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If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

 
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Ironic isn't it (The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor)-the one instrument that could have answered many of the needed answers about aerosols possible origins and climatic effects was a Raytheon project . . . and . . . was somehow lost by a failed launch!!! What are the odds?????ohno
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Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor

Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) will measure aerosols in Earth’s atmosphere to provide scientists and policy makers a better understanding of how those aerosols affect global climate change.

“The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor can distinguish between various types of aerosols and reveal the different role each plays in either warming or cooling our planet,” said Bill Hart, vice president, Space Systems. “Since black carbon aerosols generally contribute to warming, and sulfate aerosols to cooling, the concentrations of these aerosols and others must be determined to ensure accurate climate modeling.”

Both natural and man-made aerosols are important constituents of the atmosphere that affect global temperature. Yet they remain poorly quantified and, according to NASA scientists, represent the largest uncertainty regarding climate change.


[link to www.raytheon.com]

On 4 March 2011, the Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) was lost as a consequence of the failed launch of the Glory Mission. On 6 March 2011, Dr. Michael Freilich, Director of the Earth Science Division, Science Mission Directorate, NASA Headquarters, directed the Glory APS Science Team to perform a comprehensive study intended to develop and evaluate the science rationale for an APS reflight.
[link to glory.giss.nasa.gov]

Third time's the charm . . . incompetence personified . . . seems beyond even the government to use the same failed company . . . unless you have a reason to make all climate analysis systems fall into the ocean . . . LoL!!!!!!

[link to www.youtube.com]



Both the rocket and the satellite were built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va. . . . and they still have the contract for the next launch . . . !!!!!

[link to www.nytimes.com]
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Check the statistics. Many satellites are lost to launch failure. It wasn't the first and probably won't be the last
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I did . . . see below . . . very low failure rates but the failures seem to cluster around primarily environmental atmospheric observation satellites . . . another do Looks almost like a pattern . . .

. . .
Some interesting evidence of the low probability of launch failures of both of the rockets and the satellites except for those that were built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va. . . . and they still have the contract for the next launch . . . !!!!!
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Second Quarter 2009 Launch Report 1

The Second Quarter 2009 Quarterly Launch Report features launch results from the first quarter of 2009
( January - March 2009)

Figure 13 shows orbital and commercial suborbital launch successes vs. failures for the period from January 2009 to March 2009.

Partially-successful orbital launch events are those where the launch vehicle fails to deploy its payload to the appropriate orbit, but the payload is able to reach a useable orbit via its own propulsion systems. Cases in which the payload does not reach a useable orbit or would use all of its fuel to do so are considered
failures.

-----The Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) is a NASA satellite mission intended to provide ... The original spacecraft was lost in a launch failure on February 24, 2009, when the payload ...

Figure 13: First Quarter 2009 Launch Successes vs.
Failures
Failure 6% (1)
Success 94% (15)
Total = 16

[link to www.faa.gov]

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[link to www.faa.gov]


Launch Successes vs. Failures
Figure 9: Launch Successes vs. Failures: April 2011 - September 2011
Failure 7% (3)
Success 93% (42)


-----The Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) is a NASA satellite mission intended to provide ... The original spacecraft was lost in a launch failure on February 24, 2009, when the payload ...

Semi-Annual Launch Report Second Half of Fiscal Year 2011

Figure 9 shows orbital launch successes and failures from April 2011 through September 2011.

From April 2011 to September 2011 there were three launch failures. From September 2010 to April 2011 there were four launch failures.

Total = 45 launches

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Semi-Annual Launch Report: First Half of 2010

[link to www.faa.gov]

Figure 9: Launch Successes vs. Failures: October 2009 - March 2010
Failure 0% (0)
Total = 33
Success 100% (33)

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Semi-Annual Launch Report: First Half of 2010

[link to www.faa.gov]

Figure 9: Launch Successes vs. Failures: October 2009 - March 2010

Total 33
no failures
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33% are communications and 25% are meteorological/remote sensing/environmental
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So how many of each category were launched . . . ?? What was failure rate by category? peace

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So using reasonable methods to reduce persistent contrails and cirrus cloud banks to benefit everyone including the rich and poor doesn't make sense . . . ???rex
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Again, you have failed to show that the benefit is worth the cost...or even necessary.

The numbers don't add up Jorge.....

There are many other things to worry about first.
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No there isn't . . . in the aircraft industry . . . they have accomplished significant and well publicized reduction in sound, CO2, NOx and fuel per load categories . . . especially with the new high efficiency engines . . . so the only real problem where absolutely no progress has been made is in Contrail Mitigation and despite the numerous ways to make practical strides in that direction . . . NOTHING has been done . . . AT ALL!!!!!grumpy2
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Not nothing


[link to www.faa.gov]

[link to www.faa.gov]

[link to web.mit.edu]
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NOT one practical mitigation practice . . . I agree there have been studies, research and proposals . . . I have posted many of them myself . . . coffee4

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I watched them build a cloud in the sky outside of Denver last year..
Started with X's,,,then squared around it...and then kept flying over it and about 3-4 hours later the cloud stuck together and hovered in the area,,,,
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I watched them build a cloud in the sky outside of Denver last year..
Started with X's,,,then squared around it...and then kept flying over it and about 3-4 hours later the cloud stuck together and hovered in the area,,,,
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Amazing....

So that must mean it was "chemicals"...

I get it....
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Again, you have failed to show that the benefit is worth the cost...or even necessary.

The numbers don't add up Jorge.....

There are many other things to worry about first.
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No there isn't . . . in the aircraft industry . . . they have accomplished significant and well publicized reduction in sound, CO2, NOx and fuel per load categories . . . especially with the new high efficiency engines . . . so the only real problem where absolutely no progress has been made is in Contrail Mitigation and despite the numerous ways to make practical strides in that direction . . . NOTHING has been done . . . AT ALL!!!!!grumpy2
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Not nothing


[link to www.faa.gov]

[link to www.faa.gov]

[link to web.mit.edu]
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NOT one practical mitigation practice . . . I agree there have been studies, research and proposals . . . I have posted many of them myself . . . coffee4
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So you believe in reacting rather than studying what could be done first. You are just as bad as the airline industry. Study first and try not to make things worse.
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George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos
It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers.

This makes your credibility look bad.
That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers .
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So how many of each category were launched . . . ?? What was failure rate by category? peace
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Actually that is your job. You implied that there was something funny about the failures. Just prove you assertion.
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George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos
It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers.

This makes your credibility look bad.
That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers .
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It goes both ways. I have been insulted and called names while refraining from doing the same. I am trying to point out the inconsitancies in the "Chemtrail" story. It doesn't make sense that the contrails are anything other than contrails. There just isn't any evidence supporting that assertion.
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George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos
It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers.

This makes your credibility look bad.
That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37187983


It goes both ways. I have been insulted and called names while refraining from doing the same. I am trying to point out the inconsitancies in the "Chemtrail" story. It doesn't make sense that the contrails are anything other than contrails. There just isn't any evidence supporting that assertion.
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From what I understand this is not a Contrail thread, why don't you do yourself a CONTRAIL thread and find out who cares about them , everyone knows what a contrails is already.
No, you'd rather harass and be stupid.
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George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos
It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers.

This makes your credibility look bad.
That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers .
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Awwwww...

Poor baby...

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George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos
It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers.

This makes your credibility look bad.
That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers .
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"Credibility"

lol
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George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos
It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers.

This makes your credibility look bad.
That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers .
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George wants us around...keeps his thread in the top spot...so he doesn't need to bump it all the time.
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George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos
It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers.

This makes your credibility look bad.
That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers .
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It goes both ways. I have been insulted and called names while refraining from doing the same. I am trying to point out the inconsitancies in the "Chemtrail" story. It doesn't make sense that the contrails are anything other than contrails. There just isn't any evidence supporting that assertion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183


From what I understand this is not a Contrail thread, why don't you do yourself a CONTRAIL thread and find out who cares about them , everyone knows what a contrails is already.
No, you'd rather harass and be stupid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37187983


There you go. You just proved my statement. People who believe in chemtrails are vengeful, insulting, and rude.

The relevance is that the things that people call chemtrails are in reality contrails, water vapor and ice crystals. No one has been able to prove they are anything else.

You just showed you would rather insult than have a rational discussion.

And last time I looked at the Constitution I can say what I please. It is people like you who fear the truth.
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No there isn't . . . in the aircraft industry . . . they have accomplished significant and well publicized reduction in sound, CO2, NOx and fuel per load categories . . . especially with the new high efficiency engines . . . so the only real problem where absolutely no progress has been made is in Contrail Mitigation and despite the numerous ways to make practical strides in that direction . . . NOTHING has been done . . . AT ALL!!!!!grumpy2
 Quoting: George B


Not nothing


[link to www.faa.gov]

[link to www.faa.gov]

[link to web.mit.edu]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183


NOT one practical mitigation practice . . . I agree there have been studies, research and proposals . . . I have posted many of them myself . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


So you believe in reacting rather than studying what could be done first. You are just as bad as the airline industry. Study first and try not to make things worse.
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How many years do you have to study something before you take a practical step . . . it has been studied intensely since the late 1990s????coffee4
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George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos
It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers.

This makes your credibility look bad.
That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers .
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I try to allow unlimited participation . . . it isn't perfect but it is about the best I can do . . . someone will always feel they were treated badly . . . as far as the title . . . my purpose was to follow up on a previous poll which asked how people were first introduced to the Chemtrail Conspiracy . . . This Thread was just the next logical step . . . coffee4

Thread: How were you introduced to the concept of the Chemtrail conspiracy?

Last Edited by George B on 03/31/2013 03:28 PM
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How many years do you have to study something before you take a practical step . . . it has been studied intensely since the late 1990s????coffee4
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No study, just shill.

Bad doggie, no biscuit.
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"And what can YOU do to save the planet from civil aviation?

Nothing"
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George must have washed out of flight school. Wanted to be a pilot, but couldn't hack it. So, now george spends his no-life time attacking the institution that he wasn't good enough to become a member of.

It's actually quite sad.
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No actually I turned down a rated position as a navigator . . . which was about the only way into pilot school when I was young enough at the end of the Vietnam war. . . .I choose medicine and research instead. . . . I have no regrets nor do I hate people who fly or want to fly. . . did a bit of hang gliding myself. . . .coffee4
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You wanted to be a naviguesser, huh... Why am I not surprised.

Started in a "backseater" mentality and stayed there as you began hiding behind nurses' skirts. Couldn't handle the top spot in any industry. Now you spend your days trying to fuck with and scare unintelligent people.
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"And what can YOU do to save the planet from civil aviation?

Nothing"
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George must have washed out of flight school. Wanted to be a pilot, but couldn't hack it. So, now george spends his no-life time attacking the institution that he wasn't good enough to become a member of.

It's actually quite sad.
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No actually I turned down a rated position as a navigator . . . which was about the only way into pilot school when I was young enough at the end of the Vietnam war. . . .I choose medicine and research instead. . . . I have no regrets nor do I hate people who fly or want to fly. . . did a bit of hang gliding myself. . . .coffee4
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You wanted to be a naviguesser, huh... Why am I not surprised.

Started in a "backseater" mentality and stayed there as you began hiding behind nurses' skirts. Couldn't handle the top spot in any industry. Now you spend your days trying to fuck with and scare unintelligent people.
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No, I didn't want too . . . I was asked if I would . . . there is a big difference . . . I just wanted out of the military and return to Law School as soon as possible . . .

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George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos
It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers.

This makes your credibility look bad.
That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers .
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George wants us around...keeps his thread in the top spot...so he doesn't need to bump it all the time.
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To a certain point partially true . . . I have tried to use other titles and the response is disappointing on the Poll response . . .

For Example this Thread . . .

Thread: What can civil aviation do to help save the planet?

Last Edited by George B on 03/31/2013 03:26 PM
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NOT one practical mitigation practice . . . I agree there have been studies, research and proposals . . . I have posted many of them myself . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


So you believe in reacting rather than studying what could be done first. You are just as bad as the airline industry. Study first and try not to make things worse.
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How many years do you have to study something before you take a practical step . . . it has been studied intensely since the late 1990s????:

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I am not so quick to jump on the geo-engineering bandwagon as you. As soon as you do something with the intent of making changes you are geo-engineering. We do not know the climatology well enough to embark down the geo-engineering trail. There could be unintended consequences. I don’t mind at all people studying and discussing the issue but we have to be sure of the results. No second chance. And no, I do not think contrails or persistent contrails (what some call chemtrails) are an intentional attempt at geo-engineering. We know fairly well how, why, when, and where contrails form and can persistent. The ones we see fit our understanding of contrail formation.
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I just wanted out of the military and return to Law School as soon as possible . . .
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NOT one practical mitigation practice . . . I agree there have been studies, research and proposals . . . I have posted many of them myself . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


So you believe in reacting rather than studying what could be done first. You are just as bad as the airline industry. Study first and try not to make things worse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183


How many years do you have to study something before you take a practical step . . . it has been studied intensely since the late 1990s????:

 Quoting: George B


I am not so quick to jump on the geo-engineering bandwagon as you. As soon as you do something with the intent of making changes you are geo-engineering. We do not know the climatology well enough to embark down the geo-engineering trail. There could be unintended consequences. I don’t mind at all people studying and discussing the issue but we have to be sure of the results. No second chance. And no, I do not think contrails or persistent contrails (what some call chemtrails) are an intentional attempt at geo-engineering. We know fairly well how, why, when, and where contrails form and can persistent. The ones we see fit our understanding of contrail formation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183


We are talking about mitigating persistent contrails . . . not engaging in active geoengineering. . . coffee4

Last Edited by George B on 03/31/2013 03:47 PM
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George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos
It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers.

This makes your credibility look bad.
That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers .
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George wants us around...keeps his thread in the top spot...so he doesn't need to bump it all the time.
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To a certain point partially true . . . I have tried to use other titles and the response is disappointing on the Poll response . . .

For Example this Thread . . .

Thread: What can civil aviation do to help save the planet?
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Partially nothing.....
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POLL: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?


8) I see persistent trails in the skies . . . 70.1% (251)
10) Scientific papers, patents, symposia (mainstream) . . . 8.4% (30)
12) Other. . . please specify in this Thread. . . . 7.0% (25)
4) YouTube Videos about chemtrails . . . 6.4% (23)
7) There are websites I visit that talk about them . . . 2.5% (9)
2) I have dreams about them . . 1.4% (5)
5) Reading about different conspiracies they mentioned them . . 1.4% (5)
11) Papers, articles, symposia by other chemtrail believes . . . 1.1% (4)
3) Documentaries about them on the History Channel . . . 0.6% (2)
6) My friends and/or family talk about them . . . 0.6% (2)
9) Rap songs or other entertainment including celebrities . . . 0.6% (2)
1) TV news stories about them . . . 0% (0)
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Non-Blank Votes: 358
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So you believe in reacting rather than studying what could be done first. You are just as bad as the airline industry. Study first and try not to make things worse.
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How many years do you have to study something before you take a practical step . . . it has been studied intensely since the late 1990s????:

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I am not so quick to jump on the geo-engineering bandwagon as you. As soon as you do something with the intent of making changes you are geo-engineering. We do not know the climatology well enough to embark down the geo-engineering trail. There could be unintended consequences. I don’t mind at all people studying and discussing the issue but we have to be sure of the results. No second chance. And no, I do not think contrails or persistent contrails (what some call chemtrails) are an intentional attempt at geo-engineering. We know fairly well how, why, when, and where contrails form and can persistent. The ones we see fit our understanding of contrail formation.
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We are talking about mitigating persistent contrails . . . not engaging in active geoengineering. . . coffee4
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Since persistent contrails are a global phenomenon that affect radiative forcing, and hence climatology, any intentional change IS geo-engineering whether you want to admit it or not. They are not a local pollution like acid rain. We don’t know enough to make a change either way.
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We are talking about mitigating persistent contrails . . . not engaging in active geoengineering. . . coffee4
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Since persistent contrails are a global phenomenon that affect radiative forcing, and hence climatology, any intentional change IS geo-engineering whether you want to admit it or not. They are not a local pollution like acid rain. We don’t know enough to make a change either way.
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So we shouldn't reduce the sulfur content of gasoline from 300ppm to 10ppm with that logic or have installed catalytic converters on cars . . . very strange logic . . . persistent contrails are not natural . . . they are something we can remove without fear of causing an imbalance in nature . . . coffee4
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We are talking about mitigating persistent contrails . . . not engaging in active geoengineering. . . coffee4
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Since persistent contrails are a global phenomenon that affect radiative forcing, and hence climatology, any intentional change IS geo-engineering whether you want to admit it or not. They are not a local pollution like acid rain. We don’t know enough to make a change either way.
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So we shouldn't reduce the sulfur content of gasoline from 300ppm to 10ppm with that logic or have installed catalytic converters on cars . . . very strange logic . . . persistent contrails are not natural . . . they are something we can remove without fear of causing an imbalance in nature . . . coffee4
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Not natural...but they are normal.

They act exactly as they are supposed to.
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We are talking about mitigating persistent contrails . . . not engaging in active geoengineering. . . coffee4
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Since persistent contrails are a global phenomenon that affect radiative forcing, and hence climatology, any intentional change IS geo-engineering whether you want to admit it or not. They are not a local pollution like acid rain. We don’t know enough to make a change either way.
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So we shouldn't reduce the sulfur content of gasoline from 300ppm to 10ppm with that logic or have installed catalytic converters on cars . . . very strange logic . . . persistent contrails are not natural . . . they are something we can remove without fear of causing an imbalance in nature . . . coffee4
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Different and I already said the difference. They form low level pollution that immediately affects people's health. Mitigating persistent contrails, in itself, is not a bad thing but the question needs to be asked, will there be unintended consequences? You may think you know, but you don't. No one knows yet. Then there is the cost, what if we have to spend $100 billion to mitigate and it does not change climate either way. Is the cost worth it? I have already posted links showing the FAA is studying the problem. They haven’t reached a conclusion yet.

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