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Italy updates!!! A SECOND TECNOCRATIC GOV ON THE WAY???

 
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for example...britain...

even if their rating drops the eu central bank could give em money for no interest rate saving em from the sharks on the international market.
sadly britain is still not a member of the euro zone.
we need a eu nation to protect ourselfes....that has to be understood.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


I would prefer a total collapse now than an EU nation, no offense but that's just nuts, point is that even if we go united states of Europe we'll just kick the can for a little longer because the collapse of the current financial system and cycle is inevitable, going EU nation is just giving up our sovereign rights to Brussels for nothing.
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02/25/2013 03:39 PM

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for example...britain...

even if their rating drops the eu central bank could give em money for no interest rate saving em from the sharks on the international market.
sadly britain is still not a member of the euro zone.
we need a eu nation to protect ourselfes....that has to be understood.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


I would prefer a total collapse now than an EU nation, no offense but that's just nuts, point is that even if we go united states of Europe we'll just kick the can for a little longer because the collapse of the current financial system and cycle is inevitable, going EU nation is just giving up our sovereign rights to Brussels for nothing.
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An EU nation??? NO WAY!!!resist
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02/25/2013 03:39 PM
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that scares me even more....
we already had that 80 years ago.
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Yes, but the current economic situation in Germany with the so-called Hartz IV "labor reform" (aka labor slavery) will ultimately lead to protectionism and return to an "economic miracle", otherwise several million Germans will revolt.

The Euro, although stable, is not suitable for every country.
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


seriously....

if germany decided to use protectionism.....

the rest of europe would see an EPIC FAIL!

did you know germany owns ALL(and i really mean ALL)
mayor industries?

military, steel, cars, construction, pharmacy, chemical...
we got more licences than any other nation in the world.

using protective measueres would mean we'd only cooperate with nations complying to OUR rules...WORLDWIDE!

i do not want to see such a move.....
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02/25/2013 03:40 PM
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that scares me even more....
we already had that 80 years ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


Yes, but the current economic situation in Germany with the so-called Hartz IV "labor reform" (aka labor slavery) will ultimately lead to protectionism and return to an "economic miracle", otherwise several million Germans will revolt.

The Euro, although stable, is not suitable for every country.
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


True, we would need two euros, managed by the ECB, one south euro and one north euro.

Then the south euro would devalue, and a certain level of inflation would melt away the debt.

At the same time we would need more integration, along a time frame lets say, one generation.

Then we could perhaps marry south euro with north euro.
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02/25/2013 03:42 PM

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02/25/2013 03:43 PM
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for example...britain...

even if their rating drops the eu central bank could give em money for no interest rate saving em from the sharks on the international market.
sadly britain is still not a member of the euro zone.
we need a eu nation to protect ourselfes....that has to be understood.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


I would prefer a total collapse now than an EU nation, no offense but that's just nuts, point is that even if we go united states of Europe we'll just kick the can for a little longer because the collapse of the current financial system and cycle is inevitable, going EU nation is just giving up our sovereign rights to Brussels for nothing.
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


THIS
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for example...britain...

even if their rating drops the eu central bank could give em money for no interest rate saving em from the sharks on the international market.
sadly britain is still not a member of the euro zone.
we need a eu nation to protect ourselfes....that has to be understood.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


I would prefer a total collapse now than an EU nation, no offense but that's just nuts, point is that even if we go united states of Europe we'll just kick the can for a little longer because the collapse of the current financial system and cycle is inevitable, going EU nation is just giving up our sovereign rights to Brussels for nothing.
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


An EU nation??? NO WAY!!!resist
 Quoting: Luisport


i think you are wrong but we will see what is to come within the next months.
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that scares me even more....
we already had that 80 years ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


Yes, but the current economic situation in Germany with the so-called Hartz IV "labor reform" (aka labor slavery) will ultimately lead to protectionism and return to an "economic miracle", otherwise several million Germans will revolt.

The Euro, although stable, is not suitable for every country.
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


True, we would need two euros, managed by the ECB, one south euro and one north euro.

Then the south euro would devalue, and a certain level of inflation would melt away the debt.

At the same time we would need more integration, along a time frame lets say, one generation.

Then we could perhaps marry south euro with north euro.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


that would be the start of the end of the EU.
same problem. southern euro would eat away exports.....
we can not do that.
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02/25/2013 03:46 PM
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that scares me even more....
we already had that 80 years ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


Yes, but the current economic situation in Germany with the so-called Hartz IV "labor reform" (aka labor slavery) will ultimately lead to protectionism and return to an "economic miracle", otherwise several million Germans will revolt.

The Euro, although stable, is not suitable for every country.
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


True, we would need two euros, managed by the ECB, one south euro and one north euro.

Then the south euro would devalue, and a certain level of inflation would melt away the debt.

At the same time we would need more integration, along a time frame lets say, one generation.

Then we could perhaps marry south euro with north euro.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


The other possibility is a break up.
There is no middle way.

Meddling through will bring more problems than benefit and one time maybe not only germans are going to get out the gun .... .
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02/25/2013 03:48 PM
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Meddling through will bring more problems than benefit and one time maybe not only germans are going to get out the gun .... .
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and i am pretty sure the germans wouldn't make it to Paris this time ..... .
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that scares me even more....
we already had that 80 years ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


Yes, but the current economic situation in Germany with the so-called Hartz IV "labor reform" (aka labor slavery) will ultimately lead to protectionism and return to an "economic miracle", otherwise several million Germans will revolt.

The Euro, although stable, is not suitable for every country.
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


True, we would need two euros, managed by the ECB, one south euro and one north euro.

Then the south euro would devalue, and a certain level of inflation would melt away the debt.

At the same time we would need more integration, along a time frame lets say, one generation.

Then we could perhaps marry south euro with north euro.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


The other possibility is a break up.
There is no middle way.

Meddling through will bring more problems than benefit and one time maybe not only germans are going to get out the gun .... .
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


germany posesses more gold than the combined restof the eu.
there is a reason why state owned gold is also called "WARCHEST".
there also is a reason why germany brings this gold home.....
they know what is to come.
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seriously....

if germany decided to use protectionism.....

the rest of europe would see an EPIC FAIL!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


It will start an economic war, for sure.

Plus, no need to take a wild guess of why Germany demanded repatriation of ALL her gold reserves that are stored outside Germany.

True, we would need two euros, managed by the ECB, one south euro and one north euro.

Then the south euro would devalue, and a certain level of inflation would melt away the debt.

At the same time we would need more integration, along a time frame lets say, one generation.

Then we could perhaps marry south euro with north euro.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


Would never happen. 'Cos then as stated the "Southern Euro" would be more competitive for the Southern countries and there'll be rivalry with the Northern ones.
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02/25/2013 03:52 PM
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Just talking now but we are ready. :)
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02/25/2013 03:55 PM
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GRILLO just said that NO WAY they will make pact/deals with either of the two left/right parties......

The "elderly" will HAVE to leave and accept that from now on matters will have to be DISCUSSED and NO MORE "inciuccio"

Left/right better get to terms with a "new way of politics".....

THIS is how the PEOPLE voted and this HAS TO be accepted and respected by the parties......
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02/25/2013 04:02 PM
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GRILLO just said that NO WAY they will make pact/deals with either of the two left/right parties......

The "elderly" will HAVE to leave and accept that from now on matters will have to be DISCUSSED and NO MORE "inciuccio"

Left/right better get to terms with a "new way of politics".....

THIS is how the PEOPLE voted and this HAS TO be accepted and respected by the parties......
 Quoting: pray_Italy 35158131


as I said...
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02/25/2013 04:03 PM
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grillo will be the next president of occupy italy.....
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-217!!! abomb
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-217!!! abomb
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Wrong thread chuckle
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germany posesses more gold than the combined restof the eu.
there is a reason why state owned gold is also called "WARCHEST".
there also is a reason why germany brings this gold home.....
they know what is to come.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


Truth is, that in july 2012, Herr Schaeuble had a little visit, from his "friend" the US finance minister Geitner, on his little island called Ruegen.

One week after, Merkel went back from her crisis meeting empty handed, pushed through the n+1 greece rescue package and Draghi uttered his magic words.

One thing is for sure, in this poker, Germany has the most to loose:

1) going back to DMark would mean the Bundesbank would need to go on overdrive to bring down its value (similar to the swiss today).

2) Exports would break in with all the negative consequences for the german economy and the budget

3) Germany would be politically marginalized.

France would probably lend money, inflate at 10 % and wait a decade. We do not have our money in assurances, here people invest in bricks, stones and walls.
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what do you think?

will grillo catch even more seats if reelection takes place?
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what do you think?

will grillo catch even more seats if reelection takes place?
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wow THAT WOULD BE AWSOME!!!!
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02/25/2013 04:06 PM

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-217!!! abomb
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Wrong thread chuckle
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naaa this is the result
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it seems the only solution is PD+PDL

just like democrats + republicans

cruise
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GRILLO just said that NO WAY they will make pact/deals with either of the two left/right parties......

The "elderly" will HAVE to leave and accept that from now on matters will have to be DISCUSSED and NO MORE "inciuccio"

Left/right better get to terms with a "new way of politics".....

THIS is how the PEOPLE voted and this HAS TO be accepted and respected by the parties......
 Quoting: pray_Italy 35158131


popcorn
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It looks set to me.

Would a re-election make any difference?
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I wonder my French friend, what will happen to the European Central Banks's liabilites BuBa guarantees...

lmao
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what do you think?

will grillo catch even more seats if reelection takes place?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


of course...
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The only way re-election works is if the lower ones drop out like the French elections.
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germany posesses more gold than the combined restof the eu.
there is a reason why state owned gold is also called "WARCHEST".
there also is a reason why germany brings this gold home.....
they know what is to come.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


Truth is, that in july 2012, Herr Schaeuble had a little visit, from his "friend" the US finance minister Geitner, on his little island called Ruegen.

One week after, Merkel went back from her crisis meeting empty handed, pushed through the n+1 greece rescue package and Draghi uttered his magic words.

One thing is for sure, in this poker, Germany has the most to loose:

1) going back to DMark would mean the Bundesbank would need to go on overdrive to bring down its value (similar to the swiss today).

2) Exports would break in with all the negative consequences for the german economy and the budget

3) Germany would be politically marginalized.

France would probably lend money, inflate at 10 % and wait a decade. We do not have our money in assurances, here people invest in bricks, stones and walls.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


im not so sure.

lets assume germany going protective...and...for example forgets the european market...instead do bilateral trade with china and russia...and the muslim world....dont forget WE OWN INDUSTRY.....we could if we wanted....
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"COUNTRY MAY BE 'UNGOVERNABLE'!" lol what a load of shit to scare people, belgium had a politic crisis years ago with no governement for months and what happened ? : nothing.


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