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If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

 
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Chemtrials are reall. The government has already admitted to chemtrailing and weather modification. The information can be accessed online.
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Chemtrials are reall. The government has already admitted to chemtrailing and weather modification. The information can be accessed online.
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Where. . . please link. . . .? You will find opinion papers, research proposals, congressional testimony on human experimentation and testing of chemical warfare simulants including dispersal of Zinc Cadmium Sulfide in the 1950s and 60s, testimony of rainmaking during the Vietnam War and spraying of agent orange, etc. and the like, but I have never seen an admission to a program anywhere near what is thought to be a chemtrail program. . . .peace

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IMO, after several years of my own independent study, the only logical large scale atmospheric aerosol injection program possible that could have a chance to operate without detection is a stratospheric injection of Sulfur Dioxide or other Sulfur compounds . . . that means a handful of heavy lift aircraft dedicated to multiple flights each day reaching 35,000 to 45,000 feet in the Northern Latitudes . . . Note: They would likely not be visible unless they (sulfur aerosols) were injected through the engines . . . then they would follow the same physics as any particulates released in a jet exhaust as far as visible persistence . . . visibility has very little to do with the climatic effect of aerosols . . .verycool
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No, the question is, if you wanted to do that, why would you do it at 40,000 feet where the wind is blowing at least 100 fucking MPH?

Jesus George! For the love of GOD, THINK!
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If it is for geoengineering of the planet it matters not whether there is a 200 mph wind . . . the most important issue is the latitude and altitude . . . coffee4 Think AC!!!!
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And not one pilot, not one mechanic, not one AC design engineer, not one petrol worker, not one person in any industry associated with avation or chemical engineering or meteorology, and not one dumbass politician like that sick fuck Kucinich will blow the whistle.... Not one....

Amazing how they manage all those people considering they're complicit in fucking their own planet up.... Damn George, it's just amazing.
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I didn't say it was highly likely; however, to put 1 million tons of sulfur
compounds into the stratosphere annually would require only a handful of heavy lift aircraft flying dedicated missions . . . well within the budget and technology of any G20 nation and many multi-national corporation . . . goodnews
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David Keith on the Australian ABC . . .

[link to www.abc.net.au]

[link to www.abc.net.au]

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TONY JONES, PRESENTER: Earlier today I spoke with geoengineering expert David Keith, Professor of Applied Physics at the Harvard School of Engineering and Applied Sciences. He was in Calgary, Canada.

David Keith, thanks for joining us.

DAVID KEITH, APPLIED PHYSICS AND ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING, HARVARD: Great to be here.

TONY JONES: Now scientists originally calculated that the major impact of global warming would happen towards the end of this century, so geoengineering was considered to be something far off in the distant and really science fiction for most people. Why the urgency now? Why has the debate changed?

DAVID KEITH: I think the debate's changed really because the sort of taboo that we wouldn't talk about it has been broken. So, people have actually known you could do these things for better or for worse for decades, actually since the '60s, but people were sort of afraid to talk about them in polite company for fear that just talking about it would let people off the hook so they wouldn't cut emissions.


TONY JONES: Do you have any sort of idea at all what kind of timescale there might be before governments are forced to seriously consider this? Is it 10, 20, 30, 50 years?

DAVID KEITH: Well, forced is a very fuzzy word, so a popular thing to say in this business is to say that we would do it in the case of a climate emergency. But that's kind of easy to say. In a case of emergency we should do all sorts of wild things, but it's not clear what an emergency is. So I'm a little sticky with the word forced. But I think it could happen any time from a decade from now to many, many decades hence.

The big question right now really is: should we do research in the open atmosphere? Should we go outside of the laboratory and begin to actually tinker with the system and learn more about whether this will work or not. And I'm somebody who advocates that we do do such research.

And one thing that research may show is that this doesn't work as well as we think. And my view is: whether you're somebody who hopes this will work or hopes it doesn't, more knowledge is a good thing.

TONY JONES: So if you were given the go-ahead to do research and the funds to do it, because I imagine it would be very expensive, what would you actually do?

DAVID KEITH: It's not very expensive actually to begin to do little in-situ experiments. So I am working on one and many other people are. So what we would do - the experiment that I'm most involved with would look at a certain aspect of stratospheric chemistry, of the way that the ozone layer is damaged and we'd be looking at whether or not and how much increase of water vapour in the stratosphere, which may happen naturally, and also the increase of sulphate aerosols if we geoengineered might damage the ozone layer.



TONY JONES: Is it clear now or is it becoming clearer that the best strategy if you wanted to go to a global scale would be literally flooding the stratosphere with sulphate particles?

DAVID KEITH: I think the honest answer has to be that we don't know, that you need to do the research in order to have strong opinions about what's the right answer. I would say, you know, if you really put a gun to my head and said, "What's the very most likely thing to work right now?" that's probably it. And the reason is because it mimics what nature has done.

So we have big volcanoes that put sulphur in the stratosphere and we know something about the bad impacts of that and we know something about what it does to cool the planet. And so it seems pretty likely that since we'd be putting in much less than nature puts in, at least for the first half century or more, that we could actually do something and control the risks.


TONY JONES: Yes, is there a fear raised by what you're saying that some country, a superpower, China, for example, has been suggested, could actually do something like this unilaterally and thereby create conflict over the whole idea of geo-engineering?

DAVID KEITH: Yes, it's certainly possible. So, there's no question it's technically possible to do it unilaterally. So, the actual materials you need, the aircraft and engineering you need to do this are something that would be in reach easily of any of the G20 states. It's not hard to do. You could buy the equipment from many aeronautical contractors.

So in that sense it could be done unilaterally. I think that there are scenarios under which it would happen in the real world unilaterally, but I don't think we should - I mean, I think you can exaggerate that possibility.


TONY JONES: And final question, because you probably - if someone decided to do this, even if a group of nations decided to do this, there'd be tremendous scepticism in the public and you would, I imagine, get widespread protests, particularly when people realise that with sulphate particles in the atmosphere you'd actually change the colour of the sky, which has a really big psychological effect on people, you would imagine.

How serious first of all would that change of colour be if you really were able to do it on a global scale and would you expect protests?

DAVID KEITH: I think the change of colour would probably be invisible. I think it wouldn't happen. So people have published papers where they get that, but only where they assume a quite large amount of geoengineering. They assume that geoengineering compensates all of the effect of climate change, which I think is a kind of nonsense policy.
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chemtrails are a good way to detect the morons in our society
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Or to identify intolerant people like Noble . . .

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The reason why I don't think the persistent trails in the sky are chemtrails . . . that does not mean some form of geoengineering experimentation has not or is not taking place . . .

One thing I would add . . .

If I meant you harm, I would hide it well
Why hang it in the air for all to see
I'd spray them at night to dissipate
So if you see them in the air no need to fear
They are clouds writing a tale of trade and travel

If Atmospheric Science is not your bag
Simple logic can prevail, you see
Simple, No one puts a sign in the air if they wish to hide

Why would I put a billboard in the sky?
Ask yourself . . . Why would I put a billboard in the sky?

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I have not kept it a secret that I think most if not all persistent trails we see in the sky are persistent exhaust from aviation not a covert aerosol injection project . . . however, I do understand how people can feel differently . . .

1) I agree the government should be watched . . . that they are capable of doing some stupid things in secret which they thought were expedient at the time . . .

The events which brought chemtrails to the public may have been a mistake; however, it retains traction for some reason . . . one of the reasons is a distrust of "Them" what are in charge . . .

Another reason is the lack of progress in the mitigation of persistent contrails and cirrus cloud banks . . . I suggest a rational policy would be . . . make progress in that direction as soon as possible for several logical reasons . . . one of which is to remove suspicion from the government and aviation in general . . .

2) One reason I think a massive covert program doesn't exists managed by the aviation industry is . . . if I were trying to remain secret, I would not call attention to my self by spraying visible persistent trails all over the skies . . . and usually near the highest density population centers at that . . . a guarantee I would be discovered. . . shitstir2


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World wide cloud seeding program NOT aliens or Evil Magic!

Just because they don't go around giving you personal reports about the science of rain making doesn't mean its EVIL MAGIC!

They have not released a lot of info on this be they don't want to cater to popular fears of EVIL MAGIC!!


THE END!



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World wide cloud seeding program NOT aliens or Evil Magic!

Just because they don't go around giving you personal reports about the science of rain making doesn't mean its EVIL MAGIC!

They have not released a lot of info on this be they don't want to cater to popular fears of EVIL MAGIC!!


THE END!



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So you feel cloud seeding is extremely common and people are confused by the persistent trails in the sky? What do you think the persistent trails in the sky are?coffee4
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You didn't say it was highly likely?

So, you've been wasting your life away on this chemfucktard bullshit because it's NOT LIKELY then, riiiiiiiigt.

Hoooookay, so at least you know it's BS. At least we got that straight. Take your meds George. Take those meds. Time for beddie-bye now.... G'night.

Whew!
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Much speculation is done all the time. . . as in the existence of alien life, UFOs, and so forth. . . . One adds to the mix the existence of a need . . . as in global warming . . . and add covert and powerful agencies with hidden budgets as in the black agencies . . . . one can easily conjure up all kinds of possibilities. . . as in the existence of the early geoengineering research done by the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories . . . The same people who brought us SDI and atomic weapons. . . . I think they are quite capable of designing and supervising a simple project like Geoengineering . . . .coffee4
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One big difference here, George.... We have confirmation that SDI and atomic weapons exist. Those are real things. I know for a fact that atomic weapons exist. Just look at Detroit and you can see the results.
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Geoengineering my ass.

The only geoengineering you're likely to see is an asteroid strike.

You could rev every jet and hummer engine ever made to 100% power and run them to the end of time and you couldn't equal the effect of a single Mt. Pinatubo eruption.

Just wait until Yellowstone cooks off. You'll see some geoengineering alright.
The thing that concerns me is that there are people out there that will take what you say and consider it as a possibility. There are all kinds of sick mother fuckers out here. I hate the idea of someone actually believing your bitch ass.
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You didn't say it was highly likely?

So, you've been wasting your life away on this chemfucktard bullshit because it's NOT LIKELY then, riiiiiiiigt.

Hoooookay, so at least you know it's BS. At least we got that straight. Take your meds George. Take those meds. Time for beddie-bye now.... G'night.

Whew!
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Much speculation is done all the time. . . as in the existence of alien life, UFOs, and so forth. . . . One adds to the mix the existence of a need . . . as in global warming . . . and add covert and powerful agencies with hidden budgets as in the black agencies . . . . one can easily conjure up all kinds of possibilities. . . as in the existence of the early geoengineering research done by the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories . . . The same people who brought us SDI and atomic weapons. . . . I think they are quite capable of designing and supervising a simple project like Geoengineering . . . .coffee4
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One big difference here, George.... We have confirmation that SDI and atomic weapons exist. Those are real things. I know for a fact that atomic weapons exist. Just look at Detroit and you can see the results.
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Detroit??? Yes we have conformation of what they want us to know about SDI and atomic weapons. . . . just like we know what they want us to know about geoengineering. . . .think about it. . . .ohno
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chemtrails are a good way to detect the morons in our society
chemtrails are a good way to detect the morons in our society
chemtrails are a good way to detect the morons in our society
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Or to identify intolerant people like Noble . . .

________________

The reason why I don't think the persistent trails in the sky are chemtrails . . . that does not mean some form of geoengineering experimentation has not or is not taking place . . .

One thing I would add . . .

If I meant you harm, I would hide it well
Why hang it in the air for all to see
I'd spray them at night to dissipate
So if you see them in the air no need to fear
They are clouds writing a tale of trade and travel

If Atmospheric Science is not your bag
Simple logic can prevail, you see
Simple, No one puts a sign in the air if they wish to hide

Why would I put a billboard in the sky?
Ask yourself . . . Why would I put a billboard in the sky?

goaway
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Contrail Chemtra
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Geoengineering my ass.

The only geoengineering you're likely to see is an asteroid strike.

You could rev every jet and hummer engine ever made to 100% power and run them to the end of time and you couldn't equal the effect of a single Mt. Pinatubo eruption.

Just wait until Yellowstone cooks off. You'll see some geoengineering alright.
The thing that concerns me is that there are people out there that will take what you say and consider it as a possibility. There are all kinds of sick mother fuckers out here. I hate the idea of someone actually believing your bitch ass.
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Plenty of scientific papers, proposals and research would disagree with you. . . . sure 20 Million Tons of sulfur Dioxide injected into the stratosphere by Mt Pinatubo was far beyond the present economic ability for man to lift sulfur into the stratosphere . . . but research indicates one to five Million Tons would have a significant cooling effect. . . and if you are desperate for a short term solution it could very well work . . .

So If you need to direct your anger toward me that is fine . . . better that than directing it toward all those scientists proposing such possible solutions to a global warming crisis. . . . .huffy

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The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

1) TV news stories about them . . .
2) I have dreams about them . . 
3) Documentaries about them on the History Channel . . .
4) YouTube Videos about chemtrails
5) Reading about different conspiracies they mentioned them .  . .
6) My friends and/or family talk about them . . .
7) There are websites I visit that talk about them . . .
8) I see persistent trails in the skies . . . 
9) Rap songs or other entertainment including celebrities
10) Scientific papers, patents, symposia (mainstream)
11)  Papers, articles, symposia by other chemtrail believes 
12) Other. . .  please specify in this Thread. . . . 
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Seeing 3 planes spraying lines in the sky that form "x's" that then expand into each other to form a giant cloud canopy over the entire region all day long. I do not need anyone telling me, I've seen it myself along with thousands of others.
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If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

1) TV news stories about them . . .
2) I have dreams about them . . 
3) Documentaries about them on the History Channel . . .
4) YouTube Videos about chemtrails
5) Reading about different conspiracies they mentioned them .  . .
6) My friends and/or family talk about them . . .
7) There are websites I visit that talk about them . . .
8) I see persistent trails in the skies . . . 
9) Rap songs or other entertainment including celebrities
10) Scientific papers, patents, symposia (mainstream)
11)  Papers, articles, symposia by other chemtrail believes 
12) Other. . .  please specify in this Thread. . . . 
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Seeing 3 planes spraying lines in the sky that form "x's" that then expand into each other to form a giant cloud canopy over the entire region all day long. I do not need anyone telling me, I've seen it myself along with thousands of others.
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Possible alternative explanation for what you witnessed : Upper atmospheric winds move trails around very easily . . . crosswinds, Updrafts, downdrafts. etc. . . .

[link to www.met.reading.ac.uk]

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Geoengineering my ass.

The only geoengineering you're likely to see is an asteroid strike.

You could rev every jet and hummer engine ever made to 100% power and run them to the end of time and you couldn't equal the effect of a single Mt. Pinatubo eruption.

Just wait until Yellowstone cooks off. You'll see some geoengineering alright.
The thing that concerns me is that there are people out there that will take what you say and consider it as a possibility. There are all kinds of sick mother fuckers out here. I hate the idea of someone actually believing your bitch ass.
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Plenty of scientific papers, proposals and research would disagree with you. . . . sure 20 Million Tons of sulfur Dioxide injected into the stratosphere by Mt Pinatubo was far beyond the present economic ability for man to lift sulfur into the stratosphere . . . but research indicates one to five Million Tons would have a significant cooling effect. . . and if you are desperate for a short term solution it could very well work . . .

So If you need to direct your anger toward me that is fine . . . better that than directing it toward all those scientists proposing such possible solutions to a global warming crisis. . . . .huffy
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Since there's no such thing as global warming, there's no global warming crisis. There, all better now?
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If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

1) TV news stories about them . . .
2) I have dreams about them . . 
3) Documentaries about them on the History Channel . . .
4) YouTube Videos about chemtrails
5) Reading about different conspiracies they mentioned them .  . .
6) My friends and/or family talk about them . . .
7) There are websites I visit that talk about them . . .
8) I see persistent trails in the skies . . . 
9) Rap songs or other entertainment including celebrities
10) Scientific papers, patents, symposia (mainstream)
11)  Papers, articles, symposia by other chemtrail believes 
12) Other. . .  please specify in this Thread. . . . 
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Seeing 3 planes spraying lines in the sky that form "x's" that then expand into each other to form a giant cloud canopy over the entire region all day long. I do not need anyone telling me, I've seen it myself along with thousands of others.
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And when it's really cold outside and you exhale and see a mist out of your own mouth..... does it scare you? That is the EXACT same thing you're seeing in the sky. Please grow up.
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Geoengineering my ass.

The only geoengineering you're likely to see is an asteroid strike.

You could rev every jet and hummer engine ever made to 100% power and run them to the end of time and you couldn't equal the effect of a single Mt. Pinatubo eruption.

Just wait until Yellowstone cooks off. You'll see some geoengineering alright.
The thing that concerns me is that there are people out there that will take what you say and consider it as a possibility. There are all kinds of sick mother fuckers out here. I hate the idea of someone actually believing your bitch ass.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5917739


Plenty of scientific papers, proposals and research would disagree with you. . . . sure 20 Million Tons of sulfur Dioxide injected into the stratosphere by Mt Pinatubo was far beyond the present economic ability for man to lift sulfur into the stratosphere . . . but research indicates one to five Million Tons would have a significant cooling effect. . . and if you are desperate for a short term solution it could very well work . . .

So If you need to direct your anger toward me that is fine . . . better that than directing it toward all those scientists proposing such possible solutions to a global warming crisis. . . . .huffy
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Since there's no such thing as global warming, there's no global warming crisis. There, all better now?
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LoL!!!! You can say that but there has been millions spent on the propaganda to say it does exist. . . IMO the question is not whether it exists but how dire the warming is. . . I lived in Alaska during the 1990s and witnessed with my own eyes the incredible receding of several land based glaciers . . . Greendland also attests to the same process. . . . you can Poo Poo it all you want but it EXISTS. .

. . .. . .goaway
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QUESTION. . . .Are persistent contrails more or less visible than a possible Chemtrail . . .?


ANSWER. . . . We don't really know . . . But suspect it might . . .

visible persistent trails in the sky are about several factors including the exhaust's exit temperature, exhaust's and ambient Relative Humidity, ambient particulate nuclei and those supplied by the combustion products, fuel contaminates and additives, CO2, NOx, Sulfur, soot, H20 and metal particulates from the engines, the updrafts and downdrafts not to mention the effect of the wing and control surface vortices . . . and what about the exhausts' probability to persist or form cirrus cloud banks . . .?

How can you tell if someone has not added something to the fuel or injected something into the atmosphere through some systematic (pre or post exhaust) process and if they did what effect would it have on visibility or persistence. . . and how would you ever know what the substances were or the concentrations used . . .?

Visibility is fleeting whether for a few seconds or several hours . . . the injected materials (intentional or not) will no longer be visible from the ground . . .

1) IMO Most persistent Trails (Persistent Contrails) are 99.99% water vapor . . . which is a powerful greenhouse gas by the way and are the product of the newer high efficiency jet engines and generally higher cruising altitudes that have increased in number and frequency on long haul flights which have increased over the last two decades . . . they are more likely to form in suboptimal air and at higher ambient temperatures than the exhaust from the lower efficiency engines . . .

2) Secondly, there is research which tested the visual appearance and measurement of Sulfur compounds when added to the fuel at different ppms. . . why this research was done I am not really sure . . .

3) My paranoid suspicion is there was a reason for the research . . . "can we add higher concentrations of Sulfur to jet fuel and will it be noticed?"

Last Edited by George B on 03/24/2013 08:23 AM
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POLL: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?
8) I see persistent trails in the skies . . .    76.8% (116)
10) Scientific papers, patents, symposia (mainstream) . . .   6.6% (10)
12) Other. . .  please specify in this Thread. . . .    6.0% (9)
4) YouTube Videos about chemtrails . . .   3.3% (5)
5) Reading about different conspiracies they mentioned them .  .   2.0% (3)
7) There are websites I visit that talk about them . . .   2.0% (3)
3) Documentaries about them on the History Channel . . .   1.3% (2)
9) Rap songs or other entertainment including celebrities . . .   1.3% (2)
11)  Papers, articles, symposia by other chemtrail believes . . .   0.7% (1)
1) TV news stories about them . . .   0% (0)
2) I have dreams about them . .    0% (0)
6) My friends and/or family talk about them . . .   0% (0)
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POLL: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?
8) I see persistent trails in the skies . . . 74.8% (119)
10) Scientific papers, patents, symposia (mainstream) . . . 7.5% (12)
12) Other. . . please specify in this Thread. . . . 6.3% (10)
4) YouTube Videos about chemtrails . . . 3.1% (5)
5) Reading about different conspiracies they mentioned them . . 2.5% (4)
7) There are websites I visit that talk about them . . . 1.9% (3)
3) Documentaries about them on the History Channel . . . 1.3% (2)
9) Rap songs or other entertainment including celebrities . . . 1.3% (2)
11) Papers, articles, symposia by other chemtrail believes . . . 1.3% (2)
1) TV news stories about them . . . 0% (0)
2) I have dreams about them . . 0% (0)
6) My friends and/or family talk about them . . . 0% (0)
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Non-Blank Votes: 159
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Can we add viruses to the contrails and be noticed? There is a 51% chance of getting sick when you fly. Does that super jet fuel that causes contrails that are called chemtrails have aluminum in it too? Aluminum is showing up on the ground they say, it is toxic in higher doses. How would the jets fly more fuel efficiently with aluminum in the gas tanks? coffee4 My first cup was great today.

I don't get the reasoning that if we all can see it then it is not a secret but just a new kind of jet fuel. That doesn't explain the patterns in the skies or the attempt to fully cover the sky by flying row after row. Maybe they are just trying not to fly in each others wake like driving a boat. Just because it is obvious doesn't mean it's harmless. Remember the nice blankets we gave to the Indians that had small pox on them?indy
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Government patents for the technology, dating back over 40 years.
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others laying low,
vying with those who you've traded your life to to bless your soul,
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chemtrails are a good way to detect the morons in our society
chemtrails are a good way to detect the morons in our society
chemtrails are a good way to detect the morons in our society
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20574169


Or to identify intolerant people like Noble . . .

________________

The reason why I don't think the persistent trails in the sky are chemtrails . . . that does not mean some form of geoengineering experimentation has not or is not taking place . . .

One thing I would add . . .

If I meant you harm, I would hide it well
Why hang it in the air for all to see
I'd spray them at night to dissipate
So if you see them in the air no need to fear
They are clouds writing a tale of trade and travel

If Atmospheric Science is not your bag
Simple logic can prevail, you see
Simple, No one puts a sign in the air if they wish to hide

Why would I put a billboard in the sky?
Ask yourself . . . Why would I put a billboard in the sky?

goaway
 Quoting: George B


:Contrail Chemtra:
 Quoting: George B


Geroge B you are on here to mislead people. You have an agenda. you twist things. You are a fake and a game player.
I hope people don't fall for your tactics.

Chemtrails are very real, call them aerosol spraying, whatever, they are NOT the same as CONTRAILS. Any observer can see that.
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[link to lightworkers.org]

Here's a fairly in-depth into the subject. I've lived on military bases for most of my life and as a kid growing up on them i don't ever remember the sky being completely turned into a grey mush back then like it does now. And by no means am i saying that it happens all the time, but rather seems very strategic. And perhaps a counter argument would say that these "grey mush sky days" are nothing but the "perfect conditions" for creating persistent contrails, and to that i say that these conditions from one of the "grey mush days" to the next day were not varied enough to make sense for the clear sky one day(no persistent contrail) and then the next day the sky is completely greyed out from these patterns. So basically what im saying is that ive seen normal contrails one day and then the next day ive seen a completely different grey mushed out sky with no change in atmospheric conditions.
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[link to lightworkers.org]

Here's a fairly in-depth into the subject
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Was supposed to say a fairly in-depth discourse into the subject.
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Government patents for the technology, dating back over 40 years.
 Quoting: NSF001


Thanks for your participation. . . .Me thinks the classified (secret) patents would be more relevant to a covert program. . . .dasbier
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I look up in the sky and see them all the time. We get bombarded. That is all the proof I need.
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Why do you think what you are seeing are chemtrails . . .? What is your definition of Chemtrails?
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Heh. See if you have any better luck getting them to answer that question than I ever have.

Bottom line of "chemtrail" belief: "I CAN SEEEE THEM!"
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Can we add viruses to the contrails and be noticed? There is a 51% chance of getting sick when you fly. Does that super jet fuel that causes contrails that are called chemtrails have aluminum in it too? Aluminum is showing up on the ground they say, it is toxic in higher doses. How would the jets fly more fuel efficiently with aluminum in the gas tanks? coffee4 My first cup was great today.

I don't get the reasoning that if we all can see it then it is not a secret but just a new kind of jet fuel. That doesn't explain the patterns in the skies or the attempt to fully cover the sky by flying row after row. Maybe they are just trying not to fly in each others wake like driving a boat. Just because it is obvious doesn't mean it's harmless. Remember the nice blankets we gave to the Indians that had small pox on them?indy
 Quoting: WindyMind


Windy, in a short Post you have brought many complex issues . . . verycool

1) Sure viruses can be added to any spray or aerosol and few if anyone would know it . . .
2) People get sick from aircraft trips because of the concentrated, recycled air . . . you are getting many times the exposure to disease organisms than you would get outside on a walk of the same duration . . .
3) Aluminum is so available from so many different sources it is almost impossible to prove it is coming from aircraft aerosols . . .
4) Aircraft would not fly more efficiently with aluminum in the fuel tanks . . .
5) More trails in the air a product most likely of more air traffic, at generally higher cruising altitudes with more efficient engines . . . patterns can occur by prevailing winds at different altitudes and time lapses between aircraft flying on similar flight vectors intersecting with aircraft flying at nearly perpendicular flight vectors . . . this is not totally unusual because on can see aircraft flying 20 to 100 miles away . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B

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