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Anonymous Coward User ID: 37187983 United States 03/31/2013 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers. This makes your credibility look bad. That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers . |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 03/31/2013 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37187983 It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers. This makes your credibility look bad. That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers . It goes both ways. I have been insulted and called names while refraining from doing the same. I am trying to point out the inconsitancies in the "Chemtrail" story. It doesn't make sense that the contrails are anything other than contrails. There just isn't any evidence supporting that assertion. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37187983 United States 03/31/2013 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37187983 It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers. This makes your credibility look bad. That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers . It goes both ways. I have been insulted and called names while refraining from doing the same. I am trying to point out the inconsitancies in the "Chemtrail" story. It doesn't make sense that the contrails are anything other than contrails. There just isn't any evidence supporting that assertion. From what I understand this is not a Contrail thread, why don't you do yourself a CONTRAIL thread and find out who cares about them , everyone knows what a contrails is already. No, you'd rather harass and be stupid. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States 03/31/2013 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37187983 It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers. This makes your credibility look bad. That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers . Awwwww... Poor baby... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States 03/31/2013 01:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37187983 It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers. This makes your credibility look bad. That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers . "Credibility" lol |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States 03/31/2013 01:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37187983 It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers. This makes your credibility look bad. That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers . George wants us around...keeps his thread in the top spot...so he doesn't need to bump it all the time. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 03/31/2013 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37187983 It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers. This makes your credibility look bad. That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers . It goes both ways. I have been insulted and called names while refraining from doing the same. I am trying to point out the inconsitancies in the "Chemtrail" story. It doesn't make sense that the contrails are anything other than contrails. There just isn't any evidence supporting that assertion. From what I understand this is not a Contrail thread, why don't you do yourself a CONTRAIL thread and find out who cares about them , everyone knows what a contrails is already. No, you'd rather harass and be stupid. There you go. You just proved my statement. People who believe in chemtrails are vengeful, insulting, and rude. The relevance is that the things that people call chemtrails are in reality contrails, water vapor and ice crystals. No one has been able to prove they are anything else. You just showed you would rather insult than have a rational discussion. And last time I looked at the Constitution I can say what I please. It is people like you who fear the truth. |
George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 19998253 United States 03/31/2013 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? ... Quoting: George B No there isn't . . . in the aircraft industry . . . they have accomplished significant and well publicized reduction in sound, CO2, NOx and fuel per load categories . . . especially with the new high efficiency engines . . . so the only real problem where absolutely no progress has been made is in Contrail Mitigation and despite the numerous ways to make practical strides in that direction . . . NOTHING has been done . . . AT ALL!!!!! Not nothing [link to www.faa.gov] [link to www.faa.gov] [link to web.mit.edu] NOT one practical mitigation practice . . . I agree there have been studies, research and proposals . . . I have posted many of them myself . . . So you believe in reacting rather than studying what could be done first. You are just as bad as the airline industry. Study first and try not to make things worse. How many years do you have to study something before you take a practical step . . . it has been studied intensely since the late 1990s???? Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 19998253 United States 03/31/2013 02:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37187983 It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers. This makes your credibility look bad. That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers . I try to allow unlimited participation . . . it isn't perfect but it is about the best I can do . . . someone will always feel they were treated badly . . . as far as the title . . . my purpose was to follow up on a previous poll which asked how people were first introduced to the Chemtrail Conspiracy . . . This Thread was just the next logical step . . . Thread: How were you introduced to the concept of the Chemtrail conspiracy? Last Edited by George B on 03/31/2013 03:28 PM Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 5917739 United States 03/31/2013 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? George must have washed out of flight school. Wanted to be a pilot, but couldn't hack it. So, now george spends his no-life time attacking the institution that he wasn't good enough to become a member of. It's actually quite sad. No actually I turned down a rated position as a navigator . . . which was about the only way into pilot school when I was young enough at the end of the Vietnam war. . . .I choose medicine and research instead. . . . I have no regrets nor do I hate people who fly or want to fly. . . did a bit of hang gliding myself. . . . You wanted to be a naviguesser, huh... Why am I not surprised. Started in a "backseater" mentality and stayed there as you began hiding behind nurses' skirts. Couldn't handle the top spot in any industry. Now you spend your days trying to fuck with and scare unintelligent people. |
George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 37209532 United States 03/31/2013 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? George must have washed out of flight school. Wanted to be a pilot, but couldn't hack it. So, now george spends his no-life time attacking the institution that he wasn't good enough to become a member of. It's actually quite sad. No actually I turned down a rated position as a navigator . . . which was about the only way into pilot school when I was young enough at the end of the Vietnam war. . . .I choose medicine and research instead. . . . I have no regrets nor do I hate people who fly or want to fly. . . did a bit of hang gliding myself. . . . You wanted to be a naviguesser, huh... Why am I not surprised. Started in a "backseater" mentality and stayed there as you began hiding behind nurses' skirts. Couldn't handle the top spot in any industry. Now you spend your days trying to fuck with and scare unintelligent people. No, I didn't want too . . . I was asked if I would . . . there is a big difference . . . I just wanted out of the military and return to Law School as soon as possible . . . Last Edited by George B on 03/31/2013 03:20 PM Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 37209532 United States 03/31/2013 03:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37187983 It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers. This makes your credibility look bad. That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers . George wants us around...keeps his thread in the top spot...so he doesn't need to bump it all the time. To a certain point partially true . . . I have tried to use other titles and the response is disappointing on the Poll response . . . For Example this Thread . . . Thread: What can civil aviation do to help save the planet? Last Edited by George B on 03/31/2013 03:26 PM Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 03/31/2013 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? NOT one practical mitigation practice . . . I agree there have been studies, research and proposals . . . I have posted many of them myself . . . So you believe in reacting rather than studying what could be done first. You are just as bad as the airline industry. Study first and try not to make things worse. How many years do you have to study something before you take a practical step . . . it has been studied intensely since the late 1990s????: I am not so quick to jump on the geo-engineering bandwagon as you. As soon as you do something with the intent of making changes you are geo-engineering. We do not know the climatology well enough to embark down the geo-engineering trail. There could be unintended consequences. I don’t mind at all people studying and discussing the issue but we have to be sure of the results. No second chance. And no, I do not think contrails or persistent contrails (what some call chemtrails) are an intentional attempt at geo-engineering. We know fairly well how, why, when, and where contrails form and can persistent. The ones we see fit our understanding of contrail formation. |
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George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 37209532 United States 03/31/2013 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? ... Quoting: George B NOT one practical mitigation practice . . . I agree there have been studies, research and proposals . . . I have posted many of them myself . . . So you believe in reacting rather than studying what could be done first. You are just as bad as the airline industry. Study first and try not to make things worse. How many years do you have to study something before you take a practical step . . . it has been studied intensely since the late 1990s????: I am not so quick to jump on the geo-engineering bandwagon as you. As soon as you do something with the intent of making changes you are geo-engineering. We do not know the climatology well enough to embark down the geo-engineering trail. There could be unintended consequences. I don’t mind at all people studying and discussing the issue but we have to be sure of the results. No second chance. And no, I do not think contrails or persistent contrails (what some call chemtrails) are an intentional attempt at geo-engineering. We know fairly well how, why, when, and where contrails form and can persistent. The ones we see fit our understanding of contrail formation. We are talking about mitigating persistent contrails . . . not engaging in active geoengineering. . . Last Edited by George B on 03/31/2013 03:47 PM Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States 03/31/2013 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? George B, I know you claim to be open minded on both sides of the debate, your title for this thread is : If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief mos Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37187983 It looks to read like tell why you believe chemtrails are real, so why do you allow the chemtrails believers to be insulted and stalked by those shill stalkers. This makes your credibility look bad. That is what makes this thread of yours a joke allowing gang stalkers . George wants us around...keeps his thread in the top spot...so he doesn't need to bump it all the time. To a certain point partially true . . . I have tried to use other titles and the response is disappointing on the Poll response . . . For Example this Thread . . . Thread: What can civil aviation do to help save the planet? Partially nothing..... |
George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 37209532 United States 03/31/2013 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? Thanks for your participation. . . POLL: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? 8) I see persistent trails in the skies . . . 70.1% (251) 10) Scientific papers, patents, symposia (mainstream) . . . 8.4% (30) 12) Other. . . please specify in this Thread. . . . 7.0% (25) 4) YouTube Videos about chemtrails . . . 6.4% (23) 7) There are websites I visit that talk about them . . . 2.5% (9) 2) I have dreams about them . . 1.4% (5) 5) Reading about different conspiracies they mentioned them . . 1.4% (5) 11) Papers, articles, symposia by other chemtrail believes . . . 1.1% (4) 3) Documentaries about them on the History Channel . . . 0.6% (2) 6) My friends and/or family talk about them . . . 0.6% (2) 9) Rap songs or other entertainment including celebrities . . . 0.6% (2) 1) TV news stories about them . . . 0% (0) Blank (View Results) (172) Non-Blank Votes: 358 Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 03/31/2013 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183 So you believe in reacting rather than studying what could be done first. You are just as bad as the airline industry. Study first and try not to make things worse. How many years do you have to study something before you take a practical step . . . it has been studied intensely since the late 1990s????: I am not so quick to jump on the geo-engineering bandwagon as you. As soon as you do something with the intent of making changes you are geo-engineering. We do not know the climatology well enough to embark down the geo-engineering trail. There could be unintended consequences. I don’t mind at all people studying and discussing the issue but we have to be sure of the results. No second chance. And no, I do not think contrails or persistent contrails (what some call chemtrails) are an intentional attempt at geo-engineering. We know fairly well how, why, when, and where contrails form and can persistent. The ones we see fit our understanding of contrail formation. We are talking about mitigating persistent contrails . . . not engaging in active geoengineering. . . Since persistent contrails are a global phenomenon that affect radiative forcing, and hence climatology, any intentional change IS geo-engineering whether you want to admit it or not. They are not a local pollution like acid rain. We don’t know enough to make a change either way. |
George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 37209532 United States 03/31/2013 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? We are talking about mitigating persistent contrails . . . not engaging in active geoengineering. . . Quoting: George B Since persistent contrails are a global phenomenon that affect radiative forcing, and hence climatology, any intentional change IS geo-engineering whether you want to admit it or not. They are not a local pollution like acid rain. We don’t know enough to make a change either way. So we shouldn't reduce the sulfur content of gasoline from 300ppm to 10ppm with that logic or have installed catalytic converters on cars . . . very strange logic . . . persistent contrails are not natural . . . they are something we can remove without fear of causing an imbalance in nature . . . Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States 03/31/2013 05:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? We are talking about mitigating persistent contrails . . . not engaging in active geoengineering. . . Quoting: George B Since persistent contrails are a global phenomenon that affect radiative forcing, and hence climatology, any intentional change IS geo-engineering whether you want to admit it or not. They are not a local pollution like acid rain. We don’t know enough to make a change either way. So we shouldn't reduce the sulfur content of gasoline from 300ppm to 10ppm with that logic or have installed catalytic converters on cars . . . very strange logic . . . persistent contrails are not natural . . . they are something we can remove without fear of causing an imbalance in nature . . . Not natural...but they are normal. They act exactly as they are supposed to. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 03/31/2013 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? We are talking about mitigating persistent contrails . . . not engaging in active geoengineering. . . Quoting: George B Since persistent contrails are a global phenomenon that affect radiative forcing, and hence climatology, any intentional change IS geo-engineering whether you want to admit it or not. They are not a local pollution like acid rain. We don’t know enough to make a change either way. So we shouldn't reduce the sulfur content of gasoline from 300ppm to 10ppm with that logic or have installed catalytic converters on cars . . . very strange logic . . . persistent contrails are not natural . . . they are something we can remove without fear of causing an imbalance in nature . . . Different and I already said the difference. They form low level pollution that immediately affects people's health. Mitigating persistent contrails, in itself, is not a bad thing but the question needs to be asked, will there be unintended consequences? You may think you know, but you don't. No one knows yet. Then there is the cost, what if we have to spend $100 billion to mitigate and it does not change climate either way. Is the cost worth it? I have already posted links showing the FAA is studying the problem. They haven’t reached a conclusion yet. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30170064 United States 03/31/2013 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? We are talking about mitigating persistent contrails . . . not engaging in active geoengineering. . . Quoting: George B Since persistent contrails are a global phenomenon that affect radiative forcing, and hence climatology, any intentional change IS geo-engineering whether you want to admit it or not. They are not a local pollution like acid rain. We don’t know enough to make a change either way. So we shouldn't reduce the sulfur content of gasoline from 300ppm to 10ppm with that logic or have installed catalytic converters on cars . . . very strange logic . . . persistent contrails are not natural . . . they are something we can remove without fear of causing an imbalance in nature . . . Different and I already said the difference. They form low level pollution that immediately affects people's health. Mitigating persistent contrails, in itself, is not a bad thing but the question needs to be asked, will there be unintended consequences? You may think you know, but you don't. No one knows yet. Then there is the cost, what if we have to spend $100 billion to mitigate and it does not change climate either way. Is the cost worth it? I have already posted links showing the FAA is studying the problem. They haven’t reached a conclusion yet. But Jorge as...because he has studied the subject through google... |
George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 37209532 United States 03/31/2013 05:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? We are talking about mitigating persistent contrails . . . not engaging in active geoengineering. . . Quoting: George B Since persistent contrails are a global phenomenon that affect radiative forcing, and hence climatology, any intentional change IS geo-engineering whether you want to admit it or not. They are not a local pollution like acid rain. We don’t know enough to make a change either way. So we shouldn't reduce the sulfur content of gasoline from 300ppm to 10ppm with that logic or have installed catalytic converters on cars . . . very strange logic . . . persistent contrails are not natural . . . they are something we can remove without fear of causing an imbalance in nature . . . Different and I already said the difference. They form low level pollution that immediately affects people's health. Mitigating persistent contrails, in itself, is not a bad thing but the question needs to be asked, will there be unintended consequences? You may think you know, but you don't. No one knows yet. Then there is the cost, what if we have to spend $100 billion to mitigate and it does not change climate either way. Is the cost worth it? I have already posted links showing the FAA is studying the problem. They haven’t reached a conclusion yet. Come on . . . no serious atmospheric scientist believes persistent contrails are not a concern and should not be mitigated . . . the only thing is a commitment from IPCC and the agencies like FAA to request action . . . it could be as simple as placing mirrors or video cameras in the cockpits so flight crews are aware they are leaving a persistent trail . . . Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 03/31/2013 05:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183 Since persistent contrails are a global phenomenon that affect radiative forcing, and hence climatology, any intentional change IS geo-engineering whether you want to admit it or not. They are not a local pollution like acid rain. We don’t know enough to make a change either way. So we shouldn't reduce the sulfur content of gasoline from 300ppm to 10ppm with that logic or have installed catalytic converters on cars . . . very strange logic . . . persistent contrails are not natural . . . they are something we can remove without fear of causing an imbalance in nature . . . Different and I already said the difference. They form low level pollution that immediately affects people's health. Mitigating persistent contrails, in itself, is not a bad thing but the question needs to be asked, will there be unintended consequences? You may think you know, but you don't. No one knows yet. Then there is the cost, what if we have to spend $100 billion to mitigate and it does not change climate either way. Is the cost worth it? I have already posted links showing the FAA is studying the problem. They haven’t reached a conclusion yet. Come on . . . no serious atmospheric scientist believes persistent contrails are not a concern and should not be mitigated . . . the only thing is a commitment from IPCC and the agencies like FAA to request action . . . it could be as simple as placing mirrors or video cameras in the cockpits so flight crews are aware they are leaving a persistent trail . . . A concern yes but still no one can say what would happen with the change. No one, and that includes you. ANY change in radiative forcing has consequences. |
George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 37209532 United States 03/31/2013 05:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? ... Quoting: George B So we shouldn't reduce the sulfur content of gasoline from 300ppm to 10ppm with that logic or have installed catalytic converters on cars . . . very strange logic . . . persistent contrails are not natural . . . they are something we can remove without fear of causing an imbalance in nature . . . Different and I already said the difference. They form low level pollution that immediately affects people's health. Mitigating persistent contrails, in itself, is not a bad thing but the question needs to be asked, will there be unintended consequences? You may think you know, but you don't. No one knows yet. Then there is the cost, what if we have to spend $100 billion to mitigate and it does not change climate either way. Is the cost worth it? I have already posted links showing the FAA is studying the problem. They haven’t reached a conclusion yet. Come on . . . no serious atmospheric scientist believes persistent contrails are not a concern and should not be mitigated . . . the only thing is a commitment from IPCC and the agencies like FAA to request action . . . it could be as simple as placing mirrors or video cameras in the cockpits so flight crews are aware they are leaving a persistent trail . . . A concern yes but still no one can say what would happen with the change. No one, and that includes you. ANY change in radiative forcing has consequences. So you fear mitigating contrails could have a deleterious effect . . . and what might that be??? Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
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George B (OP) Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 37209532 United States 03/31/2013 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? Only saw it once . . . have fun . . . Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 03/31/2013 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183 Different and I already said the difference. They form low level pollution that immediately affects people's health. Mitigating persistent contrails, in itself, is not a bad thing but the question needs to be asked, will there be unintended consequences? You may think you know, but you don't. No one knows yet. Then there is the cost, what if we have to spend $100 billion to mitigate and it does not change climate either way. Is the cost worth it? I have already posted links showing the FAA is studying the problem. They haven’t reached a conclusion yet. Come on . . . no serious atmospheric scientist believes persistent contrails are not a concern and should not be mitigated . . . the only thing is a commitment from IPCC and the agencies like FAA to request action . . . it could be as simple as placing mirrors or video cameras in the cockpits so flight crews are aware they are leaving a persistent trail . . . A concern yes but still no one can say what would happen with the change. No one, and that includes you. ANY change in radiative forcing has consequences. So you fear mitigating contrails could have a deleterious effect . . . and what might that be??? Gee, if I knew that it wouldn't be unknown now would it? It is a change in radiative forcing. Can you predict what will happen when you change the radiative forcing? |