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If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

 
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More insults. Why do you insult so much?
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Could be she is pre-conditioned by reading the previous Posts . . . primarily those attacks by Noble . . . on Chemtrail Conspiracy Advocates . . .
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No excuse to insult me.
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Hmmmm . . . forgiveness is divine . . . if you are armed with the truth, logic, and science as you feel you do . . . I am sure you can withstand a bit of blowback form a new participant . . . peace
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Of course, but I can still point out how someone with no evidence and no real argument can come and start by insulting someone who presents evidence. I presented a series of papers showing that persistent contrails and their effects on climate/radiative forcing had been studying for over 40 years. And then complain about my spelling when having numerous spelling errors of her own. It is a typical sort of response.
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Nobody gives a shit about what words you don't use. It's the lies you spread about "chemtrails" that concerns some of us.
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VT is able to take care of herself; however, I might add that if VT believes honestly what she is saying when she says something . . . she is not lying . . . grinning
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She is SPREADING lies she has read online, because or her ignorance.

You can support her ignorance all you want George, but it will remain her ignorance.
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I see chemtrails all the time. They are very real.
Why would you doubt something right in your face?
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Because I don't have any chemical composition of the trails I see, and they look just like persistent contrails.

I have no reason to believe they aren't contrails, and neither do you.
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Nobody gives a shit about what words you don't use. It's the lies you spread about "chemtrails" that concerns some of us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465

VT is able to take care of herself; however, I might add that if VT believes honestly what she is saying when she says something . . . she is not lying . . . grinning
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She is SPREADING lies she has read online, because or her ignorance.

You can support her ignorance all you want George, but it will remain her ignorance.
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VT is very aware of what I think . . . I don't place requirements on people to think the way I think to be my friend or to communicate with them in a respectful and honest manner . . . coffee4
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So, she knows you disagree with her about what the trails are based on a lack of evidence.

OK, just clarifying.
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For those of you who think that persistent contrails did not exist before 1996 and those of you who think it is the chemtrail conspiracy who are forcing the issue, here are some papers discussing the issue

1996: Klaus M Gierens. Numerical Simulations of Persistent Contrails

1994: Jet Aircraft Condensation Trails: Their Radiative Impacts and Association with Atmospheric Conditions, David James Travis

1986: Influence of Cirrus Clouds on Weather and Climate Processes: A Global Perspective

1981: Stanley A Changnon, Midwestern Cloud, Sunshine and Temperature Trends since 1901: Possible Evidence of Jet Contrail Effects.

1970: Peter M. Kuhn, Airborne Observations of Contrail Effects on the Thermal Radiation Budget.

1960: J. Georgi, Extensive cloud area produced by a condensation trail

So the study of persistent contrails goes back over 50 years and the study of the effects on the radiation budget over 40 years.

Of course the first observations of persistent contrails goes back to the 1920s.
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This is no proof of whats going on with chemtrails today.
 Quoting: Caroline 37094633


There is no proof of what's "going on with chemtrails today".

That's the whole point. There is no proof that the trails are anything more than contrails.

NONE
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George B you have a nice thread, chemtrail awareness is good. I'll have to admit that I'm not comfortable posting here because of your shill stalker.
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Not being comfortable expressing yourself is actually a good thing when you don't want to expose your lunacy and lack of intelligence.

The stalker is saving you from even more embarrassment.
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You can post on my thread Caroline all shill/stalkers are banned to infinity.
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There is no proof of what's "going on with chemtrails today".

That's the whole point. There is no proof that the trails are anything more than contrails.

NONE
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The real mystery is why someone like George would get pleasure out of harming people.

George was attracted to the medical community for some reason. George's favorite film is probably THE ISLAND OF DR. MOREAU.
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You can post on my thread Caroline all shill/stalkers are banned to infinity.
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Windy . . . you are a hoot. . . .

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And George, you are one sadistic mother fucker.
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If George banned people who could see through this BS, George wouldn't have a thread.
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VT is able to take care of herself; however, I might add that if VT believes honestly what she is saying when she says something . . . she is not lying . . . grinning
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She is SPREADING lies she has read online, because or her ignorance.

You can support her ignorance all you want George, but it will remain her ignorance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


Come on George, tell me the trails she sees are unlikely contrails....Because we certainly know about all the trouble Vermont is having with Global warming...and how unlikely the air at altitude above that state is conducive to persistent contrail formation. And tell me that she is "normal" for calling the trails "chemtrails" even if she has NO EVIDENCE they are anything more than contrails.

Tell me how wrong I likely am...and how right she likely is.

George, you are doing her no favors...and you aren't being her "friend" by avoiding the facts here just to maintain a "relationship" with her...

It's funny how you will avoid telling these people the truth all in an effort to be on their good side.

Ridiculous.
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This is what I think . . .

Why do people believe in conspiracies and specifically chemtrails?

1) Our history, literature, legends, entertainment, even our religions are replete with conspiracies . . .

2) Remember . . . Where more than two people are gathered . . . a conspiracy exists . . . LoL!!!

3) The world is obviously changing . . . instant communication, population density, technology, number and frequency of aircraft . . . and therefore, the greater chance to see persistent trails in the sky . . . and no one has convinced believers these trails cannot be chemtrails . . .

4) Trust of authority and their motives are at an all time low . . . i.e. "Just one in 10 Americans approves of the job Congress is doing, according to a Gallup poll released Tuesday, tying the branch's lowest approval rating in 38 years. Congress originally hit the 10 percent mark in February, before bouncing back several points."
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

5) Constant, heated and contentious debate exists over the state of global warming, global dimming, ozone depletion, and whether people are the major cause of a deteriorating climate and environment . . . or not. . . scientists have been effectively disenfranchised from their credibility in the public forum by lobbyists who have vested interests . . .

6) Atmospheric science is a complex and dynamic science . . . with infinite variability and unlimited sources of contamination, natural as well as man made . . .

7) In my opinion, when people were encouraged to observe the sky because of the chemtrail conspiracy . . . there was a significant realization . . . there was much more to see than people thought . . . I believe some people had a primeval moment . . . the sky was always the source of foreboding and early warning . . . Storm clouds, smoke, volcanic ash, dust storms, migrating fowl and seasonal changes . . . the sky is our crystal ball !!!!

8) Right or wrong . . . the conspiracy has a life of its own . . . no amount of argument or scientific theory will likely remove those who believe . . . from their conspiracy . . . because of their distrust of scientists, authority, primeval foreboding, and knowledge, experience and belief in conspiracies.

9) So debunkers by implying that those who believe in chemtrails are defective loons, stupid and uneducated is counter productive . . . the believers may well be the most honest and tuned-in group out there . . . you just don't understand them . . . shitstir2
 Quoting: George B



Wow, such a diplomat. I love how you completely avoided the point.

You can't even SUGGEST that the trails they see are just plain old persistent contrails.

I appreciate the lesson on conspiracies. Despite it's lack of relevance.

The fact remains, regardless of how you dance around it, that there is no evidence that these people are seeing anything more than contrails. I don't understand why I'm the bad guy (shill) for pointing out that undeniable truth.


Oh well, no one said conspiracy nuts are logical....
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VT is able to take care of herself; however, I might add that if VT believes honestly what she is saying when she says something . . . she is not lying . . . grinning
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She is SPREADING lies she has read online, because or her ignorance.

You can support her ignorance all you want George, but it will remain her ignorance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


VT is very aware of what I think . . . I don't place requirements on people to think the way I think to be my friend or to communicate with them in a respectful and honest manner . . . coffee4
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So, she knows you disagree with her about what the trails are based on a lack of evidence.

OK, just clarifying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


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You can post on my thread Caroline all shill/stalkers are banned to infinity.
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Windy . . . you are a hoot. . . .

:144:
 Quoting: George B


And George, you are one sadistic mother fucker.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5917739


Nice to know I am loved by one and all. . . .grinning
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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This is what I think . . .

Why do people believe in conspiracies and specifically chemtrails?

1) Our history, literature, legends, entertainment, even our religions are replete with conspiracies . . .

2) Remember . . . Where more than two people are gathered . . . a conspiracy exists . . . LoL!!!

3) The world is obviously changing . . . instant communication, population density, technology, number and frequency of aircraft . . . and therefore, the greater chance to see persistent trails in the sky . . . and no one has convinced believers these trails cannot be chemtrails . . .

4) Trust of authority and their motives are at an all time low . . . i.e. "Just one in 10 Americans approves of the job Congress is doing, according to a Gallup poll released Tuesday, tying the branch's lowest approval rating in 38 years. Congress originally hit the 10 percent mark in February, before bouncing back several points."
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

5) Constant, heated and contentious debate exists over the state of global warming, global dimming, ozone depletion, and whether people are the major cause of a deteriorating climate and environment . . . or not. . . scientists have been effectively disenfranchised from their credibility in the public forum by lobbyists who have vested interests . . .

6) Atmospheric science is a complex and dynamic science . . . with infinite variability and unlimited sources of contamination, natural as well as man made . . .

7) In my opinion, when people were encouraged to observe the sky because of the chemtrail conspiracy . . . there was a significant realization . . . there was much more to see than people thought . . . I believe some people had a primeval moment . . . the sky was always the source of foreboding and early warning . . . Storm clouds, smoke, volcanic ash, dust storms, migrating fowl and seasonal changes . . . the sky is our crystal ball !!!!

8) Right or wrong . . . the conspiracy has a life of its own . . . no amount of argument or scientific theory will likely remove those who believe . . . from their conspiracy . . . because of their distrust of scientists, authority, primeval foreboding, and knowledge, experience and belief in conspiracies.

9) So debunkers by implying that those who believe in chemtrails are defective loons, stupid and uneducated is counter productive . . . the believers may well be the most honest and tuned-in group out there . . . you just don't understand them . . . shitstir2
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Wow, such a diplomat. I love how you completely avoided the point.

You can't even SUGGEST that the trails they see are just plain old persistent contrails.

I appreciate the lesson on conspiracies. Despite it's lack of relevance.

The fact remains, regardless of how you dance around it, that there is no evidence that these people are seeing anything more than contrails. I don't understand why I'm the bad guy (shill) for pointing out that undeniable truth.


Oh well, no one said conspiracy nuts are logical....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465

Why . . . The bad guy????. . . It is not what you say it is how you say it . . . You are almost without fail . . . demeaning, hateful, condescending, insulting, and spiteful . . . Beyond that you are just a nice guy on a mission. . . .grinning

Last Edited by George B on 03/29/2013 01:02 PM
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If George banned people who could see through this BS, George wouldn't have a thread.
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Without some controversy . . .most threads would fail quickly . . . unless the topic is just too interesting to pass up. . . . few Threads succeed in duration, significance or volume . . . that is just the way it is . . . verysad
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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You can post on my thread Caroline all shill/stalkers are banned to infinity.
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Windy . . . you are a hoot. . . .

:144:
 Quoting: George B


And George, you are one sadistic mother fucker.
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Nice to know I am loved by one and all. . . .grinning
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All George, you are as one to all. You is smart, you is kind and you is allowing stinkfuckers on your thread.

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If George banned people who could see through this BS, George wouldn't have a thread.
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Without some controversy . . .most threads would fail quickly . . . unless the topic is just too interesting to pass up. . . . few Threads succeed in duration, significance or volume . . . that is just the way it is . . . verysad
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And banning people just because they disagree is right how?
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She is SPREADING lies she has read online, because or her ignorance.

You can support her ignorance all you want George, but it will remain her ignorance.
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VT is very aware of what I think . . . I don't place requirements on people to think the way I think to be my friend or to communicate with them in a respectful and honest manner . . . coffee4
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So, she knows you disagree with her about what the trails are based on a lack of evidence.

OK, just clarifying.
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Some people FEEL their way through life the way others THINK they FIGURE their way through life. . . both often do quite well . . . Often both are correct about many things and wrong about most. . . .coffee4
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What a ridiculous cop-out!
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Windy . . . you are a hoot. . . .

:144:
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And George, you are one sadistic mother fucker.
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Nice to know I am loved by one and all. . . .grinning
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All George, you are as one to all. You is smart, you is kind and you is allowing stinkfuckers on your thread.
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Leave it to you for an editorial. . . .twirltwirl
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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VT is very aware of what I think . . . I don't place requirements on people to think the way I think to be my friend or to communicate with them in a respectful and honest manner . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


So, she knows you disagree with her about what the trails are based on a lack of evidence.

OK, just clarifying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


Some people FEEL their way through life the way others THINK they FIGURE their way through life. . . both often do quite well . . . Often both are correct about many things and wrong about most. . . .coffee4
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What a ridiculous cop-out!
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I suspect you figured that out. . . .applause2 No, it is what I believe . . . actually . . .

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Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

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This is what I think . . .

Why do people believe in conspiracies and specifically chemtrails?

1) Our history, literature, legends, entertainment, even our religions are replete with conspiracies . . .

2) Remember . . . Where more than two people are gathered . . . a conspiracy exists . . . LoL!!!

3) The world is obviously changing . . . instant communication, population density, technology, number and frequency of aircraft . . . and therefore, the greater chance to see persistent trails in the sky . . . and no one has convinced believers these trails cannot be chemtrails . . .

4) Trust of authority and their motives are at an all time low . . . i.e. "Just one in 10 Americans approves of the job Congress is doing, according to a Gallup poll released Tuesday, tying the branch's lowest approval rating in 38 years. Congress originally hit the 10 percent mark in February, before bouncing back several points."
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

5) Constant, heated and contentious debate exists over the state of global warming, global dimming, ozone depletion, and whether people are the major cause of a deteriorating climate and environment . . . or not. . . scientists have been effectively disenfranchised from their credibility in the public forum by lobbyists who have vested interests . . .

6) Atmospheric science is a complex and dynamic science . . . with infinite variability and unlimited sources of contamination, natural as well as man made . . .

7) In my opinion, when people were encouraged to observe the sky because of the chemtrail conspiracy . . . there was a significant realization . . . there was much more to see than people thought . . . I believe some people had a primeval moment . . . the sky was always the source of foreboding and early warning . . . Storm clouds, smoke, volcanic ash, dust storms, migrating fowl and seasonal changes . . . the sky is our crystal ball !!!!

8) Right or wrong . . . the conspiracy has a life of its own . . . no amount of argument or scientific theory will likely remove those who believe . . . from their conspiracy . . . because of their distrust of scientists, authority, primeval foreboding, and knowledge, experience and belief in conspiracies.

9) So debunkers by implying that those who believe in chemtrails are defective loons, stupid and uneducated is counter productive . . . the believers may well be the most honest and tuned-in group out there . . . you just don't understand them . . . shitstir2
 Quoting: George B



Wow, such a diplomat. I love how you completely avoided the point.

You can't even SUGGEST that the trails they see are just plain old persistent contrails.

I appreciate the lesson on conspiracies. Despite it's lack of relevance.

The fact remains, regardless of how you dance around it, that there is no evidence that these people are seeing anything more than contrails. I don't understand why I'm the bad guy (shill) for pointing out that undeniable truth.


Oh well, no one said conspiracy nuts are logical....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465

Why . . . The bad guy????. . . It is not what you say it is how you say it . . . You are almost without fail . . . demeaning, hateful, condescending, insulting, and spiteful . . . Beyond that you are just a nice guy on a mission. . . .grinning
 Quoting: George B


Only because of the way I am treated for posting the truth.

Do I deserve to be lied about (shill, disinfo agent, and such) for posting the fact that there is no evidence that ANY trail has been proven to be anything but a contrail? Or that people are posting images and videos of things they OBVIOUSLY don't understand in an effort to discredit the hard working people in the aviation industry?

No

I'm the good guy..

You are doing these people no favors.

It's all just a popularity contest for many people here. The truth just doesn't seem to matter.

Go ahead George, help them with their witch-hunt...even though it's obvious that you know they are mistaken about the trails.

You are not their friend.
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So, she knows you disagree with her about what the trails are based on a lack of evidence.

OK, just clarifying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


Some people FEEL their way through life the way others THINK they FIGURE their way through life. . . both often do quite well . . . Often both are correct about many things and wrong about most. . . .coffee4
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What a ridiculous cop-out!
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I suspect you figured that out. . . .applause2 No, it is what I believe . . . actually . . .
 Quoting: George B


So, you actually believe these people have "felt" there way in regard to the trails in the sky, and have done quite well, and aren't making assumptions based on a lack of education in certain subjects?!

I'm asking you specifically...not about "some people" this...and "some people" that...

Do you think VT is seeing "chemtrails" or contrails over Vermont. What is more likely?
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This is what I think . . .

Why do people believe in conspiracies and specifically chemtrails?

1) Our history, literature, legends, entertainment, even our religions are replete with conspiracies . . .

2) Remember . . . Where more than two people are gathered . . . a conspiracy exists . . . LoL!!!

3) The world is obviously changing . . . instant communication, population density, technology, number and frequency of aircraft . . . and therefore, the greater chance to see persistent trails in the sky . . . and no one has convinced believers these trails cannot be chemtrails . . .

4) Trust of authority and their motives are at an all time low . . . i.e. "Just one in 10 Americans approves of the job Congress is doing, according to a Gallup poll released Tuesday, tying the branch's lowest approval rating in 38 years. Congress originally hit the 10 percent mark in February, before bouncing back several points."
[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

5) Constant, heated and contentious debate exists over the state of global warming, global dimming, ozone depletion, and whether people are the major cause of a deteriorating climate and environment . . . or not. . . scientists have been effectively disenfranchised from their credibility in the public forum by lobbyists who have vested interests . . .

6) Atmospheric science is a complex and dynamic science . . . with infinite variability and unlimited sources of contamination, natural as well as man made . . .

7) In my opinion, when people were encouraged to observe the sky because of the chemtrail conspiracy . . . there was a significant realization . . . there was much more to see than people thought . . . I believe some people had a primeval moment . . . the sky was always the source of foreboding and early warning . . . Storm clouds, smoke, volcanic ash, dust storms, migrating fowl and seasonal changes . . . the sky is our crystal ball !!!!

8) Right or wrong . . . the conspiracy has a life of its own . . . no amount of argument or scientific theory will likely remove those who believe . . . from their conspiracy . . . because of their distrust of scientists, authority, primeval foreboding, and knowledge, experience and belief in conspiracies.

9) So debunkers by implying that those who believe in chemtrails are defective loons, stupid and uneducated is counter productive . . . the believers may well be the most honest and tuned-in group out there . . . you just don't understand them . . . shitstir2
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Wow, such a diplomat. I love how you completely avoided the point.

You can't even SUGGEST that the trails they see are just plain old persistent contrails.

I appreciate the lesson on conspiracies. Despite it's lack of relevance.

The fact remains, regardless of how you dance around it, that there is no evidence that these people are seeing anything more than contrails. I don't understand why I'm the bad guy (shill) for pointing out that undeniable truth.


Oh well, no one said conspiracy nuts are logical....
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Why . . . The bad guy????. . . It is not what you say it is how you say it . . . You are almost without fail . . . demeaning, hateful, condescending, insulting, and spiteful . . . Beyond that you are just a nice guy on a mission. . . .grinning
 Quoting: George B


Only because of the way I am treated for posting the truth.

Do I deserve to be lied about (shill, disinfo agent, and such) for posting the fact that there is no evidence that ANY trail has been proven to be anything but a contrail? Or that people are posting images and videos of things they OBVIOUSLY don't understand in an effort to discredit the hard working people in the aviation industry?

No

I'm the good guy..

You are doing these people no favors.

It's all just a popularity contest for many people here. The truth just doesn't seem to matter.

Go ahead George, help them with their witch-hunt...even though it's obvious that you know they are mistaken about the trails.

You are not their friend.
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If you are armed as you contend you are with the truth, science and the American way you have the higher ground . . . there is no need to be insulting no matter how they respond . . . flag waver
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Wow, such a diplomat. I love how you completely avoided the point.

You can't even SUGGEST that the trails they see are just plain old persistent contrails.

I appreciate the lesson on conspiracies. Despite it's lack of relevance.

The fact remains, regardless of how you dance around it, that there is no evidence that these people are seeing anything more than contrails. I don't understand why I'm the bad guy (shill) for pointing out that undeniable truth.


Oh well, no one said conspiracy nuts are logical....
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Why . . . The bad guy????. . . It is not what you say it is how you say it . . . You are almost without fail . . . demeaning, hateful, condescending, insulting, and spiteful . . . Beyond that you are just a nice guy on a mission. . . .grinning
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Only because of the way I am treated for posting the truth.

Do I deserve to be lied about (shill, disinfo agent, and such) for posting the fact that there is no evidence that ANY trail has been proven to be anything but a contrail? Or that people are posting images and videos of things they OBVIOUSLY don't understand in an effort to discredit the hard working people in the aviation industry?

No

I'm the good guy..

You are doing these people no favors.

It's all just a popularity contest for many people here. The truth just doesn't seem to matter.

Go ahead George, help them with their witch-hunt...even though it's obvious that you know they are mistaken about the trails.

You are not their friend.
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If you are armed as you contend you are with the truth, science and the American way you have the higher ground . . . there is no need to be insulting no matter how they respond . . . flag waver
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I never said there was a legitimate need.

Could be that I'm just as immature as they are...

But George, don't pretend to have the higher ground yourself. You are quite insulting..

Yeah, I know...I deserve it...

Please refer to your above post.
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Why do you allow the "stinkfuckers" comment to remain, but delete my reply?
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Some people FEEL their way through life the way others THINK they FIGURE their way through life. . . both often do quite well . . . Often both are correct about many things and wrong about most. . . .coffee4
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So, you actually believe these people have "felt" there way in regard to the trails in the sky, and have done quite well, and aren't making assumptions based on a lack of education in certain subjects?!

I'm asking you specifically...not about "some people" this...and "some people" that...

Do you think VT is seeing "chemtrails" or contrails over Vermont. What is more likely?
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I have had this discussion with VT on a few occasions . . . she feels she is experiencing something I have not experienced . . . not trying to put words in her mouth but she feels she has special knowledge and I can accept and respect that . . . so I have NOT seen persistent trails in the sky that convince me they are chemtrails but I have seen things I cannot explain and wondered how they happened . . . verycool

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Your demeaning reference to a woman was over my threshold of acceptance . . . coffee4

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Why . . . The bad guy????. . . It is not what you say it is how you say it . . . You are almost without fail . . . demeaning, hateful, condescending, insulting, and spiteful . . . Beyond that you are just a nice guy on a mission. . . .grinning
 Quoting: George B


Only because of the way I am treated for posting the truth.

Do I deserve to be lied about (shill, disinfo agent, and such) for posting the fact that there is no evidence that ANY trail has been proven to be anything but a contrail? Or that people are posting images and videos of things they OBVIOUSLY don't understand in an effort to discredit the hard working people in the aviation industry?

No

I'm the good guy..

You are doing these people no favors.

It's all just a popularity contest for many people here. The truth just doesn't seem to matter.

Go ahead George, help them with their witch-hunt...even though it's obvious that you know they are mistaken about the trails.

You are not their friend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211465


If you are armed as you contend you are with the truth, science and the American way you have the higher ground . . . there is no need to be insulting no matter how they respond . . . flag waver
 Quoting: George B


I never said there was a legitimate need.

Could be that I'm just as immature as they are...

But George, don't pretend to have the higher ground yourself. You are quite insulting..

Yeah, I know...I deserve it...

Please refer to your above post.
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I said you were a nice guy on a mission . . . what else do you want????huffy
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

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Why do you allow the "stinkfuckers" comment to remain, but delete my reply?
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Your demeaning reference to a woman was over my threshold of acceptance . . . coffee4
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George is female - I figured as much. Probably a sadistic USAF nurse. I've seen her kind before.
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anyone with even one working eye can observe the shit being spewed in the sky every day

cunts are blocking the sunlight for one thing - everything needs sunlight

only a blind man could miss it
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anyone with even one working eye can observe the shit being spewed in the sky every day

cunts are blocking the sunlight for one thing - everything needs sunlight

only a blind man could miss it
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I say, good! Nothing grows in the shade and Canuk women are too damn fat as it is. They're big enough already.

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