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====----____The Nootropics Thread!____-----====

 
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Anyone tried Rhodiola rosea?

It is my favourite adaptogen/nootropic.

Also Withania somnifera is good.

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how long does it take to feel the difference on rhodiola ?
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Anyone tried Rhodiola rosea?

It is my favourite adaptogen/nootropic.

Also Withania somnifera is good.

peace
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how long does it take to feel the difference on rhodiola ?
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I feel it in hours.

It is a reversible inhibitor of monoamine oxidases, as well as enhancing "endorphin" production.

It is far superior to anti-depressants for the same indications.
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Anyone tried Rhodiola rosea?

It is my favourite adaptogen/nootropic.

Also Withania somnifera is good.

peace
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how long does it take to feel the difference on rhodiola ?
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I feel it in hours.

It is a reversible inhibitor of monoamine oxidases, as well as enhancing "endorphin" production.

It is far superior to anti-depressants for the same indications.
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how much to take to do that? extract or just powder is fine?
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how much to take to do that? extract or just powder is fine?
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I seem to recall most people take about 500mg of powder equivalent.

I would take 1,500mg per day. But that is far too much for most people.
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I had no idea what a nootropic was until this thread.

Thanks Sonic!

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Alpha Brain, according to Joe, is very good. Haven't tried it yet.

Good sleep, exercise and an every-other-day dose of 240mg Ginkgo.

Marijuana is good about once a week in a light dose.
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I had a fiend who tried Alpha Brain...I heard it sucked.
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Alpha Brain, according to Joe, is very good. Haven't tried it yet.

Good sleep, exercise and an every-other-day dose of 240mg Ginkgo.

Marijuana is good about once a week in a light dose.
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I had a fiend who tried Alpha Brain...I heard it sucked.
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Joe Rogan needs advertising!
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Hahaha!
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This is the thread where we discuss Nootropics!

I feel that Nootropics definitely are effective, and will eventually be scheduled in the United States...Because the U.S. Government, via the FDA does not want more intelligent people whose brains function quicker and more effectively by using substances which have no threshold overdose level, and are relatively inexpensive...can't have that now, can we?


I have experimented with multiple -racetam type nootropics, from Piracetam to Oxiracetam to Noopept. Even though Noopept is billed as 100x stronger than the "original" aka Piracetam, I have found that Piracetam gives the best effects!

I always mega-dose Piracetam (min. dose 4g, max dose 12g) and I always take Choline with the Piracetam....usually the equivalent dose.

This is a major point I can find no solid information on- the optimum dose of Choline to Piracetam. Some say to take 1/5 the Choline of Piracetam, others say take 1/2, still other say to take the same dose, and others state 2x the Choline of Piracetam.



If you have no idea what I am talking about, do yourself a favor, and research Nootropics! Nootropics are also known as Smart Drugs. Here are a couple FAQ pages regarding Nootropics to get you started:
[link to www.whatarenootropics.com]
[link to www.erowid.org]

Remember the movie, Limitless? Where there was a little pill that allowed the ingester to have turbocharged brain power? Well, nootropics can be just like that, except not to such a fantasy-level.


Side-note: Amazon.com has recently (within the past month) stopped offering Piracetam bulk powder and any form of Piracetam on their website. I find that interesting...not in a good way. Even more peculiar, other -racetam type Nootropics are still being sold on amazon.com, so I do not know what that means.


Please discuss your experience using Nootropics!

one last note for now: I am especially interested to hear about non-American use and opinions of Nootropics. When I first discovered their existence more than 12 years ago, I recall reading that they had been in popular use in Europe for years, and were just then (year 2000-2001) becoming known in the United States.

go!
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Nice to hear this. I was a chemist that made dozens of analogs of Piracetam decades ago. They definately work wonders.
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Joe Rogan needs advertising!
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Hahaha!
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My two sense - tried Alpha Brain (friend got back from the states had them)... have to say i did feel more aware and had some good chat... but hard to know what was just being out with some friends with good banter and what was alpha brain... would have to do a lot more testing to be sure but my first try was certainly positive...
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This is the thread where we discuss Nootropics!

I feel that Nootropics definitely are effective, and will eventually be scheduled in the United States...Because the U.S. Government, via the FDA does not want more intelligent people whose brains function quicker and more effectively by using substances which have no threshold overdose level, and are relatively inexpensive...can't have that now, can we?


I have experimented with multiple -racetam type nootropics, from Piracetam to Oxiracetam to Noopept. Even though Noopept is billed as 100x stronger than the "original" aka Piracetam, I have found that Piracetam gives the best effects!

I always mega-dose Piracetam (min. dose 4g, max dose 12g) and I always take Choline with the Piracetam....usually the equivalent dose.

This is a major point I can find no solid information on- the optimum dose of Choline to Piracetam. Some say to take 1/5 the Choline of Piracetam, others say take 1/2, still other say to take the same dose, and others state 2x the Choline of Piracetam.



If you have no idea what I am talking about, do yourself a favor, and research Nootropics! Nootropics are also known as Smart Drugs. Here are a couple FAQ pages regarding Nootropics to get you started:
[link to www.whatarenootropics.com]
[link to www.erowid.org]

Remember the movie, Limitless? Where there was a little pill that allowed the ingester to have turbocharged brain power? Well, nootropics can be just like that, except not to such a fantasy-level.


Side-note: Amazon.com has recently (within the past month) stopped offering Piracetam bulk powder and any form of Piracetam on their website. I find that interesting...not in a good way. Even more peculiar, other -racetam type Nootropics are still being sold on amazon.com, so I do not know what that means.


Please discuss your experience using Nootropics!

one last note for now: I am especially interested to hear about non-American use and opinions of Nootropics. When I first discovered their existence more than 12 years ago, I recall reading that they had been in popular use in Europe for years, and were just then (year 2000-2001) becoming known in the United States.

go!
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aniracetam is considerately more effective than piracetam. piracetam is old schooool...
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I feel like there's not enough interest in Nootropics on this forum =/
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I was taking piracetam and choline bitartrate until yesterday when i ran out of gel caps to fill.
How do people take their piracetam? I tried mixing it in a drink but the taste heavily disagreed with me.
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mix with a little coconut oil and drink it fast. try not to get any on your tongue, lol. it's so gross...
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Sounds really good, thanks for the tip!

If you ran out of gelcaps...hmmm...I suppose I would recommend "parachuting" the piracetam. Take one square of toilet paper, and separate it into one-ply. Then rip it in half or in 1/4 and add some powder, fold it up, and swallow with a giant gulp of water.
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I don't really like the idea of swallowing paper, considering the manufacturing process and the substances involved, but in such small quantities I guess it's not too much of a problem.
I'm also thinking of using some bread rolled into a ball, with the powder inside the ball. Thanks for the idea.

Have you heard of the use of cayenne pepper? I believe it's a vasodilator, so it could help in improving the bloodstream in the brain. I mix a pinch of it through my piracetam.


I passed my high school final exams with some pretty good grades- surprised my teachers as well as myself (I was smart enough throughout highschool but very lazy). We didn't have the internet back then (mid 90s) so there was no way of finding the nootropics I had read about but I put myself on a regime of gingko, ginseng, spirulina, guarana, cayenne peppers, fenetylalanine, valerian, vitamins and everything else i could lay my hands on. Worked like a charm.
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if you're looking to get away from the sour/bitter taste that some of the racetams and cholines have i suggest stevia! a drop or three does wonders.

it's also good to mix with something that naturally has a bit of a tart taste, like some kind of fruit juice.

i have great difficulty swallowing pills so everything i take is liquid or sublingual. a lot of nutritional supplements taste horrible, however after consuming them on a regular basis it is as if your taste buds recognize the beneficial effects and the perceived taste changes.

it's possible to make little jello pills... just be wary of the source of gelatin.
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Neurotrophins are what you really want.

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Great thread OP!

I've used Piracetam and the liquid form of it in Nootropil. A few others too. I ran out of Piracetam a while back and didn't feel like restocking. But I just ordered some Noopept power and some Choline today. I think I'll try stuffing some caps and see how it goes.

I did notice an effect from the Piracetam. I was able to think quicker and make associations easier. It didn't help with clarity of thought as much as I expected. Clarity of thought is very important.

The thing that I have found that helped more than anything is studying the Trivium. Thinking faster is not such a great help if you don't know how to think logically in the first place. Learning the Trivium has been hands-down the most useful thing I have ever done.

I am wondering what the effects of adding a Nootrpic to my intake now will be.
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Interesting thread OP..

Only thing that would be a concern for long term effects of keeping one's mind sharp and firing using these concentrated supplements is the cascadal effects on the adrenal stress response system.

You fire up the hypothalamus...the pituitary will wanna dance and invite the thyroid and adrenals for a tango too.

It's fun for a few years and i agree the energy is incomparable to other stimulants most folk use..but then when that kind of stimulation is stopped, you'll sink like a lead weight into hypotrytophan hell. You wind up using them daily for years, as you attest to.

But stimulation is stimulation whether chemically aimed at the intellectual or physical body system - the adrenal stress response system responds to stimulation as 'stress' (whether it is GOOD 'stress' or BAD stress)..

It would be wise to rotate days on and off with these compounds, while supplementing a good non-synthetic B complex with high B5, B6, 2Gram vit C, omega 3,6 & zinc to preserve strong adrenal function, coupled with selenium and kelp for the thyroid integrity.

If you embark on nootropics while endocrinologically challenged you'll possibly find you have paradoxical reactions to those advertised and experienced by everyone else.

They certainly have their advantages and should be used with certain conditions instead of poisonous pharmaceuticals, but there are also instances they should be used with caution, if at all.
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In bold- cite your reference, please. Did you even read through the entire thread?
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How long have yo been taking this? What is your experience so far OP?
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I have not taken Piracetam+Choline stack faithfully for longer than a 2-3 month period. It is solely due to funds. I could afford it, but I just have not seemed to continue faithfully taking the Nootropic stack.

I first ingested this Nootropic stack roughly 12 years ago. It has been for the past two years or so, that I take Piracetam and Choline daily, usually 2-3 doses each day, for two month spans.


I expect to receive a shipment of 500g (1.1 pounds) of bulk Piracetam powder today via USPS, so I will have to spend a couple hours filling the empty capsules I also ordered.

I have found the following effects from using Piracetam*:

+Colors seem brighter (in a minor way, not in the same way as psychedelic...just brighter and more vivid.)

+Sounds seem more clear and interesting (music of course, but also mundane sounds have a more interesting quality to them)

+In fact, a great way to describe it would be that sensory input is "cleaner." Everything just has a more dynamic quality to it, but not in a dramatic fashion. Perhaps a good way to describe this effect would be the difference between watching a video on youtube at 480p, and then changing it to 720p.

+Social interactions are markedly improved. This is the greatest benefit and this is the reason why I love Piracetam. I find I can voice my thoughts in a clear and rapid manner, using more descriptive words, using more interesting language, and eliminating use of "um"s and "uh"s. By far, the greatest effect of Piracetam for me. Never does it make me feel speedy or out of control or weird, but always makes me feel at ease when socializing and interacting. I have never had social anxiety, but there are manifold anecdotal experiences online of incredible benefits from Nootropic use, especially -racetam family Nootropics, regarding social anxiety.

+Piracetam also potentiates any other substance taken with it. This includes alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, psilocybin, and other drugs and substances. It is thought that Piracetam increases blood flow to the brain, and throughout the brain. This is thought to be the reason for the potentiation effect of Piracetam. Piracetam is to be considered to have the same effect as an MAO Inhibitor, in this regard.


*I always mention using a stack of Piracetam and Choline, because without the Choline, I seem to get a fogginess of the mind, and sometimes a mild-to-moderate dull headache. However, if I take the Choline with the Piracetam, this negative effect does not appear whatsoever.

The only other negative, or drawback, is the short-acting timeframe of the effects. I find I must re-dose approximately 5 hours after ingestion in order to achieve the full effects.
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The bold shows where i got the impression that for 12 years you've been relying on Nootropics to enhance neurotransmitter activity...with time spans covering months of daily use...including re-dosing every 5 hours due to the waning effect of the drug.

I am NOT against Nootropics - don't mis-understand me on that. I think they're far superior to the usual medication given to folk by their doctors for brain hormone disorders.

However they still need to be used wisely - judicious use with full awareness of the neurological pathways and hormones being affected by such compounds as over-use can create a constant 'loop effect' of inbalance, and atrophy of glands that SHOULD be producing these chemicals themselves, rendering the user to have to continue using in order to feel 'normal' as the body's own production of these hormones become limited due to them being supplied from an outside source.

"brains function quicker and more effectively by using substances which have no threshold overdose level, and are relatively inexpensive."

^^THAT is completely false - drop 5g of GABA (or large dose of a GABA enhancing compound) and come back and let me know how you got on!

I wish there was the proverbial magic bullet with not bad effects whatsoever, but so far on my life-long search, i'm yet to find it.
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If you want to feel like the dude on Limitless, consider this simple nootropic stack.

-Aniracetam
-Choline Bitartrate
-Fish Oil
-Multivitamin
-Gingko Biloba
-Caffine
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Nice a Nootropics Thread!!

I've been taking Piracetam, Aniracetam and Pramiracetam for the last year now along with L-Theanine and Alpha-GPC to help with a bit of social anxiety as well as to help promote memory and thought processes.

There is plenty of information on [link to www.smartdrugsforthought.com] and even a downloadable PDF with complete in-depth information pertaining to the Racetam family.

I've been considering giving Noopept a try but haven't gotten around to it yet due to cost restrictions.
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I ordered generic Provigil from India, and I expect to receive it within the next 10-14 days.


Provigil aka Modafinil aka Adranifil is a smart drug, non-amphetamine type of stimulant. It is described as the closest pill to the fictional drug in the movie "Limitless."
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I've been taking Neuro Blast Phenylpiracetam from Smart Drugs for THought stuff is seriously potent, I believe it is the most potent racetam currently out.

I've been using it prior to working out and found that it provides a nice cognitive boost but also seems to help increase my stamina and endurance. Definitely worth checking out if you are into nootropics.
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coconut oil is said to be related to increased cog and vivid dreams


... good one (the thread) ...


what about Spiritropics ? (natural spiritual enhancers)
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I ordered some Noopept and Choline from elevated labs and stacked my own (along with a small amount of caffeine to round out the formulation). Was ok, but not as good an experience than piracetam.

I ordered some of thier elevated-focus blend, and it never arrived. They don't respond to my emails. : (

Oh well, I've been ordering off the internet for years with rarely a bad experience. I guess it was bound to happen.

Now I'm looking for a more responsive supplier.
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Piracetam
Sulbutiamine
Choline
n-acetyl-l-tyrosine
Caffeine

Just started this stack about a week ago. Gives me "clean energy" (no jitters), my mind is clearer, and I feel more inclined to talk to others.

L-Theanine at night is a nice way to relax before bed.
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I ordered generic Provigil from India, and I expect to receive it within the next 10-14 days.


Provigil aka Modafinil aka Adranifil is a smart drug, non-amphetamine type of stimulant. It is described as the closest pill to the fictional drug in the movie "Limitless."
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How is that working for ya? Was thinking of trying some.
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coconut oil is said to be related to increased cog and vivid dreams


... good one (the thread) ...


what about Spiritropics ? (natural spiritual enhancers)
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(Spiritropic)
psilocybin. You can get it for free from the mushrooms growing in the cow poop. Now is good time to get them. Have fun.

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