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Transcendental Meditation from one insider's point of view

 
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TM, Entirely funded by Doris Duke.
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Hi OP. Wow, nice of you to share all this. I started with TM in 1972, didn't stay with it but went on to, five years later, another path and guru, which I follow to this day. That is how it worked out for me, karmically speaking, and it's still working out well. I am now a full-fledged, Western-style yogi, which means I adhere to yoga philosophy, but don't claim to know more than or be superior to anyone.
My guru and Maharishi knew each other, and had a relationship based on profound love and respect.

I started TM to "relieve stress." Hahahahah! Little did I know my life would be changed so profoundly. Kind of like today's neophytes who start hatha yoga (stretching, etc, and called "yoga" by almost everyone in the West) thinking it's just a good physical activity. Little do they know the bliss which awaits them if they go deeper into yoga philosophy and practices.

Thanks again OP. All that you have said has the ring of truth to it, in my experience.
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Hariomtatsat to that, both OP & Mr T
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oooh, Hariomtatsat, that's nice, and I sort of know what it means, except for the tat part, which I may need to look up.

Anyhow I extend my best feelings and regard to you, and also to Mr.Thistle, of whom I had a good feeling from his post, but was not sure how to respond (fwiw, Thistle's words somehow drew me back to some yoga practitioners in Santa Barbara), and I only invite you both to share any related yoga or consciousness knowledge on this thread which might be related.

I have a lot more direct knowledge and stories I could share too, like I noted in a previous post, but these few days I am only stealing some time from some other obligations, so I'll keep it short for now.

Of course the TM organization always used a
Jai Guru Dev (Hail Divine Guru) signature.

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TM, Entirely funded by Doris Duke.
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I'm sure the word "Entirely" is too encompassing, since myself at times and many others worked with the Donor lists and with those people.

Of course there is a long list of wealthy donors, like the Beatles, the Zimmerman's, David Lynch, the late Rod Rodriguez (a migrant illegal farm worker who became a wealthy Orange County billionaire over several decades), and hundreds of others who are wealthy or famous, but I also know that there were contributions from presidents of Chase Manhattan Bank, but I don't know how deep that runs (as per D.T.).

The Seelisberg, Switzerland was always the stronghold and the primary residence of the Maharishi when I was with the organization.
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Opens up your spirit to the demonic realm.
That is how Howard Stern became possessed.
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it must suck to live in fear like that
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I am chuckling.
A week ago I googled up TM.
Needed to know more about it.
I did a course many years ago but I was not a meditator.

For the past year I meditate 20 minutes twice daily.
I breathe connected breaths and when mind wanders , attention just flows back to the breath.
Anyway some impulse arose which obviously wanted me to explore this further and today I find this page.
Which I must say is written very beautifully and goes a long way to filling in my very paltry knowledge about meditation.

Would you be so kind as to suggest a mantra for me please?
awareness abiding as awareness.
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Would you be so kind as to suggest a mantra for me please?
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AYAM
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Opens up your spirit to the demonic realm.
That is how Howard Stern became possessed.
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it must suck to live in fear like that
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At least in the case of my more singular experience, there was an entity lodged in an eave of a school where there had been regular violent abuse occurring. I had been meditating for several years, and my friend for several months. It was around midnight and we were taking a walk. He was smoking a cigarette as usual. We had not taken any mind altering substances or been drinking that night.

We rounded the corner of the building under the eave, and were both instantly frozen by one of the strangest things we had ever seen. There was a greyish/brown luminescent plasma ball about a foot in diameter hovering in the crook of the eave. It dropped down and passed through my buddies abdomen, and shot up into a nearby power pole over the transformers, and then faded from view.

My buddy was doubled over with pain. I intuited that the thing was still there watching us, and that something about my friend, He was a person gripped with fear relating to overly powerful experiences too early in life maybe, a lightning rod of a person maybe.

I suggested we sit down and meditate, and during meditation I intuited that the thing was still there but calming down.

When I walked home I saw it physically again as a light up in the power lines half a block up the street, for just a moment, then it I felt like it followed me home (using the power lines as a path), about a mile away. Where I was living was on a corner of two streets with picture windows on both sides of the living room and the place felt like a sort of grand central station for attention, at least from all the regular pedestrians, and I assume spiritually too.

Nothing special happened for several months, but one evening that same friend was there and we were just chatting about nothing in particular, I don't know, but for a fraction of a second we both simultaneously got a feeling in our gut of something approaching, and the same damn plasma ball jumped right out of the west wall, shot through the west wall, crossed through the middle of the room in a fraction of a second and disappeared through the east wall. We both instinctively leaped away at the same time.

I had another later encounter where I was with a cousin and used the memory and the feeling in the gut to call the thing intentionally, and while I remained perfectly calm and stationary, it jumped out of the wall and scared the hell out of my cousin. I realized it could be called and tested the link once in a while for a few years later, but I never sic-ed it on people from then on.

After taking up hang gliding in the 80's and now paragliding in Mexico I have had quite a few near-death experiences, and at least in one experience it seems a logical paradox that I am "still alive".

Fear is not the same thing it used to be for me and I feel incapable to call the entity, not that I even want to. But a few years ago I was walking down a remote rural road with a local shaman here in Mexico in the late afternoon, and I felt the same entity (I feel it in the gut), which was not visible to my eyes, but I felt it hovering over a small home nearby. I was careful to say nothing and not betray what I felt to the shaman, but all of a sudden he was transfixed with his eyes on the same spot were I had felt the entity, and we did something like "did you feel that?", "yeah!", "let's get outa' here".

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Would you be so kind as to suggest a mantra for me please?
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AYAM
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Yeah, as long as you don't associate it in any way with I AM. In these matters there are not good or bad associations, just associations that can be sticky points that impede the process.
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I am chuckling.
A week ago I googled up TM.
Needed to know more about it.
I did a course many years ago but I was not a meditator.

For the past year I meditate 20 minutes twice daily.
I breathe connected breaths and when mind wanders , attention just flows back to the breath.
Anyway some impulse arose which obviously wanted me to explore this further and today I find this page.
Which I must say is written very beautifully and goes a long way to filling in my very paltry knowledge about meditation.

Would you be so kind as to suggest a mantra for me please?
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Go back to page 2 and you will see the "official" list there, and the brief recommendations on their use in a single post.

However the mantra you choose is not as important as the rules of effortlessness. Study those first. If you could simply apply the rules of effortlessness to what ever your practice is now, that might be worthwhile.
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...

To each their own, but meditation has been a fundamental good thing in my life.
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kitty You won't be saying that if you die in your sins.
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You are missing the point we don't believe the same as you WE will not die for our sins, there is no sins. What does your religion say about judging other people, I love how you pick and choose what beliefs to follow.
sheesh
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:flo6::fuji: Oh you don't walk away from it that easily. Jesus Christ created the entire universe and He is the one who gives this world the clip on how it goes. Hell and sin exist and you are under the Devils spell with your TM crap.

Eze 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Eze 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.


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HA!

Where on Earth did you read that JC created the Universe?

You are just making up rubbish from your buttocks.

Your ideas are those of either a 3 year old retard or a paid dis-information agent.

Either way, you're pretty useless.
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OP, thanks for the good information. I take you are wise enough to ignore the weirdos that will crawl out from under their rocks here :P
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there is no need for meditation, that is old 3d way, eyes open with love in your heart walk and live in a meditative state constantly, hope this makes sense.
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I actually walk and live this way most of the time, especially when in public, and it is very beautiful and intuitive.

Sometimes I do pure meditation too though, as it sometimes, or ultimately, allows for some much more profound journeys.

Tlazocamate

However the mantra you choose is not as important as the rules of effortlessness. Study those first. If you could simply apply the rules of effortlessness to what ever your practice is now, that might be worthwhile.
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(for example, if your basic technique is simply walking and living, you could apply the rules of effortlessness to it, to make it a sort of mantra. It would "work", and I definitely recommend it, but pure meditation is a worthwhile experience too.

Here is a nice short film, made by meditators, that reflects these ideas of meditation in action.


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Would you be so kind as to suggest a mantra for me please?
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AYAM
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Thank you,.
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First, I am not a Christian, or anything else.

But to all reading, please be careful and research before doing TM.

There are many great meditations out there.

But TM, art of living, isha, etc....they are all Hindu-god cults. The mantras, when translated, give obeisance to various gods/goddesses.

I've had years of experience in these eastern guru groups. It's easy to ignore the warning signs, to self-delude, in the search of "enlightenment"

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resting in the natural state of the mind ^^

I see some similarities between what you are doing and generation and completion meditation in vajrayana.

Cool informative post, thanking you!
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Thank you Cuar,

I took a few minutes to briefly Wiki for Vajrayana.

For many years now I discover more and more that my own inate inner knowledge, and development, paralelles that of theraveda budhisim very closely at least.

However "random chance", or fate, in my life, has never hooked me up with the Budhist societies, (except for a visit from a woman close to the Dali Lama, with little 'ol me in a humble Mexican pueblo, out of the blue, a few years ago... no joke! ...but we just had coffee, chatted for several hours, and looked into each others eyes a lot, nothing seemed to come of it, so there ya go.)

It is enough to me to see that there are others out there who see outside the box too.

If I mesh up with some of those people by random chance, then I might consider it somehow meant to be, and if not, I have no motive to reach out that way, even though I suspect that it may be one of the "highest" philosophies.

In other words I go with the flow, not extending my intention much on the issue. Things of that nature that are meant to be, will happen.

So with great respect, I say Thank You.
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First, I am not a Christian, or anything else.

But to all reading, please be careful and research before doing TM.

There are many great meditations out there.

But TM, art of living, isha, etc....they are all Hindu-god cults. The mantras, when translated, give obeisance to various gods/goddesses.

I've had years of experience in these eastern guru groups. It's easy to ignore the warning signs, to self-delude, in the search of "enlightenment".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34613724


The intent of this thread is all about enabling anyone to avoid those sorts groups, if they so choose.

On the other hand sometimes some of those groups do provide opportunities for deeper meditation if there are many people meditating together in an "adequate" manner, if they have a silent abstract meditation procedure (few do).

If one wished to participate in such a group however, I would only suggest that one put themselves more on the receiving end of the money and benefits chain, not on the paying end, and better to know the organization from within the control structure, rather than as one of the "sheep".

P.S., oh, and you may know more about this than me.
Please go back to the Transcendental Meditation Mantra list on page 2, and please tell me which gods those mantras represent.

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I grew up in Fairfield, Iowa. It used to be a nice quiet little Christian town that thrived and flourished with family oriented businesses and churches. When MIU bought Parson's college, the whole town changed. Some of my family still lives there and when I go to visit, it just makes me sick to see my hometown ruined by meditators. They have made the town into some utopia, California, liberal, hippy tree hugging town. I don't care if you meditate or whatever, but I really wish you would have left our nice little town alone. That's what happens when you have no Christian values I guess.
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I grew up in Fairfield, Iowa. It used to be a nice quiet little Christian town that thrived and flourished with family oriented businesses and churches. When MIU bought Parson's college, the whole town changed. Some of my family still lives there and when I go to visit, it just makes me sick to see my hometown ruined by meditators. They have made the town into some utopia, California, liberal, hippy tree hugging town. I don't care if you meditate or whatever, but I really wish you would have left our nice little town alone. That's what happens when you have no Christian values I guess.
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There ya go! I relate to your point of view, and sympathize with you.
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First, I am not a Christian, or anything else.

But to all reading, please be careful and research before doing TM.

There are many great meditations out there.

But TM, art of living, isha, etc....they are all Hindu-god cults. The mantras, when translated, give obeisance to various gods/goddesses.

I've had years of experience in these eastern guru groups. It's easy to ignore the warning signs, to self-delude, in the search of "enlightenment".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34613724


The intent of this thread is all about enabling anyone to avoid those sorts groups, if they so choose.

On the other hand sometimes some of those groups do provide opportunities for deeper meditation if there are many people meditating together in an "adequate" manner, if they have a silent abstract meditation procedure (few do).

If one wished to participate in such a group however, I would only suggest that one put themselves more on the receiving end of the money and benefits chain, not on the paying end, and better to know the organization from within the control structure, rather than as one of the "sheep".

P.S., oh, and you may know more about this than me.
Please go back to the Transcendental Meditation Mantra list on page 2, and please tell me which gods those mantras represent.
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But yet you are proselytizing for TM? Which is a yoga cult-group. You should also know that karma can bite you in the butt for that.

As far as the mantras, it is in people's best interest to do their own research. They'll only believe what they want to hear - which is why the cult groups do so well in recruiting people.

My goal is to warn people enough to encourage them to use their own thinking skills and figure out the hidden agenda, on their own.

These cult groups encourage dependence, external focus and god worship.

No mantra is necessary to connect to divinity, or internal source
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hummbird Yoga, TM and suchlike only leads to one place...and you don't want to go there.

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To each their own, but meditation has been a fundamental good thing in my life.
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True dat!

I have found a profound peace in meditation that I was not able to attain in all my years as a christian!
The greatest gift you can give anyone is the example of your own life working. -Orin
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First, I am not a Christian, or anything else.

But to all reading, please be careful and research before doing TM.

There are many great meditations out there.

But TM, art of living, isha, etc....they are all Hindu-god cults. The mantras, when translated, give obeisance to various gods/goddesses.

I've had years of experience in these eastern guru groups. It's easy to ignore the warning signs, to self-delude, in the search of "enlightenment".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34613724


The intent of this thread is all about enabling anyone to avoid those sorts groups, if they so choose.

On the other hand sometimes some of those groups do provide opportunities for deeper meditation if there are many people meditating together in an "adequate" manner, if they have a silent abstract meditation procedure (few do).

If one wished to participate in such a group however, I would only suggest that one put themselves more on the receiving end of the money and benefits chain, not on the paying end, and better to know the organization from within the control structure, rather than as one of the "sheep".

P.S., oh, and you may know more about this than me.
Please go back to the Transcendental Meditation Mantra list on page 2, and please tell me which gods those mantras represent.
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But yet you are proselytizing for TM? Which is a yoga cult-group. You should also know that karma can bite you in the butt for that.

As far as the mantras, it is in people's best interest to do their own research. They'll only believe what they want to hear - which is why the cult groups do so well in recruiting people.

My goal is to warn people enough to encourage them to use their own thinking skills and figure out the hidden agenda, on their own.

These cult groups encourage dependence, external focus and god worship.

No mantra is necessary to connect to divinity, or internal source
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I am not at all proselytizing TM the cult group.

I am merely revealing (for free) the essence of their secret technique, which I have found to be exquisitely effective.

You are correct. No mantra is necessary to connect to divinity or to the internal source.

If you read these instructions carefully, you will realize that it says just that.

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"The key to enlightenment and serenity during this period of ten thousand visions is simply this:
Relax.
Merge yourself with them.
Blissfully accept the wonders of your own creativity.
Become neither attached nor afraid,
Neither be attracted nor repulsed.
Above all, do nothing about the visions.
They exist only within you."


Tibetan Book Of The Dead
Second Bardo
Preliminary Instructons
last verse
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Thanks again OP I cant wait to hear anymore of your information on this or any similar subjects.
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I just got back from an overnighter to Ixcateopan. It was pretty awesome.

Of course it relates to this thread too, in terms of contrasting forms of "silence", and how silence can dwell in "noise", and contrasting energy areas.

...and that would be a good lead in for another post about a few of my own ideas of "advanced techniques", which I sort of follow to this day.

Anyhow, Ixcateopan, I did spend a lot of my time there in silent meditation right next to the performers, "watching" more with my inner eye.

After 1:00 am I couldn't sleep really near the ceremonial center with the deafening drums shaking you to the core, although others did and I did the year before, and anywhere near the center of town is just as loud, so i wandered to a cornfield near the archeological site at the south end of town and laid down in the furrows and got fleeting sleep there under the cold high altitude sky and bright full moon.

I could have made it more comfortable on myself, and maybe I will next time, but maybe it seems like roughing it is more appropriate for the Ixcateopan event.

Many of the dancers are also long distance runners and they run the 20 or so miles of mountain road from Taxco to Ixcateopan, but the basic public transportation is adequate and economical. 39 pesos from Taxco to Ixcateopan.



Annual ceremony in honor of Cuauhtémoc
Cuauhtemoc has become a symbol of Mexican cultural identity and for many dancers who come here to celebrate, a symbol of their modern identity.

Cuauhtémoc has become a symbol of ethnocultural identity, nationalism and resistance, and this place brings indigenous people from all over Mexico and other nations in the Americas.

The end of February is important as Cuauhtémoc’s birthday (23 February) and death (28 February) are commemorated here. His day of birth draws the most dance groups who come from all over Mexico, the U.S., Canada and South America, to lay offerings, dance and sing in many different languages. Preparations at the church/museum and the rest of the town occupy the days and nights before the 23rd. For several days straddling the birthday itself, dances and ceremonies continue almost non-stop, accompanies by huehuetls (Aztec drums), and wind instruments made of animal horns and large conch shells and accompanied by copal incense.

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ADVANCED TECHNIQUES not to be confused with TM Sidhis, or the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali.

I never received these techniques but from what I understand they are Sanskrit prefixes and suffixes on the mantra which mean things like "Hail" or "Holy", and "I bow down".

First of all I would criticize the philosophy behind these mantras in that they have mental associations, which I could also say about the Sutras, but at least the Sutras do not have religious connotations, but are specific tools, just as the sorcerer has tools.

I respect sorcery because it is direct, mechanical, and experiential. I do not respect religion, because it is mostly dogma meant to keep peoples spiritual center outside it's true seat, which is ones self, making the people useful hosts for parasitic interests, which is to say a PTB/Sheep relation.

In any case I learned meditation simply for a technique of silencing the mind, and the basic TM technique did that perfectly. I do not necessarily consider the Maharishi or his dogma to be infallible.

My spiritual interests have always been more with Occult Mexican Shamanism and Native American practices, of which the ability to silence the mind is also important.

I do not consider my word to be divine either, but here are my recommendations on "Advanced Techniques" which I came up with myself back in the 70's, after I learned to meditate.

Ehecatl's Advanced Techniques
Once one has meditated alone in a quiet environment a number of times and feel that they have profoundly felt some silence because of it, they could set out to try the following things.

*Meditate with one or more people practicing a similar technique, and note afterwards if the experience was different, and how.

*Meditate in a public area were people look at you once in a while, and note the thoughts and feelings that pass in meditation, from being stared at, which will polish the intuitive link we have with other people, and confirm that not all our thoughts are our own.

*Try meditating in some private but busy area, like under a freeway underpass or something, where lots of people pass, and reflect later on the nature of that experience.

*Go down the list on page one of preferable situations to structure meditation, relating to a quiet place, pets, food, etc., and meditate in a situation contrary to any one of those recommendations, one at a time, and after in rest, reflect on the nature of the experience.

*Try meditating with the eyes open while walking alone. Even better, if one is a runner, try meditating while long-distance running.


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"The key to enlightenment and serenity during this period of ten thousand visions is simply this:
Relax.
Merge yourself with them.
Blissfully accept the wonders of your own creativity.
Become neither attached nor afraid,
Neither be attracted nor repulsed.
Above all, do nothing about the visions.
They exist only within you."


Tibetan Book Of The Dead
Second Bardo
Preliminary Instructons
last verse
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And the man of lawlessness will sit in the temple of God (the body), declaring himself to be God

The age is nearly done when so many sons and daughters of perdition are being raised through eastern meditation.
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"The key to enlightenment and serenity during this period of ten thousand visions is simply this:
Relax.
Merge yourself with them.
Blissfully accept the wonders of your own creativity.
Become neither attached nor afraid,
Neither be attracted nor repulsed.
Above all, do nothing about the visions.
They exist only within you."


Tibetan Book Of The Dead
Second Bardo
Preliminary Instructions
last verse
 Quoting: ehecatl


And the man of lawlessness will sit in the temple of God (the body), declaring himself to be God

The age is nearly done when so many sons and daughters of perdition are being raised through eastern meditation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35557670


Is not God Omnipresent?

If God is not the center of every soul, then something omnipresent cannot exist. If God is an element of self called, "outside of self", (because everything is self, in fact, just somethings more so than others) then that is obviously not a very balanced comprehensive view, of what one calls God.

If God means anything, it is accessibility, otherwise it is only an unknown tool. It may as well not exist.

The only thing that is both accessible in any state where consciousness exists, and is as universal as possible, is the simple silent undefinable essence of whatever it is that makes a soul, an I AM.

In as much as "God" exists, that can be the only passage.

If one is in a room praying, where is God? Over in a church? No. God must be in the room, if you think your prayer has any meaning.

If you are dying, your eyes are long since closed, and you are going off into where ever your experience takes you... where is God then?



Is God over in some church then that you can't even see, or is God in some priest, or is God in some verses, of which you cannot even remember a single word, because you are loosing your organic brain?

If so, then you might as well kiss your ass goodbye, or stop believing in an insanity of external dogma,

a dogma which as we find out seems to be foisted on human groups, so that they spill attention energy overboard, for the parasites to suck up.

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Hi OP. Wow, nice of you to share all this. I started with TM in 1972, didn't stay with it but went on to, five years later, another path and guru, which I follow to this day. That is how it worked out for me, karmically speaking, and it's still working out well. I am now a full-fledged, Western-style yogi, which means I adhere to yoga philosophy, but don't claim to know more than or be superior to anyone.
My guru and Maharishi knew each other, and had a relationship based on profound love and respect.

I started TM to "relieve stress." Hahahahah! Little did I know my life would be changed so profoundly. Kind of like today's neophytes who start hatha yoga (stretching, etc, and called
"yoga" by almost everyone in the West) thinking it's just a good physical activity. Little do they know the bliss which awaits them if they go deeper into yoga philosophy and practices.



From one kindred spirit to another, hariomtatsat.
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Hi OP. Wow, nice of you to share all this. I started with TM in 1972, didn't stay with it but went on to, five years later, another path and guru, which I follow to this day. That is how it worked out for me, karmically speaking, and it's still working out well. I am now a full-fledged, Western-style yogi, which means I adhere to yoga philosophy, but don't claim to know more than or be superior to anyone.
My guru and Maharishi knew each other, and had a relationship based on profound love and respect.

I started TM to "relieve stress." Hahahahah! Little did I know my life would be changed so profoundly. Kind of like today's neophytes who start hatha yoga (stretching, etc, and called
"yoga" by almost everyone in the West) thinking it's just a good physical activity. Little do they know the bliss which awaits them if they go deeper into yoga philosophy and practices.

From one kindred spirit to another, hariomtatsat.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35561798

Thank You kindred spirit from Greece.

I think you posted the same on page 2 and I responded there,

but I also learned basic but balanced group of hatha yoga asanas (and pranayama), through the TM org.

As far as their official printed material they provided on the subject of Hatha, it is roughly sketched and photocopied in an amusingly rustic manner, (considering all the fabulous gold leafed super professional design in their other official materials)

There have been times in my life, like when healing from spinal injuries from paragliding a few years ago, where those Hatha asanas have been essential to complete healing and restoration of health.

I think I'll take photos and post that with explanations later.

What does the "tat" part of hari-om-tat-sat mean?

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