Arctic sea ice volume now ONE-FIFTH its 1979 level !!

I'm guessing this is "part" of the reason why the East Coast USA is experiencing higher storm surges... But only part, there are many factors to consider, IMO.

Also I think this is cyclical, and has happened before.

but how does it compare to sea-ice levels from 59-80? or 39-60?

the alarmists are playing off our short life/memory spans to push their agenda.

Last Edited by Anonymous Cowherder on 02/19/2013 10:16 AM

It doesnt. Its all Al Gores scam.

exactly

How can you make that statement if you do not know what the levels were from 59-80, or 39-60? First find out what the levels were for the period then tell us if they are being alarmists or not..

Last Edited by Artlicious on 02/19/2013 10:19 AM

Meanwhile the Antarctic ice gap is growing.

I've done some quick research and am linking to NOAA.. I try not to make statements before having all the facts.. I still do not have all the facts, so I am keeping an open mind. I will continue to reseach and form my own opinion.

[link to www.arctic.noaa.gov]

"Data collected by several countries bordering on the Arctic allow the construction of maps of the lateral sea ice extent since the beginning of the 20th century. Data from the first seven decades were derived from ship and aircraft observation while data for the last three decades come primarily from satellites. Figure 1 (from Walsh and Chapman, 2000) shows time series of the areas enclosed by the ice boundary (defined as having 10% or less of the surface of the ocean covered by ice).

During the first half-century, ice extent in all seasons remained essentially constant. Beginning about mid-century, the summer minimum extent began to shrink while the winter maximum remained unchanged. Starting in about 1975, the maximum, too, began to shrink. Ice extent in September 2000 (not shown in the plot) is only about 5x106 km2, the smallest ever observed in this century.
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Last Edited by Artlicious on 02/19/2013 10:26 AM

"In the Arctic, temperature has increased at twice the rate as the rest of the globe, and could increase by another 8°C (14°F) by the end of this century. The warming atmosphere along with new weather pattern extremes is causing Arctic sea ice to melt at an alarming rate—12% per decade—that suggests the Arctic will be ice-free by 2030."


[link to www.wunderground.com]

From everything I am reading and learning I am guessing it might be sooner than 2030, but that is just a guess, somewhat educated.. Not fact, only my opinion.

It's all bullshit. Masters is nothing more than fear mongering idiot.

If you'd read old newspaper articles about artic ice, you'd realize that it is all cyclical. More ice. Less ice. Repeat.

[link to stevengoddard.wordpress.com]

they is plenty of evidence to show that there has been much much less ice in the past.

Great! Will you please link to it here so I can read about it, reseach and learn.

Thanks!

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They WHY has not the majority of coastline been inundated with water?

WHERE IS THE WATER GOING?

where is the water going? into the ocean. fortunately the ocean covers most of the earth, so it only ries a bit.

Perhaps some of it is being held in place by the Arctic Beaufort Gyre?
[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

"The data (1995-2010) indicates a significant swelling of water in the Beaufort Gyre, particularly since the early part of the 2000s. The rising trend has been running at 2cm per year."

Lets just hope the winds don't change and release all that water.

Last Edited by Artlicious on 02/19/2013 10:56 AM

sea ice does not raise sea level

Yeah it does, doesn't it?

Ice caps melt, water has to go somewhere.

From what I've been seeing, shorelines are retreating slightly.

But ocean levels are rising.

So it's building in the middle.

Like.. Say you have a drop of water sitting on a piece of glass.
You take a syringe and slowly inject water into that drop.
The drop increases in size until it can't support it's own weight, at which point it collapses.

thanks for the red (gone now).

makes you feel strong, don't it?

now you'll never get an answer.

Last Edited by Anonymous Cowherder on 02/19/2013 11:18 AM

Its sea ice we are talking about its already floating on the sea.

here is one for starters;

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fuck it....

OP, do this. put 6 ice cubes in a glass then fill the glass with water and note where the water level is.

wait for the ice to melt and check the water level again.

has the water level in the cup been raised by the ice melt?

Wow you truely are a shill?

You have the ability to remove red karma... And all of your green comes from reporting abusive posts.

Even Trinity doesn't remove his red karma's, because it makes you look like a TROLL ShiLL....

Uh yes, at the end of the last ice age...

There isn't 'plenty of evidence to show that there has ben much much less ice in the past without going back thousands of years.

Science has already found lots of evidence that shows previous civilizations in many areas around the globe are now underwater due to ice melt.

Obstructionist dogma will be the death of our kids, wise up.

The climate debate doesn't have to be about politics, but the right -wing just cries about them endlessly and never allows the rest of the world to carry on a conversation addressing the changes, instead you fight over agenda-driven junk science and flam flam opinion based on the whims and imagination of profiteers.

ok.

Yes, we all learned about this when we were young. You have a valid point. However, Earth is not a glass of water. A lot of that melting water is being evaporated into the atmoshphere causing a more storms and severe weather. Also.. the water that is melting is mostley freshwater from what I've read, which can change the salinity of the ocean's, whichh can change pretty much everything.

Who the hell removes their own red reps? I'm guessing shills... LOL

the world is constantly changing beyond our control why are you bringing politics into this when at the end of the day the science is showing us this simple fact?

The current ice is a left over from the ice age you could almost say its an anomaly.

Okay my question for you is this.....

An ice cube in a glass of water. Now the ice cube melts. Did the water level in the glass go up or down?

IT WENT DOWN! Ice displaces more volume than water! hello. It doesn't matter if it melts it's not gonna effect anything. it's the natural progression of the earth. The earth has been warming and cooling since the dawn of time.

Arctic is an ocean of sea ice surrounded by land mass.. Antarctica is land mass surrounded by sea ice.
Different animals..

NSIDC Artic Sea Ice News
[link to sealevel.colorado.edu]

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The average sea ice extent for January 2013 was 13.78 million square kilometers (5.32 million square miles). This is 1.06 million square kilometers (409,000 square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 average for the month, and is the sixth-lowest January extent in the satellite record. The last ten years (2004 to 2013) have seen the ten lowest January extents in the satellite record.

As has been the case throughout this winter, ice extent in the Atlantic sector of the Arctic Ocean remained far below average. While the Kara Sea was completely iced over, nearly all of the Barents Sea remained ice free, and open water was present north of the Svalbard Archipelago. The lack of winter ice in the Barents Sea and the vicinity of Svalbard has been a common feature of recent years. Recent work by Vladimir Alexeev and colleagues at the University of Alaska Fairbanks provides further evidence that this is related to a stronger inflow of warm waters from the Atlantic as compared to past decades. On the Pacific side, the ice edge in the Bering Sea continued to extend slightly further to the south than usual.