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Italy updates!!! A SECOND TECNOCRATIC GOV ON THE WAY??? | |
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recollector  User ID: 26964049  United Kingdom02/25/2013 04:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Left coalition -Bersani- 31.93% Quoting: recollector Right coalition -Berlusconi- 30.36% This result is after 51,355 ballot stations counted, out of 60,431 in total, meaning roughly 84,94% votes counted out of 100%. The difference now between left and right is only 1.57%. 57,137 ballot stations counted : Left coalition -Bersani- 31.76 Right coalition -Berlusconi- 30.60% The difference now between left and right is now 1.16%... But nothing will change with under 3,000 stations left to count. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35144135  Portugal02/25/2013 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | zerohedge‏@zerohedge THE BROKERS WITH HANDS ON THEIR FACES [link to brokershandsontheirfacesblog.tumblr.com] |
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| recollector User ID: 26964049 United Kingdom02/25/2013 04:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "COUNTRY MAY BE 'UNGOVERNABLE'!" lol what a load of shit to scare people, belgium had a politic crisis years ago with no governement for months and what happened ? : nothing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35088492 Belgium in NO WAY is like Italy. Belgium have very different parliamentary laws compared to Italy. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35080848  Germany02/25/2013 04:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ever heard of frauenhofer institute? they own about every license at at least 50% its not about the industrial complexes... you can dismantle them at any time and build em somewhere else... its about who will be allowed to produce and where at which conditions..... licenses.... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35144135 Portugal02/25/2013 04:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Business Insider‏@businessinsider LIVE: ITALIAN VOTERS STAGE 'REBELLION', GOVERNMENT SPLITS, MARKETS PLUNGE [link to read.bi] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35144135 Portugal02/25/2013 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rome, Italy — We're live from the Casa dell'Architettura in Rome, where the center-left Partito Democratico is hosting its election day activities. Over 7 hours after the polls have closed, things have turned to chaos. Markets around the world are plunging, as we have seen a split vote. The markets were hoping for the liberal leader Pier Luigi Bersani to win easily, allowing him to form a coalition government with technocrat leader Mario Monti. This would ahve paved the way for unpopular austerity and reforms, that the rest of Europe has been very happy to see. But the voters had a different idea tonight. As Emmanueal Letta -- the second in command of the left party -- just explained, the voters have entered a "rebellion" and the country appears to be ungovernable. The Senate is too divided for any party to claim a victory, and in fact Berlusconi, who was thought to be in second place, appears to have won the majority of seats in the Senate. All this news has caused markets to quake. US stocks tanked. Fear has surged. The Euro has fallen. Gold spiked. And the Japanese yen had a gigantic day. What happens next is very unclear now. Some are wondering outright whether Italy will simply ned to have another election. Meanwhile there is a huge throng of reporters now at Bersani HQ. Here's a quick look. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 31834029 France02/25/2013 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Italy has lots of debts, thats true, but it is mostly held by italiens. Italy has had a surplus the last years, meaning a functioning economy. Italy can handle its debts. They proved it the last 20 years. What happens today is, that countries are attacked by the "markets", but their ultimate aim is the EURO. At the same time, in countries like France or Germany, money is invested and safe, due to the QEn+1 liquidity bubble. France is far worse off than Italy. All that, makes only sense, if you accept one fact: We are being played by international investors, aka wall street and the city. We are the ball, that is being played in a big international financial ball game. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 31834029 France02/25/2013 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ever heard of frauenhofer institute? they own about every license at at least 50% its not about the industrial complexes... you can dismantle them at any time and build em somewhere else... its about who will be allowed to produce and where at which conditions..... licenses.... Interesting, I will check that ... but right now, I have a big doubt. Nothing against you, but the business of little papers called licenses .... is very difficult, there are laws, and seen between samsung and apple, not always very convincing .... . |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35080848 Germany02/25/2013 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ever heard of frauenhofer institute? they own about every license at at least 50% its not about the industrial complexes... you can dismantle them at any time and build em somewhere else... its about who will be allowed to produce and where at which conditions..... licenses.... Interesting, I will check that ... but right now, I have a big doubt. Nothing against you, but the business of little papers called licenses .... is very difficult, there are laws, and seen between samsung and apple, not always very convincing .... . if you own one license and someone else owns another you can argue.... if you own all or the most of the important licences no need to argue...we'd have to argue against ourselfes then... germany is a superpower even if it doesnt show so much. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35074534  Italy02/25/2013 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i just love it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848 berlusconi just said on tv that the government is a worse mafia than the sicilian mafia. hahahaahah. Damn guys up there...What he said was "some judiciary are worse than mafia"...gosh, u can mistify everything dudes, even w/o translation btw I dont think so, he's been an useful idiot, but no more... And ze Germans would love to go back to their beloved Deutsch Mark. Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030  im not saying having a leftist government is a bad thing. im saying germany is in a scary situation. if we'd return to nationaly currencies we'd loose our exports. if we stay within the eurozone we will have to find a solution for all the other memberstates before they shipwreck and trigger a chain reaction. i anyway wonder why germany is beeing held so strong during the economic crisis. its almost like someone fears to see germany go into recession. looking into history it's understandable. could it be that if we were to suffer we'd go to war again? i'd have to leave this country if so..... scary shit.... ...especially if the EU construct has any miscalculation we jaust dont see yet..... Its starting to look in my eyes ur elites are being fooled by illuminati: they promised them a german command in eu, but that is revolving quickly in a resentment against the germans by all other drained nations If only ur elites did infact managed differently the greek doom since day one...we could not have seen this mess but its all managed, no pun intended And ze Germans would love to go back to their beloved Deutsch Mark. Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030 im not saying having a leftist government is a bad thing. im saying germany is in a scary situation. if we'd return to nationaly currencies we'd loose our exports. if we stay within the eurozone we will have to find a solution for all the other memberstates before they shipwreck and trigger a chain reaction. i anyway wonder why germany is beeing held so strong during the economic crisis. its almost like someone fears to see germany go into recession. looking into history it's understandable. could it be that if we were to suffer we'd go to war again? i'd have to leave this country if so..... scary shit.... ...especially if the EU construct has any miscalculation we jaust dont see yet..... The basic solution to all this misery is to create a european nation state. The basic problem is that France would not give up her souvereign rights as a state (budget, law, and so on). The other basic problem is that Germany won't accept eurobonds to not to pay the debts of other states. Checkmate. Exit. Im sure thats what EU founding fathers (De Gasperi, Adenauer, Monnet, Spaak) had in mind... Political Union BEFORE monetary one We have all been fooled by banksters-Illuminati for example...britain... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848 even if their rating drops the eu central bank could give em money for no interest rate saving em from the sharks on the international market. sadly britain is still not a member of the euro zone. we need a eu nation to protect ourselfes....that has to be understood. Thats true, in our times of currency wars and international debt crisis, if one country would stand alone, it probably would be worse. No problem, will be soon at war against east (Russia-China) ... Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030 Yes, but the current economic situation in Germany with the so-called Hartz IV "labor reform" (aka labor slavery) will ultimately lead to protectionism and return to an "economic miracle", otherwise several million Germans will revolt. The Euro, although stable, is not suitable for every country. True, we would need two euros, managed by the ECB, one south euro and one north euro. Then the south euro would devalue, and a certain level of inflation would melt away the debt. At the same time we would need more integration, along a time frame lets say, one generation. Then we could perhaps marry south euro with north euro. The other possibility is a break up. There is no middle way. Meddling through will bring more problems than benefit and one time maybe not only germans are going to get out the gun .... . germany posesses more gold than the combined restof the eu. there is a reason why state owned gold is also called "WARCHEST". there also is a reason why germany brings this gold home..... they know what is to come. I cant believe that's what ur elites are sayin to ur people...Its a total bullshit And btw u wont see any gold in return, only few bullions, its all been sold by fed...as ours [link to en.wikipedia.org] what do you think? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848 will grillo catch even more seats if reelection takes place? Thats for sure, lookin at main parties reactions |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35080848 Germany02/25/2013 04:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i just love it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848 berlusconi just said on tv that the government is a worse mafia than the sicilian mafia. hahahaahah. Damn guys up there...What he said was "some judiciary are worse than mafia"...gosh, u can mistify everything dudes, even w/o translation btw I dont think so, he's been an useful idiot, but no more... And ze Germans would love to go back to their beloved Deutsch Mark. Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030 im not saying having a leftist government is a bad thing. im saying germany is in a scary situation. if we'd return to nationaly currencies we'd loose our exports. if we stay within the eurozone we will have to find a solution for all the other memberstates before they shipwreck and trigger a chain reaction. i anyway wonder why germany is beeing held so strong during the economic crisis. its almost like someone fears to see germany go into recession. looking into history it's understandable. could it be that if we were to suffer we'd go to war again? i'd have to leave this country if so..... scary shit.... ...especially if the EU construct has any miscalculation we jaust dont see yet..... Its starting to look in my eyes ur elites are being fooled by illuminati: they promised them a german command in eu, but that is revolving quickly in a resentment against the germans by all other drained nations If only ur elites did infact managed differently the greek doom since day one...we could not have seen this mess but its all managed, no pun intended And ze Germans would love to go back to their beloved Deutsch Mark. Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 35126030 im not saying having a leftist government is a bad thing. im saying germany is in a scary situation. if we'd return to nationaly currencies we'd loose our exports. if we stay within the eurozone we will have to find a solution for all the other memberstates before they shipwreck and trigger a chain reaction. i anyway wonder why germany is beeing held so strong during the economic crisis. its almost like someone fears to see germany go into recession. looking into history it's understandable. could it be that if we were to suffer we'd go to war again? i'd have to leave this country if so..... scary shit.... ...especially if the EU construct has any miscalculation we jaust dont see yet..... The basic solution to all this misery is to create a european nation state. The basic problem is that France would not give up her souvereign rights as a state (budget, law, and so on). The other basic problem is that Germany won't accept eurobonds to not to pay the debts of other states. Checkmate. Exit. Im sure thats what EU founding fathers (De Gasperi, Adenauer, Monnet, Spaak) had in mind... Political Union BEFORE monetary one We have all been fooled by banksters-Illuminati for example...britain... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848 even if their rating drops the eu central bank could give em money for no interest rate saving em from the sharks on the international market. sadly britain is still not a member of the euro zone. we need a eu nation to protect ourselfes....that has to be understood. Thats true, in our times of currency wars and international debt crisis, if one country would stand alone, it probably would be worse. No problem, will be soon at war against east (Russia-China) ... Quoting: ^àTOn^ True, we would need two euros, managed by the ECB, one south euro and one north euro. Then the south euro would devalue, and a certain level of inflation would melt away the debt. At the same time we would need more integration, along a time frame lets say, one generation. Then we could perhaps marry south euro with north euro. The other possibility is a break up. There is no middle way. Meddling through will bring more problems than benefit and one time maybe not only germans are going to get out the gun .... . germany posesses more gold than the combined restof the eu. there is a reason why state owned gold is also called "WARCHEST". there also is a reason why germany brings this gold home..... they know what is to come. I cant believe that's what ur elites are sayin to ur people...Its a total bullshit And btw u wont see any gold in return, only few bullions, its all been sold by fed...as ours [link to en.wikipedia.org] what do you think? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848 will grillo catch even more seats if reelection takes place? Thats for sure, lookin at main parties reactions i wouldnt rely on wikipedia in this..... |
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| recollector User ID: 26964049 United Kingdom02/25/2013 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ever heard of frauenhofer institute? they own about every license at at least 50% its not about the industrial complexes... you can dismantle them at any time and build em somewhere else... its about who will be allowed to produce and where at which conditions..... licenses.... Interesting, I will check that ... but right now, I have a big doubt. Nothing against you, but the business of little papers called licenses .... is very difficult, there are laws, and seen between samsung and apple, not always very convincing .... . if you own one license and someone else owns another you can argue.... if you own all or the most of the important licences no need to argue...we'd have to argue against ourselfes then... germany is a superpower even if it doesnt show so much. I can't wait for euro to crash, and crash hard. When this happen, you naz..., I mean guys, will STARVE.The world will be in such a mess, that nobody will care about your stupid licenses.They will just manufacture and you will get NOTHING. Your wages will drop around 95%, Weimar the 2nd will ensure, and you will HAVE TO GO in eastern and southern european countries to WORK FOR FOOD, since you can barely produce food for about 6 million people, while you are 80.000.000. Don't count on importing food...EVERYONE hates Germany. I can't wait for this to happen.It will, I just want it faster. Last Edited by Recollector on 02/25/2013 04:53 PM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35080848 Germany02/25/2013 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848 ever heard of frauenhofer institute? they own about every license at at least 50% its not about the industrial complexes... you can dismantle them at any time and build em somewhere else... its about who will be allowed to produce and where at which conditions..... licenses.... Interesting, I will check that ... but right now, I have a big doubt. Nothing against you, but the business of little papers called licenses .... is very difficult, there are laws, and seen between samsung and apple, not always very convincing .... . if you own one license and someone else owns another you can argue.... if you own all or the most of the important licences no need to argue...we'd have to argue against ourselfes then... germany is a superpower even if it doesnt show so much. I can't wait for euro to crash, and crash hard. When this happen, you naz..., I eman guys, will STARVE.The world will be in such a mess, that nobody will care about your stupid licenses.They will just manufacture and you will get NOTHING. Your wages will drop around 95%, Weimar the 2nd will ensure, and you will HAVE TO GO in eastern and southern european countries to WORK FOR FOOD, since you can barely produce food for about 6 million people, while you are 80.000.000. Don't count on importing food...EVERYONE hates Germany. I can't wait for this to happen.It will, I just want it faster. Your wages will drop around 95%, Weimar the 2nd will ensure, and you will HAVE TO GO in eastern and southern european countries to WORK FOR FOOD, since you can barely produce food for about 6 million people, while you are 80.000.000. others will produce the food not even knowing it will end up in germany. not a problem. what is really interesting is that there are a lot which dont like germany.... here is what i hav to say.... success produces jealousy and that is an honor! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35144135 Portugal02/25/2013 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | zerohedge‏@zerohedge CISE Senate breakdown with 90% votes counted: Bunga 127; Bersani 112; Monti 21; Grillo 53 [link to cise.luiss.it] … |
| Interstellar Breeze User ID: 29898248  Sweden02/25/2013 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | for example...britain... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848 even if their rating drops the eu central bank could give em money for no interest rate saving em from the sharks on the international market. sadly britain is still not a member of the euro zone. we need a eu nation to protect ourselfes....that has to be understood. Never! The EU should have never been brought to existence in the first place! It should be orderly dismantled and rid off. It's the harbinger of all that has failed in Europe since it's inception. 5000 years of human civilization back this up! All big and overreaching empires end up drowning in bureaucracy and total financial, cultural chaos. But yet again we must go through a 50+ years long mistake, How about we start learning from history??? Same thing every time! Last Edited by Interstellar Breeze on 02/25/2013 04:58 PM |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35080848 Germany02/25/2013 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | for example...britain... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35080848 even if their rating drops the eu central bank could give em money for no interest rate saving em from the sharks on the international market. sadly britain is still not a member of the euro zone. we need a eu nation to protect ourselfes....that has to be understood. Never! The EU should have never been brought to existence in the first place! It should be orderly dismantled and rid off. It's the harbinger of all that has failed in Europe since it's inception. 5000 years of human civilization back this up! All big and overreaching empires end up drowning in bureaucracy and total financial, cultural chaos. But yet again we must go through a 50+ years long mistake, How about we start learning from history??? Same thing every time! 5000 years of human civilization back this up! All big and overreaching empires end up drowning in bureaucracy and total financial, cultural chaos. that depends... if we grow together it shouldn't be a probelm. noone should be forced. that wouldnt work. obviously there is a lot of diversion and our politicians are unable to reach out to all of us and convice them..... the biggest mistake ever was NOT TO EXPLAIN AND TELL THE PEOPLE...make em understand..... |
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