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If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

 
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Why do you allow the "stinkfuckers" comment to remain, but delete my reply?
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Your demeaning reference to a woman was over my threshold of acceptance . . . coffee4
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George is female - I figured as much. Probably a sadistic USAF nurse. I've seen her kind before.
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another do

Sorry, wrong as usual . . .
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anyone with even one working eye can observe the shit being spewed in the sky every day

cunts are blocking the sunlight for one thing - everything needs sunlight

only a blind man could miss it
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So you think it is a conspiracy to promote global dimming and reduce food production?coffee4Canadian F

Last Edited by George B on 03/29/2013 01:45 PM
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anyone with even one working eye can observe the shit being spewed in the sky every day

cunts are blocking the sunlight for one thing - everything needs sunlight

only a blind man could miss it
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So you think it is a conspiracy to promote global dimming and reduce food production?coffee4Canadian F
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Ahhh, the stupid is strong in this one - along with the evil.
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Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?
anyone with even one working eye can observe the shit being spewed in the sky every day

cunts are blocking the sunlight for one thing - everything needs sunlight

only a blind man could miss it
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So you think it is a conspiracy to promote global dimming and reduce food production?coffee4Canadian F
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Interesting you should point to global dimming . . .

1) The decade of 1990s had a dip in stratospheric aerosols. This dip (see below) was caused by the clearing of the atmosphere in the 90s.

"Hofmann and coworkers (12–14) argued that the “background” stratospheric aerosol layer increased by 5- 9%/year through the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s, and again at about 5-7% in the 2000s. However, in the 1990s stratospheric aerosols decreased by similar magnitudes. "
[link to junksciencecom.files.wordpress.com]


2) Within the same article cited above are definitive statements that stratospheric particulate (aerosols) increased during the late 1990s - 2000s effectively reversing the negative trend in the early 1990s using three different methods . . .


"Multiple instruments have been used at Mauna Loa for estimating or measuring total aerosol optical depth and atmospheric transmission. Here we present observations taken there on the cleanest days, when much of the aerosol burden likely resides in the stratosphere. Figure 2 shows three independent data records that all indicate increases in aerosol optical depth (or, equivalently, decreases in transmission) at Mauna Loa from the late 1990s to the late 2000s: from ground-based transmission data using the pyrheliometer ratioing methodology (20, 21), a Precision Filter Radiometer [1999 to date (22)], and a stratospheric lidar (14). Figure 2 compares these data to the mean tropical and global stratospheric aerosol optical depths from combined satellite observations by the Stratospheric Aerosol and Gas Experiment (SAGE) II (1990–2005), Global Ozone Monitoring by Occultation of Stars (GOMOS, 2002-2009) and the CALIPSO lidar (2006–2010), see (16, 17, 23–25); the overlapping periods of the different satellite instruments allow accurate quantification of the trends over time (17). The four independent data sets from satellite, lidar, total transmission, and aerosol optical depth as shown in Fig. 2 jointly support the view that the “background” stratospheric aerosol layer has changed significantly over about the past decade [see (25)]."

[link to junksciencecom.files.wordpress.com]

[link to data.giss.nasa.gov]

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Why do you allow the "stinkfuckers" comment to remain, but delete my reply?
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Your demeaning reference to a woman was over my threshold of acceptance . . . coffee4
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Not good enough..you don't find "stinkfuckers" demeaning?!

George, you are the most dishonest person I have ver encounterd.

Can't post here...

Censorship is disgusting.

Especially when it's so blatantly one sided.

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And you allow the same demeaning word from a chemtard...

Wow.


Poor George....
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Why do you allow the "stinkfuckers" comment to remain, but delete my reply?
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Your demeaning reference to a woman was over my threshold of acceptance . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Not good enough..you don't find "stinkfuckers" demeaning?!

George, you are the most dishonest person I have ver encounterd.

Can't post here...

Censorship is disgusting.

Especially when it's so blatantly one sided.

Bye
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byekitty
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And you allow the same demeaning word from a chemtard...

Wow.


Poor George....
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It was not the same word and it was used differently . . . it was used to demean a person simply because they were a woman . . . this is my Thread and I will manage it as I see fit . . . too bad so sad . . . yoda

Last Edited by George B on 03/29/2013 03:00 PM
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Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Interesting you should point to global dimming . . .

1) The decade of 1990s had a dip in stratospheric aerosols. This dip (see below) was caused by the clearing of the atmosphere in the 90s.

"Hofmann and coworkers (12–14) argued that the “background” stratospheric aerosol layer increased by 5- 9%/year through the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s, and again at about 5-7% in the 2000s. However, in the 1990s stratospheric aerosols decreased by similar magnitudes. "
[link to junksciencecom.files.wordpress.com]


2) Within the same article cited above are definitive statements that stratospheric particulate (aerosols) increased during the late 1990s - 2000s effectively reversing the negative trend in the early 1990s using three different methods . . .


"Multiple instruments have been used at Mauna Loa for estimating or measuring total aerosol optical depth and atmospheric transmission. Here we present observations taken there on the cleanest days, when much of the aerosol burden likely resides in the stratosphere. Figure 2 shows three independent data records that all indicate increases in aerosol optical depth (or, equivalently, decreases in transmission) at Mauna Loa from the late 1990s to the late 2000s: from ground-based transmission data using the pyrheliometer ratioing methodology (20, 21), a Precision Filter Radiometer [1999 to date (22)], and a stratospheric lidar (14). Figure 2 compares these data to the mean tropical and global stratospheric aerosol optical depths from combined satellite observations by the Stratospheric Aerosol and Gas Experiment (SAGE) II (1990–2005), Global Ozone Monitoring by Occultation of Stars (GOMOS, 2002-2009) and the CALIPSO lidar (2006–2010), see (16, 17, 23–25); the overlapping periods of the different satellite instruments allow accurate quantification of the trends over time (17). The four independent data sets from satellite, lidar, total transmission, and aerosol optical depth as shown in Fig. 2 jointly support the view that the “background” stratospheric aerosol layer has changed significantly over about the past decade [see (25)]."

[link to junksciencecom.files.wordpress.com]

[link to data.giss.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: George B


Okay. Stratospheric aerosols are variable. What is the point? Doesn't have anything to do with contrails.

"Figure 1 suggests that it may be difficult if not
impossible to define a “background” that is not affected to
some degree by volcanic inputs over the past decade."
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anyone with even one working eye can observe the shit being spewed in the sky every day

cunts are blocking the sunlight for one thing - everything needs sunlight

only a blind man could miss it
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37081348


So you think it is a conspiracy to promote global dimming and reduce food production?coffee4Canadian F
 Quoting: George B


Interesting you should point to global dimming . . .

1) The decade of 1990s had a dip in stratospheric aerosols. This dip (see below) was caused by the clearing of the atmosphere in the 90s.

"Hofmann and coworkers (12–14) argued that the “background” stratospheric aerosol layer increased by 5- 9%/year through the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s, and again at about 5-7% in the 2000s. However, in the 1990s stratospheric aerosols decreased by similar magnitudes. "
[link to junksciencecom.files.wordpress.com]


2) Within the same article cited above are definitive statements that stratospheric particulate (aerosols) increased during the late 1990s - 2000s effectively reversing the negative trend in the early 1990s using three different methods . . .


"Multiple instruments have been used at Mauna Loa for estimating or measuring total aerosol optical depth and atmospheric transmission. Here we present observations taken there on the cleanest days, when much of the aerosol burden likely resides in the stratosphere. Figure 2 shows three independent data records that all indicate increases in aerosol optical depth (or, equivalently, decreases in transmission) at Mauna Loa from the late 1990s to the late 2000s: from ground-based transmission data using the pyrheliometer ratioing methodology (20, 21), a Precision Filter Radiometer [1999 to date (22)], and a stratospheric lidar (14). Figure 2 compares these data to the mean tropical and global stratospheric aerosol optical depths from combined satellite observations by the Stratospheric Aerosol and Gas Experiment (SAGE) II (1990–2005), Global Ozone Monitoring by Occultation of Stars (GOMOS, 2002-2009) and the CALIPSO lidar (2006–2010), see (16, 17, 23–25); the overlapping periods of the different satellite instruments allow accurate quantification of the trends over time (17). The four independent data sets from satellite, lidar, total transmission, and aerosol optical depth as shown in Fig. 2 jointly support the view that the “background” stratospheric aerosol layer has changed significantly over about the past decade [see (25)]."

[link to junksciencecom.files.wordpress.com]

[link to data.giss.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: George B


So what happened at the end of the 1990s . . . say 1999 until 2010 . . . ??? An increase in stratospheric particulate . . . mostly Sulfur Dioxide . . . but no major volcanic eruptions . . . Hmmmmm. . . what could have happened?verycool
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If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

The Shills on this site , pretending that it is normal. Too many, too adamant , too fake.

The Shills on this site have convinced me of the reality of chemtrails and aerosol operations, beyond doubt.


Thank you shills, you really do have a purpose in life.
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Okay. Stratospheric aerosols are variable. What is the point? Doesn't have anything to do with contrails.

"Figure 1 suggests that it may be difficult if not
impossible to define a “background” that is not affected to
some degree by volcanic inputs over the past decade."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183


NOAA study: Increase in particles high in Earth’s atmosphere has offset some recent climate warming

July 21, 2011

A recent increase in the abundance of particles high in the atmosphere has offset about a third of the current climate warming influence of carbon dioxide (CO2) change during the past decade, according to a new study led by NOAA and published today in the online edition of Science

“Stratospheric aerosol increased surprisingly rapidly in that time, almost doubling during the decade,” Daniel said. “The increase in aerosols since 2000 implies a cooling effect of about 0.1 watts per square meter – enough to offset some of the 0.28 watts per square meter warming effect from the carbon dioxide increase during that same period.”
Sources of aerosols reach the stratosphere from above and below as shown in the graph. Sulfur dioxide (SO2), carbonyl sulfide (OCS), and dimethyl sulfide(DMS) are the dominant surface emissions which contribute to aerosol formation.
[link to www.noaanews.noaa.gov]


My NOTE: There is no evidence the sulfur compounds are all from surface emissions . . . why . . . they were measured in or near the stratosphere . . . coffee4

Sulfur Graph



More particulate in the stratosphere than can be explained = (unknown source) + declining ground sources - major volcanic eruptions

(unknown source) = some unknown volcanic activity

Or possibly

(unknown source) = intentional aerosol injection program
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The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Okay. Stratospheric aerosols are variable. What is the point? Doesn't have anything to do with contrails.

"Figure 1 suggests that it may be difficult if not
impossible to define a “background” that is not affected to
some degree by volcanic inputs over the past decade."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183



"The reasons for the 10-year increase in stratospheric aerosols are not fully understood and are the subject of ongoing research, says coauthor Ryan Neely, with the University of Colorado and the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences (CIRES). Likely suspects are natural sources – smaller volcanic eruptions – and/or human activities, which could have emitted the sulfur-containing gases, such as sulfur dioxide, that react in the atmosphere to form reflective aerosol particles."
[link to www.noaanews.noaa.gov]



More particulate in the stratosphere than can be explained = (unknown source) + declining ground sources - major volcanic eruptions

(unknown source) = some unknown volcanic activity

Or possibly

(unknown source) = intentional aerosol injection program

Last Edited by George B on 03/29/2013 02:53 PM
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If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

The Shills on this site , pretending that it is normal. Too many, too adamant , too fake.

The Shills on this site have convinced me of the reality of chemtrails and aerosol operations, beyond doubt.


Thank you shills, you really do have a purpose in life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33733767


It does give one pause does it not . . . however, I have found that the debunkers are just as passionate about their position as the Chemtrail Conspiracy Advocates are for their cause . . . ohnoslaphim
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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anyone with even one working eye can observe the shit being spewed in the sky every day

cunts are blocking the sunlight for one thing - everything needs sunlight

only a blind man could miss it
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37081348


So you think it is a conspiracy to promote global dimming and reduce food production?coffee4Canadian F
 Quoting: George B


Interesting you should point to global dimming . . .

1) The decade of 1990s had a dip in stratospheric aerosols. This dip (see below) was caused by the clearing of the atmosphere in the 90s.

"Hofmann and coworkers (12–14) argued that the “background” stratospheric aerosol layer increased by 5- 9%/year through the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s, and again at about 5-7% in the 2000s. However, in the 1990s stratospheric aerosols decreased by similar magnitudes. "
[link to junksciencecom.files.wordpress.com]


2) Within the same article cited above are definitive statements that stratospheric particulate (aerosols) increased during the late 1990s - 2000s effectively reversing the negative trend in the early 1990s using three different methods . . .


"Multiple instruments have been used at Mauna Loa for estimating or measuring total aerosol optical depth and atmospheric transmission. Here we present observations taken there on the cleanest days, when much of the aerosol burden likely resides in the stratosphere. Figure 2 shows three independent data records that all indicate increases in aerosol optical depth (or, equivalently, decreases in transmission) at Mauna Loa from the late 1990s to the late 2000s: from ground-based transmission data using the pyrheliometer ratioing methodology (20, 21), a Precision Filter Radiometer [1999 to date (22)], and a stratospheric lidar (14). Figure 2 compares these data to the mean tropical and global stratospheric aerosol optical depths from combined satellite observations by the Stratospheric Aerosol and Gas Experiment (SAGE) II (1990–2005), Global Ozone Monitoring by Occultation of Stars (GOMOS, 2002-2009) and the CALIPSO lidar (2006–2010), see (16, 17, 23–25); the overlapping periods of the different satellite instruments allow accurate quantification of the trends over time (17). The four independent data sets from satellite, lidar, total transmission, and aerosol optical depth as shown in Fig. 2 jointly support the view that the “background” stratospheric aerosol layer has changed significantly over about the past decade [see (25)]."

[link to junksciencecom.files.wordpress.com]

[link to data.giss.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: George B


So what happened at the end of the 1990s . . . say 1999 until 2010 . . . ??? An increase in stratospheric particulate . . . mostly Sulfur Dioxide . . . but no major volcanic eruptions . . . Hmmmmm. . . what could have happened?verycool
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Again, what is your point?
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Okay. Stratospheric aerosols are variable. What is the point? Doesn't have anything to do with contrails.

"Figure 1 suggests that it may be difficult if not
impossible to define a “background” that is not affected to
some degree by volcanic inputs over the past decade."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183



"The reasons for the 10-year increase in stratospheric aerosols are not fully understood and are the subject of ongoing research, says coauthor Ryan Neely, with the University of Colorado and the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences (CIRES). Likely suspects are natural sources – smaller volcanic eruptions – and/or human activities, which could have emitted the sulfur-containing gases, such as sulfur dioxide, that react in the atmosphere to form reflective aerosol particles."
[link to www.noaanews.noaa.gov]



More particulate in the stratosphere than can be explained = (unknown source) + declining ground sources - major volcanic eruptions

(unknown source) = some unknown volcanic activity

Or possibly

(unknown source) = intentional aerosol injection program
 Quoting: George B


Yeah, volcanoes are the only source of sulfur...

Fucking moron.
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If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

The Shills on this site , pretending that it is normal. Too many, too adamant , too fake.

The Shills on this site have convinced me of the reality of chemtrails and aerosol operations, beyond doubt.


Thank you shills, you really do have a purpose in life.
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What is your science background? What do you really know about contrail formation? My guess, you won't bother to answer since you have none and don't know how contrails form.
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If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

The Shills on this site , pretending that it is normal. Too many, too adamant , too fake.

The Shills on this site have convinced me of the reality of chemtrails and aerosol operations, beyond doubt.


Thank you shills, you really do have a purpose in life.
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Yeah..the old, " I must be right because others say I'm wrong" reinforcement,...a classic.


laugh
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Okay. Stratospheric aerosols are variable. What is the point? Doesn't have anything to do with contrails.

"Figure 1 suggests that it may be difficult if not
impossible to define a “background” that is not affected to
some degree by volcanic inputs over the past decade."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183



"The reasons for the 10-year increase in stratospheric aerosols are not fully understood and are the subject of ongoing research, says coauthor Ryan Neely, with the University of Colorado and the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences (CIRES). Likely suspects are natural sources – smaller volcanic eruptions – and/or human activities, which could have emitted the sulfur-containing gases, such as sulfur dioxide, that react in the atmosphere to form reflective aerosol particles."
[link to www.noaanews.noaa.gov]



More particulate in the stratosphere than can be explained = (unknown source) + declining ground sources - major volcanic eruptions

(unknown source) = some unknown volcanic activity

Or possibly

(unknown source) = intentional aerosol injection program
 Quoting: George B


Yeah, volcanoes are the only source of sulfur...

Fucking moron.
 Quoting: George B


Not according to NOAA . . . and we are talking about sulfur compounds of all types . . . coffee4
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My NOTE: There is no evidence the sulfur compounds are all from surface emissions . . . why . . . they were measured in or near the stratosphere . . .
 Quoting: George B



The reference you quote says

"The lack of major eruptions since 1991 has made the
identification of this input much clearer than earlier
measurements, but the data do not rule out some contribution
to the increases in the stratospheric aerosol burden from
anthropogenic sources [such as coal burning, see (14) as
well]."
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So you think it is a conspiracy to promote global dimming and reduce food production?coffee4Canadian F
 Quoting: George B


Interesting you should point to global dimming . . .

1) The decade of 1990s had a dip in stratospheric aerosols. This dip (see below) was caused by the clearing of the atmosphere in the 90s.

"Hofmann and coworkers (12–14) argued that the “background” stratospheric aerosol layer increased by 5- 9%/year through the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s, and again at about 5-7% in the 2000s. However, in the 1990s stratospheric aerosols decreased by similar magnitudes. "
[link to junksciencecom.files.wordpress.com]


2) Within the same article cited above are definitive statements that stratospheric particulate (aerosols) increased during the late 1990s - 2000s effectively reversing the negative trend in the early 1990s using three different methods . . .


"Multiple instruments have been used at Mauna Loa for estimating or measuring total aerosol optical depth and atmospheric transmission. Here we present observations taken there on the cleanest days, when much of the aerosol burden likely resides in the stratosphere. Figure 2 shows three independent data records that all indicate increases in aerosol optical depth (or, equivalently, decreases in transmission) at Mauna Loa from the late 1990s to the late 2000s: from ground-based transmission data using the pyrheliometer ratioing methodology (20, 21), a Precision Filter Radiometer [1999 to date (22)], and a stratospheric lidar (14). Figure 2 compares these data to the mean tropical and global stratospheric aerosol optical depths from combined satellite observations by the Stratospheric Aerosol and Gas Experiment (SAGE) II (1990–2005), Global Ozone Monitoring by Occultation of Stars (GOMOS, 2002-2009) and the CALIPSO lidar (2006–2010), see (16, 17, 23–25); the overlapping periods of the different satellite instruments allow accurate quantification of the trends over time (17). The four independent data sets from satellite, lidar, total transmission, and aerosol optical depth as shown in Fig. 2 jointly support the view that the “background” stratospheric aerosol layer has changed significantly over about the past decade [see (25)]."

[link to junksciencecom.files.wordpress.com]

[link to data.giss.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: George B


So what happened at the end of the 1990s . . . say 1999 until 2010 . . . ??? An increase in stratospheric particulate . . . mostly Sulfur Dioxide . . . but no major volcanic eruptions . . . Hmmmmm. . . what could have happened?verycool
 Quoting: George B


Again, what is your point?
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"The reasons for the 10-year increase in stratospheric aerosols are not fully understood and are the subject of ongoing research, says coauthor Ryan Neely, with the University of Colorado and the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences (CIRES). Likely suspects are natural sources – smaller volcanic eruptions – and/or human activities, which could have emitted the sulfur-containing gases, such as sulfur dioxide, that react in the atmosphere to form reflective aerosol particles."
[link to www.noaanews.noaa.gov]



More particulate in the stratosphere than can be explained = (unknown source) + declining ground sources - major volcanic eruptions

(unknown source) = some unknown volcanic activity

Or possibly

(unknown source) = intentional aerosol injection program
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My NOTE: There is no evidence the sulfur compounds are all from surface emissions . . . why . . . they were measured in or near the stratosphere . . .
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The reference you quote says

"The lack of major eruptions since 1991 has made the
identification of this input much clearer than earlier
measurements, but the data do not rule out some contribution
to the increases in the stratospheric aerosol burden from
anthropogenic sources [such as coal burning, see (14) as
well]."
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Sure . . . they accept ground sources as a possible source (which is not highly likely) but never consider intentional Aerosol Injection into the Stratosphere because it never crossed their mind . . . to them it is not an option because no one says it is happening . . . coffee4
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"The reasons for the 10-year increase in stratospheric aerosols are not fully understood and are the subject of ongoing research, says coauthor Ryan Neely, with the University of Colorado and the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences (CIRES). Likely suspects are natural sources – smaller volcanic eruptions – and/or human activities, which could have emitted the sulfur-containing gases, such as sulfur dioxide, that react in the atmosphere to form reflective aerosol particles."
[link to www.noaanews.noaa.gov]



More particulate in the stratosphere than can be explained = (unknown source) + declining ground sources - major volcanic eruptions

(unknown source) = some unknown volcanic activity

Or possibly

(unknown source) = intentional aerosol injection program
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Yeah, volcanoes are the only source of sulfur...

Fucking moron.
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Not according to NOAA . . . and we are talking about sulfur compounds of all types . . . coffee4
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Apparently you don't have your sarcasm detector on...
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My NOTE: There is no evidence the sulfur compounds are all from surface emissions . . . why . . . they were measured in or near the stratosphere . . .
 Quoting: George B



The reference you quote says

"The lack of major eruptions since 1991 has made the
identification of this input much clearer than earlier
measurements, but the data do not rule out some contribution
to the increases in the stratospheric aerosol burden from
anthropogenic sources [such as coal burning, see (14) as
well]."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183


Sure . . . they accept ground sources as a possible source (which is not highly likely) but never consider intentional Aerosol Injection into the Stratosphere because it never crossed their mind . . . to them it is not an option because no one says it is happening . . . coffee4
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Why is it " not highly likely"?!

Because you say so?!
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Yeah, volcanoes are the only source of sulfur...

Fucking moron.
 Quoting: George B


Not according to NOAA . . . and we are talking about sulfur compounds of all types . . . coffee4
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


Apparently you don't have your sarcasm detector on...
 Quoting: George B


Noted . . . however, the difficulty of ground source sulfur reaching the stratosphere in the quantities required except through volcanic high altitude injection is very limited . . . coffee4
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Not according to NOAA . . . and we are talking about sulfur compounds of all types . . . coffee4
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Apparently you don't have your sarcasm detector on...
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Noted . . . however, the difficulty of ground source sulfur reaching the stratosphere in the quantities required except through volcanic high altitude injection is very limited . . . coffee4
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Yeah, "very".

How about this George?
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"The reasons for the 10-year increase in stratospheric aerosols are not fully understood and are the subject of ongoing research, says coauthor Ryan Neely, with the University of Colorado and the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences (CIRES). Likely suspects are natural sources – smaller volcanic eruptions – and/or human activities, which could have emitted the sulfur-containing gases, such as sulfur dioxide, that react in the atmosphere to form reflective aerosol particles."
[link to www.noaanews.noaa.gov]



More particulate in the stratosphere than can be explained = (unknown source) + declining ground sources - major volcanic eruptions

(unknown source) = some unknown volcanic activity

Or possibly

(unknown source) = intentional aerosol injection program
 Quoting: George B


Yeah, volcanoes are the only source of sulfur...

Fucking moron.
 Quoting: George B


Not according to NOAA . . . and we are talking about sulfur compounds of all types . . . coffee4
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064




Dimethylsulphide (DMS) emissions from the West Pacific Ocean: a potential marine source for the stratospheric sulphur layer

[link to www.atmos-chem-phys-discuss.net]
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Some people FEEL their way through life the way others THINK they FIGURE their way through life. . . both often do quite well . . . Often both are correct about many things and wrong about most. . . .coffee4
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What a ridiculous cop-out!
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I suspect you figured that out. . . .applause2 No, it is what I believe . . . actually . . .
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So, you actually believe these people have "felt" there way in regard to the trails in the sky, and have done quite well, and aren't making assumptions based on a lack of education in certain subjects?!

I'm asking you specifically...not about "some people" this...and "some people" that...

Do you think VT is seeing "chemtrails" or contrails over Vermont. What is more likely?
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I'm kind of puzzled as to why you are asking George B what I see. To answer your question- man/woman behind the curtain, yes I've seen plenty of chemtrails in Vermont, as well as in numerous other states. Maybe I should take Snake up on his offer to meet at xxxxxxxx Park so we can watch sunset chemtrails together. He will be another witness.
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I'm kind of puzzled as to why you are asking George B what I see. To answer your question- man/woman behind the curtain, yes I've seen plenty of chemtrails in Vermont, as well as in numerous other states. Maybe I should take Snake up on his offer to meet at xxxxxxxx Park so we can watch sunset chemtrails together. He will be another witness.
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What makes you think they are chemtrails?

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