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Transcendental Meditation from one insider's point of view

 
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If you want to wake to the truth you don't want chant yourself further to sleep. TM is good for soothing a person who has undergone trauma and needs to rest, and for that it is a useful tool. But if you want the Truth you don't have time to waste, especially in putting yourself further to sleep. TM is to a large degree self-hypnosis.. deep breathing, resonant chanting..

Western men/women love Indian mysticism and exotic philosophy.. they believe they need to go somewhere like India or to people like those found in India, to get the Truth. This is not the case. The Truth exists where ever you are. India had no real industry and they had to sell something.. so they sold words.

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If you are genuinely interested in the Truth I recommend the work of Richard Rose. No nonsense bullshit, he is the real deal. It might offend you, but that's ok.
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To the AC from UK:

Why cant you respect that some of the people in this thread have a different belief system then you. obviously this thread is not interested in this Jesus belief system you speak of, we are speaking of a totally different belief system. Respect that please.
Im not telling you christianity is wrong, im not saying its evil, im not talking about the countless wars begotten on its behalf.
Im not telling you your belief system is wrong, respect me enough even if you dont agree with mine to show me the same respect.
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So before getting to the mantra list(s), which are supposed to be learned and transmitted orally, let's review this chart of the bija mantras and their relations to the chakras and the energy body.

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^^ very useful info
ty op
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hummbird Yoga, TM and suchlike only leads to one place...and you don't want to go there.

THIS WAS YOUR LIFE!... [link to www.chick.com]
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To each their own, but meditation has been a fundamental good thing in my life.
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kitty You won't be saying that if you die in your sins.
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:hummbird: Yoga, TM and suchlike only leads to one place...and you don't want to go there.

THIS WAS YOUR LIFE!... [link to www.chick.com]
 Quoting: Judethz

To each their own, but meditation has been a fundamental good thing in my life.
 Quoting: ehecatl


kitty You won't be saying that if you die in your sins.
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You are missing the point we don't believe the same as you WE will not die for our sins, there is no sins. What does your religion say about judging other people, I love how you pick and choose what beliefs to follow.
sheesh
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I really enjoyed the happy cat face.
Does it make you happy the thought of people dying for their "sins"?
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OP
dont let the fact that Im a wrathful dakini scare you away.
Please continue!
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Excuse me, but I'll post in a few hours about the mantras.

I did not have that page prepared in advance, like most of the others,

and I just got an unexpected visitor.

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The Transcendental Meditation Mantras

The mantras are sounds, not words, made to be given out orally, and obviously the technique mandates that they primarily have no meaning in the person’s languages and that one does not form associations with the mantra (and if so a different mantra may be substituted).

I am not 100 percent sure about the pronunciation of all the mantras, although I am pretty sure about most of them.

Obviously from the following list I provide here “HIRING” is not meant to be pronounced like the English "hiring", but rather a a single syllable sweep of a sound, more like HRING probably, for example.

If you know how to pronounce the Spanish vowels, A,E,I,O,U with the Spanish or basic British pronunciation, that is the proper pronunciation of these vowels.

A as in Awesome
E as in Egg
I pronounced as in Street
O as in Olympic
U as in Moon.

I never went through the grueling Teacher Training course, which requires the memorization rote of all this and much more material, which I have not included here.

I was never asked to take a vow of silence either as the instructors are, and except when dealing with specific personal data of others when I was employed by the organization, although secrecy concerning the layers of knowledge was always implied.

The Maharishi taught to give mantras from a list, depending on the person’s age at the time of instruction in meditation.

I am still not clear about the reason the mantras were given in that manner. Undoubtedly there are others within the organizations who know more about why the Maharishi chose those mantras and the seemingly simplistic system of assigning mantras, but it is clear that the mantra was intended to be a fluid sort of thing which could spontaneously change over time, if used as instructed.

My mantra for example is no longer even a sound, but something more subtle, but still real. Perhaps most often my mantra is more a process, or way of dealing with things.


"Correct meditation does not require that the mantra be present at all times. Once the mind becomes aware of its absence, just quietly go back.

"If, at any time, the mantra is found to be in a very unclear or distorted state, do not assume it is wrong or no longer present. Do not attempt to re-begin it clearly. This would be forcing.

"The mantra may change in tempo, pronunciation, pitch, length, or it may not seem to change at all. It may even disappear completely. The experience of no mantra and no thought (clearly or hazily) may be had many times during a single meditation, even quite briefly. This experience is often followed by the recollection of absolute silence or time unaccounted for.

"Do not be concerned with whether the mantra changes or not. Do not put an effort on thinking the mantra in order to settle down faster or more profoundly. Innocence is the technique employed in this practice by neither anticipating nor resisting change. Once conscious interference is removed, the process flows quite naturally and effortlessly."


The Maharishi started teaching in 1961 giving just two mantras, RAM for males, and SRIRIRAM for females. He found that students were associating those words with deities and meanings from Sanskrit, and maybe for that reason decided to change them.

By 1968 he taught 4 mantras based on age to men, and 4 different ones for women.

In 1976 he changed the mantras to 16 mantras based on age for either men or women. That list received minor modifications 5 or 6 times more over the years, but basically stayed the same from then on.

Here are the 1976 Teacher Training Course mantras for your reference.

age / mantra
03-10 ENG
10-12 EM
12-14 ENGA
14-16 EMA
16-18 AENG
18-20 AEM
20-22 AENGA
22-24 AEMA
24-30 SHIRING
30-35 SHIRIM
35-40 HIRING
40-45 HIRIM
45-50 KIRING
50-55 KIRIM
55-60 SHIAM
60 + SHIAMA


Remember, the mantra is like a vehicle, where it is not so important of what kind of vehicle it is, but rather how one "drives" it, and that the vehicle gets spontaneously abandoned eventually.

It is not about finding anything except for a type of conscious effortlessness which is normally unattainable, giving rise to a pure conscious silence... and that leads to other things, which I may or may not discuss much more.

I'll check back a few times in case of questions and to review posts.

Namaste


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Interesting.
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hummbird Yoga, TM and suchlike only leads to one place...and you don't want to go there.

THIS WAS YOUR LIFE!... [link to www.chick.com]
 Quoting: Judethz

To each their own, but meditation has been a fundamental good thing in my life.
 Quoting: ehecatl


kitty You won't be saying that if you die in your sins.
 Quoting: Judethz


You are missing the point we don't believe the same as you WE will not die for our sins, there is no sins. What does your religion say about judging other people, I love how you pick and choose what beliefs to follow.
sheesh
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flo6fuji Oh you don't walk away from it that easily. Jesus Christ created the entire universe and He is the one who gives this world the clip on how it goes. Hell and sin exist and you are under the Devils spell with your TM crap.

Eze 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Eze 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.


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Youre quoting the bible but I dont believe in its truth as much as you dont believe in the sutras and tantras I believe in.
There is no making you see that your religion is no more credible or right than mine.
The only difference is Im not trying to tell you that you are wrong and Im right. Believe what you want but respect other people's right to so the same.
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Some people are born again; evildoers go to hell; righteous people go to heaven; those who are free from all worldly desires attain Nirvana.
The Buddha The Dhammapada
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OP has some really useful insightful information to share and you are just spewing negativity.
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Im a little interested, can you elaborate more on the locations where greater transcendence occurs. This is similar to things Ive heard about the area I live in.
It seems some of the realization is similar to certain practices in buddhism.
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Such a place might be found in the wilderness when one is a little tired, and finds a place that is private and yet naturally makes one want to stop and rest. Often near hilltops or certain rocks.

In urban settings they are associated with locations in the proximity of people with powerful transcendental abilities.

Although I was referring specifically to this location, the few meters where I am standing when I took the photo, not below, where I have found especially interesting effects on consciousness. That particular spot has quite a prehispanic history too.
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Dumbass to say it as kindly as I can... you become a VESSEL for things you are not prepared to deal with...????
looks good sounds good but walk away while you still can... TM is untoward stuff.. go listen to krshnawhatever(krishnamurti??} heed his counsel...
Graceless and Skeptical as hell!!!
"Self discipline gets things done. Making a plan and then sticking to that plan despite our inner weaknesses and apprehensions gives greater returns in the long run. This method not only earns the respect we hold for ourselves, but also the respect others hold for us. The flaky and indecisive cannot be relied upon."
" Belief is just a word for something one refuses to study the origins of, or reason out!!!
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OP - Thank you very much for this thread! For years, I've quite simply wondered what *exactly* medition is supposed to be, and how is one supposed to do it.

This is the most direct answer I've ever seen, and for free. It is not wasted on me, and I say again thank you.
:ritd:"You've been left on your own, like a Rainbow in the Dark" -Ronnie James Dio:ritd:
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Dumbass to say it as kindly as I can... you become a VESSEL for things you are not prepared to deal with...????
looks good sounds good but walk away while you still can... TM is untoward stuff.. go listen to krshnawhatever(krishnamurti??} heed his counsel...
 Quoting: dirkdedaring

God does not present us any challenge that we are not able to deal with in a proper spiritual manner, if we decide to.

The spirit world is all about choice and free will, and outright spiritual slavery is impossible without our choice.

The only things that can possess a soul are things the soul desires.


I'm gonna tell you a little story if I find the time, concerning "inorganic" entities and spiritual possession, and as it relates to TM. It's actually a whopper of story, and long winded. (Ehecatl means the wind and spirit in nahuatl)

But today some professional translation work came in that calls me away, and then I may need to prepare for a journey to Ixcateopan this weekend (google it).

I'll be back I think, and I don't think this thread is going anywhere.

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OP - Thank you very much for this thread! For years, I've quite simply wondered what *exactly* mediation is supposed to be, and how is one supposed to do it.

This is the most direct answer I've ever seen, and for free. It is not wasted on me, and I say again thank you.
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Thank you as well, and I am glad you appreciate it. This knowledge is not for everyone, and that is fine.

I also appreciate your avatar!
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OP - Thank you very much for this thread! For years, I've quite simply wondered what *exactly* medition is supposed to be, and how is one supposed to do it.

This is the most direct answer I've ever seen, and for free. It is not wasted on me, and I say again thank you.
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This is exactly my thought after going thru this thread but I can`t seem to connect with the op. Please op can you give in one post a short instruction of the meditation? Like what mantra should one use, that given by maharishi or the ones posted in the link? I hope I am not tasking you. Thanks.
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Oh, there is one part of the initiation ceremony which I forgot to mention, which may or may not matter if some are going this alone and teaching themselves.

The instructor initially says the mantra to the student and asks the student to repeat it out loud. As the student repeats it the instructor gradually over minutes asks the student to say it more and more softly, until it is a thought, and then to think the thought more softly as well.

What follows is my post on the previous page labeled -
direct verbal instructions to the student



Actually much of the initiation ceremony I don't mention in this thread because I consider it religious, dogmatic, and I might even agree with the argument of the bible-tards to some extent concerning the issue of spiritual connections. I see no reason why the process could not include a ceremony to Jesus, for example, if that is the belief of the initiate, and that the meditation would work well in that person.

To put it in my own words, a soul who realizes that divinity lies within, only seeks freedom and not that which binds. I will forgo then the spiritual crutch of the "Holy Tradition" of yogi's in India, no matter how fine and divine those chaps may have been, with all due respect, although I don't mind if they drop in once in a while, or vice-versa.

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OP - Thank you very much for this thread! For years, I've quite simply wondered what *exactly* medition is supposed to be, and how is one supposed to do it.

This is the most direct answer I've ever seen, and for free. It is not wasted on me, and I say again thank you.
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


This is exactly my thought after going thru this thread but I can`t seem to connect with the op. Please op can you give in one post a short instruction of the meditation? Like what mantra should one use, that given by maharishi or the ones posted in the link? I hope I am not tasking you. Thanks.
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not at all. just read this page alone and you will see everything you are asking for.

PS, oh, I just read your post again, and excuse me, as far as which mantra to choose, the bija charts I linked to (looks correct but put together by I don't know who), or the TM mantra list, I leave that up to you. (sometimes choice leaves people feeling uncomfortable, and is not good marketing, lol)

But believe me, it matters little which one you choose, just so long as you don't form mental associations with the sound, and do the practice regularly as if you had actually paid the zillion dollars cash out of your wallet. (You could starve for a week to create that illusion maybe! LOL)

The truth is is that although I know roughly of the association of Maharishi's mantras and the bija mantras, I have never taken much time to study that, since in those issues I already feel satisfied and well "on my way" spiritually. But if someone here knows more about the bija teachings that might be interesting.

To me the Maharishi's list of 16 sounds appears like a 16 petaled lotus that forms a spiral, rather than a circle, but that is conjecture. These sounds are also related to DNA forms.

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I also do TM and have been doing so for years. I have written a bit on the subject here on this forum. I attended MUM University and earned my undergrad and Masters in Business. Yep, I lived in Fairfield Iowa, went to the University there, Meditated for years in the golden domes. Live in Ca. now and have some very fond memories of that place.

You can change your life if you want... [link to mum.edu]

Peace
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I also do TM and have been doing so for years. I have written a bit on the subject here on this forum. I attended MUM University and earned my undergrad and Masters in Business. Yep, I lived in Fairfield Iowa, went to the University there, Meditated for years in the golden domes. Live in Ca. now and have some very fond memories of that place.

You can change your life if you want... [link to mum.edu]

Peace
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Cheers fellow Sidha! It was a blast living on campus there in the early '80s, when they had just bought the Parsons College from the state of Iowa, and one could just move into the pods or living space sort of independent and pirate like, and the community that formed out of that culture.

I was initially put in charge of designing and building the giant complex curved ventilation system for the men's dome (but of course I got no official credit for it because I was not a TM teacher), but still I was the master of my domain then and after. Free food and housing, a little work, and lots of rest, meditation and recreation, and a pittance of a stipend.

Later I also had both the most ridiculously kick back job ever of my life of theoretically maintaining audio video systems which we never had to do, and when I got bored of that I chose the most difficult job of running the bakery that served thousands, and I loved that job too, always disregarding the recipes of the chef and using the only finest ingredients. Bevin loved that obviously;)

After about 4 years I had enough and left for hard to define reasons, maybe boredom, but when they started tearing down the old buildings, especially the old stone chapel which was a historic landmark, I felt that they had really disrupted and disrespected the spirit of that place, and I lost respect for the organization in general for those same reason.

They also did not respect or maintain a sacred property in Soboba California, and I felt the local spirits cry for that as well.

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One of the Ghost Properties of the TM organization. There is one in Soboba too last I knew. As an empath all I can say is that there are some powerful invisible spirits running around these places, and in the vacuum created from a previous Sweetness and Light attitude, to desolation and abandonment... well imagine what the let down does to the attitude of the resident spirits, which are already very powerful on these sacred power-places that they often chose to buy.

The organization had (probably still has, not sure) hundreds of incredible properties all around the world, and combined resources of many billions of dollars, not counting the help of major disciples who were also billionaires.

These places were not abandoned for lack of money. They were merely forgotten as the Maharishi would direct attention from one part of the world to the next, changing the vision and plans every few years.



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hummbird Yoga, TM and suchlike only leads to one place...and you don't want to go there.

THIS WAS YOUR LIFE!... [link to www.chick.com]
 Quoting: Judethz

To each their own, but meditation has been a fundamental good thing in my life.
 Quoting: ehecatl


kitty You won't be saying that if you die in your sins.
 Quoting: Judethz


You are easily one of the most uninformed posters on GLP.

Do you want to know a universal truth Judethz?

"What you put out, you will receive back"

You will have to experience the energy you have sought to create in others during this lifetime. You will experience your actions as they have affected others. This is not a threat, but acknowledgement of a universal truth. What goes around, comes around. You will attract back what you have attempted to elicit in others.

Don't try to convince yourself that your adherence to man-made dogma will somehow spare you from this universal truth. We will all be forced to hold ourselves accountable for our actions during this lifetime - only it is done through experiencing.

You seem to be digging yourself a rather nice hole with the negative energy that you spread, and enjoying yourself in the process.

If you don't figure this out during this lifetime, there is always the next. The choice is yours, so choose wisely.

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:hummbird: Yoga, TM and suchlike only leads to one place...and you don't want to go there.

THIS WAS YOUR LIFE!... [link to www.chick.com]
 Quoting: Judethz

To each their own, but meditation has been a fundamental good thing in my life.
 Quoting: ehecatl


kitty You won't be saying that if you die in your sins.
 Quoting: Judethz


You are easily one of the most uninformeded posters on GLP.

Do you want to know a universal truth Judethz?

"What you put out, you will receive back"

You will have to experience the energy you have sought to create in others during this lifetime. You will experience your actions as they have affected others. This is not a threat, but acknowledgement of a universal truth. What goes around, comes around. You will attract back what you have attempted to elicit in others.

Don't try and convince yourself that your adherence to man-made dogma will somehow spare you from this universal truth. We will all be forced to hold ourselves accountable for our actions during this lifetime - only it is done through experiencing.

You seem to be digging yourself a rather nice hole with the negative energy that you spread, and enjoying yourself in the process.

If you don't figure this out during this lifetime, there is always the next. The choice is yours, so choose wisely.
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I have always followed and enjoyed your posts. I am completely in awe of your efforts to point people in the right direction. Please keep up the good work, your rewards would surely come one way or the other. Peace.
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Hi OP. Wow, nice of you to share all this. I started with TM in 1972, didn't stay with it but went on to, five years later, another path and guru, which I follow to this day. That is how it worked out for me, karmically speaking, and it's still working out well. I am now a full-fledged, Western-style yogi, which means I adhere to yoga philosophy, but don't claim to know more than or be superior to anyone.
My guru and Maharishi knew each other, and had a relationship based on profound love and respect.

I started TM to "relieve stress." Hahahahah! Little did I know my life would be changed so profoundly. Kind of like today's neophytes who start hatha yoga (stretching, etc, and called "yoga" by almost everyone in the West) thinking it's just a good physical activity. Little do they know the bliss which awaits them if they go deeper into yoga philosophy and practices.

Thanks again OP. All that you have said has the ring of truth to it, in my experience.
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Hariomtatsat to that, both OP & Mr T
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there is no need for meditation, that is old 3d way, eyes open with love in your heart walk and live in a meditative state constantly, hope this makes sense.
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