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The Loophole
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There's something that has blown my mind today, but I don't often share first hand knowledge stuff on here because there's a general disbelief that anyone could be that close to anything and it's just not worth fighting an entire belief system. It detracts from the stuff anyway,and it's not like sharing it is really going to change the world.

Just wondering if I'm the only one that feels the same.
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No, I'm right there with you.
"The man who reads nothing is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers." ~Thomas Jefferson
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No, I'm right there with you.
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Ah well, if I had to pick a Jesus to be with me, you'd be the only one.
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Ah well, if I had to pick a Jesus to be with me, you'd be the only one.

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There's something that has blown my mind today, but I don't often share first hand knowledge stuff on here because there's a general disbelief that anyone could be that close to anything and it's just not worth fighting an entire belief system. It detracts from the stuff anyway,and it's not like sharing it is really going to change the world.

Just wondering if I'm the only one that feels the same.
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I have seen,heard and experienced things first hand that cannot exist in my belief system. On the other hand, i'm not going to throw out the baby with the bathwater. I've come to believe that the truth is bigger than my belief system.
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:hug2:
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I have seen,heard and experienced things first hand that cannot exist in my belief system. On the other hand, i'm not going to throw out the baby with the bathwater. I've come to believe that the truth is bigger than my belief system.
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hug2
 Quoting: TheBrandoV


hf
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Can you give us a hint about what it was or how it blew your mind?

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You can say it, everything has been said before

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Its appetite will of cause grow and grow, and then you point your finger at its hunger?
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You can say it, everything has been said before

gemam
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Not sure this one has been.

copy paste because I'm too lazy to type it neatly:


shit, i'm not insane. you know how i said the drowning shit i went through at yale seemed to match interrogation technique research and was referenced as research by the cia when they were trying to explain waterboarding...

yale doesn't claim themselves experts unless they do research on something first...
look at the fucking news today [link to rt.com (secure)]
"Yale will train US Special Forces in interrogation techniques using immigrants as guinea pigs"


they did the same MO with the EEG and MRI combo, they never mentioned the original research that i was in a decade earlier and then one day they publicly announced that they were going to "start research using that combo" and now they're the leading experts in it.

i think that's how they role..they hide the original research until they are sure it will be a success and then they publicly say they are starting
so that the work they do in the public eye is all great successes and they're put on a pedestal.
it makes sense. that's what one of my schools used to do and they were also "top of the list" ...no one is that shiny unless they hide their failures and rehearse their success.

The thing is that the news today just really brought it home for me that
I have witnessed human experimentation.
It's heartbreaking.
I'm not even talking about what I have been through. I witnessed the worst years ago when I was sent along to complete a class down a locked hall, took several wrong turns- although i swear those were the directions, and ended up in a large badly maintained shower room full of people that were apparently being kept there. I was a kid then and what they were saying, when they told me to run, it didn't make much sense to me. I wanted to run, to escape, but I was too young to even know how to. But those people, I've always just buried them in my mind with all of the other fucked up unexplainable things, but they were human beings. It just hit today.

BTW
It was an intern from one of those research projects that finally broke down, stopped me on the street far from the office a couple years later, and told me about the cancer. Yay for there still being humans in the midst.

Just to get back to a lighter note:
My response to are you having a good day:

"
yale considers themselves experts in interrogation
meaning i'm just a fucking singing canary
so yeah, why not
i'm a success story :P
"
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Told you so tounge
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You can say it, everything has been said before

:gemam:
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Not sure this one has been.

copy paste because I'm too lazy to type it neatly:


shit, i'm not insane. you know how i said the drowning shit i went through at yale seemed to match interrogation technique research and was referenced as research by the cia when they were trying to explain waterboarding...

yale doesn't claim themselves experts unless they do research on something first...
look at the fucking news today [link to rt.com (secure)]
"Yale will train US Special Forces in interrogation techniques using immigrants as guinea pigs"


they did the same MO with the EEG and MRI combo, they never mentioned the original research that i was in a decade earlier and then one day they publicly announced that they were going to "start research using that combo" and now they're the leading experts in it.

i think that's how they role..they hide the original research until they are sure it will be a success and then they publicly say they are starting
so that the work they do in the public eye is all great successes and they're put on a pedestal.
it makes sense. that's what one of my schools used to do and they were also "top of the list" ...no one is that shiny unless they hide their failures and rehearse their success.

The thing is that the news today just really brought it home for me that
I have witnessed human experimentation.
It's heartbreaking.
I'm not even talking about what I have been through. I witnessed the worst years ago when I was sent along to complete a class down a locked hall, took several wrong turns- although i swear those were the directions, and ended up in a large badly maintained shower room full of people that were apparently being kept there. I was a kid then and what they were saying, when they told me to run, it didn't make much sense to me. I wanted to run, to escape, but I was too young to even know how to. But those people, I've always just buried them in my mind with all of the other fucked up unexplainable things, but they were human beings. It just hit today.

BTW
It was an intern from one of those research projects that finally broke down, stopped me on the street far from the office a couple years later, and told me about the cancer. Yay for there still being humans in the midst.

Just to get back to a lighter note:
My response to are you having a good day:

"
yale considers themselves experts in interrogation
meaning i'm just a fucking singing canary
so yeah, why not
i'm a success story :P
"
 Quoting: The Loophole


Thanks for sharing. It makes sense they would roll that way.

It sounds like whoever gave you the directions wanted you to find those people and like they set you up to walk into that situation. Maybe as a way of making you feel hopeless or trapped or as a trauma to get you to dissociate from what was happening to you in the same building.

Do you remember what they were telling you when you walked in on them that didn't make sense at the time?
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Thanks for sharing. It makes sense they would roll that way.

It sounds like whoever gave you the directions wanted you to find those people and like they set you up to walk into that situation. Maybe as a way of making you feel hopeless or trapped or as a trauma to get you to dissociate from what was happening to you in the same building.

Do you remember what they were telling you when you walked in on them that didn't make sense at the time?
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The conversation wasn't that long. I'm not sure there was really anything to say in that kind of situation. I was curious and staring at the conditions of the place. The old man pointed to the general situation, the people, but there just aren't many words for that. I asked them if they lived down there and he said yes. Then he told me I needed to escape, to just go through the door upstairs and keep on going. That's the part that didn't make sense to me, it was kind of a "dude, if I was old enough to run away don't you think I would be gone already?" moment. But I still remember thinking about just taking a left and just running for it when I got past that door on my way back out. There just didn't seem a point to trying.
I think that's why I bury that memory. Some sort of survivor's guilt...but not quite...like I had a chance they didn't and I didn't take it - that guilt.
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Thanks for sharing. It makes sense they would roll that way.

It sounds like whoever gave you the directions wanted you to find those people and like they set you up to walk into that situation. Maybe as a way of making you feel hopeless or trapped or as a trauma to get you to dissociate from what was happening to you in the same building.

Do you remember what they were telling you when you walked in on them that didn't make sense at the time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32062218


The conversation wasn't that long. I'm not sure there was really anything to say in that kind of situation. I was curious and staring at the conditions of the place. The old man pointed to the general situation, the people, but there just aren't many words for that. I asked them if they lived down there and he said yes. Then he told me I needed to escape, to just go through the door upstairs and keep on going. That's the part that didn't make sense to me, it was kind of a "dude, if I was old enough to run away don't you think I would be gone already?" moment. But I still remember thinking about just taking a left and just running for it when I got past that door on my way back out. There just didn't seem a point to trying.
I think that's why I bury that memory. Some sort of survivor's guilt...but not quite...like I had a chance they didn't and I didn't take it - that guilt.
 Quoting: The Loophole


Maybe they set the whole thing up to make you feel that way the same way pedophiles mess with victims' minds.

It sounds like it could have been theater.

A) to make you feel guilt and shame and somehow responsible or like you chose what happened to you because you didn't "run when you had a (fake) chance"
B) to make you think you weren't a prisoner because you didn't live in the rundown shower camp
C) to keep you from looking for or recognizing the real victims/prisoners
D) to make it so if you ever told your other stories of the facility later people would assume it was all made up.
(A very common tactic used on abuse victims. The perv throws on a Santa suit because who is going to believe a little kid who says he was raped by Santa Claus?)

They sent you off by yourself as a small child with specific instructions that took you into a rundown shower area set up like a Hogans Heroes prison camp.

I don't mean to discount anything that happened to you by sharing my opinions tainted by my own bad experiences. The fact that the scenario might have been fake just verifies they were some truly diabolical fiends.

Thank you for sharing your experiences on here. It helps me work through my own.
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Maybe they set the whole thing up to make you feel that way the same way pedophiles mess with victims' minds.

It sounds like it could have been theater.

A) to make you feel guilt and shame and somehow responsible or like you chose what happened to you because you didn't "run when you had a (fake) chance"
B) to make you think you weren't a prisoner because you didn't live in the rundown shower camp
C) to keep you from looking for or recognizing the real victims/prisoners
D) to make it so if you ever told your other stories of the facility later people would assume it was all made up.
(A very common tactic used on abuse victims. The perv throws on a Santa suit because who is going to believe a little kid who says he was raped by Santa Claus?)

They sent you off by yourself as a small child with specific instructions that took you into a rundown shower area set up like a Hogans Heroes prison camp.

I don't mean to discount anything that happened to you by sharing my opinions tainted by my own bad experiences. The fact that the scenario might have been fake just verifies they were some truly diabolical fiends.

Thank you for sharing your experiences on here. It helps me work through my own.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32062218


I go through all sorts of "what if" scenarios for some things.
Others I research. The stuff that I experienced in medical research departments (not so much the DoD stuff, which is why today's news made my eyes cross) usually ends up being published at some point.

I've had to wait a a decade or two for them to publish in a lot of cases, but some came out within a year of the research.. it's just digging back through the old journal articles to find it at this point.

It's still always a shock to see it confirmed. Even after all of this time. Even after some people have come forward and acknowledged their part in it. It's just that I was so accustomed to burying it all and deny deny deny, that having it confirmed is a bit of a shock to the system still. I'm used to covering up for people I shouldn't. And not denying means to acknowledge that there were real people being used.... I don't think every scenario was faked. I think there were a hell of a lot of lies, don't get me wrong. But some things were just too real. If you take away the words and just watch the experience, that tells enough.

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Oh..on the santa thing.
I met someone whose family went and set up christmas lights outside of her window, put on eerie music, and then came in with alien masks.... all so that the poor girl that had already been through enough would end up ranting about aliens.

Discrediting is a bitch and I see so many people falling for it.
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My heart goes out to you.

A warm hug for you, Red.
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My heart goes out to you.

A warm hug for you, Red.
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Thanks
grouphug
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Oh..on the santa thing.
I met someone whose family went and set up christmas lights outside of her window, put on eerie music, and then came in with alien masks.... all so that the poor girl that had already been through enough would end up ranting about aliens.

Discrediting is a bitch and I see so many people falling for it.
 Quoting: The Loophole


Wow. Thank you for posting this. This is very similar to what was done to me except with me they used a devil mask.

Do you know why they did that?
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Oh..on the santa thing.
I met someone whose family went and set up christmas lights outside of her window, put on eerie music, and then came in with alien masks.... all so that the poor girl that had already been through enough would end up ranting about aliens.

Discrediting is a bitch and I see so many people falling for it.
 Quoting: The Loophole


Wow. Thank you for posting this. This is very similar to what was done to me except with me they used a devil mask.

Do you know why they did that?
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I'm pretty sure it's just to make you look like a fucking lunatic.
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Oh..on the santa thing.
I met someone whose family went and set up christmas lights outside of her window, put on eerie music, and then came in with alien masks.... all so that the poor girl that had already been through enough would end up ranting about aliens.

Discrediting is a bitch and I see so many people falling for it.
 Quoting: The Loophole


Wow. Thank you for posting this. This is very similar to what was done to me except with me they used a devil mask.

Do you know why they did that?
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I'm pretty sure it's just to make you look like a fucking lunatic.
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Thanks. That made me laugh. Over the years I've tended to overthink it.

I'm not sure what is scarier as a little kid. Thinking the devil is in your room late at night with thunder and lightning and brimstone or being able to see the powercords on the strobe light and smoke machine and recognizing it's your dad wearing the devil mask grabbing and growling at you while your mother peeks around the doorway to watch.

That's a safe memory that I keep handy to remind me of how evil and insane they were. Not sure I want to remember a whole lot more.

I hope the girl you mentioned is ok and was able to get away from her family.

Thanks again for sharing the way you do. You are a very strong person. I hope things are going well for you these days.
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Thanks. That made me laugh. Over the years I've tended to overthink it.

I'm not sure what is scarier as a little kid. Thinking the devil is in your room late at night with thunder and lightning and brimstone or being able to see the powercords on the strobe light and smoke machine and recognizing it's your dad wearing the devil mask grabbing and growling at you while your mother peeks around the doorway to watch.

That's a safe memory that I keep handy to remind me of how evil and insane they were. Not sure I want to remember a whole lot more.

I hope the girl you mentioned is ok and was able to get away from her family.

Thanks again for sharing the way you do. You are a very strong person. I hope things are going well for you these days.
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Hehe.
No prob.
I think sometimes we look for too much meaning in something because it had meaning to us.

To someone else involved it might have just been a fucked up prank or another day at the office.

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blinkin girl, you sound hot, despite the despair.
where in UK are you?
would love to have a chat sometime
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blinkin girl, you sound hot, despite the despair.
where in UK are you?
would love to have a chat sometime
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good luck with your "chat" :)
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Hmm some of my freinds once held me under the water just for fun once, and they were my freinds lol no interogation there
Maybe some of the stuff is from other realms or some of your dreams mixed in, just a thought

anyway in some schools they punish the whole class if just a few have been naughty, its called colecttive punishment

I duno, but your story sounds like its full of holes also
It sounds scary though, life is torture at times
Put a lion in a cage for years without food and watch what happens.
Its appetite will of cause grow and grow, and then you point your finger at its hunger?
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We are not like you Germans you know??
no Gestapo here...
I could of proudly fought for Germany you know....
but after being betrayed at Stalingrad , and the political side of the SS, Germany lost its Honour!!
How different life could of been.....
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I believe the question then is what your will really represents when you will share or not. Release yourself from pride and shame in all levels of manifestation before sharing it. What change would it bring on sharing it, what change would it bring on keeping it. Is it beneficial to yourself or others. Would you benefit more people by not sharing it.

gaah


Hope you decide for the best lol tounge

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Hmm some of my freinds once held me under the water just for fun once, and they were my freinds lol no interogation there
Maybe some of the stuff is from other realms or some of your dreams mixed in, just a thought

anyway in some schools they punish the whole class if just a few have been naughty, its called colecttive punishment

I duno, but your story sounds like its full of holes also
It sounds scary though, life is torture at times
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Groan.
See?
"Maybe it was just a dream."
Unfortunately, I wasn't that drugged.
But this is a pretty common reaction to truths...bury, bury, bury.
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One of the ways to try to get you to totally submit , especially by the 70s, was to attack you in dreams.
breakyou down...Terrify, Imprison , abuse... over and over...
as well as other things of course..
the thing was, onc you submitted and knew you were owned , imprisoned and could not do anything... that is whn your mind fractured... well one of the ways..
Imagine a dreamworld of dreams where in most you are in a type of prison, in others constantly chased , abused..... you get my drift.
you had to break though... some of these stupid doctors, fucking with frequencies , etc... im sure they didnt know what they were doing... to an extent. Made some people sronger than they could of been....true storeeee
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One of the ways to try to get you to totally submit , especially by the 70s, was to attack you in dreams.
breakyou down...Terrify, Imprison , abuse... over and over...
as well as other things of course..
the thing was, onc you submitted and knew you were owned , imprisoned and could not do anything... that is whn your mind fractured... well one of the ways..
Imagine a dreamworld of dreams where in most you are in a type of prison, in others constantly chased , abused..... you get my drift.
you had to break though... some of these stupid doctors, fucking with frequencies , etc... im sure they didnt know what they were doing... to an extent. Made some people sronger than they could of been....true storeeee
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In dreams, eh?

Wouldn't it make more sense to dope someone up and then tell them they were dreaming?

I mean...it must be difficult to take over someone's dreams, even with unlimited funding.

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