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If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

 
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Bring it up with the airlines George, whining about it on a conspiracy site isn't going to change a thing.
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The airlines will do exactly what the FAA tells them to do, nothing more.
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The FAA has oversight from the Administration . . . and the lobbyists are the ones who control the FAA and the Administrations. . . who do you think the lobbyists work for ?????oops2

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It's a business...

There are many who can't afford the car for the family reunion!!

Who's fault is that?!

Don't hate on the wealthy George...it's all relative...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


No IPCC and the policy wamps have made it very clear who they care about and it isn't the average world citizen . . . verysad
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Cry me a river...
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I know you could care less . . . that is very obvious . .

. goaway
 Quoting: George B


Why should I care any more about those who failed to succeed?!

I care about all people, but who's fault is it if someone can't afford to take trips...or a car?!
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Bring it up with the airlines George, whining about it on a conspiracy site isn't going to change a thing.
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The airlines will do exactly what the FAA tells them to do, nothing more.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183


The FAA has oversight . . . and the lobbyists are the ones who control the FAA . . . where do you think the lobbyists work for ?????oops2
 Quoting: George B


Yeah, and bitching about it on a conspiracy site will get you what you want....
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No IPCC and the policy wamps have made it very clear who they care about and it isn't the average world citizen . . . verysad
 Quoting: George B


Cry me a river...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


I know you could care less . . . that is very obvious . .

. goaway
 Quoting: George B


Why should I care any more about those who failed to succeed?!

I care about all people, but who's fault is it if someone can't afford to take trips...or a car?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


So using reasonable methods to reduce persistent contrails and cirrus cloud banks to benefit everyone including the rich and poor doesn't make sense . . . ???rex
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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Cry me a river...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


I know you could care less . . . that is very obvious . .

. goaway
 Quoting: George B


Why should I care any more about those who failed to succeed?!

I care about all people, but who's fault is it if someone can't afford to take trips...or a car?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


So using reasonable methods to reduce persistent contrails and cirrus cloud banks to benefit everyone including the rich and poor doesn't make sense . . . ???rex
 Quoting: George B


Again, you have failed to show that the benefit is worth the cost...or even necessary.

The numbers don't add up Jorge.....

There are many other things to worry about first.
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Ironic isn't it (The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor)-the one instrument that could have answered many of the needed answers about aerosols possible origins and climatic effects was a Raytheon project . . . and . . . was somehow lost by a failed launch!!! What are the odds?????ohno
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Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor

Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) will measure aerosols in Earth’s atmosphere to provide scientists and policy makers a better understanding of how those aerosols affect global climate change.

“The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor can distinguish between various types of aerosols and reveal the different role each plays in either warming or cooling our planet,” said Bill Hart, vice president, Space Systems. “Since black carbon aerosols generally contribute to warming, and sulfate aerosols to cooling, the concentrations of these aerosols and others must be determined to ensure accurate climate modeling.”

Both natural and man-made aerosols are important constituents of the atmosphere that affect global temperature. Yet they remain poorly quantified and, according to NASA scientists, represent the largest uncertainty regarding climate change.


[link to www.raytheon.com]

On 4 March 2011, the Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) was lost as a consequence of the failed launch of the Glory Mission. On 6 March 2011, Dr. Michael Freilich, Director of the Earth Science Division, Science Mission Directorate, NASA Headquarters, directed the Glory APS Science Team to perform a comprehensive study intended to develop and evaluate the science rationale for an APS reflight.
[link to glory.giss.nasa.gov]

Third time's the charm . . . incompetence personified . . . seems beyond even the government to use the same failed company . . . unless you have a reason to make all climate analysis systems fall into the ocean . . . LoL!!!!!!

[link to www.youtube.com]



Both the rocket and the satellite were built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va. . . . and they still have the contract for the next launch . . . !!!!!

[link to www.nytimes.com]
 Quoting: George B


Check the statistics. Many satellites are lost to launch failure. It wasn't the first and probably won't be the last
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183


I did . . . see below . . . very low failure rates but the failures seem to cluster around primarily environmental atmospheric observation satellites . . . another do Looks almost like a pattern . . .

. . .
Some interesting evidence of the low probability of launch failures of both of the rockets and the satellites except for those that were built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va. . . . and they still have the contract for the next launch . . . !!!!!
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Second Quarter 2009 Launch Report 1

The Second Quarter 2009 Quarterly Launch Report features launch results from the first quarter of 2009
( January - March 2009)

Figure 13 shows orbital and commercial suborbital launch successes vs. failures for the period from January 2009 to March 2009.

Partially-successful orbital launch events are those where the launch vehicle fails to deploy its payload to the appropriate orbit, but the payload is able to reach a useable orbit via its own propulsion systems. Cases in which the payload does not reach a useable orbit or would use all of its fuel to do so are considered
failures.

-----The Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) is a NASA satellite mission intended to provide ... The original spacecraft was lost in a launch failure on February 24, 2009, when the payload ...

Figure 13: First Quarter 2009 Launch Successes vs.
Failures
Failure 6% (1)
Success 94% (15)
Total = 16

[link to www.faa.gov]

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[link to www.faa.gov]


Launch Successes vs. Failures
Figure 9: Launch Successes vs. Failures: April 2011 - September 2011
Failure 7% (3)
Success 93% (42)


-----The Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) is a NASA satellite mission intended to provide ... The original spacecraft was lost in a launch failure on February 24, 2009, when the payload ...

Semi-Annual Launch Report Second Half of Fiscal Year 2011

Figure 9 shows orbital launch successes and failures from April 2011 through September 2011.

From April 2011 to September 2011 there were three launch failures. From September 2010 to April 2011 there were four launch failures.

Total = 45 launches

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Semi-Annual Launch Report: First Half of 2010

[link to www.faa.gov]

Figure 9: Launch Successes vs. Failures: October 2009 - March 2010
Failure 0% (0)
Total = 33
Success 100% (33)

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Semi-Annual Launch Report: First Half of 2010

[link to www.faa.gov]

Figure 9: Launch Successes vs. Failures: October 2009 - March 2010

Total 33
no failures
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I know you could care less . . . that is very obvious . .

. goaway
 Quoting: George B


Why should I care any more about those who failed to succeed?!

I care about all people, but who's fault is it if someone can't afford to take trips...or a car?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


So using reasonable methods to reduce persistent contrails and cirrus cloud banks to benefit everyone including the rich and poor doesn't make sense . . . ???rex
 Quoting: George B


Again, you have failed to show that the benefit is worth the cost...or even necessary.

The numbers don't add up Jorge.....

There are many other things to worry about first.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


No there isn't . . . in the aircraft industry . . . they have accomplished significant and well publicized reduction in sound, CO2, NOx and fuel per load categories . . . especially with the new high efficiency engines . . . so the only real problem where absolutely no progress has been made is in Contrail Mitigation and despite the numerous ways to make practical strides in that direction . . . NOTHING has been done . . . AT ALL!!!!!grumpy2
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Why should I care any more about those who failed to succeed?!

I care about all people, but who's fault is it if someone can't afford to take trips...or a car?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


So using reasonable methods to reduce persistent contrails and cirrus cloud banks to benefit everyone including the rich and poor doesn't make sense . . . ???rex
 Quoting: George B


Again, you have failed to show that the benefit is worth the cost...or even necessary.

The numbers don't add up Jorge.....

There are many other things to worry about first.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


No there isn't . . . in the aircraft industry . . . they have accomplished significant and well publicized reduction in sound, CO2, NOx and fuel per load categories . . . especially with the new high efficiency engines . . . so the only real problem where absolutely no progress has been made is in Contrail Mitigation and despite the numerous ways to make practical strides in that direction . . . NOTHING has been done . . . AT ALL!!!!!grumpy2
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Meh...oh we'll, apparently it's not as big a problem, as you have been led to believe..


But, keep bitching about it here...for several years..and then maybe poor people will be able to afford trips...and man made clouds will disappear...

And yes, there are far greater problems. War, hunger, pollution...in general.

But go ahead, focus on 5% of the total problem....and then someday we can reduce atmospheric CO2 to 98% of the current levels!!!


Live the dream Jorge!
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So using reasonable methods to reduce persistent contrails and cirrus cloud banks to benefit everyone including the rich and poor doesn't make sense . . . ???rex
 Quoting: George B


Again, you have failed to show that the benefit is worth the cost...or even necessary.

The numbers don't add up Jorge.....

There are many other things to worry about first.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


No there isn't . . . in the aircraft industry . . . they have accomplished significant and well publicized reduction in sound, CO2, NOx and fuel per load categories . . . especially with the new high efficiency engines . . . so the only real problem where absolutely no progress has been made is in Contrail Mitigation and despite the numerous ways to make practical strides in that direction . . . NOTHING has been done . . . AT ALL!!!!!grumpy2
 Quoting: George B


Meh...oh we'll, apparently it's not as big a problem, as you have been led to believe..


But, keep bitching about it here...for several years..and then maybe poor people will be able to afford trips...and man made clouds will disappear...

And yes, there are far greater problems. War, hunger, pollution...in general.

But go ahead, focus on 5% of the total problem....and then someday we can reduce atmospheric CO2 to 98% of the current levels!!!


Live the dream Jorge!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


Don't be silly . . . this is one insignificant, non-essential industry . . . abusing their responsibility by not taking reasonable, low cost measures to benefit the entire planet . . . keep defending the indefensible . . . coffee4
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Again, you have failed to show that the benefit is worth the cost...or even necessary.

The numbers don't add up Jorge.....

There are many other things to worry about first.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


No there isn't . . . in the aircraft industry . . . they have accomplished significant and well publicized reduction in sound, CO2, NOx and fuel per load categories . . . especially with the new high efficiency engines . . . so the only real problem where absolutely no progress has been made is in Contrail Mitigation and despite the numerous ways to make practical strides in that direction . . . NOTHING has been done . . . AT ALL!!!!!grumpy2
 Quoting: George B


Meh...oh we'll, apparently it's not as big a problem, as you have been led to believe..


But, keep bitching about it here...for several years..and then maybe poor people will be able to afford trips...and man made clouds will disappear...

And yes, there are far greater problems. War, hunger, pollution...in general.

But go ahead, focus on 5% of the total problem....and then someday we can reduce atmospheric CO2 to 98% of the current levels!!!


Live the dream Jorge!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


Don't be silly . . . this is one insignificant, non-essential industry . . . abusing their responsibility by not taking reasonable, low cost measures to benefit the entire planet . . . keep defending the indefensible . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Hehe, insignificant and on-essential to you...not to millions/billions of other people.

But, keep bitching about it all here..I'm sure you'll get your way...some day.

Someday you'll be honest about the source of your obvious hatred for aviation.


I'm sorry Jorge, you have failed to show that aviation causes a significant problem.

Some man made clouds..5% of the human related sources of CO2?!

Yawn.....

But, again, keep crying to the other chemtards...I'm sure you're making a difference!

You should be so proud!
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Oh, and Jorge, he do you know what technology will bring to the aviation industry in the future?!


Keep your fingers crossed!!
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Oh, and Jorge, he do you know what technology will bring to the aviation industry in the future?!


Keep your fingers crossed!!
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Why don't you enlighten us. . . .huffy
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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No there isn't . . . in the aircraft industry . . . they have accomplished significant and well publicized reduction in sound, CO2, NOx and fuel per load categories . . . especially with the new high efficiency engines . . . so the only real problem where absolutely no progress has been made is in Contrail Mitigation and despite the numerous ways to make practical strides in that direction . . . NOTHING has been done . . . AT ALL!!!!!grumpy2
 Quoting: George B


Meh...oh we'll, apparently it's not as big a problem, as you have been led to believe..


But, keep bitching about it here...for several years..and then maybe poor people will be able to afford trips...and man made clouds will disappear...

And yes, there are far greater problems. War, hunger, pollution...in general.

But go ahead, focus on 5% of the total problem....and then someday we can reduce atmospheric CO2 to 98% of the current levels!!!


Live the dream Jorge!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


Don't be silly . . . this is one insignificant, non-essential industry . . . abusing their responsibility by not taking reasonable, low cost measures to benefit the entire planet . . . keep defending the indefensible . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Hehe, insignificant and on-essential to you...not to millions/billions of other people.

But, keep bitching about it all here..I'm sure you'll get your way...some day.

Someday you'll be honest about the source of your obvious hatred for aviation.


I'm sorry Jorge, you have failed to show that aviation causes a significant problem.

Some man made clouds..5% of the human related sources of CO2?!

Yawn.....

But, again, keep crying to the other chemtards...I'm sure you're making a difference!

You should be so proud!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


It is most likely 15% especially as we get further into the 2000s. . . and as was pointed out earlier Persistent Contrails and Contrail Induced Cirrus Cloud Banks are the most manageable and facile product of aviation to mitigate. . . .so all your protests to do NOTHING are hog wash. . . .huffy
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Thanks for all your participation. . . . coffee4


POLL: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

8) I see persistent trails in the skies . . .    70.1% (246)
10) Scientific papers, patents, symposia (mainstream) . . .   8.3% (29)
12) Other. . .  please specify in this Thread. . . .    6.8% (24)
4) YouTube Videos about chemtrails . . .   6.6% (23)
7) There are websites I visit that talk about them . . .   2.6% (9)
2) I have dreams about them . .    1.4% (5)
5) Reading about different conspiracies they mentioned them .  .   1.4% (5)
11)  Papers, articles, symposia by other chemtrail believes . . .   1.1% (4)
3) Documentaries about them on the History Channel . . .   0.6% (2)
6) My friends and/or family talk about them . . .   0.6% (2)
9) Rap songs or other entertainment including celebrities . . .   0.6% (2)
1) TV news stories about them . . .   0% (0)
Blank (View Results) (161)

Non-Blank Votes: 351
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Oh, and Jorge, he do you know what technology will bring to the aviation industry in the future?!


Keep your fingers crossed!!
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Why don't you enlighten us. . . .huffy
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Now you're asking me to tell the future...


I won't speculate...I leave that to people like you....
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Meh...oh we'll, apparently it's not as big a problem, as you have been led to believe..


But, keep bitching about it here...for several years..and then maybe poor people will be able to afford trips...and man made clouds will disappear...

And yes, there are far greater problems. War, hunger, pollution...in general.

But go ahead, focus on 5% of the total problem....and then someday we can reduce atmospheric CO2 to 98% of the current levels!!!


Live the dream Jorge!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


Don't be silly . . . this is one insignificant, non-essential industry . . . abusing their responsibility by not taking reasonable, low cost measures to benefit the entire planet . . . keep defending the indefensible . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Hehe, insignificant and on-essential to you...not to millions/billions of other people.

But, keep bitching about it all here..I'm sure you'll get your way...some day.

Someday you'll be honest about the source of your obvious hatred for aviation.


I'm sorry Jorge, you have failed to show that aviation causes a significant problem.

Some man made clouds..5% of the human related sources of CO2?!

Yawn.....

But, again, keep crying to the other chemtards...I'm sure you're making a difference!

You should be so proud!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


It is most likely 15% especially as we get further into the 2000s. . . and as was pointed out earlier Persistent Contrails and Contrail Induced Cirrus Cloud Banks are the most manageable and facile product of aviation to mitigate. . . .so all your protests to do NOTHING are hog wash. . . .huffy
 Quoting: George B


That's it Jorge, always assume the worst! Lets use that number then,,,

It's still a fraction of the human contribution....big deal...

And any mitigation will reduce that fraction by a fraction.

Yet, nature will till continue to pump it out...


And all your protests on a crazy conspiracy site are useless.

Take your "findings" to someone who matters instead of combining your theories with stupid chemtard theories!

See how far you get on some atmospheric science forums....

Oh wait, you probably wouldn't have a supportive audience there...best for you to stay here with the rest of the chemtards...
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Oh, and Jorge, he do you know what technology will bring to the aviation industry in the future?!


Keep your fingers crossed!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


Why don't you enlighten us. . . .huffy
 Quoting: George B


Now you're asking me to tell the future...


I won't speculate...I leave that to people like you....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


No guts. . . .

I will tell you what I think . . . nothing will be done to mitigate persistent contrails . . . because they are waiting on some pie in the sky computer system to manage air traffic. . . . which will route traffic to reduce flight times and congestion. . . they are spending billions and increasing airfare for that purpose but to spend a few cents per passenger to reduce the visual pollution and reduce radiative forcing and thus global warming . . . NO WAY . . . I ask myself . . . Why? I have no answer that makes any sense except the oversight is intentional . . . huffy
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Don't be silly . . . this is one insignificant, non-essential industry . . . abusing their responsibility by not taking reasonable, low cost measures to benefit the entire planet . . . keep defending the indefensible . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Hehe, insignificant and on-essential to you...not to millions/billions of other people.

But, keep bitching about it all here..I'm sure you'll get your way...some day.

Someday you'll be honest about the source of your obvious hatred for aviation.


I'm sorry Jorge, you have failed to show that aviation causes a significant problem.

Some man made clouds..5% of the human related sources of CO2?!

Yawn.....

But, again, keep crying to the other chemtards...I'm sure you're making a difference!

You should be so proud!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


It is most likely 15% especially as we get further into the 2000s. . . and as was pointed out earlier Persistent Contrails and Contrail Induced Cirrus Cloud Banks are the most manageable and facile product of aviation to mitigate. . . .so all your protests to do NOTHING are hog wash. . . .huffy
 Quoting: George B


That's it Jorge, always assume the worst! Lets use that number then,,,

It's still a fraction of the human contribution....big deal...

And any mitigation will reduce that fraction by a fraction.

Yet, nature will till continue to pump it out...


And all your protests on a crazy conspiracy site are useless.

Take your "findings" to someone who matters instead of combining your theories with stupid chemtard theories!

See how far you get on some atmospheric science forums....

Oh wait, you probably wouldn't have a supportive audience there...best for you to stay here with the rest of the chemtards...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


Nature does not produce persistent contrails and contrail induced cirrus cloud banks and you know it. . . .and you also know it would take very little to reduce them 50 to 70%. . . .coffee4

You also know that Chemtrail Conspiracy Advocates are most upset by their presence. . . .is that why you don't want to get rid of them. . . .you won't have chemtrail Threads to TROLL?????applause2

Last Edited by George B on 03/31/2013 05:34 AM
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Oh, and Jorge, he do you know what technology will bring to the aviation industry in the future?!


Keep your fingers crossed!!
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Why don't you enlighten us. . . .huffy
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Now you're asking me to tell the future...


I won't speculate...I leave that to people like you....
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So typical.
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Hehe, insignificant and on-essential to you...not to millions/billions of other people.

But, keep bitching about it all here..I'm sure you'll get your way...some day.

Someday you'll be honest about the source of your obvious hatred for aviation.


I'm sorry Jorge, you have failed to show that aviation causes a significant problem.

Some man made clouds..5% of the human related sources of CO2?!

Yawn.....

But, again, keep crying to the other chemtards...I'm sure you're making a difference!

You should be so proud!
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It is most likely 15% especially as we get further into the 2000s. . . and as was pointed out earlier Persistent Contrails and Contrail Induced Cirrus Cloud Banks are the most manageable and facile product of aviation to mitigate. . . .so all your protests to do NOTHING are hog wash. . . .huffy
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That's it Jorge, always assume the worst! Lets use that number then,,,

It's still a fraction of the human contribution....big deal...

And any mitigation will reduce that fraction by a fraction.

Yet, nature will till continue to pump it out...


And all your protests on a crazy conspiracy site are useless.

Take your "findings" to someone who matters instead of combining your theories with stupid chemtard theories!

See how far you get on some atmospheric science forums....

Oh wait, you probably wouldn't have a supportive audience there...best for you to stay here with the rest of the chemtards...
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Nature does not produce persistent contrails and contrail induced cirrus cloud banks and you know it. . . .and you also know it would take very little to reduce them 50 to 70%. . . .coffee4

You also know that Chemtrail Conspiracy Advocates are most upset by their presence. . . .is that why you don't want to get rid of them. . . .you won't have chemtrail Threads to TROLL?????applause2
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tounge Now that is funny George!
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It is most likely 15% especially as we get further into the 2000s. . . and as was pointed out earlier Persistent Contrails and Contrail Induced Cirrus Cloud Banks are the most manageable and facile product of aviation to mitigate. . . .so all your protests to do NOTHING are hog wash. . . .huffy
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That's it Jorge, always assume the worst! Lets use that number then,,,

It's still a fraction of the human contribution....big deal...

And any mitigation will reduce that fraction by a fraction.

Yet, nature will till continue to pump it out...


And all your protests on a crazy conspiracy site are useless.

Take your "findings" to someone who matters instead of combining your theories with stupid chemtard theories!

See how far you get on some atmospheric science forums....

Oh wait, you probably wouldn't have a supportive audience there...best for you to stay here with the rest of the chemtards...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


Nature does not produce persistent contrails and contrail induced cirrus cloud banks and you know it. . . .and you also know it would take very little to reduce them 50 to 70%. . . .coffee4

You also know that Chemtrail Conspiracy Advocates are most upset by their presence. . . .is that why you don't want to get rid of them. . . .you won't have chemtrail Threads to TROLL?????applause2
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tounge Now that is funny George!
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All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Nature does not produce persistent contrails and contrail induced cirrus cloud banks and you know it. . . .
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Bad doggie, no biscuit.
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Hehe, insignificant and on-essential to you...not to millions/billions of other people.

But, keep bitching about it all here..I'm sure you'll get your way...some day.

Someday you'll be honest about the source of your obvious hatred for aviation.


I'm sorry Jorge, you have failed to show that aviation causes a significant problem.

Some man made clouds..5% of the human related sources of CO2?!

Yawn.....

But, again, keep crying to the other chemtards...I'm sure you're making a difference!

You should be so proud!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


It is most likely 15% especially as we get further into the 2000s. . . and as was pointed out earlier Persistent Contrails and Contrail Induced Cirrus Cloud Banks are the most manageable and facile product of aviation to mitigate. . . .so all your protests to do NOTHING are hog wash. . . .huffy
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That's it Jorge, always assume the worst! Lets use that number then,,,

It's still a fraction of the human contribution....big deal...

And any mitigation will reduce that fraction by a fraction.

Yet, nature will till continue to pump it out...


And all your protests on a crazy conspiracy site are useless.

Take your "findings" to someone who matters instead of combining your theories with stupid chemtard theories!

See how far you get on some atmospheric science forums....

Oh wait, you probably wouldn't have a supportive audience there...best for you to stay here with the rest of the chemtards...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


Nature does not produce persistent contrails and contrail induced cirrus cloud banks and you know it. . . .and you also know it would take very little to reduce them 50 to 70%. . . .coffee4

You also know that Chemtrail Conspiracy Advocates are most upset by their presence. . . .is that why you don't want to get rid of them. . . .you won't have chemtrail Threads to TROLL?????applause2
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I was referring to natural levels of CO2, stupid.

Isn't that what YOU were referring to with the 15% number?!

I see no reason to get rid of them...

But, you're right...trolling for paranoid losers IS fun...
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Oh, and Jorge, he do you know what technology will bring to the aviation industry in the future?!


Keep your fingers crossed!!
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Why don't you enlighten us. . . .huffy
 Quoting: George B


Now you're asking me to tell the future...


I won't speculate...I leave that to people like you....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064


No guts. . . .

I will tell you what I think . . . nothing will be done to mitigate persistent contrails . . . because they are waiting on some pie in the sky computer system to manage air traffic. . . . which will route traffic to reduce flight times and congestion. . . they are spending billions and increasing airfare for that purpose but to spend a few cents per passenger to reduce the visual pollution and reduce radiative forcing and thus global warming . . . NO WAY . . . I ask myself . . . Why? I have no answer that makes any sense except the oversight is intentional . . . huffy
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I have plenty of guts..

I'm not the one crying like a paranoid pussy about an made clouds....

I hope you're right and nothing is done...I'm GLAD you live your life all angry faced. I enjoy the fact that there are many frowns faced losers on this site who also ignore the true problems in this world to focus on the absurd...like you..

A few % points of CO2 will make all the difference in YOUR. Wold while there are people out there without food, water, a bed, a home...but you just concentrate on the BIG problems Jorge..you are a true hero!

What makes you think that the present computer systems aren't regulating traffic enough now?

Ahhhh...belief....it's a powerful thing!

I hope you are enjoying the celebration if the spring equinox....or something to do with that Jesus dude...
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In other news, Africa aids Norway to save stupid white people in the big global freeze.

[link to www.youtube.com]

You do realize that George will say the freeze is due to all these "persistent" chemtrail clouds that are blocking the sun.

Of course, that's until the temp starts to rise due to sun spot formation and then george will say it's the contamination of barium isotopes in jet exhaust that's causing it.

Even the people of Africa are laughing at this shit.
If you are seriously stupid enough to buy this shit - when George doesn't even buy it - then you need to turn off your computer immediately.
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Let's all gather hands in Prayer on this most Holy Easter Sunday.

God, we pray that you take George with you this weekend. Please call him Home, oh Lord. George's work here is done. George has managed to confuse your children here with less than average intelligence and has done great harm to those predisposed to listen to shills like George.

Again, please take George this weekend, we pray of thee.

In Jesus' name,

AMEN.
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Let's all gather hands in Prayer on this most Holy Easter Sunday.

God, we pray that you take George with you this weekend. Please call him Home, oh Lord. George's work here is done. George has managed to confuse your children here with less than average intelligence and has done great harm to those predisposed to listen to shills like George.

Again, please take George this weekend, we pray of thee.

In Jesus' name,

AMEN.
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chuckle
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Let's all gather hands in Prayer on this most Holy Easter Sunday.

God, we pray that you take George with you this weekend. Please call him Home, oh Lord. George's work here is done. George has managed to confuse your children here with less than average intelligence and has done great harm to those predisposed to listen to shills like George.

Again, please take George this weekend, we pray of thee.

In Jesus' name,

AMEN.
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worshipThanks for your spiritual support. . . popeanother dohanother do
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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In other news, Africa aids Norway to save stupid white people in the big global freeze.

[link to www.youtube.com]

You do realize that George will say the freeze is due to all these "persistent" chemtrail clouds that are blocking the sun.

Of course, that's until the temp starts to rise due to sun spot formation and then george will say it's the contamination of barium isotopes in jet exhaust that's causing it.

Even the people of Africa are laughing at this shit.
If you are seriously stupid enough to buy this shit - when George doesn't even buy it - then you need to turn off your computer immediately.
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Yes, Jorge is a passionate pseudo-activist/intellectual/savior..
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In other news, Africa aids Norway to save stupid white people in the big global freeze.

[link to www.youtube.com]

You do realize that George will say the freeze is due to all these "persistent" chemtrail clouds that are blocking the sun.

Of course, that's until the temp starts to rise due to sun spot formation and then george will say it's the contamination of barium isotopes in jet exhaust that's causing it.

Even the people of Africa are laughing at this shit.
If you are seriously stupid enough to buy this shit - when George doesn't even buy it - then you need to turn off your computer immediately.
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Yes, Jorge is a passionate pseudo-activist/intellectual/savior..
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You mean, "dumbass."

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