abused, and killed. Quoting: Booster Gold SAY WHAT??? what are you talking about The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government." Patrick Henry |
| Booster Gold (OP) Commander and Beef User ID: 17090286 02/18/2013 10:36 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | couple this with the downs guy getting asphixiated and NYC trying to imprison mentally ill people, the 2 million bed asylum in Alaska and you can sort of see we're headed towards a holocaust against all those deemed "mentally ill". Those who don't think the way the establishment wants will be used, abused, and killed. Quoting: Booster Gold SAY WHAT??? what are you talking about Posted by Phen: Thread: A 2-million bed mental hospital in Alaska? By Mary Neal Last Edited by Baconhead on 02/18/2013 10:36 PM I am a son of Earth and starry sky. I am parched with thirst and am dying; but quickly grant me cold water from the Lake of Memory to drink. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18681750 02/18/2013 10:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I will add to my above post. My kid is ADDish. I did not ever take him to a doctor, although one commented about him when I took him with me to an appt. I have done the research, and I work hard to get him through life, but he has had to take it on the chin on occassion, because he is high maintenance. We stick up for him on the big stuff and teach him to do better on the smaller issues that he is faced with. We let him pay the price for his true mistakes, and he has learned from them. If he had come home with a desk chair taped to his rear, I would probably call the teach and discuss it, but I'd know he had pushed the teacher to her limit and would happily suggest better remedies. I also homeschooled for him 2 different years and that benefited him immensely. |
| TDJ User ID: 32831057 02/18/2013 10:45 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh sorry, did I jump to conclusions, about all this inciting violence? Oh yeah, it is so unfair of me to assume something of you, but totally okay for you to assume something about why the child's shoes were attached to her pants. Perhaps you're the shill? This all could of been avoided with a phone call to the parents. Can't believe nobody said this yet but why not let her take her shoes off and leave them off until class is over? Does she really have to have shoes on so badly that we duct tape them to her? The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government." Patrick Henry |
| Booster Gold (OP) Commander and Beef User ID: 17090286 02/18/2013 10:59 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh sorry, did I jump to conclusions, about all this inciting violence? Oh yeah, it is so unfair of me to assume something of you, but totally okay for you to assume something about why the child's shoes were attached to her pants. Perhaps you're the shill? This all could of been avoided with a phone call to the parents. Can't believe nobody said this yet but why not let her take her shoes off and leave them off until class is over? Does she really have to have shoes on so badly that we duct tape them to her? Don't you get that schools are supposed to program you to be a nice conformist? You're never supposed to do anything that sticks out or have special treatment. Even in Special Ed. I was in Special Ed. I never ate my food as a kid so one afternoon my teacher sat me down in an empty classroom and slammed a tray of food down in front of me and said "Eat". I told her I wasn't hungry. I mean, I was NOT hungry. She said "Eat." when she talked, she spat, and it went right into the food. I said "I'm not hungry." because I wasn't hungry, I couldn't eat. In fact I was nauseated. She said "You're not leaving till this tray is clear." So I picked up the tray and flipped it over onto the floor. She smacked me across the face. I am a son of Earth and starry sky. I am parched with thirst and am dying; but quickly grant me cold water from the Lake of Memory to drink. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33725052 02/18/2013 11:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh sorry, did I jump to conclusions, about all this inciting violence? Oh yeah, it is so unfair of me to assume something of you, but totally okay for you to assume something about why the child's shoes were attached to her pants. Perhaps you're the shill? This all could of been avoided with a phone call to the parents. Can't believe nobody said this yet but why not let her take her shoes off and leave them off until class is over? Does she really have to have shoes on so badly that we duct tape them to her? because you're not at home. You're in a public place. You keep your shoes on, you keep your clothes on. Not that hard or unreasonable. |
| Useless Cookie Eater User ID: 29696048 02/18/2013 11:16 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, did you see the other thread up tonight about the man with Down's Syndrome suffocated while in police custody? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28167778 So Sad. Indeed. The mentally ill are currently in a troubling time. They're being used as political pawns to further an agenda of brainwashing against normal people. The idea is to make people who suffer from mental illness seem dangerous and untrustworthy, then define anyone who does not "obey" as "mentally ill" and arrest them. Considering that statement....you have some mental illness as well. WOW! So the mentally ill should be allowed to totally roam free among SANE people? Hey... let's give them some knives and guns too while were at it! ![]() Last Edited by Useless Cookie Eater on 02/18/2013 11:16 PM |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 3570662 02/18/2013 11:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Before we get out the pitchforks and go on a rampage, do we know malice was involved in the duct taping? She may have been trying to keep the shoes on the kids feet. If the kid had arrived home with one shoe or both shoes missing parents would have been upset too. You just dont know!!! A lot of retarded people are borderline uncontrollable. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 34698666 02/18/2013 11:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, did you see the other thread up tonight about the man with Down's Syndrome suffocated while in police custody? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28167778 So Sad. Indeed. The mentally ill are currently in a troubling time. They're being used as political pawns to further an agenda of brainwashing against normal people. The idea is to make people who suffer from mental illness seem dangerous and untrustworthy, then define anyone who does not "obey" as "mentally ill" and arrest them. Considering that statement....you have some mental illness as well. WOW! So the mentally ill should be allowed to totally roam free among SANE people? Hey... let's give them some knives and guns too while were at it! :wtfspock: like they would have any problem buying some guns ammo in murrica if they wanted |
| Booster Gold (OP) Commander and Beef User ID: 17090286 02/18/2013 11:24 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, did you see the other thread up tonight about the man with Down's Syndrome suffocated while in police custody? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28167778 So Sad. Indeed. The mentally ill are currently in a troubling time. They're being used as political pawns to further an agenda of brainwashing against normal people. The idea is to make people who suffer from mental illness seem dangerous and untrustworthy, then define anyone who does not "obey" as "mentally ill" and arrest them. Considering that statement....you have some mental illness as well. WOW! So the mentally ill should be allowed to totally roam free among SANE people? Hey... let's give them some knives and guns too while were at it! ![]() With medicine, treatment by both a psychologist and a therapist along with a good support structure a mentally ill person can be a productive member of society. You wouldn't even know a person was mentally ill if you talked with them every day. Mental illness is like a physical illness. It needs to be taken care of. The person doesn't need to be treated like a leper, they aren't contagious and very few are actually "dangerous". You've been watching horror movies and swallowing the media koolaid far too much. Unfortunately there are a few, very small percentage of dangerous mentally ill people. Yes. But to call all mentally ill people dangerous, to mistrust all of them and mistrust them as you are doing is not only dangerous to them, it is dangerous to you because it will breed a society that judges any slight deviation from the "norm" as a mental illness. By "deviation from the norm" I mean free thought. Yes. You will be called mentally ill for showing emotion or free thought. What you do now echoes and remember that echoes bounce back. I am a son of Earth and starry sky. I am parched with thirst and am dying; but quickly grant me cold water from the Lake of Memory to drink. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26257191 02/18/2013 11:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is just a question....in a case like this, why can't the school send the child home until the parents can make the child comply with the shoe rule? The teacher shouldn't have to spend their time doing this. If a 'normal' child constantly violated a school rule wouldn't they be held accountable? If they have to treat special needs the same, why wouldn't it apply here too? Or is this just one of those pick and chose situations? |
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