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If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064  United States03/30/2013 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37139942 There is nothing paranoid about noticing chemtrails. what would be lame is thinking that everything is a contrail that's coming from behind the plane. Don't you think that by now people are on to what you are attempting to debunk? May as well give it up, it is useless, these shill post, all the same, all meaningless. The problem is, I see no evidence that what you are referring to aren't contrails. What's lame s believing that a trail contains chemicals just because of the way it looks. And no, I don't think you people have a clue about anything. But please, continue posting ignorant nonsense. And I'll continue to point it out. Anyone reading through your posts would assume you are the clueless one. All you tout are contrails and some fear you have of fear.  On a pretty limited script obviously. Trade your disinfo manual in for a new one.Chemtrails are real!!!!!!!! Awe, go ahead.......hit send post with your favorite lines of ad hom, condensation, useless rhetoric......it's all in a days pay.  "Condensation"  Oh, the irony! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36419852 United States03/30/2013 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064 The problem is, I see no evidence that what you are referring to aren't contrails. What's lame s believing that a trail contains chemicals just because of the way it looks. And no, I don't think you people have a clue about anything. But please, continue posting ignorant nonsense. And I'll continue to point it out. Anyone reading through your posts would assume you are the clueless one. All you tout are contrails and some fear you have of fear. On a pretty limited script obviously. Trade your disinfo manual in for a new one.Chemtrails are real!!!!!!!! Awe, go ahead.......hit send post with your favorite lines of ad hom, condensation, useless rhetoric......it's all in a days pay. And anyone with intelligence reading through chemtard posts SHOULD be concerned about a complete lack of evidence to support what you expel claim. Just look at your own post...accusations, statements of fact...with NOTHING to support them but your own belief...which s based on a lack of education in aviation and science. Chemtrails may very well be real...but how do you know you have actually seen a single one...you don't. You are the one who boasts of intelligence and education in aviation/science, but you never seem to have a convincing argument to prove that chemtrails do not exist. I've never said that all the contrails have chemicals in them. Never said I was into aviation/science. I know what I see and the sky is a hell of a lot different in the last few years than in the last 100 years of contrails. I've read what a lot of sources have to say about chemtrails and what is happening. Have visited meta.bunk and contrail science and various other sites for information. But most of all I believe George has some good information as well as ideas about global warming, weather modification and possibilities of what is going on in this world. No, I don't have the education in aviation/science, but a better understanding of what it's all about is surely not forthcoming from you. So no, noone needs to prove anything to you. I'm here for the information and knowledge about what I strongly feel is a bad situation, that chemtrails do exist. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States03/30/2013 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36419852 Anyone reading through your posts would assume you are the clueless one. All you tout are contrails and some fear you have of fear. On a pretty limited script obviously. Trade your disinfo manual in for a new one.Chemtrails are real!!!!!!!! Awe, go ahead.......hit send post with your favorite lines of ad hom, condensation, useless rhetoric......it's all in a days pay. And anyone with intelligence reading through chemtard posts SHOULD be concerned about a complete lack of evidence to support what you expel claim. Just look at your own post...accusations, statements of fact...with NOTHING to support them but your own belief...which s based on a lack of education in aviation and science. Chemtrails may very well be real...but how do you know you have actually seen a single one...you don't. You are the one who boasts of intelligence and education in aviation/science, but you never seem to have a convincing argument to prove that chemtrails do not exist. I've never said that all the contrails have chemicals in them. Never said I was into aviation/science. I know what I see and the sky is a hell of a lot different in the last few years than in the last 100 years of contrails. I've read what a lot of sources have to say about chemtrails and what is happening. Have visited meta.bunk and contrail science and various other sites for information. But most of all I believe George has some good information as well as ideas about global warming, weather modification and possibilities of what is going on in this world. No, I don't have the education in aviation/science, but a better understanding of what it's all about is surely not forthcoming from you. So no, noone needs to prove anything to you. I'm here for the information and knowledge about what I strongly feel is a bad situation, that chemtrails do exist. I have never tried to prove/say/write that "chemtrails" don't exist. Show me where i have done any such thing. My position is that there is no evidence that any image that chemtards post is that of anything more than a contrail.. It's such a simple position even you should understand it...but, you can't. I don't wonder why. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36419852 United States03/30/2013 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36419852 And anyone with intelligence reading through chemtard posts SHOULD be concerned about a complete lack of evidence to support what you expel claim. Just look at your own post...accusations, statements of fact...with NOTHING to support them but your own belief...which s based on a lack of education in aviation and science. Chemtrails may very well be real...but how do you know you have actually seen a single one...you don't. You are the one who boasts of intelligence and education in aviation/science, but you never seem to have a convincing argument to prove that chemtrails do not exist. I've never said that all the contrails have chemicals in them. Never said I was into aviation/science. I know what I see and the sky is a hell of a lot different in the last few years than in the last 100 years of contrails. I've read what a lot of sources have to say about chemtrails and what is happening. Have visited meta.bunk and contrail science and various other sites for information. But most of all I believe George has some good information as well as ideas about global warming, weather modification and possibilities of what is going on in this world. No, I don't have the education in aviation/science, but a better understanding of what it's all about is surely not forthcoming from you. So no, noone needs to prove anything to you. I'm here for the information and knowledge about what I strongly feel is a bad situation, that chemtrails do exist. I have never tried to prove/say/write that "chemtrails" don't exist. Show me where i have done any such thing. My position is that there is no evidence that any image that chemtards post is that of anything more than a contrail.. It's such a simple position even you should understand it...but, you can't. I don't wonder why. Yes, I do understand. Completely. Loud and clear. Just what I figured. Good luck with that. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States03/30/2013 06:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? No substance just more insults. Can't discuss like an adult. You have yet to convince anyone that understands science that chemtrails are anything more than contrails. Which means that your questions of 'why, who is doing it, funding it, what will happen when it is stopped' are totally moot. First prove they are what you say they are then you go on. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183 There's nothing to discuss. Bad doggie, no biscuit. Not with you. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States03/30/2013 06:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? Interseting . . . They are proposing to cut Sulfur content for automobiles from 300 ppm to 30 ppm now at a cost of 10 billion dollars to 10 pm for another 10 billion dollars. . . while the standard for aircraft is still 3,000 ppm. . . Why is that???  " Charles T. Drevna, president of the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, the refiners’ main trade association, said the companies had in the last few years cut the sulfur content by 90 percent, to 30 parts from 300 parts, at a cost of $10 billion in capital improvements. He said that the proposed cut would cost another $10 billion. Because the process consumes energy, it will raise the carbon dioxide output of refineries. Gasoline in the other 49 states can now have up to 30 parts of sulfur per million, and the proposed rule will be 10." Better lobby |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States03/30/2013 06:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064 You are the one who boasts of intelligence and education in aviation/science, but you never seem to have a convincing argument to prove that chemtrails do not exist. I've never said that all the contrails have chemicals in them. Never said I was into aviation/science. I know what I see and the sky is a hell of a lot different in the last few years than in the last 100 years of contrails. I've read what a lot of sources have to say about chemtrails and what is happening. Have visited meta.bunk and contrail science and various other sites for information. But most of all I believe George has some good information as well as ideas about global warming, weather modification and possibilities of what is going on in this world. No, I don't have the education in aviation/science, but a better understanding of what it's all about is surely not forthcoming from you. So no, noone needs to prove anything to you. I'm here for the information and knowledge about what I strongly feel is a bad situation, that chemtrails do exist. I have never tried to prove/say/write that "chemtrails" don't exist. Show me where i have done any such thing. My position is that there is no evidence that any image that chemtards post is that of anything more than a contrail.. It's such a simple position even you should understand it...but, you can't. I don't wonder why. Yes, I do understand. Completely. Loud and clear. Just what I figured. Good luck with that. If its just what you figured..,then why did you accuse me if something else?! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States03/30/2013 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? Ironic isn't it (The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor)-the one instrument that could have answered many of the needed answers about aerosols possible origins and climatic effects was a Raytheon project . . . and . . . was somehow lost by a failed launch!!! What are the odds????? Quoting: George B  --------- Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) will measure aerosols in Earth’s atmosphere to provide scientists and policy makers a better understanding of how those aerosols affect global climate change. “The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor can distinguish between various types of aerosols and reveal the different role each plays in either warming or cooling our planet,” said Bill Hart, vice president, Space Systems. “Since black carbon aerosols generally contribute to warming, and sulfate aerosols to cooling, the concentrations of these aerosols and others must be determined to ensure accurate climate modeling.” Both natural and man-made aerosols are important constituents of the atmosphere that affect global temperature. Yet they remain poorly quantified and, according to NASA scientists, represent the largest uncertainty regarding climate change. [link to www.raytheon.com] On 4 March 2011, the Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) was lost as a consequence of the failed launch of the Glory Mission. On 6 March 2011, Dr. Michael Freilich, Director of the Earth Science Division, Science Mission Directorate, NASA Headquarters, directed the Glory APS Science Team to perform a comprehensive study intended to develop and evaluate the science rationale for an APS reflight. [link to glory.giss.nasa.gov] Third time's the charm . . . incompetence personified . . . seems beyond even the government to use the same failed company . . . unless you have a reason to make all climate analysis systems fall into the ocean . . . LoL!!!!!! [link to www.youtube.com] Both the rocket and the satellite were built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va. . . . and they still have the contract for the next launch . . . !!!!! [link to www.nytimes.com] Check the statistics. Many satellites are lost to launch failure. It wasn't the first and probably won't be the last |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States03/30/2013 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? More evidence that cirrus clouds contribute to global warming . . . this is important people . . . Quoting: George B  "Low altitude clouds composed of water droplets (i.e., not ice) typically reflect solar radiation and cool the atmosphere, while high altitude, icy, cirrus clouds typically trap outgoing infrared radiation and creating additional warming. Dessler found about an 80 percent likelihood that from 2000 to 2010 the global cloud cover created a positive feedback -- which means that on the whole clouds created an additional warming effect on the planet." [link to www.nasa.gov] Oh please.. Why don't you just say, chemtrails are supposedly for global warming. Seems the trend is unmistakable . . . more persistent trails from aircraft = more cirrus clouds = more atmospheric warming and surface temperature warming = more global warming . . .  Thought you were arguing that they counteracted global warming |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States03/30/2013 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? More evidence that cirrus clouds contribute to global warming . . . this is important people . . . Quoting: George B "Low altitude clouds composed of water droplets (i.e., not ice) typically reflect solar radiation and cool the atmosphere, while high altitude, icy, cirrus clouds typically trap outgoing infrared radiation and creating additional warming. Dessler found about an 80 percent likelihood that from 2000 to 2010 the global cloud cover created a positive feedback -- which means that on the whole clouds created an additional warming effect on the planet." [link to www.nasa.gov] Oh please.. Why don't you just say, chemtrails are supposedly for global warming. Seems the trend is unmistakable . . . more persistent trails from aircraft = more cirrus clouds = more atmospheric warming and surface temperature warming = more global warming . . . Thought you were arguing that they counteracted global warming Only if they are adding sulfur.... He floats back and forth.... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States03/30/2013 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? The stupid quote of the night.. "All you have to do is watch how it spreads and forms a big blanket 'cloud' to cover a area to know its not a ice particle contrail." Don't people know what clouds are?! |
| George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten!  User ID: 19998253 United States03/30/2013 07:17 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? Interseting . . . They are proposing to cut Sulfur content for automobiles from 300 ppm to 30 ppm now at a cost of 10 billion dollars to 10 pm for another 10 billion dollars. . . while the standard for aircraft is still 3,000 ppm. . . Why is that??? " Charles T. Drevna, president of the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, the refiners’ main trade association, said the companies had in the last few years cut the sulfur content by 90 percent, to 30 parts from 300 parts, at a cost of $10 billion in capital improvements. He said that the proposed cut would cost another $10 billion. Because the process consumes energy, it will raise the carbon dioxide output of refineries. Gasoline in the other 49 states can now have up to 30 parts of sulfur per million, and the proposed rule will be 10." Better lobby No doubt . . . that is a significant problem . . . while joe public scrapes his dimes together to drive his family to a family reunion . . . the more affluent gets protected by burning cheaper fuel flying on a business or holiday trip . . . while no one in the aircraft industry gives a damn about even the most rudimentary mitigation procedure to reduce global warming or the ugly trails in the sky . . .  Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States03/30/2013 07:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? Interseting . . . They are proposing to cut Sulfur content for automobiles from 300 ppm to 30 ppm now at a cost of 10 billion dollars to 10 pm for another 10 billion dollars. . . while the standard for aircraft is still 3,000 ppm. . . Why is that??? " Charles T. Drevna, president of the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, the refiners’ main trade association, said the companies had in the last few years cut the sulfur content by 90 percent, to 30 parts from 300 parts, at a cost of $10 billion in capital improvements. He said that the proposed cut would cost another $10 billion. Because the process consumes energy, it will raise the carbon dioxide output of refineries. Gasoline in the other 49 states can now have up to 30 parts of sulfur per million, and the proposed rule will be 10." Better lobby No doubt . . . that is a significant problem . . . while joe public scrapes his dimes together to drive his family to a family reunion . . . the more affluent gets protected by burning cheaper fuel flying on a business or holiday trip . . . while no one in the aircraft industry gives a damn about even the most rudimentary mitigation procedure to reduce global warming or the ugly trails in the sky . . . It's a business... There are many who can't afford the car for the family reunion!! Who's fault is that?! Don't hate on the wealthy George...it's all relative... |
| George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 19998253 United States03/30/2013 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? More evidence that cirrus clouds contribute to global warming . . . this is important people . . . Quoting: George B "Low altitude clouds composed of water droplets (i.e., not ice) typically reflect solar radiation and cool the atmosphere, while high altitude, icy, cirrus clouds typically trap outgoing infrared radiation and creating additional warming. Dessler found about an 80 percent likelihood that from 2000 to 2010 the global cloud cover created a positive feedback -- which means that on the whole clouds created an additional warming effect on the planet." [link to www.nasa.gov] Oh please.. Why don't you just say, chemtrails are supposedly for global warming. Seems the trend is unmistakable . . . more persistent trails from aircraft = more cirrus clouds = more atmospheric warming and surface temperature warming = more global warming . . . Thought you were arguing that they counteracted global warming No . . . sulfur injection via increased sulfur concentration in the fuel or through dedicated flights might be a possible way to use aircraft to help . . . but all recent research indicates increased cirrus clouds increases warming . . .  Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
| George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 19998253 United States03/30/2013 07:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? ... Quoting: George B Interseting . . . They are proposing to cut Sulfur content for automobiles from 300 ppm to 30 ppm now at a cost of 10 billion dollars to 10 pm for another 10 billion dollars. . . while the standard for aircraft is still 3,000 ppm. . . Why is that??? " Charles T. Drevna, president of the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, the refiners’ main trade association, said the companies had in the last few years cut the sulfur content by 90 percent, to 30 parts from 300 parts, at a cost of $10 billion in capital improvements. He said that the proposed cut would cost another $10 billion. Because the process consumes energy, it will raise the carbon dioxide output of refineries. Gasoline in the other 49 states can now have up to 30 parts of sulfur per million, and the proposed rule will be 10." Better lobby No doubt . . . that is a significant problem . . . while joe public scrapes his dimes together to drive his family to a family reunion . . . the more affluent gets protected by burning cheaper fuel flying on a business or holiday trip . . . while no one in the aircraft industry gives a damn about even the most rudimentary mitigation procedure to reduce global warming or the ugly trails in the sky . . . It's a business... There are many who can't afford the car for the family reunion!! Who's fault is that?! Don't hate on the wealthy George...it's all relative... No IPCC and the policy wamps have made it very clear who they care about and it isn't the average world citizen . . .  Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States03/30/2013 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? No doubt . . . that is a significant problem . . . while joe public scrapes his dimes together to drive his family to a family reunion . . . the more affluent gets protected by burning cheaper fuel flying on a business or holiday trip . . . while no one in the aircraft industry gives a damn about even the most rudimentary mitigation procedure to reduce global warming or the ugly trails in the sky . . . It's a business... There are many who can't afford the car for the family reunion!! Who's fault is that?! Don't hate on the wealthy George...it's all relative... No IPCC and the policy wamps have made it very clear who they care about and it isn't the average world citizen . . . Cry me a river... |
| George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 19998253 United States03/30/2013 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? You know I have heard people say that . . . but I can't say I could tell a difference . . . that does not mean others have not seen a difference . . . Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
| George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 19998253 United States03/30/2013 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? ... Quoting: George B No doubt . . . that is a significant problem . . . while joe public scrapes his dimes together to drive his family to a family reunion . . . the more affluent gets protected by burning cheaper fuel flying on a business or holiday trip . . . while no one in the aircraft industry gives a damn about even the most rudimentary mitigation procedure to reduce global warming or the ugly trails in the sky . . . It's a business... There are many who can't afford the car for the family reunion!! Who's fault is that?! Don't hate on the wealthy George...it's all relative... No IPCC and the policy wamps have made it very clear who they care about and it isn't the average world citizen . . . Cry me a river... I know you could care less . . . that is very obvious . . .  Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
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| George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 19998253 United States03/30/2013 07:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? You know I have heard people say that . . . but I can't say I could tell a difference . . . that does not mean others have not seen a difference . . . I see that it has changed into a white silver like ball. It used to be pretty Lellow.. Do you remember when you noticed this change . . .? Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
| George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 19998253 United States03/30/2013 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? Bring it up with the airlines George, whining about it on a conspiracy site isn't going to change a thing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064 The airlines will do exactly what the FAA tells them to do, nothing more. The FAA has oversight from the Administration . . . and the lobbyists are the ones who control the FAA and the Administrations. . . who do you think the lobbyists work for ?????  Last Edited by George B on 03/30/2013 07:40 PM Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States03/30/2013 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064 It's a business... There are many who can't afford the car for the family reunion!! Who's fault is that?! Don't hate on the wealthy George...it's all relative... No IPCC and the policy wamps have made it very clear who they care about and it isn't the average world citizen . . . Cry me a river... I know you could care less . . . that is very obvious . . . Why should I care any more about those who failed to succeed?! I care about all people, but who's fault is it if someone can't afford to take trips...or a car?! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States03/30/2013 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? Bring it up with the airlines George, whining about it on a conspiracy site isn't going to change a thing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30170064 The airlines will do exactly what the FAA tells them to do, nothing more. The FAA has oversight . . . and the lobbyists are the ones who control the FAA . . . where do you think the lobbyists work for ????? Yeah, and bitching about it on a conspiracy site will get you what you want.... |
| George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 19998253 United States03/30/2013 07:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? ... Quoting: George B No IPCC and the policy wamps have made it very clear who they care about and it isn't the average world citizen . . . Cry me a river... I know you could care less . . . that is very obvious . . . Why should I care any more about those who failed to succeed?! I care about all people, but who's fault is it if someone can't afford to take trips...or a car?! So using reasonable methods to reduce persistent contrails and cirrus cloud banks to benefit everyone including the rich and poor doesn't make sense . . . ???  Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States03/30/2013 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? Why should I care any more about those who failed to succeed?! I care about all people, but who's fault is it if someone can't afford to take trips...or a car?! So using reasonable methods to reduce persistent contrails and cirrus cloud banks to benefit everyone including the rich and poor doesn't make sense . . . ??? Again, you have failed to show that the benefit is worth the cost...or even necessary. The numbers don't add up Jorge..... There are many other things to worry about first. |
| George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 19998253 United States03/30/2013 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? Ironic isn't it (The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor)-the one instrument that could have answered many of the needed answers about aerosols possible origins and climatic effects was a Raytheon project . . . and . . . was somehow lost by a failed launch!!! What are the odds????? Quoting: George B --------- Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor Raytheon’s Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) will measure aerosols in Earth’s atmosphere to provide scientists and policy makers a better understanding of how those aerosols affect global climate change. “The Glory Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor can distinguish between various types of aerosols and reveal the different role each plays in either warming or cooling our planet,” said Bill Hart, vice president, Space Systems. “Since black carbon aerosols generally contribute to warming, and sulfate aerosols to cooling, the concentrations of these aerosols and others must be determined to ensure accurate climate modeling.” Both natural and man-made aerosols are important constituents of the atmosphere that affect global temperature. Yet they remain poorly quantified and, according to NASA scientists, represent the largest uncertainty regarding climate change. [link to www.raytheon.com] On 4 March 2011, the Aerosol Polarimetry Sensor (APS) was lost as a consequence of the failed launch of the Glory Mission. On 6 March 2011, Dr. Michael Freilich, Director of the Earth Science Division, Science Mission Directorate, NASA Headquarters, directed the Glory APS Science Team to perform a comprehensive study intended to develop and evaluate the science rationale for an APS reflight. [link to glory.giss.nasa.gov] Third time's the charm . . . incompetence personified . . . seems beyond even the government to use the same failed company . . . unless you have a reason to make all climate analysis systems fall into the ocean . . . LoL!!!!!! [link to www.youtube.com] Both the rocket and the satellite were built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va. . . . and they still have the contract for the next launch . . . !!!!! [link to www.nytimes.com] Check the statistics. Many satellites are lost to launch failure. It wasn't the first and probably won't be the last I did . . . see below . . . very low failure rates but the failures seem to cluster around primarily environmental atmospheric observation satellites . . .  Looks almost like a pattern . . . . . . Some interesting evidence of the low probability of launch failures of both of the rockets and the satellites except for those that were built by Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va. . . . and they still have the contract for the next launch . . . !!!!! --------- Second Quarter 2009 Launch Report 1 The Second Quarter 2009 Quarterly Launch Report features launch results from the first quarter of 2009 ( January - March 2009) Figure 13 shows orbital and commercial suborbital launch successes vs. failures for the period from January 2009 to March 2009. Partially-successful orbital launch events are those where the launch vehicle fails to deploy its payload to the appropriate orbit, but the payload is able to reach a useable orbit via its own propulsion systems. Cases in which the payload does not reach a useable orbit or would use all of its fuel to do so are considered failures. -----The Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) is a NASA satellite mission intended to provide ... The original spacecraft was lost in a launch failure on February 24, 2009, when the payload ... Figure 13: First Quarter 2009 Launch Successes vs. Failures Failure 6% (1) Success 94% (15) Total = 16 [link to www.faa.gov] --------- [link to www.faa.gov] Launch Successes vs. Failures Figure 9: Launch Successes vs. Failures: April 2011 - September 2011 Failure 7% (3) Success 93% (42) -----The Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) is a NASA satellite mission intended to provide ... The original spacecraft was lost in a launch failure on February 24, 2009, when the payload ... Semi-Annual Launch Report Second Half of Fiscal Year 2011 Figure 9 shows orbital launch successes and failures from April 2011 through September 2011. From April 2011 to September 2011 there were three launch failures. From September 2010 to April 2011 there were four launch failures. Total = 45 launches ------------ Semi-Annual Launch Report: First Half of 2010 [link to www.faa.gov] Figure 9: Launch Successes vs. Failures: October 2009 - March 2010 Failure 0% (0) Total = 33 Success 100% (33) ------------ Semi-Annual Launch Report: First Half of 2010 [link to www.faa.gov] Figure 9: Launch Successes vs. Failures: October 2009 - March 2010 Total 33 no failures ------------ Last Edited by George B on 03/30/2013 08:01 PM Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
| George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 19998253 United States03/30/2013 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? Why should I care any more about those who failed to succeed?! I care about all people, but who's fault is it if someone can't afford to take trips...or a car?! So using reasonable methods to reduce persistent contrails and cirrus cloud banks to benefit everyone including the rich and poor doesn't make sense . . . ??? Again, you have failed to show that the benefit is worth the cost...or even necessary. The numbers don't add up Jorge..... There are many other things to worry about first. No there isn't . . . in the aircraft industry . . . they have accomplished significant and well publicized reduction in sound, CO2, NOx and fuel per load categories . . . especially with the new high efficiency engines . . . so the only real problem where absolutely no progress has been made is in Contrail Mitigation and despite the numerous ways to make practical strides in that direction . . . NOTHING has been done . . . AT ALL!!!!! Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
