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If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

 
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Have you ever gone to and oxygen bar George? I imagine it would be a pleasant experience. I have only seen one in Boulder.
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Your brain could certainly use some....
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lame 1rof1
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No, what's "lame" is that there are a bunch of paranoid fools in the world who believe that the trails in the sky are anything more than water vapor and combustion gases despite a complete lack of evidence.


There is nothing paranoid about noticing chemtrails. what would be lame is thinking that everything is a contrail that's coming from behind the plane.

Don't you think that by now people are on to what you are
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ing to debunk?

May as well give it up, it is useless, these shill post, all the same, all meaningless.


The problem is, I see no evidence that what you are referring to aren't contrails.

What's lame s believing that a trail contains chemicals just because of the way it looks.

And no, I don't think you
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have a clue about anything.

But please, continue posting ignorant nonsense. And I'll continue to point it out.


Anyone reading through your posts would assume you are the clueless one. All you tout are contrails and some fear you have of fear. spam On a pretty limited script obviously. Trade your disinfo manual in for a new o
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hemtrails are real!!!!!!!!

Awe, go ahead.......hit send post with your favorite lines of ad hom, condensation, useless rhetoric......it's all in a days pay. rofl
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I never said that . . . I said the increase in CO2 was one of the three things atmospheric Scientists would agree on . . . another do
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But george, we ARE discussing contrails...who asked you anything about CO2?

And why didn't you mention your favorite, sulfur?
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Do I have to explain everything to you!!! . . . I was making a point that scientist agree on very little . . . but one thing they do not question is that cirrus clouds have a net warming effect . . . and of course along with CO2 has increased . . . huffy

Oh yeah . . . sulfur is their ace in the hole . . . if all else fails they can inject sulfur into the stratosphere if they haven't already . . . wakeup
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George, you are in no position to explain anything.

You brought up CO2 when we were discussing what scientists believe the danger associated with contrails and contrail cirrus might be. CO2 is ALWAYS a danger...I was talking about the physical manifestation of the trails themselves. Which, science doesn't seem all that worried about...
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You are wrong as usual . . . scientist are very aware of the issues regarding cirrus cloud banks . . . the question is what % of cirrus becomes too much . . . as long as dissipation keeps them a small % of total coverage of the earth's surface . . . the question becomes how much radiative forcing becomes critical . . . and when might this happen . .

. Trail Map 192-20
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No, what's "lame" is that there are a bunch of paranoid fools in the world who believe that the trails in the sky are anything more than water vapor and combustion gases despite a complete lack of evidence.
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There is nothing paranoid about noticing chemtrails. what would be lame is thinking that everything is a contrail that's coming from behind the plane.

Don't you think that by now people are on to what you are attempting to debunk?

May as well give it up, it is useless, these shill post, all the same, all meaningless.
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The problem is, I see no evidence that what you are referring to aren't contrails.

What's lame s believing that a trail contains chemicals just because of the way it looks.

And no, I don't think you people have a clue about anything.

But please, continue posting ignorant nonsense. And I'll continue to point it out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


Anyone reading through your posts would assume you are the clueless one. All you tout are contrails and some fear you have of fear. spam On a pretty limited script obviously. Trade your disinfo manual in for a new one.

Chemtrails are real!!!!!!!!

Awe, go ahead.......hit send post with your favorite lines of ad hom, condensation, useless rhetoric......it's all in a days pay. rofl
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But george, we ARE discussing contrails...who asked you anything about CO2?

And why didn't you mention your favorite, sulfur?
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Do I have to explain everything to you!!! . . . I was making a point that scientist agree on very little . . . but one thing they do not question is that cirrus clouds have a net warming effect . . . and of course along with CO2 has increased . . . huffy

Oh yeah . . . sulfur is their ace in the hole . . . if all else fails they can inject sulfur into the stratosphere if they haven't already . . . wakeup
 Quoting: George B


George, you are in no position to explain anything.

You brought up CO2 when we were discussing what scientists believe the danger associated with contrails and contrail cirrus might be. CO2 is ALWAYS a danger...I was talking about the physical manifestation of the trails themselves. Which, science doesn't seem all that worried about...
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You are wrong as usual . . . scientist are very aware of the issues regarding cirrus cloud banks . . . the question is what % of cirrus becomes too much . . . as long as dissipation keeps them a small % of total coverage of the earth's surface . . . the question becomes how much radiative forcing becomes critical . . . and when might this happen . .

. :Trail Map 192-20:
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Wrong huh?! I wrote "doesn't seem all that worried"

If it were huge problem...it would have been stopped by now...

You are too busy looking 50 years into future that you ignore the REAL Problems we face right now.

You have NO IDEA what future technology will do for aviation and the problem of contrail cirrus.

And George, you should step off your high horse..you have been wrong...a lot!!!
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There is nothing paranoid about noticing chemtrails. what would be lame is thinking that everything is a contrail that's coming from behind the plane.

Don't you think that by now people are on to what you are attempting to debunk?

May as well give it up, it is useless, these shill post, all the same, all meaningless.
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The problem is, I see no evidence that what you are referring to aren't contrails.

What's lame s believing that a trail contains chemicals just because of the way it looks.

And no, I don't think you people have a clue about anything.

But please, continue posting ignorant nonsense. And I'll continue to point it out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


Anyone reading through your posts would assume you are the clueless one. All you tout are contrails and some fear you have of fear. spam On a pretty limited script obviously. Trade your disinfo manual in for a new one.

Chemtrails are real!!!!!!!!

Awe, go ahead.......hit send post with your favorite lines of ad hom, condensation, useless rhetoric......it's all in a days pay. rofl
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36419852


And anyone with intelligence reading through chemtard posts SHOULD be concerned about a complete lack of evidence to support what you expel claim.

Just look at your own post...accusations, statements of fact...with NOTHING to support them but your own belief...which s based on a lack of education in aviation and science.

Chemtrails may very well be real...but how do you know you have actually seen a single one...you don't.
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The problem is, I see no evidence that what you are referring to aren't contrails.

What's lame s believing that a trail contains chemicals just because of the way it looks.

And no, I don't think you people have a clue about anything.

But please, continue posting ignorant nonsense. And I'll continue to point it out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


Anyone reading through your posts would assume you are the clueless one. All you tout are contrails and some fear you have of fear. spam On a pretty limited script obviously. Trade your disinfo manual in for a new one.

Chemtrails are real!!!!!!!!

Awe, go ahead.......hit send post with your favorite lines of ad hom, condensation, useless rhetoric......it's all in a days pay. rofl
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36419852


And anyone with intelligence reading through chemtard posts SHOULD be concerned about a complete lack of evidence to support what you expel claim.

Just look at your own post...accusations, statements of fact...with NOTHING to support them but your own belief...which s based on a lack of education in aviation and science.

Chemtrails may very well be real...but how do you know you have actually seen a single one...you don't.
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Expel = people

iPad is acting up...and I'm a horrible typist.
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There is nothing paranoid about noticing chemtrails. what would be lame is thinking that everything is a contrail that's coming from behind the plane.

Don't you think that by now people are on to what you are attempting to debunk?

May as well give it up, it is useless, these shill post, all the same, all meaningless.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37139942


The problem is, I see no evidence that what you are referring to aren't contrails.

What's lame s believing that a trail contains chemicals just because of the way it looks.

And no, I don't think you people have a clue about anything.

But please, continue posting ignorant nonsense. And I'll continue to point it out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


Anyone reading through your posts would assume you are the clueless one. All you tout are contrails and some fear you have of fear. spam On a pretty limited script obviously. Trade your disinfo manual in for a new one.

Chemtrails are real!!!!!!!!

Awe, go ahead.......hit send post with your favorite lines of ad hom, condensation, useless rhetoric......it's all in a days pay. rofl
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36419852

"Condensation"

chuckle

Oh, the irony!
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The problem is, I see no evidence that what you are referring to aren't contrails.

What's lame s believing that a trail contains chemicals just because of the way it looks.

And no, I don't think you people have a clue about anything.

But please, continue posting ignorant nonsense. And I'll continue to point it out.
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Anyone reading through your posts would assume you are the clueless one. All you tout are contrails and some fear you have of fear. spam On a pretty limited script obviously. Trade your disinfo manual in for a new one.

Chemtrails are real!!!!!!!!

Awe, go ahead.......hit send post with your favorite lines of ad hom, condensation, useless rhetoric......it's all in a days pay. rofl
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36419852


And anyone with intelligence reading through chemtard posts SHOULD be concerned about a complete lack of evidence to support what you expel claim.

Just look at your own post...accusations, statements of fact...with NOTHING to support them but your own belief...which s based on a lack of education in aviation and science.

Chemtrails may very well be real...but how do you know you have actually seen a single one...you don't.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36419852


You are the one who boasts of intelligence and education in aviation/science, but you never seem to have a convincing argument to prove that chemtrails do not exist. I've never said that all the contrails have chemicals in them. Never said I was into aviation/science.

I know what I see and the sky is a hell of a lot different in the last few years than in the last 100 years of contrails. I've read what a lot of sources have to say about chemtrails and what is happening. Have visited meta.bunk and contrail science and various other sites for information.

But most of all I believe George has some good information as well as ideas about global warming, weather modification and possibilities of what is going on in this world.

No, I don't have the education in aviation/science, but a better understanding of what it's all about is surely not forthcoming from you.

So no, noone needs to prove anything to you. I'm here for the information and knowledge about what I strongly feel is a bad situation, that chemtrails do exist.
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You are the one who boasts of intelligence and education in aviation/science, but you never seem to have a convincing argument to prove that chemtrails do not exist.
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Can't prove a negative - bad doggie, no biscuit.
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Anyone reading through your posts would assume you are the clueless one. All you tout are contrails and some fear you have of fear. spam On a pretty limited script obviously. Trade your disinfo manual in for a new one.

Chemtrails are real!!!!!!!!

Awe, go ahead.......hit send post with your favorite lines of ad hom, condensation, useless rhetoric......it's all in a days pay. rofl
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36419852


And anyone with intelligence reading through chemtard posts SHOULD be concerned about a complete lack of evidence to support what you expel claim.

Just look at your own post...accusations, statements of fact...with NOTHING to support them but your own belief...which s based on a lack of education in aviation and science.

Chemtrails may very well be real...but how do you know you have actually seen a single one...you don't.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36419852


You are the one who boasts of intelligence and education in aviation/science, but you never seem to have a convincing argument to prove that chemtrails do not exist. I've never said that all the contrails have chemicals in them. Never said I was into aviation/science.

I know what I see and the sky is a hell of a lot different in the last few years than in the last 100 years of contrails. I've read what a lot of sources have to say about chemtrails and what is happening. Have visited meta.bunk and contrail science and various other sites for information.

But most of all I believe George has some good information as well as ideas about global warming, weather modification and possibilities of what is going on in this world.

No, I don't have the education in aviation/science, but a better understanding of what it's all about is surely not forthcoming from you.

So no, noone needs to prove anything to you. I'm here for the information and knowledge about what I strongly feel is a bad situation, that chemtrails do exist.
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I have never tried to prove/say/write that "chemtrails" don't exist.

Show me where i have done any such thing.

My position is that there is no evidence that any image that chemtards post is that of anything more than a contrail..

It's such a simple position even you should understand it...but, you can't.

I don't wonder why.
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And anyone with intelligence reading through chemtard posts SHOULD be concerned about a complete lack of evidence to support what you expel claim.

Just look at your own post...accusations, statements of fact...with NOTHING to support them but your own belief...which s based on a lack of education in aviation and science.

Chemtrails may very well be real...but how do you know you have actually seen a single one...you don't.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36419852


You are the one who boasts of intelligence and education in aviation/science, but you never seem to have a convincing argument to prove that chemtrails do not exist. I've never said that all the contrails have chemicals in them. Never said I was into aviation/science.

I know what I see and the sky is a hell of a lot different in the last few years than in the last 100 years of contrails. I've read what a lot of sources have to say about chemtrails and what is happening. Have visited meta.bunk and contrail science and various other sites for information.

But most of all I believe George has some good information as well as ideas about global warming, weather modification and possibilities of what is going on in this world.

No, I don't have the education in aviation/science, but a better understanding of what it's all about is surely not forthcoming from you.

So no, noone needs to prove anything to you. I'm here for the information and knowledge about what I strongly feel is a bad situation, that chemtrails do exist.
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I have never tried to prove/say/write that "chemtrails" don't exist.

Show me where i have done any such thing.

My position is that there is no evidence that any image that chemtards post is that of anything more than a contrail..

It's such a simple position even you should understand it...but, you can't.

I don't wonder why.
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Yes, I do understand. Completely. Loud and clear. Just what I figured. Good luck with that.
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No substance just more insults. Can't discuss like an adult. You have yet to convince anyone that understands science that chemtrails are anything more than contrails. Which means that your questions of 'why, who is doing it, funding it, what will happen when it is stopped' are totally moot. First prove they are what you say they are then you go on.
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There's nothing to discuss. Bad doggie, no biscuit.
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Not with you.
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speaking of sulfur;

[link to www.nytimes.com]
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Interseting . . . They are proposing to cut Sulfur content for automobiles from 300 ppm to 30 ppm now at a cost of 10 billion dollars to 10 pm for another 10 billion dollars. . . while the standard for aircraft is still 3,000 ppm. . . Why is that???tounge

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Charles T. Drevna, president of the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, the refiners’ main trade association, said the companies had in the last few years cut the sulfur content by 90 percent, to 30 parts from 300 parts, at a cost of $10 billion in capital improvements. He said that the proposed cut would cost another $10 billion. Because the process consumes energy, it will raise the carbon dioxide output of refineries.

Gasoline in the other 49 states can now have up to 30 parts of sulfur per million, and the proposed rule will be 10."
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Better lobby
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You are the one who boasts of intelligence and education in aviation/science, but you never seem to have a convincing argument to prove that chemtrails do not exist. I've never said that all the contrails have chemicals in them. Never said I was into aviation/science.

I know what I see and the sky is a hell of a lot different in the last few years than in the last 100 years of contrails. I've read what a lot of sources have to say about chemtrails and what is happening. Have visited meta.bunk and contrail science and various other sites for information.

But most of all I believe George has some good information as well as ideas about global warming, weather modification and possibilities of what is going on in this world.

No, I don't have the education in aviation/science, but a better understanding of what it's all about is surely not forthcoming from you.

So no, noone needs to prove anything to you. I'm here for the information and knowledge about what I strongly feel is a bad situation, that chemtrails do exist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


I have never tried to prove/say/write that "chemtrails" don't exist.

Show me where i have done any such thing.

My position is that there is no evidence that any image that chemtards post is that of anything more than a contrail..

It's such a simple position even you should understand it...but, you can't.

I don't wonder why.
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Yes, I do understand. Completely. Loud and clear. Just what I figured. Good luck with that.
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If its just what you figured..,then why did you accuse me if something else?!
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Ironic isn't it (The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor)-the one instrument that could have answered many of the needed answers about aerosols possible origins and climatic effects was a Raytheon project . . . and . . . was somehow lost by a failed launch!!! What are the odds?????ohno
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Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor

Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) will measure aerosols in Earth’s atmosphere to provide scientists and policy makers a better understanding of how those aerosols affect global climate change.

“The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor can distinguish between various types of aerosols and reveal the different role each plays in either warming or cooling our planet,” said Bill Hart, vice president, Space Systems. “Since black carbon aerosols generally contribute to warming, and sulfate aerosols to cooling, the concentrations of these aerosols and others must be determined to ensure accurate climate modeling.”

Both natural and man-made aerosols are important constituents of the atmosphere that affect global temperature. Yet they remain poorly quantified and, according to NASA scientists, represent the largest uncertainty regarding climate change.


[link to www.raytheon.com]

On 4 March 2011, the Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) was lost as a consequence of the failed launch of the Glory Mission. On 6 March 2011, Dr. Michael Freilich, Director of the Earth Science Division, Science Mission Directorate, NASA Headquarters, directed the Glory APS Science Team to perform a comprehensive study intended to develop and evaluate the science rationale for an APS reflight.
[link to glory.giss.nasa.gov]

Third time's the charm . . . incompetence personified . . . seems beyond even the government to use the same failed company . . . unless you have a reason to make all climate analysis systems fall into the ocean . . . LoL!!!!!!

[link to www.youtube.com]



Both the rocket and the satellite were built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va. . . . and they still have the contract for the next launch . . . !!!!!

[link to www.nytimes.com]
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Check the statistics. Many satellites are lost to launch failure. It wasn't the first and probably won't be the last
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More evidence that cirrus clouds contribute to global warming . . . this is important people . . . grumpy2

"Low altitude clouds composed of water droplets (i.e., not ice) typically reflect solar radiation and cool the atmosphere, while high altitude, icy, cirrus clouds typically trap outgoing infrared radiation and creating additional warming. Dessler found about an 80 percent likelihood that from 2000 to 2010 the global cloud cover created a positive feedback -- which means that on the whole clouds created an additional warming effect on the planet."

[link to www.nasa.gov]
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Oh please.. Why don't you just say, chemtrails are supposedly for global warming.
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Seems the trend is unmistakable . . . more persistent trails from aircraft = more cirrus clouds = more atmospheric warming and surface temperature warming = more global warming . . . peace
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Thought you were arguing that they counteracted global warming
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Bring it up with the airlines George, whining about it on a conspiracy site isn't going to change a thing.
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The airlines will do exactly what the FAA tells them to do, nothing more.
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More evidence that cirrus clouds contribute to global warming . . . this is important people . . . grumpy2

"Low altitude clouds composed of water droplets (i.e., not ice) typically reflect solar radiation and cool the atmosphere, while high altitude, icy, cirrus clouds typically trap outgoing infrared radiation and creating additional warming. Dessler found about an 80 percent likelihood that from 2000 to 2010 the global cloud cover created a positive feedback -- which means that on the whole clouds created an additional warming effect on the planet."

[link to www.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: George B


Oh please.. Why don't you just say, chemtrails are supposedly for global warming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37139942


Seems the trend is unmistakable . . . more persistent trails from aircraft = more cirrus clouds = more atmospheric warming and surface temperature warming = more global warming . . . peace
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Thought you were arguing that they counteracted global warming
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Only if they are adding sulfur....


He floats back and forth....
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The stupid quote of the night..
"All you have to do is watch how it spreads and forms a big blanket 'cloud' to cover a area to know its not a ice particle contrail."


Don't people know what clouds are?!
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speaking of sulfur;

[link to www.nytimes.com]
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Interseting . . . They are proposing to cut Sulfur content for automobiles from 300 ppm to 30 ppm now at a cost of 10 billion dollars to 10 pm for another 10 billion dollars. . . while the standard for aircraft is still 3,000 ppm. . . Why is that???tounge

"
Charles T. Drevna, president of the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, the refiners’ main trade association, said the companies had in the last few years cut the sulfur content by 90 percent, to 30 parts from 300 parts, at a cost of $10 billion in capital improvements. He said that the proposed cut would cost another $10 billion. Because the process consumes energy, it will raise the carbon dioxide output of refineries.

Gasoline in the other 49 states can now have up to 30 parts of sulfur per million, and the proposed rule will be 10."
 Quoting: George B


Better lobby
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No doubt . . . that is a significant problem . . . while joe public scrapes his dimes together to drive his family to a family reunion . . . the more affluent gets protected by burning cheaper fuel flying on a business or holiday trip . . . while no one in the aircraft industry gives a damn about even the most rudimentary mitigation procedure to reduce global warming or the ugly trails
in the sky . . . huffy
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The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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George do you remember when the sun was Lellow like a lemon?
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speaking of sulfur;

[link to www.nytimes.com]
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Interseting . . . They are proposing to cut Sulfur content for automobiles from 300 ppm to 30 ppm now at a cost of 10 billion dollars to 10 pm for another 10 billion dollars. . . while the standard for aircraft is still 3,000 ppm. . . Why is that???tounge

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Charles T. Drevna, president of the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, the refiners’ main trade association, said the companies had in the last few years cut the sulfur content by 90 percent, to 30 parts from 300 parts, at a cost of $10 billion in capital improvements. He said that the proposed cut would cost another $10 billion. Because the process consumes energy, it will raise the carbon dioxide output of refineries.

Gasoline in the other 49 states can now have up to 30 parts of sulfur per million, and the proposed rule will be 10."
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Better lobby
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No doubt . . . that is a significant problem . . . while joe public scrapes his dimes together to drive his family to a family reunion . . . the more affluent gets protected by burning cheaper fuel flying on a business or holiday trip . . . while no one in the aircraft industry gives a damn about even the most rudimentary mitigation procedure to reduce global warming or the ugly trails
in the sky . . . huffy
 Quoting: George B


It's a business...

There are many who can't afford the car for the family reunion!!

Who's fault is that?!

Don't hate on the wealthy George...it's all relative...
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More evidence that cirrus clouds contribute to global warming . . . this is important people . . . grumpy2

"Low altitude clouds composed of water droplets (i.e., not ice) typically reflect solar radiation and cool the atmosphere, while high altitude, icy, cirrus clouds typically trap outgoing infrared radiation and creating additional warming. Dessler found about an 80 percent likelihood that from 2000 to 2010 the global cloud cover created a positive feedback -- which means that on the whole clouds created an additional warming effect on the planet."

[link to www.nasa.gov]
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Oh please.. Why don't you just say, chemtrails are supposedly for global warming.
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Seems the trend is unmistakable . . . more persistent trails from aircraft = more cirrus clouds = more atmospheric warming and surface temperature warming = more global warming . . . peace
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Thought you were arguing that they counteracted global warming
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No . . . sulfur injection via increased sulfur concentration in the fuel or through dedicated flights might be a possible way to use aircraft to help . . . but all recent research indicates increased cirrus clouds increases warming . . .coffee4
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Interseting . . . They are proposing to cut Sulfur content for automobiles from 300 ppm to 30 ppm now at a cost of 10 billion dollars to 10 pm for another 10 billion dollars. . . while the standard for aircraft is still 3,000 ppm. . . Why is that???tounge

"
Charles T. Drevna, president of the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, the refiners’ main trade association, said the companies had in the last few years cut the sulfur content by 90 percent, to 30 parts from 300 parts, at a cost of $10 billion in capital improvements. He said that the proposed cut would cost another $10 billion. Because the process consumes energy, it will raise the carbon dioxide output of refineries.

Gasoline in the other 49 states can now have up to 30 parts of sulfur per million, and the proposed rule will be 10."
 Quoting: George B


Better lobby
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183


No doubt . . . that is a significant problem . . . while joe public scrapes his dimes together to drive his family to a family reunion . . . the more affluent gets protected by burning cheaper fuel flying on a business or holiday trip . . . while no one in the aircraft industry gives a damn about even the most rudimentary mitigation procedure to reduce global warming or the ugly trails
in the sky . . . huffy
 Quoting: George B


It's a business...

There are many who can't afford the car for the family reunion!!

Who's fault is that?!

Don't hate on the wealthy George...it's all relative...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


No IPCC and the policy wamps have made it very clear who they care about and it isn't the average world citizen . . . verysad
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Better lobby
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183


No doubt . . . that is a significant problem . . . while joe public scrapes his dimes together to drive his family to a family reunion . . . the more affluent gets protected by burning cheaper fuel flying on a business or holiday trip . . . while no one in the aircraft industry gives a damn about even the most rudimentary mitigation procedure to reduce global warming or the ugly trails
in the sky . . . huffy
 Quoting: George B


It's a business...

There are many who can't afford the car for the family reunion!!

Who's fault is that?!

Don't hate on the wealthy George...it's all relative...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


No IPCC and the policy wamps have made it very clear who they care about and it isn't the average world citizen . . . verysad
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Cry me a river...
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George do you remember when the sun was Lellow like a lemon?
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You know I have heard people say that . . . but I can't say I could tell a difference . . . that does not mean others have not seen a difference . . . coffee4
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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No doubt . . . that is a significant problem . . . while joe public scrapes his dimes together to drive his family to a family reunion . . . the more affluent gets protected by burning cheaper fuel flying on a business or holiday trip . . . while no one in the aircraft industry gives a damn about even the most rudimentary mitigation procedure to reduce global warming or the ugly trails
in the sky . . . huffy
 Quoting: George B


It's a business...

There are many who can't afford the car for the family reunion!!

Who's fault is that?!

Don't hate on the wealthy George...it's all relative...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


No IPCC and the policy wamps have made it very clear who they care about and it isn't the average world citizen . . . verysad
 Quoting: George B


Cry me a river...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


I know you could care less . . . that is very obvious . .

. goaway
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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George do you remember when the sun was Lellow like a lemon?
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You know I have heard people say that . . . but I can't say I could tell a difference . . . that does not mean others have not seen a difference . . . coffee4
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I see that it has changed into a white silver like ball. It used to be pretty Lellow..
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George do you remember when the sun was Lellow like a lemon?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37155221


You know I have heard people say that . . . but I can't say I could tell a difference . . . that does not mean others have not seen a difference . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


I see that it has changed into a white silver like ball. It used to be pretty Lellow..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37155221


Do you remember when you noticed this change . . .?
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B

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