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Italy updates!!! A SECOND TECNOCRATIC GOV ON THE WAY???

 
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Current projections suggest that against all predictions Silvio Berlusconi’s rightwing coalition will dominate the Italian Senate – but Pier Luigi Bersani’s leftwing grouping will end up the biggest in the Chamber of Deputies. The result for Italy seems likely to be gridlock – and perhaps further elections within months. It is thought impossible that Berlusconi and Bersani might team up in a grand coalition.
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Monti speaks in a few
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any english or german live stream?
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BERLUSCONI 110-130 SENATE SEATS, BERSANI 95-115: IPR PROJECTS
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Berlusconi has the most seats according to Zero Hedge.
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BERLUSCONI 110-130 SENATE SEATS, BERSANI 95-115: IPR PROJECTS
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if italy becomes ungovernable today that is likely to bring doom onto italy.

what a mess.
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02/25/2013 03:31 PM
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for example...britain...

even if their rating drops the eu central bank could give em money for no interest rate saving em from the sharks on the international market.
sadly britain is still not a member of the euro zone.
we need a eu nation to protect ourselfes....that has to be understood.
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Thats true, in our times of currency wars and international debt crisis, if one country would stand alone, it probably would be worse.
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02/25/2013 03:32 PM
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that scares me even more....
we already had that 80 years ago.
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Yes, but the current economic situation in Germany with the so-called Hartz IV "labor reform" (aka labor slavery) will ultimately lead to protectionism and return to an "economic miracle", otherwise several million Germans will revolt.

The Euro, although stable, is not suitable for every country.
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if italy becomes ungovernable today that is likely to bring doom onto italy.

what a mess.
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LOL, a little crisis meeting, perfectly during all night, and next day Draghi uttering these little magic words "... all it takes", and then back to business as usual.

LOL, sarkasm off.
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02/25/2013 03:36 PM
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^^ now grillo and berlusconi have blocking majority at the senate.

both dont like europe!

personal opinion:

italy is comming close to riots......
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02/25/2013 03:36 PM
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whatever
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for example...britain...

even if their rating drops the eu central bank could give em money for no interest rate saving em from the sharks on the international market.
sadly britain is still not a member of the euro zone.
we need a eu nation to protect ourselfes....that has to be understood.
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I would prefer a total collapse now than an EU nation, no offense but that's just nuts, point is that even if we go united states of Europe we'll just kick the can for a little longer because the collapse of the current financial system and cycle is inevitable, going EU nation is just giving up our sovereign rights to Brussels for nothing.
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for example...britain...

even if their rating drops the eu central bank could give em money for no interest rate saving em from the sharks on the international market.
sadly britain is still not a member of the euro zone.
we need a eu nation to protect ourselfes....that has to be understood.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


I would prefer a total collapse now than an EU nation, no offense but that's just nuts, point is that even if we go united states of Europe we'll just kick the can for a little longer because the collapse of the current financial system and cycle is inevitable, going EU nation is just giving up our sovereign rights to Brussels for nothing.
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An EU nation??? NO WAY!!!resist
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that scares me even more....
we already had that 80 years ago.
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Yes, but the current economic situation in Germany with the so-called Hartz IV "labor reform" (aka labor slavery) will ultimately lead to protectionism and return to an "economic miracle", otherwise several million Germans will revolt.

The Euro, although stable, is not suitable for every country.
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


seriously....

if germany decided to use protectionism.....

the rest of europe would see an EPIC FAIL!

did you know germany owns ALL(and i really mean ALL)
mayor industries?

military, steel, cars, construction, pharmacy, chemical...
we got more licences than any other nation in the world.

using protective measueres would mean we'd only cooperate with nations complying to OUR rules...WORLDWIDE!

i do not want to see such a move.....
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that scares me even more....
we already had that 80 years ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


Yes, but the current economic situation in Germany with the so-called Hartz IV "labor reform" (aka labor slavery) will ultimately lead to protectionism and return to an "economic miracle", otherwise several million Germans will revolt.

The Euro, although stable, is not suitable for every country.
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


True, we would need two euros, managed by the ECB, one south euro and one north euro.

Then the south euro would devalue, and a certain level of inflation would melt away the debt.

At the same time we would need more integration, along a time frame lets say, one generation.

Then we could perhaps marry south euro with north euro.
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02/25/2013 03:42 PM

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LIVE: MARKETS TANKING, ITALY FACES NIGHTMARE SPLIT VOTE AFTER BERLUSCONI AND BEPPE SURGE [link to read.bi]
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for example...britain...

even if their rating drops the eu central bank could give em money for no interest rate saving em from the sharks on the international market.
sadly britain is still not a member of the euro zone.
we need a eu nation to protect ourselfes....that has to be understood.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


I would prefer a total collapse now than an EU nation, no offense but that's just nuts, point is that even if we go united states of Europe we'll just kick the can for a little longer because the collapse of the current financial system and cycle is inevitable, going EU nation is just giving up our sovereign rights to Brussels for nothing.
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


THIS
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for example...britain...

even if their rating drops the eu central bank could give em money for no interest rate saving em from the sharks on the international market.
sadly britain is still not a member of the euro zone.
we need a eu nation to protect ourselfes....that has to be understood.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


I would prefer a total collapse now than an EU nation, no offense but that's just nuts, point is that even if we go united states of Europe we'll just kick the can for a little longer because the collapse of the current financial system and cycle is inevitable, going EU nation is just giving up our sovereign rights to Brussels for nothing.
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An EU nation??? NO WAY!!!resist
 Quoting: Luisport


i think you are wrong but we will see what is to come within the next months.
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Grillo: "Italian parties are finished"


55 seg zerohedge‏@zerohedge

Grillo live webcast via RAI [link to www.zerohedge.com] …
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Grillo live webcast ...

[link to www.zerohedge.com]
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that scares me even more....
we already had that 80 years ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


Yes, but the current economic situation in Germany with the so-called Hartz IV "labor reform" (aka labor slavery) will ultimately lead to protectionism and return to an "economic miracle", otherwise several million Germans will revolt.

The Euro, although stable, is not suitable for every country.
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


True, we would need two euros, managed by the ECB, one south euro and one north euro.

Then the south euro would devalue, and a certain level of inflation would melt away the debt.

At the same time we would need more integration, along a time frame lets say, one generation.

Then we could perhaps marry south euro with north euro.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


that would be the start of the end of the EU.
same problem. southern euro would eat away exports.....
we can not do that.
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02/25/2013 03:46 PM
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that scares me even more....
we already had that 80 years ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


Yes, but the current economic situation in Germany with the so-called Hartz IV "labor reform" (aka labor slavery) will ultimately lead to protectionism and return to an "economic miracle", otherwise several million Germans will revolt.

The Euro, although stable, is not suitable for every country.
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


True, we would need two euros, managed by the ECB, one south euro and one north euro.

Then the south euro would devalue, and a certain level of inflation would melt away the debt.

At the same time we would need more integration, along a time frame lets say, one generation.

Then we could perhaps marry south euro with north euro.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


The other possibility is a break up.
There is no middle way.

Meddling through will bring more problems than benefit and one time maybe not only germans are going to get out the gun .... .
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02/25/2013 03:48 PM
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Meddling through will bring more problems than benefit and one time maybe not only germans are going to get out the gun .... .
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and i am pretty sure the germans wouldn't make it to Paris this time ..... .
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that scares me even more....
we already had that 80 years ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


Yes, but the current economic situation in Germany with the so-called Hartz IV "labor reform" (aka labor slavery) will ultimately lead to protectionism and return to an "economic miracle", otherwise several million Germans will revolt.

The Euro, although stable, is not suitable for every country.
 Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030


True, we would need two euros, managed by the ECB, one south euro and one north euro.

Then the south euro would devalue, and a certain level of inflation would melt away the debt.

At the same time we would need more integration, along a time frame lets say, one generation.

Then we could perhaps marry south euro with north euro.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


The other possibility is a break up.
There is no middle way.

Meddling through will bring more problems than benefit and one time maybe not only germans are going to get out the gun .... .
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


germany posesses more gold than the combined restof the eu.
there is a reason why state owned gold is also called "WARCHEST".
there also is a reason why germany brings this gold home.....
they know what is to come.
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seriously....

if germany decided to use protectionism.....

the rest of europe would see an EPIC FAIL!
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It will start an economic war, for sure.

Plus, no need to take a wild guess of why Germany demanded repatriation of ALL her gold reserves that are stored outside Germany.

True, we would need two euros, managed by the ECB, one south euro and one north euro.

Then the south euro would devalue, and a certain level of inflation would melt away the debt.

At the same time we would need more integration, along a time frame lets say, one generation.

Then we could perhaps marry south euro with north euro.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


Would never happen. 'Cos then as stated the "Southern Euro" would be more competitive for the Southern countries and there'll be rivalry with the Northern ones.
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Grillo: "Italian parties are finished"


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Grillo live webcast via RAI [link to www.zerohedge.com] …
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Lets go bunga bunga :-)

5a
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Just talking now but we are ready. :)
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GRILLO just said that NO WAY they will make pact/deals with either of the two left/right parties......

The "elderly" will HAVE to leave and accept that from now on matters will have to be DISCUSSED and NO MORE "inciuccio"

Left/right better get to terms with a "new way of politics".....

THIS is how the PEOPLE voted and this HAS TO be accepted and respected by the parties......
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GRILLO just said that NO WAY they will make pact/deals with either of the two left/right parties......

The "elderly" will HAVE to leave and accept that from now on matters will have to be DISCUSSED and NO MORE "inciuccio"

Left/right better get to terms with a "new way of politics".....

THIS is how the PEOPLE voted and this HAS TO be accepted and respected by the parties......
 Quoting: pray_Italy 35158131


as I said...
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grillo will be the next president of occupy italy.....