To all the self-righteous christians on this site who quote bible passages as evidence...

Over and out. Tired of this useless chatter. Bye ppl.

Take care.

For something that has no place in modern times it sure stands tall. The use of logic should tell someone to give up a fight they can't win.

The Bible itself is testimony to the existence of God. It is the best selling book for over a thousand years. No other book comes close. Many people have at least one bible in there home. Bibles are found in many hotels/motels. Bibles are the most common book given as a gift.

The Bible is quoted more than any other book by both believers and even non believers alike.

Again, logic should tell someone to give up a fight they can't win. Faith stands strong even in these days and times.

What purpose does the Bible actually serve? At best, it should teach love and goodwill to others, and give spirituality to a persons life.

But think about it, you don't need a religious doctrine to learn how to love (to most it comes naturally), and you don't need to be a Christian to be spiritual.

But what else does it teach? Fear. You are told that if you do not follow its ways you will get the worst punishment imaginable (Hell). This also teaches you to look down upon those who chose not to follow your religion. It is blackmail, and exploitation of the weak-minded.

This sense of self-righteousness that is instilled undermines logic, as people believe quoting the bible overrides a logical argument.

If anything, the Bible is an assertive tool.

Quoting bible verses obviously won't proves anything.

But presuming the bible authors get it from their imagination is also unproven statement too.

Self righteousness comes from stubborn unproven presumption, either religious presumption or atheistic presumption. You don't have to quote the bible to be self-righteous.

Then you shouldn't be too surprised to get this kind of feedback on a conspiracy site.

Conspiracy theorists are anti-msm.

The Bible is the #1 msm of all time.

That's why many of us around here can see the Bible for what it really is. A tool of control. The scriptbook for tptb.

Thing is, both sides mean well. Bibletards want to save our souls from hell, and we only want to open up the Bibletards eyes to see they've been fooled.

In the end all that matters is that you were true to your own heart.

^True.

But sometimes their narrowmindedness can be SO frustrating.

You must like to hear about the bible, otherwise you wouldnt have started a post like this.

If you have 30 years experience defending false Bible teachings, then perhaps you should try analysing and comprehending things properly.

Time and time again I have shown how the Bible is seriously flawed.

Time and time again I have shown how the Bible and believers undermine GOD's love and omniscience, believing GOD agrees to and authorises infanticide, murder, slavery, stoning, ethnic cleansing, the oppression of women etc.

Do you believe GOD approved Mosaic law?

Do you believe GOD or GOD/JESUS really does such things?





You say you have experience and yet your belief in the Bible as GOD's word is

If I were the devil, you would be in the top of my class OP!!

Listen on YouTube...

If I were the devil....

I wish I lived in the Neatherlands. You people seem so...what word can I use...NORMAL. I live America, which seems to be the land of delusion.

Course, I expect the Xians to come on here and tell me to move. But that is much easier said than done. I am stuck here.

What made you pissed about what he said? Was it the word, LOGIC? Christians don't USE logic, they don't use reason, they don't use common sense so normal people can't argue with them because you need to use these things to understand life realistically. Christians live in a world where magical beings exist invisibly in the air. There are good and bad magical imaginary beings and somehow, they think they have the support of the good magical beings.

So they threaten normal (logical and reasonable) people with hell. And this hell is created by their invisible good guy. Try to imagine how illogical that one is. Their "GOOD" invisible hero creates a place to torture and torment people forever. Idiot Christers look forward to this. They can't wait to see their "enemies" (the people who navigate through life using common sense and reason) punished forever. Go figure.

The church of hypocrites is going down first!!!

That means the statutory rape supporting, false prophet supporting Mormons, and German Nazi Catholic popes transferring chimos, then the hireling priests next!!

OP, where do you get your logic and morals (assuming you believe in them) from?

From my family and my life experiences.

I grew up in an environment without religion. My family is not religious, and neither are my friends or friends of my friends.

I understand life without religion, and can see outside of it.

no, it is the words of men.

powerful men who wish to deny you your freedoms at that.

If only there was an event that made all of these fear mongering worshippers of a jealous god to just fuck off and promptly disappear.

Generation after generation of stupid brainwashing and not letting their own kids think for themselves needs to be stopped. 7 billion people and they're the majority, this is a plague of never ending stupid.

I love you and I will not judge you. I have studied religion extensively and it is my opinion that the works in the nag hammadi library and the bible were inspired by god. That being said, if you choose to ignore these inspired words then that is your choice. Just like it is my choice to quote the bible, for I believe it is the divine word of god. You are in control of yourself by your actions and deeds and I respect that.

Attempting to use the popularity of the bible as evidence for it's legitimacy is foolish and irresponsible.

It's like saying Avatar is the best movie of all time because it made the most money or Thriller by Michael Jackson is the best album because it sold the most copies.

BULLSHIT!

The scariest thing about god is that seemingly normal and sane people fervently and readily believe in such apparent nonsense.

Here is a scripture for you OP Heaven and Earth may pass away but MY WORD will never pass away.

Here is another: Every knee shall bow every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Yes OP that will include you.

Since when has a human being asking a legitimate question been WICKED Judethz???

Last I heard jesus answered every question thrown at him, and condemned NO one for them, EXCEPT the "Religious" ones. Like the scribes and the pharisees..who IF they had had chick tracts in their day like we do now, would have not only been spouting constant threats of hell and doom on anyone WITHOUT even trying to answer any of their questions, like you do..but they would have handed out chick tracts by the ton and posted soft pedo porn with almost every post showing to the world JUST how utterly wicked THEY really were.


You would have to be THE best reason ON this forum NO one ever gets reached and touched by the REAL love of the Lord.

You are a snake and a viper and a sick twisted hate filled individul and YOU WILL reap AS you have sown.

You have been warned and warned.

YOUR time is NOW up.

Laugh if you like.

Its only going to make what the Lord is about to drop on you THAT much more terrible.

HOW DARE you turn people away from HIS LOVE and HIS MERCY you foul thing.


You secrets are KNOWN to me..your sins of porn and maturbation to the sickest images and stealing and lying..ALL known to me..I KNOW who you are...the lord tells me EVERYTHING I need to know about those he is about to DEAL with.

He has shown SO MUCH PATIENCE with you.

But now times up.

NO more warnings..but JUDGMENT.

It actually doesn't say that if you don't follow its ways you will go to hell. It says that Jesus is the gateway to heaven and that if you believe in Jesus you will go to heaven.

It also says that Jesus is the judge of those that go to heaven so in essence, you will stand before Jesus he will ask if you believe in him and you obviously say yes because you're with him and then you too will go to heaven.

SO you do have freedom of choice, but in the end all of us will meet with Jesus to discuss if we believe in him and the gates of heaven will open up to us.

There is a passage, and I won't quote it, but it says that Christians should tell everyone about Jesus and if people choose not to believe we should just go on to the next. We are not told to force Christ down anyone's throat. Jesus made it clear that LOVE is the most important commandment, not fear.

I think this is a good point for the basis of all the arguments on this site.

But the Bible has a solid foundation for all conspiracy theories. The Bible continually tells you that there will evil in the world that will try to enslave us. Revelations talks about wars and "rumors of wars".

Without the Bible the conspiracy theorists wouldn't have much to discuss.

What conspiracy exists that isn't based on Biblical prophecy or initiated by religion in some fashion?

Please re-read my quote. I said that the Bible IS in modern times and that its endurance is a testimony to the existence of God.

Comparing Avatar isn't logical since the cost of a ticket to see a silent film in the 1920's (a few pennies), to recent films (around $10), isn't correct. Gone with the Wind would be the best selling movie of all time adjusted for ticket prices. Does that mean the Gone with the Wind is the best movie of all time? Regardless, it does support the statement that the ENDURANCE of Gone with the Wind, 50+ years, is a testimony to the existence of the south.

Avatar, on the other hand, has yet to prove its endurance.

And if you read the opening poem of Gone with the Wind you will notice that the film is not to be taken as factual or as prophecy - "look for it in books for it is no more than a dream remembered".

The Bible on the other hand starts with "the beginning". It doesn't preface with a poem describing the book as a story or a dream only found in books.

Those that love the film, Gone with the Wind, will tell you that it is a work of fiction. Those that love the bible will tell you it is a work of non-fiction.

t is reasonable to think as you do OP...

so I

Gave you 3 stars OP...

3 stars because what you say is reasonable for people to think who have not yet been touched by The Spirit.

3 stars because it is what the god of this world

yes, reasonable is a good choice for you and your thinking...

If and when The Spirit shines upon you, perhaps you will understand that God is about confounding the reason of men.

Until such a time, you and others will remain confident in your reasoning and others will continue to hear and respond to the call.

The call which confounds the thinking of you and many others like you.

Be confounded OP..... Be "reasonable".

The Spirit will continue to confound.

Although you have morals that come from it. Besides, if you really thought it was fake, you wouldn't take the time to talk about it. No atheist would. Why? Because an nonexistent God can't do anything. Yes, ponder on THAT.

The evidence lies in the change you see in a person who accepts Christ. Anyone call say they are Christian, but we all know that doesn't make them so. We live in a country where an overwhelming majority believe that acknowledging the Bible exists, and going to church and feeling good afterward makes them justified to condemn, persecute, and ridicule anyone who doesn't do the same.

I have been saved by Grace, and have done nothing to deserve it but accept Christ as my personal savior. My life, relationships, and heart have been forever changed because of that choice I made for myself. It is a spiritual change, evident to everyone you've ever known, that can only be found by choice, not sold. I can't imagine any intelligent person being attracted to any belief through persecution and fear. If that's what they're selling, that isn't the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

He spoke of hope, and loved everyone He met. He spoke out against a legalistic church that did all of the things every legalistic church's do now. He Himself said that church had perverted His Word, and died to break it. Saved by Grace through Faith in Him, that's it.

In my own defense I am a pastor, so I apologize for a somewhat biased argument. I didn't live the majority of my 37 years as a Believer, but grew up in a very superficial Lutheran church. It wasn't until 5 years ago that I even understood how real a relationship with Christ could be.

I am sorry that modern day Christians have made even the idea of believing seem to be a breeding ground for hypocrisy and ignorance. Debating semantics between Believers and non-believers is just as pointless as when it is within the church. Anyone can read through the Bible, but too few actually comprehend it(no smite against anyone). It's a book of revelation, God's Word, and not a tool for self righteous condemnation. I do hope that at some point everyone gets the opportunity to have conversation with a true Disciple of Christ where you'll be shown both mutual respect and God's love in your correspondence.

I hope that maybe this provides a clearer picture of what Christianity is meant to be, and wish nothing but the best for you all. Be blessed friends.