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Stocks dropping, Seng dropping, dollar index up, Physical gold drop, Big players selling PAPER, collapse is starting? 2/21/2013

 
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*buys more silver*
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THIS! Shop around at local coin stores & get what you can in the next few days.
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Good idea! only thing about that , is what they have real?
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Yeah, silver dollars could be fake. Even a reputable coin dealer could be fooled I suppose, if they don't test everything. Junk silver is not normally worth a counterfeiter's effort so that is likely to be real.
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*buys more silver*
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THIS! Shop around at local coin stores & get what you can in the next few days.
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Good idea! only thing about that , is what they have real?
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Yeah, silver dollars could be fake. Even a reputable coin dealer could be fooled I suppose, if they don't test everything. Junk silver is not normally worth a counterfeiter's effort so that is likely to be real.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


Let me share something with you so you are up to par on this too. Ill post another thread too, later on, i want to help people aviod junk.

I bought 5 bars of silver plated Morgan 1 oz bars that i testeed, tested fine and weight was on par. But the core is not silver and you can buy em in mass quanities for cheap.

So you really have to beware.
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If you're thinking of buying PM's
I would wait a few more weeks.
The pigs usually like to push down
harder than you think they will.
I would not be surprised at all
to see $25/26 in silver for example.



In a few weeks you will not be able find any especially if it drops lower to those prices.


You are not a silver buyer yourself are you? Otherwise you would have a better idea how these things play out.
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Thanks for the good Karma votes, I need em and thnx for the stars!
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We have seen this a couple of times before.
I think everything I fine.
The only problem could be if the fed stops bying bonds and the economy must have a lid of it self. Inflation could follow if they end that program.
By as usual with the economy, it's like a brain wash. You never know what happened and what will happen.
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In late April the US economy will start to collapse, and hyperinflation will start to take hold. So will begin the next great depression along with hyperinflation.
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im thinking its gonna fall out much sooner than that, everything points to a major meltdown within a few days maybe weeks in my opinion, but im a newbie at this.
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i'd be worried .... but we got a brilliant head honcho at the helm
obama will handle it ...all is wellbanana2
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Re: Stocks dropping, Seng dropping, dollar index up, Physical gold drop, Big players selling PAPER, collapse is starting? 2/21/2013
From a professional's perspective: 1-2% single-day declines are not terribly uncommon, they occur a handful of times each year in both bull and bear markets. However! There are a few other critical concerns that are being seen:

1) The most recent market bottom was on March 6, 2009 at 6443. By definition, the market has been in a bull rally then for nearly 4 years and has moved over 117%. The typical bull rally from market bottom to market peak is only 2 1/2 years and returns over 200%. This means that this "rally" is exceptionally long and shallow. It also means that it is due to turn bear even under the best of circumstances. Clearly we are not in the best of circumstances.

2) The paper price and physical price of commodities has diverged significantly in recent weeks, as seen in Gold, Silver and Oil (Gasoline at pump up while oil is down). This generally signals a significant sale of contracts that outpaces the market demand of the contracts. This can mean several things, but this time I suspect it means that there aren't enough buyers of paper contracts to justify prices and that people are now holding (storing/hoarding/consuming) physical commodities directly rather than going through the paper markets. This can be a harbinger of great concern, but is at the very least a warning that confidence in markets has waned.

3) Hedging remarks from every major financial markets' determinating body have increased. Every nation is stating, in effect, that they may or may not do something about current financial movements. In these statements, they not only hedge their plans to act, but they also obfuscate the real status of their respective national financial situation. While these things happen all the time, the fact that it is happening out in the light of day without any meaningful questioning is very disturbing.

There are many other, more technical signs that have been passed over the past 18 months that point to serious downturns, including massaged employment, housing, inflation and GDP data. Any of these items taken alone would be cause for concern, but not potentially problematic. The confluence of them all is highly disturbing.

Hang on tight folks. The bear is at the door, and it is PISSED
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We have seen this a couple of times before.
I think everything I fine.
The only problem could be if the fed stops bying bonds and the economy must have a lid of it self. Inflation could follow if they end that program.
By as usual with the economy, it's like a brain wash. You never know what happened and what will happen.
 Quoting: Limpan

In late April the US economy will start to collapse, and hyperinflation will start to take hold. So will begin the next great depression along with hyperinflation.
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Although the above is inevitable with fiat currency blah blah blah.....I must have heard predictions like yours with specific months and dates a million times over the last 5 years on this forum and see no reason to deem this one different from the others..
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I think this us the next BIG leg down. The scenario of a fed gov spending and employment collapse will be FUGLY.

Look for IMF type riots in the "infested" cities (GLP'ers KNOW what that means)

Lock an load brothers....
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Re: Stocks dropping, Seng dropping, dollar index up, Physical gold drop, Big players selling PAPER, collapse is starting? 2/21/2013
the question is why are Bill Gates and Warren Buffet investing in farms and farming equipment

Because the cost of food is going to rise soon thats why
and they want to own all the farms producing food
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the question is why are Bill Gates and Warren Buffet investing in farms and farming equipment

Because the cost of food is going to rise soon thats why
and they want to own all the farms producing food
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They are also buying land over aquafirs.
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the question is why are Bill Gates and Warren Buffet investing in farms and farming equipment

Because the cost of food is going to rise soon thats why
and they want to own all the farms producing food
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Right you are. Be assured they're doing business with Monstanto GMO seeds (so it's not actual "food" to be grown so don't get excited), plus their pesticides and herbicides.

Every trick in the book from every angle has forced farmers out of business, from every angle..and we all knew it was for a reason. Here it is and more to come you can be sure. Potable water hogging for one.
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Shit! I am losing all my money in the stock market now :'(
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Gold Pullback Explained
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he got some points...
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I have been following this stuff, and just wondered what do you all think all of the data put together means?

Are gold and silver going lower?

Is dollar and market about to collapse?

whats your opinions?

Is it time to buy physical?

Morgan sold 26 % of markets PAPER GOLD yesterday only to buy up physical gold.

CEO of Google sold 64% of his shares of the company!

Looks really Bad!


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Yep.. paper's dead, which is precisely why we need to cut off foreign EVERYTHING, bring all manufacturing back home, internalize ALL buying (fuck the world), and be not just a net exporter, but an exclusive exporter.. no imports of any kind. We need to systematically bomb every hacker/computer center that has stolen our technology, triple our military spending, put WMD in the hands of every American, conquer Canada and Central America to build up our strategic position in the world, and then shut the rest of the world off to any of our aid until we become the economic powerhouse we were just a few short decades ago.

Time to think big, people...
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Thanks for the good Karma!
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Thanks for the good Karma!
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Welcome (:
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When this is over PM's won't mean a damn thing. Nothing will be in circulation in any event, as it pertains to commods. Will be useless, and people will feel the pain...
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gold already pullback, beware bear knock US market door.. and gold dropping is because the paper gold holding flush the market and buy physical.. paper gold based on US if they sell paper gold this indicate that they have less confidence in US dollar, and there is divergence between paper and physical so hold on to your physical gold, or if you have enough money start buying physical.. dont caught into panic situationm , be wise..
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I have been following this stuff, and just wondered what do you all think all of the data put together means?

Are gold and silver going lower?

Is dollar and market about to collapse?

whats your opinions?

Is it time to buy physical?

Morgan sold 26 % of markets PAPER GOLD yesterday only to buy up physical gold.

CEO of Google sold 64% of his shares of the company!

Looks really Bad!


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[link to www.bloomberg.com]


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 Quoting: icyman61


Yep.. paper's dead, which is precisely why we need to cut off foreign EVERYTHING, bring all manufacturing back home, internalize ALL buying (fuck the world), and be not just a net exporter, but an exclusive exporter.. no imports of any kind. We need to systematically bomb every hacker/computer center that has stolen our technology, triple our military spending, put WMD in the hands of every American, conquer Canada and Central America to build up our strategic position in the world, and then shut the rest of the world off to any of our aid until we become the economic powerhouse we were just a few short decades ago.

Time to think big, people...
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sheeple think big? Yeah right.
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Now's the time you want to buy stocks, on a dip when everyone is scared.
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Now's the time you want to buy stocks, on a dip when everyone is scared.
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LOL, if the CEO of Google is selling 64% of his companies shares, im not buying!
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Now's the time you want to buy stocks, on a dip when everyone is scared.
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yea remember what happen in 2008
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Been watching all night cant sleep ! Its a red market wall street is looking at a long day ! OP Cant say a date , but I dont know how much longer the Bullshit can continue?
 Quoting: GT500


Look for an event March 10th-12th, and for the resulting 'fire' to grow out of hand between March 13th and 26th, with a focal event likely on March 20th. Contagion goes global March 28th-30st...Full blown collapse by May 15th.
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Been watching all night cant sleep ! Its a red market wall street is looking at a long day ! OP Cant say a date , but I dont know how much longer the Bullshit can continue?
 Quoting: GT500


Look for an event March 10th-12th, and for the resulting 'fire' to grow out of hand between March 13th and 26th, with a focal event likely on March 20th. Contagion goes global March 28th-30st...Full blown collapse by May 15th.
 Quoting: LT Prepper


HAHAHAHA what brings you to this prediction?
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From a professional's perspective: 1-2% single-day declines are not terribly uncommon, they occur a handful of times each year in both bull and bear markets. However! There are a few other critical concerns that are being seen:

1) The most recent market bottom was on March 6, 2009 at 6443. By definition, the market has been in a bull rally then for nearly 4 years and has moved over 117%. The typical bull rally from market bottom to market peak is only 2 1/2 years and returns over 200%. This means that this "rally" is exceptionally long and shallow. It also means that it is due to turn bear even under the best of circumstances. Clearly we are not in the best of circumstances.

2) The paper price and physical price of commodities has diverged significantly in recent weeks, as seen in Gold, Silver and Oil (Gasoline at pump up while oil is down). This generally signals a significant sale of contracts that outpaces the market demand of the contracts. This can mean several things, but this time I suspect it means that there aren't enough buyers of paper contracts to justify prices and that people are now holding (storing/hoarding/consuming) physical commodities directly rather than going through the paper markets. This can be a harbinger of great concern, but is at the very least a warning that confidence in markets has waned.

3) Hedging remarks from every major financial markets' determinating body have increased. Every nation is stating, in effect, that they may or may not do something about current financial movements. In these statements, they not only hedge their plans to act, but they also obfuscate the real status of their respective national financial situation. While these things happen all the time, the fact that it is happening out in the light of day without any meaningful questioning is very disturbing.

There are many other, more technical signs that have been passed over the past 18 months that point to serious downturns, including massaged employment, housing, inflation and GDP data. Any of these items taken alone would be cause for concern, but not potentially problematic. The confluence of them all is highly disturbing.

Hang on tight folks. The bear is at the door, and it is PISSED
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This was a fantastic analysis.

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If truth be known the monopoly game is almost over and we all lost..dead
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Oh shit, I better start selling up the millions of shares I have bought
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All market prediction are at their base predicated on the assumtion that: 1. mks are not manipulated artificially.
OR
2.The mkt is manipulated and therefore rigged by insiders.

i base mine off of view #2 ..that said, insiders (those who play with billions not millions) have been pulling their $ OUT of the mkt for about 2 years and buying physical gold ,platinum and silver.
I have been, and will continue to do the same....as for position # 1, are you STUPID or what??
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Look for an event March 10th-12th, and for the resulting 'fire' to grow out of hand between March 13th and 26th, with a focal event likely on March 20th. Contagion goes global March 28th-30st...Full blown collapse by May 15th.
 Quoting: LT Prepper


HAHAHAHA what brings you to this prediction?
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Those who play the Numbers game, or those who at least follow it to some degree, can see the significance of those dates in relation to the larger universe... why should I explain it to a noob?
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Gold and silver will be beat down further, I think it will get to around 1400 for gold before it comes back up with a vengeance.

Expect gold at 2,500+ the question is, when? Possibly later this year, maybe as late as 2014.

We will see.


Oh and in short....BTFD.
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if people are dumping and buying real gold the stock market gold will go down that simple. if there is less gold how can the market go up. dont get me wrong the price for real gold will go up. Along with a gallon of gas food and so on. The time has come use taxes to get ready why get a car if you know its going to fall apart. I bet they are going to pin the blame on the people some how.

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