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Italy updates!!! A SECOND TECNOCRATIC GOV ON THE WAY???

 
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i just love it.

berlusconi just said on tv that the government is a worse mafia than the sicilian mafia.

hahahaahah.
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You will love it even more, when you have to pay a Solidarbeitrag from your monthly paycheck, to help support your euro-fellow southern states.

And, BTW, France will be next, we are driving agains the wall, and that very fast, LOL.

If you like economics ....

Eurocrisis Is Just Beginning
[link to dareconomics.wordpress.com]

and

20 Years of Austerity in Italy
[link to dareconomics.wordpress.com]
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At Least We Know Who Lost The Italian Election [link to read.bi]
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Senate:

Centre-right coalition (Berlusconi): 30.5%

Centre-left coalition (Bersani): 31.1%

Five Star Movement (Grillo): 24.4%

Centrist coalition (Monti): 9.5%
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Would Berlusconi join up with Grillo?
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IMPOSSIBLE
 Quoting: Cocorito90


and bersani+monti?
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02/25/2013 03:12 PM
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i just love it.

berlusconi just said on tv that the government is a worse mafia than the sicilian mafia.

hahahaahah.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


You will love it even more, when you have to pay a Solidarbeitrag from your monthly paycheck, to help support your euro-fellow southern states.

And, BTW, France will be next, we are driving agains the wall, and that very fast, LOL.

If you like economics ....

Eurocrisis Is Just Beginning
[link to dareconomics.wordpress.com]

and

20 Years of Austerity in Italy
[link to dareconomics.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


i dont see a problem with germany helping out eu nations or loosing wealth slowly for sake of the EU.
what im scared of is...what if we dont make it?
if it is just too much?
what if the chainreaction blows right into our faces?
can you imagine how badly germanys population will filp out if they loose their wealth from one day to another?(or simply too fast?)
they will look for someone to blame as they always did.
i think its time to have an emergency plan to get out of this eu shithole when shtf.
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02/25/2013 03:12 PM
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Would Berlusconi join up with Grillo?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20756371


IMPOSSIBLE
 Quoting: Cocorito90


and bersani+monti?
 Quoting: Luisport


highly possible, almost sure, but I don't know if such a coalition could rule....

Last Edited by Cocorito90 on 02/25/2013 03:12 PM
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02/25/2013 03:14 PM
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And ze Germans would love to go back to their beloved Deutsch Mark.tounge
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


im not saying having a leftist government is a bad thing.
im saying germany is in a scary situation.
if we'd return to nationaly currencies we'd loose our exports.
if we stay within the eurozone we will have to find a solution for all the other memberstates before they shipwreck and trigger a chain reaction.

i anyway wonder why germany is beeing held so strong during the economic crisis.

its almost like someone fears to see germany go into recession.

looking into history it's understandable.

could it be that if we were to suffer we'd go to war again?
i'd have to leave this country if so.....

scary shit....

...especially if the EU construct has any miscalculation we jaust dont see yet.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


The basic solution to all this misery is to create a european nation state.

The basic problem is that France would not give up her souvereign rights as a state (budget, law, and so on).
The other basic problem is that Germany won't accept eurobonds to not to pay the debts of other states.

Checkmate.

Exit.
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Would Berlusconi join up with Grillo?
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IMPOSSIBLE
 Quoting: Cocorito90


and bersani+monti?
 Quoting: Luisport


highly possible, almost sure, but I don't know if such a coalition could rule....
 Quoting: Cocorito90


this seams the only chance...
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i just love it.

berlusconi just said on tv that the government is a worse mafia than the sicilian mafia.

hahahaahah.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


You will love it even more, when you have to pay a Solidarbeitrag from your monthly paycheck, to help support your euro-fellow southern states.

And, BTW, France will be next, we are driving agains the wall, and that very fast, LOL.

If you like economics ....

Eurocrisis Is Just Beginning
[link to dareconomics.wordpress.com]

and

20 Years of Austerity in Italy
[link to dareconomics.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


i dont see a problem with germany helping out eu nations or loosing wealth slowly for sake of the EU.
what im scared of is...what if we dont make it?
if it is just too much?
what if the chainreaction blows right into our faces?
can you imagine how badly germanys population will filp out if they loose their wealth from one day to another?(or simply too fast?)
they will look for someone to blame as they always did.
i think its time to have an emergency plan to get out of this eu shithole when shtf.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848

Germany should understand that Euro is a fake thing....and when france will go bankrupt, reality will be so bad.....

you leaders have told you that PIIGS are the problem and now they can't say that Euro is the problem.......

Last Edited by Cocorito90 on 02/25/2013 03:15 PM
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02/25/2013 03:16 PM
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im not saying having a leftist government is a bad thing.
im saying germany is in a scary situation.
if we'd return to nationaly currencies we'd loose our exports.
if we stay within the eurozone we will have to find a solution for all the other memberstates before they shipwreck and trigger a chain reaction.

i anyway wonder why germany is beeing held so strong during the economic crisis.

its almost like someone fears to see germany go into recession.

looking into history it's understandable.

could it be that if we were to suffer we'd go to war again?
i'd have to leave this country if so.....

scary shit....

...especially if the EU construct has any miscalculation we jaust dont see yet.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


If Berlusconi is somehow the "21st Century Mussolini", what's the probability of Peer Steinbrück being the "21st Century Hitler"?

And I'm not saying these two will drag Europe to a new war. In all seriousness, Germany and Italy will dissolve the EU.
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02/25/2013 03:18 PM
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If Berlusconi wins we'll often go to live feeds from Rome (riots and mass demo's)
 Quoting: Aristide Torchia


why you say it? There are many people in italy that like him...
 Quoting: Luisport


Others are very angry.
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And ze Germans would love to go back to their beloved Deutsch Mark.tounge
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


im not saying having a leftist government is a bad thing.
im saying germany is in a scary situation.
if we'd return to nationaly currencies we'd loose our exports.
if we stay within the eurozone we will have to find a solution for all the other memberstates before they shipwreck and trigger a chain reaction.

i anyway wonder why germany is beeing held so strong during the economic crisis.

its almost like someone fears to see germany go into recession.

looking into history it's understandable.

could it be that if we were to suffer we'd go to war again?
i'd have to leave this country if so.....

scary shit....

...especially if the EU construct has any miscalculation we jaust dont see yet.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


The basic solution to all this misery is to create a european nation state.

The basic problem is that France would not give up her souvereign rights as a state (budget, law, and so on).
The other basic problem is that Germany won't accept eurobonds to not to pay the debts of other states.

Checkmate.

Exit.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


im also not a friend of the eurobonds.
its better to get money from aaa rating and use it inside the eu with bilateral soultions.

eurobonds would put a rating for entire europe a1 mabe.
so aquiring money on the international market would become more expensive in general.

what the eu central bank did with the esf was the right thing!
central bank can now give money to eu memberstates at 0% interest rate.
none of the international moneygivers can compete with that.
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02/25/2013 03:21 PM
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And ze Germans would love to go back to their beloved Deutsch Mark.tounge
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


im not saying having a leftist government is a bad thing.
im saying germany is in a scary situation.
if we'd return to nationaly currencies we'd loose our exports.
if we stay within the eurozone we will have to find a solution for all the other memberstates before they shipwreck and trigger a chain reaction.

i anyway wonder why germany is beeing held so strong during the economic crisis.

its almost like someone fears to see germany go into recession.

looking into history it's understandable.

could it be that if we were to suffer we'd go to war again?
i'd have to leave this country if so.....

scary shit....

...especially if the EU construct has any miscalculation we jaust dont see yet.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


The basic solution to all this misery is to create a european nation state.

The basic problem is that France would not give up her souvereign rights as a state (budget, law, and so on).
The other basic problem is that Germany won't accept eurobonds to not to pay the debts of other states.

Checkmate.

Exit.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


im also not a friend of the eurobonds.
its better to get money from aaa rating and use it inside the eu with bilateral soultions.

eurobonds would put a rating for entire europe a1 mabe.
so aquiring money on the international market would become more expensive in general.

what the eu central bank did with the esf was the right thing!
central bank can now give money to eu memberstates at 0% interest rate.
none of the international moneygivers can compete with that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


for example...britain...

even if their rating drops the eu central bank could give em money for no interest rate saving em from the sharks on the international market.
sadly britain is still not a member of the euro zone.
we need a eu nation to protect ourselfes....that has to be understood.
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02/25/2013 03:21 PM
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If Berlusconi wins we'll often go to live feeds from Rome (riots and mass demo's)
 Quoting: Aristide Torchia


That's for sure!!!!

bump
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Why is this unpinned? 5a
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hf
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Why is this unpinned? 5a
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hf
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Pinned. hf
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im not saying having a leftist government is a bad thing.
im saying germany is in a scary situation.
if we'd return to nationaly currencies we'd loose our exports.
if we stay within the eurozone we will have to find a solution for all the other memberstates before they shipwreck and trigger a chain reaction.

i anyway wonder why germany is beeing held so strong during the economic crisis.

its almost like someone fears to see germany go into recession.

looking into history it's understandable.

could it be that if we were to suffer we'd go to war again?
i'd have to leave this country if so.....

scary shit....

...especially if the EU construct has any miscalculation we jaust dont see yet.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


If Berlusconi is somehow the "21st Century Mussolini", what's the probability of Peer Steinbrück being the "21st Century Hitler"?

And I'm not saying these two will drag Europe to a new war. In all seriousness, Germany and Italy will dissolve the EU.
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


that scares me even more....
we already had that 80 years ago.
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Monti speaks in a few
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Current projections suggest that against all predictions Silvio Berlusconi’s rightwing coalition will dominate the Italian Senate – but Pier Luigi Bersani’s leftwing grouping will end up the biggest in the Chamber of Deputies. The result for Italy seems likely to be gridlock – and perhaps further elections within months. It is thought impossible that Berlusconi and Bersani might team up in a grand coalition.
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zerohedge‏@zerohedge

Monti speaks in a few
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any english or german live stream?
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BERLUSCONI 110-130 SENATE SEATS, BERSANI 95-115: IPR PROJECTS
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Berlusconi has the most seats according to Zero Hedge.
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BERLUSCONI 110-130 SENATE SEATS, BERSANI 95-115: IPR PROJECTS
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if italy becomes ungovernable today that is likely to bring doom onto italy.

what a mess.
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for example...britain...

even if their rating drops the eu central bank could give em money for no interest rate saving em from the sharks on the international market.
sadly britain is still not a member of the euro zone.
we need a eu nation to protect ourselfes....that has to be understood.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


Thats true, in our times of currency wars and international debt crisis, if one country would stand alone, it probably would be worse.
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that scares me even more....
we already had that 80 years ago.
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Yes, but the current economic situation in Germany with the so-called Hartz IV "labor reform" (aka labor slavery) will ultimately lead to protectionism and return to an "economic miracle", otherwise several million Germans will revolt.

The Euro, although stable, is not suitable for every country.
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if italy becomes ungovernable today that is likely to bring doom onto italy.

what a mess.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


LOL, a little crisis meeting, perfectly during all night, and next day Draghi uttering these little magic words "... all it takes", and then back to business as usual.

LOL, sarkasm off.
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^^ now grillo and berlusconi have blocking majority at the senate.

both dont like europe!

personal opinion:

italy is comming close to riots......
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