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Italy updates!!! A SECOND TECNOCRATIC GOV ON THE WAY???

 
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The One Thing That Could Destroy The Eurozone... [link to read.bi]
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02/25/2013 05:12 PM
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Italy has lots of debts, thats true, but it is mostly held by italiens.
Italy has had a surplus the last years, meaning a functioning economy.
Italy can handle its debts. They proved it the last 20 years.

What happens today is, that countries are attacked by the "markets", but their ultimate aim is the EURO.

At the same time, in countries like France or Germany, money is invested and safe, due to the QEn+1 liquidity bubble.

France is far worse off than Italy. All that, makes only sense, if you accept one fact:

We are being played by international investors, aka wall street and the city. We are the ball, that is being played in a big international financial ball game.
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U forgot private savings...the very reason they targeted Italy...we dont own guns, but have indeed lots of savings-gold...

They succeeded...

Whats odd to me, is to receive help-support-empathy from my gaul cousins...
SHTF very soon,as this happened only in bad times...
ROFL

hf
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02/25/2013 05:13 PM
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i wouldnt rely on wikipedia in this.....


lala

Then swallow the lies ur elites throw down ur throat


but i see it every day.
you dont even have to work over here......
govt. pays for EVERYTHING regarding BASIC NEEDS!
at a time where all others around us suffer like hell.

germany is everything but poor.
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02/25/2013 05:16 PM
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AFAIK in Italy you also have "gold-for-cash" shops that open everyday in order to get your gold, melt it, and then export it to...Switzerland or Turkey.

Same phenomenon here in Greece for the last 3 years. The "cash-for-gold" shops we had prior to the "crisis" were exclusive and rare to find.
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02/25/2013 05:18 PM
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any riots in rome yet?
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02/25/2013 05:19 PM
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others will produce the food not even knowing it will end up in germany.
not a problem.

what is really interesting is that there are a lot which dont like germany....

here is what i hav to say....

success produces jealousy and that is an honor!
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Well certain MSM drivel from both north and south didn't help with the already sensitive European relations imho, and that's a key reason why the EU nation that you think is a good idea and could potentially happen soon, won't happen for now, Europe is not US, it's Babel, it is too soon for something like that, people will revolt when they won't have the basic necessities and i can reassure you that they won't give a damn about neighboring and other EU countries.

One thing i've noticed from Germans though is that you guys certainly aren't prepared at least mentally for what is coming, most of you think that US and European countries will collapse and everything would go on just great for you and export things to China and Arab countries instead, which is obviously just a theory and nothing more than that, because if you could you would have done this already, no company in the world would say lets not sell more, your bread and butter is EU exports paid in a hard currency like the euro for now end of story, you'll be in massive trouble too, but i blame more the German MSM for giving you a fake impression of how bad really the things are in the rest of EU, at least half of the Germans believe that the situation is still manageable and recovery could soon take place, won't happen, we'll all go down Germany included, actually is a race to the bottom already.
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While irrelevant, Piedmont difference is just 6,000 votes right now [link to tg24.sky.it]
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02/25/2013 05:22 PM

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Grillo now leading Bersani 25.53/25.51 in Lower House #elezioni2013
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Grillo now leading Bersani 25.53/25.51 in Lower House #elezioni2013

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cruise
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others will produce the food not even knowing it will end up in germany.
not a problem.

what is really interesting is that there are a lot which dont like germany....

here is what i hav to say....

success produces jealousy and that is an honor!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


Well certain MSM drivel from both north and south didn't help with the already sensitive European relations imho, and that's a key reason why the EU nation that you think is a good idea and could potentially happen soon, won't happen for now, Europe is not US, it's Babel, it is too soon for something like that, people will revolt when they won't have the basic necessities and i can reassure you that they won't give a damn about neighboring and other EU countries.

One thing i've noticed from Germans though is that you guys certainly aren't prepared at least mentally for what is coming, most of you think that US and European countries will collapse and everything would go on just great for you and export things to China and Arab countries instead, which is obviously just a theory and nothing more than that, because if you could you would have done this already, no company in the world would say lets not sell more, your bread and butter is EU exports paid in a hard currency like the euro for now end of story, you'll be in massive trouble too, but i blame more the German MSM for giving you a fake impression of how bad really the things are in the rest of EU, at least half of the Germans believe that the situation is still manageable and recovery could soon take place, won't happen, we'll all go down Germany included, actually is a race to the bottom already.
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Unfortunately, for most, they have always been and will always be cannon fodder
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02/25/2013 05:35 PM
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Gregor Peter‏@L0gg0l

Grillo now leading Bersani 25.53/25.51 in Lower House #elezioni2013

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
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Man, Grillo will now fill Olimpico if he ever makes a stand-up comedy. rofl
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Man, Grillo will now fill Olimpico if he ever makes a stand-up comedy. rofl
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rockon
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Would Berlusconi join up with Grillo?
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IMPOSSIBLE
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and bersani+monti?
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Even before tough coalition negotiations begin, the brainless markets (the filthy rich and their mouth pieces) say so,,,

so it must be true.
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Don't underestimate the power of comedians. The significance of the Tarot card "The Fool" comes to mind....

[link to www.biddytarot.com]
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others will produce the food not even knowing it will end up in germany.
not a problem.

what is really interesting is that there are a lot which dont like germany....

here is what i hav to say....

success produces jealousy and that is an honor!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848


Well certain MSM drivel from both north and south didn't help with the already sensitive European relations imho, and that's a key reason why the EU nation that you think is a good idea and could potentially happen soon, won't happen for now, Europe is not US, it's Babel, it is too soon for something like that, people will revolt when they won't have the basic necessities and i can reassure you that they won't give a damn about neighboring and other EU countries.

One thing i've noticed from Germans though is that you guys certainly aren't prepared at least mentally for what is coming, most of you think that US and European countries will collapse and everything would go on just great for you and export things to China and Arab countries instead, which is obviously just a theory and nothing more than that, because if you could you would have done this already, no company in the world would say lets not sell more, your bread and butter is EU exports paid in a hard currency like the euro for now end of story, you'll be in massive trouble too, but i blame more the German MSM for giving you a fake impression of how bad really the things are in the rest of EU, at least half of the Germans believe that the situation is still manageable and recovery could soon take place, won't happen, we'll all go down Germany included, actually is a race to the bottom already.
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Unfortunately, for most, they have always been and will always be cannon fodder
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35074534


As i said i blame the MSM, they always tell'em half the truth, they are in for a rude awakening when shtf coz they're totally unprepared, planet hasn't seen something like that yet, it's the first time in human history that global debt to gpd ratio is 340%, that's twice of Great Depression levels, it's a debt bubble of unimaginable proportions and completely unknown territory, whole world will go down with it without a single exception, it's naive to think that you'll be ok in such a shitstorm because you have factories or that the situation is still somehow manageable, it's not, we're just kicking the can with 0% central bank interest rates and nothing more.
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Grillo is anti-establishment. If he comes out stronger than Bersani and Berlusconi he'll be content enough that he's done that well.

Unlesd he wants to start a revolution in Italy (and broader Europe). The man is a populist and a firebrand. He has the means to do it if he wants to.

Might not be a bad idea in light of how bad things are over there..
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Grillo is anti-establishment. If he comes out stronger than Bersani and Berlusconi he'll be content enough that he's done that well.

Unlesd he wants to start a revolution in Italy (and broader Europe). The man is a populist and a firebrand. He has the means to do it if he wants to.

Might not be a bad idea in light of how bad things are over there..
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afro
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grill - o

mr. barbecue!
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grill - o

mr. barbecue!
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Boy, oh boy! Merkel & Schaeuble grilled like a Frankfurter Würstchen by Grillo.toungetoungetounge
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grill - o

mr. barbecue!
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Boy, oh boy! Merkel & Schaeuble grilled like a Frankfurter Würstchen by Grillo.toungetoungetounge
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they will shoot him if he bores too much....
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any results?
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[link to tg24.sky.it]
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Regardless of who wins next weekend's parliamentary election, Italy's long economic decline is likely to continue because the next government won't be strong enough to pursue the tough reforms needed to make its economy competitive again.

Bankers, diplomats and industrialists in Rome and Milan despair at how Italians are shifting allegiances ahead of the February 24-25 vote to favor anti-establishment upstarts and show disgust with the established parties.

That makes it more likely that no bloc will have the political strength to tackle Italy's deep-rooted economic crisis, which has made it Europe's most sluggish large economy for the past two decades.

Final opinion polls predict that the vote will deliver a working majority in both houses for a centre-left coalition governing in alliance with technocrat former prime minister Mario Monti. Political risk consultancy Eurasia assigns this scenario a 50-60 percent probability.

But Italy's election for both chambers of parliament has the potential to tip the euro zone back into instability if the outcome does not produce that result.

The colorful cast of candidates includes disgraced media tycoon Silvio Berlusconi, one of the world's richest men, the bespectacled academic Monti, anti-establishment comedian Beppe Grillo who campaigns from a camper van, and Nichi Vendola, a former communist poet who is the governor of Puglia.

Investors have so far taken a relaxed view, relying on polls produced until the legal deadline for surveys of Feb 10.

One of the best indicators that they are not worried: Italian benchmark 10-year bond yields, which topped six percent during the country's worst political moments in 2011, are now trading around 4.4 percent, almost a full percentage point lower than those of Spain.

Italian stocks have performed broadly in line with the wider European market since January, despite the election and a wave of scandals which has engulfed several leading Italian groups.

But observers in Italy are increasingly nervous that the rosy election scenario favored by investors may not work out.

A jaded electorate, angry about political corruption, economic mismanagement and a national crisis that has impoverished a once-wealthy member of the G7 club of rich nations, could produce a surprise.

Pier Luigi Bersani, the standard-bearer for the centre-left, is a worthy but lackluster former minister whose party has been linked to a banking scandal in the mediaeval Tuscan town of Siena. Support for his party now seems to be fading.

Opponents have latched on to the fact that the ailing bank, Monte dei Paschi, was run by a foundation dominated by political appointees from the centre-left and accused Bersani's party of presiding over a debacle that will cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of euros.
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Great first Greece, than Italy, next Spain and the doom in the EU goes on.

And then Germany will be f***ed.

LOL
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02/25/2013 06:26 PM
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Grillo is the real revolution, and the German are so boring morons.
The German morons believe everything what the German gobberment tells.
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Regardless of who wins next weekend's parliamentary election, Italy's long economic decline is likely to continue because the next government won't be strong enough to pursue the tough reforms needed to make its economy competitive again.

Bankers, diplomats and industrialists in Rome and Milan despair at how Italians are shifting allegiances ahead of the February 24-25 vote to favor anti-establishment upstarts and show disgust with the established parties.

That makes it more likely that no bloc will have the political strength to tackle Italy's deep-rooted economic crisis, which has made it Europe's most sluggish large economy for the past two decades.

Final opinion polls predict that the vote will deliver a working majority in both houses for a centre-left coalition governing in alliance with technocrat former prime minister Mario Monti. Political risk consultancy Eurasia assigns this scenario a 50-60 percent probability.

But Italy's election for both chambers of parliament has the potential to tip the euro zone back into instability if the outcome does not produce that result.

The colorful cast of candidates includes disgraced media tycoon Silvio Berlusconi, one of the world's richest men, the bespectacled academic Monti, anti-establishment comedian Beppe Grillo who campaigns from a camper van, and Nichi Vendola, a former communist poet who is the governor of Puglia.

Investors have so far taken a relaxed view, relying on polls produced until the legal deadline for surveys of Feb 10.

One of the best indicators that they are not worried: Italian benchmark 10-year bond yields, which topped six percent during the country's worst political moments in 2011, are now trading around 4.4 percent, almost a full percentage point lower than those of Spain.

Italian stocks have performed broadly in line with the wider European market since January, despite the election and a wave of scandals which has engulfed several leading Italian groups.

But observers in Italy are increasingly nervous that the rosy election scenario favored by investors may not work out.

A jaded electorate, angry about political corruption, economic mismanagement and a national crisis that has impoverished a once-wealthy member of the G7 club of rich nations, could produce a surprise.

Pier Luigi Bersani, the standard-bearer for the centre-left, is a worthy but lackluster former minister whose party has been linked to a banking scandal in the mediaeval Tuscan town of Siena. Support for his party now seems to be fading.

Opponents have latched on to the fact that the ailing bank, Monte dei Paschi, was run by a foundation dominated by political appointees from the centre-left and accused Bersani's party of presiding over a debacle that will cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of euros.
... [link to twitter.com (secure)]
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Great first Greece, than Italy, next Spain and the doom in the EU goes on.

And then Germany will be f***ed.

LOL
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Germany has fucked herself, with its own hands....
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so, any closed numbers?
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BEPPE GRILLO: "NO DEALS, IT'S A WAR"

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the future of Italy could be this screaming man in squares full of ppl... what make him remember you?


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News from Italy‏@newsfromitaly

Outcome of Italy's elections may be a disaster for Italy and not only. Italy risks ending up with zero government for some time #Italy

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With the current situation Italy can't be governed. We are stuck. It will be a slow agony towards the next elections #Elezioni2013


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