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I don't know how this thread got hijacked with all the NDE stuff BUT....

I am so sad to think that this is what our world is coming to. Someone can say to a stranger that they want to kill themselves and the stranger just walks away. Wow!

I would have given the guy a ride or invited him to go for a walk. Anything... something... Just listened to him.

This is what Jesus meant when he said if someone wants you to walk a mile, go with him for two miles.

Damn! What a wasted opportunity to turn someones life around. Even if you had just given him your phone number or even TOLD someone else what he was thinking of doing. Called 911 anything!

Double DAMN!!!!
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Google 'NDE hell'

Here's one of many cases.

A woman sees, and experiences the fires of hell, after her failed suicide attempt, with a self-inflicted gun shot:


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

By the way pretty much all describe, this horrific sulfuric smell in hell. This lady, in particular mentions the fire, felt like a sulphuric burn. She heard millions screaming there in agony.

And the Bible, also states, in hell, people will be tormented with burning sulfur, and a lake of burning sulfur.
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This guy has just had an excruciatingly horrible life..and instead of offering him hope and love and a shoulder to cry on and some LOVE, you would have said that all that awaited him for DARING to be in a pit of sorrow and despair was TORTURE forever from the author of LOVE??

You evil sadistic hate filled misrepresenting torture loving SADIST!

No wonder people turn away from the Lord with heartless evil blackmailing cruel so called "beleiver" saying this garbage.
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I still see you haven't completely given up on your rants.

Jesus himself warned others of hell.
Matthew 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Of course only an unbeliever evidently like yourself, wouldn't believe all of Jesus's words and warnings. But rather, would choose to cherry pick verses, and formulate your own beliefs, which are more new age than christian.
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I didnt cherry pick anything. I am also a VERY strong beleiver.

Jesus said to SEEK the LOST..to LOVE the brokenhearted..not threaten them with DOOM and torture.

Feed the hungry..heal the broken ones..give them a reason to live..NOT to torment them even MORE.

thats what PHARISEES do..they LOVE to look down their noses..especially on the hurting and despairing ones..and tell them they are DOOMED and not care one bit HOW it is terrorising them.

I would hate to be a street person who had lost everything running into you..all I would get from you is condecending threats of torture..while you walk away with a snide self satified self rightous look on your face as you flippantly think "Well the FOOL didnt heed me..he deserveres to BURN"
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There you go ignoring Jesus warnings.

Matthew 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Do you judge Jesus as being cruel and sadistic for saying this?


A person can warn and caution another, out of love and because they care. If the road is icy, and I told someone be careful, on the roads, because you can get into a wreck, do you state, I'm cruel and sadistic, for mentioning they can get into a wreck?

You have STILL not come to terms with an eternal hell. Are you're still being highly hypocritical and judgmental.
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I survived a self inflicted gun shot wound through the middle of me when I was a teenager. Here is what I say to people when I council suicidal people and I have been asked to speak to them: Background (I was 16. I am 43. I grew up in an abusive home and used suicide to set me free from the mental/emotional distress. I exhibited many of the classic signs/symptoms of suicidal people for 7 months).

At the time, prior to pulling the trigger I was 100 percent certain I wanted to die. It's difficult to understand something until you live it. I could never fully understand what it is to give birth to a baby. I could only read, attend child birth classes with my spouse, watch Discovery Health but until I lived it, I would never understand it. With no understanding of death I thought I wanted it. Until the rifle went off.

Here's the problem with suicide. It's like the people that were on that cruise ship that broke down. Crappy situation all around. But, the ship made it back to port and the passengers were able to disembark and continue on with life. They hated it. Regretted it. They had the chance to go on with life. If you kill yourself, there's the moment when you leave this world to move on to the next world. There's almost no room for regret. I regretted pulling the trigger but it was too late once the bullet left. I wanted to get off the ground and leave that place but I couldn't. I realized I would never see what the next day would bring. I found reasons to live. I realized I wanted to grow up one day and be a father myself and provide a home for another child that I didn't have. This person you encountered surely had 1 joy. We all have at least 1. If you kill yourself you deny yourself the liberty to enjoy that 1 thing the next day. If you can focus on that 1 thing. Even if it's a smoke and a cup of coffee you are making a mistake if you deny yourself. The point is you live to see another day. You crawl to another day and so on. Eventually life does get better. It did for me. I was blessed with a second chance at life. It's not been easy. I have been homeless in my late twenties but again, life gets better. I lost my job in September and have been through a very rough bout of depression over this past year but, it's getting better. It always does. That's just life. Never quit on yourself.

It comes down to choice. You choose today. Suicide denies you choice, it really does. If you shoot yourself today or let go of the ledge you lose the next days liberty of choice.
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Nicely said. Bravo!
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I don't know how this thread got hijacked with all the NDE stuff BUT....

I am so sad to think that this is what our world is coming to. Someone can say to a stranger that they want to kill themselves and the stranger just walks away. Wow!

I would have given the guy a ride or invited him to go for a walk. Anything... something... Just listened to him.

This is what Jesus meant when he said if someone wants you to walk a mile, go with him for two miles.

Damn! What a wasted opportunity to turn someones life around. Even if you had just given him your phone number or even TOLD someone else what he was thinking of doing. Called 911 anything!

Double DAMN!!!!
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You my friend are a jerk. You have never even thought of someone walking up to you and saying - I want to commit suicide. You have/had no plan. And you would have left that poor soul standing there as you walked away. NOW, because of this thread and the GUTS OP has shown you now HAVE a plan. So, guess what, if someone walks up to anyone of us who have read this thread, we ALL now have a plan. Thank you OP.
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Re: what would you say to someone that wanted to kill themselves?
Idk hopefully that's not a situation many of us find ourselves in, there aren't really any good answers.

but I have always wanted to say "see ya in another life brother" ala Desmond from Lost....hopefully they'd get the reference, laugh, and call the whole thing off

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Re: what would you say to someone that wanted to kill themselves?
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So, if many of these demons are in hell, we would expect them to smell like hell, which would be sulphur.

So, do exorcists, and paranormal investigators, state the presence of demons smell like sulfur?

Yes

A demonic presence may give off certain odors/smells such as sulfur
[link to www.liparanormalinvestigators.com]

Some speculated, the sulfur smell, is the person smelling themselves.

But this doesn't explain, why when people have heavenly experiences, they don't smell sulphur, only those who experienced and sees hell.

There's many more, who experiences the exact same thing while in hell, all also smelling the exact same thing, which is sulphur, which lines up not only with the Bible that states the lake of burning sulphur, but also with findings of paranormal investigators, and exorcists, that too state demons smell like sulphur.
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it rains sulphuric acid on Venus. They astrally projected onto Venus.
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Re: what would you say to someone that wanted to kill themselves?
suicide is a permanent solution to a part time problem
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Re: what would you say to someone that wanted to kill themselves?
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So, if many of these demons are in hell, we would expect them to smell like hell, which would be sulphur.

So, do exorcists, and paranormal investigators, state the presence of demons smell like sulfur?

Yes

A demonic presence may give off certain odors/smells such as sulfur
[link to www.liparanormalinvestigators.com]

Some speculated, the sulfur smell, is the person smelling themselves.

But this doesn't explain, why when people have heavenly experiences, they don't smell sulphur, only those who experienced and sees hell.

There's many more, who experiences the exact same thing while in hell, all also smelling the exact same thing, which is sulphur, which lines up not only with the Bible that states the lake of burning sulphur, but also with findings of paranormal investigators, and exorcists, that too state demons smell like sulphur.
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it rains sulphuric acid on Venus. They astrally projected onto Venus.
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If that's the case, that doesn't explain, them not only smelling sulphur, but in addition, also seeing demons torturing people, and people burning in flames. Also, many felt during the experiences, they were moving downwards into the Earth, and not moving above the Earth, and traveling to another planet.
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Re: what would you say to someone that wanted to kill themselves?
the story and lessons are already written in 40 chapters

don't go putting liquid paper in the 12th chapter and try changing things


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I would just say "go ahead." Plain and simple just like that too.
"I fear not the insane. I fear the ones who believe there is such a thing as normal."
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Re: what would you say to someone that wanted to kill themselves?
the story and lessons are already written in 40 chapters

don't go putting liquid paper in the 12th chapter and try changing things


the divine frown upon that
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40 chapters in what book?
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Hold on dude. Let me take out a million dollar life insurance policy on you right quick.
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Re: what would you say to someone that wanted to kill themselves?
the story and lessons are already written in 40 chapters

don't go putting liquid paper in the 12th chapter and try changing things


the divine frown upon that
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40 chapters in what book?
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no book

you know

think about it and if you still don't know then you didn't think long hard enough

think about it more
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Google 'NDE hell'

Here's one of many cases.

A woman sees, and experiences the fires of hell, after her failed suicide attempt, with a self-inflicted gun shot:

By the way pretty much all describe, this horrific sulfuric smell in hell. This lady, in particular mentions the fire, felt like a sulphuric burn. She heard millions screaming there in agony.

And the Bible, also states, in hell, people will be tormented with burning sulfur, and a lake of burning sulfur.
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Please don't be disappointed when you eventually become aware that the heaven/hell dichotomy is a false one.... The Universe does not operate in the manner in which you believe it does.

Sigh....

"You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger"
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Typically I would offer the individual a gun and tell them it doesn't have any bodies on it yet, the gun needs experience, and like its your lucky day bro, you can be its first. 9 out of 10 times they'll run like hell, but there's always gonna be that one guy, that really wants to. In that instance you scream some biblical stuff (much more effective in a non native tounge) and you run. But hey that's just me.-not u.
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Google 'NDE hell'

Here's one of many cases.

A woman sees, and experiences the fires of hell, after her failed suicide attempt, with a self-inflicted gun shot:

By the way pretty much all describe, this horrific sulfuric smell in hell. This lady, in particular mentions the fire, felt like a sulphuric burn. She heard millions screaming there in agony.

And the Bible, also states, in hell, people will be tormented with burning sulfur, and a lake of burning sulfur.
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Universe does not operate in the manner in which you believe
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Advice that you yourself should consider
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I was walking down the street, smoking a cigarette. On the other side there was a man, late40s maybe early..

I noticed he was smoking too, so i called out, "cheers! Were both smoking cigarettes, youre on one side of the street, and im on the other!".

He crossed the street, walking towards me. When he reached me he asked me if i knew where to get some heroine...

I was kind of surprised, even for me that was pretty rare... I told him no, but good luck.. He asked me if he could find some downtown. I told him if he knows where to look, you can find anything.

He said he wantrd to kill himself, shoot up and die. He said he has no family, and nothing left.

He asked me for a cigarette, i told him, id give him 2, he doesnt kill himself...

I wish i couldve said more, but i couldnt think of anything...

What would you have said?
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what I usually do in a situation like that. Put my life aside and give them an ear and ask them if they want to talk to somebody who won't judge them. Sometimes a person just needs to know that somebody will be willing to stop what they are doing to LISTEN.
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"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"
--Benjamin Franlkin

No one ever said freedom was safe. Upon true understanding of the concepts of freedom, you shall realize that freedom is the most dangerous choice of lifestyle. There are no guarantees in freedom but those one provides for themselves, at their own will. True freedom comes with extreme personal risk. Are you willing to take the risk?

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LoooooLlllllOOOllllOOOOlll, this comes from a american!...omg u support killing like atleast 100 people every day....who in US fucking cares of one life????...this trend is so stupid when it comes from a american!!!

King Kristian...
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I still see you haven't completely given up on your rants.

Jesus himself warned others of hell.
Matthew 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Of course only an unbeliever evidently like yourself, wouldn't believe all of Jesus's words and warnings. But rather, would choose to cherry pick verses, and formulate your own beliefs, which are more new age than christian.
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Cherry pick verses? You mean just like a couple Emperors and numerous church officials did multiple times throughout history to cater and craft the church doctrine for the sole purpose of ensuring maximum control and authority over the populace? You don't actually believe you are reading the original teachings/beliefs of Jesus and the early Christians do you?

You do understand that for many centuries, the church and government were ONE in the political arena. Those who held power manipulated the doctrine to achieve their own self-serving political agendas. Ask Emperor Constantine, Emperor Justinian, King James, and several of the bishops and popes what became of the original teachings of the early christian sects. One thing is certain, you have not been provided with the 'truth' - only what the various authorities and men who held power decided you should have access to. You think they had your best interest at heart and wanted to provide you with the the real 'truth' that would empower you and free you from the control of the church? THINK AGAIN.

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i'd say go for it. i'm a firm believer in the right to die.
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I still see you haven't completely given up on your rants.

Jesus himself warned others of hell.
Matthew 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Of course only an unbeliever evidently like yourself, wouldn't believe all of Jesus's words and warnings. But rather, would choose to cherry pick verses, and formulate your own beliefs, which are more new age than christian.
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One thing is certain, you have not been provided with the 'truth' - only what the various authorities and men who held power decided you should have access to.
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False, yes I provided scriptures, but if you actually and objectively looked over my replies. You see, I'm providing information from sources, that aren't from the Bible.
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Google 'NDE hell'

Here's one of many cases.

A woman sees, and experiences the fires of hell, after her failed suicide attempt, with a self-inflicted gun shot:

By the way pretty much all describe, this horrific sulfuric smell in hell. This lady, in particular mentions the fire, felt like a sulphuric burn. She heard millions screaming there in agony.

And the Bible, also states, in hell, people will be tormented with burning sulfur, and a lake of burning sulfur.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34812179


Universe does not operate in the manner in which you believe
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Advice that you yourself should consider
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Don't be disappointed when you learn that the children who spoke of past lives were telling the truth. One day you will look back with regret that you devoted so much time & energy to trying to prove to others that 'eternal hell' was real. Today is not that day.

"You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger"
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I still see you haven't completely given up on your rants.

Jesus himself warned others of hell.
Matthew 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Of course only an unbeliever evidently like yourself, wouldn't believe all of Jesus's words and warnings. But rather, would choose to cherry pick verses, and formulate your own beliefs, which are more new age than christian.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34812179


One thing is certain, you have not been provided with the 'truth' - only what the various authorities and men who held power decided you should have access to.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


False, yes I provided scriptures, but if you actually and objectively looked over my replies. You see, I'm providing information from sources, that aren't from the Bible.
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Also if you state, I only review materials or 'truth' that the various authorities provided, one may also state, the non-Christian, new age books (with subjects on channeling, reincarnation, NDEs, aliens, quantum physics, psychics, etc.) and materials, are also controlled and only available due to what the authorities share.
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Google 'NDE hell'

Here's one of many cases.

A woman sees, and experiences the fires of hell, after her failed suicide attempt, with a self-inflicted gun shot:

By the way pretty much all describe, this horrific sulfuric smell in hell. This lady, in particular mentions the fire, felt like a sulphuric burn. She heard millions screaming there in agony.

And the Bible, also states, in hell, people will be tormented with burning sulfur, and a lake of burning sulfur.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34812179


Universe does not operate in the manner in which you believe
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Advice that you yourself should consider
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Don't be disappointed when you learn that the children who spoke of past lives were telling the truth. One day you will look back with regret that you devoted so much time & energy to trying to prove to others that 'eternal hell' was real. Today is not that day.
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I don't discount their experiences. I already elaborated on 2 possibilities, for why this doesn't discount the hell experiences.
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I was walking down the street, smoking a cigarette. On the other side there was a man, late40s maybe early..

I noticed he was smoking too, so i called out, "cheers! Were both smoking cigarettes, youre on one side of the street, and im on the other!".

He crossed the street, walking towards me. When he reached me he asked me if i knew where to get some heroine...

I was kind of surprised, even for me that was pretty rare... I told him no, but good luck.. He asked me if he could find some downtown. I told him if he knows where to look, you can find anything.

He said he wantrd to kill himself, shoot up and die. He said he has no family, and nothing left.

He asked me for a cigarette, i told him, id give him 2, he doesnt kill himself...

I wish i couldve said more, but i couldnt think of anything...

What would you have said?
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I would say "No one can ever avoid God, no matter what one does. Jesus is holding out His hand", and leave it there. I have no reason to get emotionally invested in someone's problems, unless he/she specifically asks for assistance.

Last Edited by Handy Monkey on 02/21/2013 09:04 PM
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I still see you haven't completely given up on your rants.

Jesus himself warned others of hell.
Matthew 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Of course only an unbeliever evidently like yourself, wouldn't believe all of Jesus's words and warnings. But rather, would choose to cherry pick verses, and formulate your own beliefs, which are more new age than christian.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34812179


One thing is certain, you have not been provided with the 'truth' - only what the various authorities and men who held power decided you should have access to.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


False, yes I provided scriptures, but if you actually and objectively looked over my replies. You see, I'm providing information from sources, that aren't from the Bible.
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I'm familiar with your posts... You spend a lot of time posting NDE videos that have to do with Jesus and 'hell' - while conveniently avoiding all the NDE cases that do not support the dogma that you adhere to. Your best explanation for why children would possess veridical information in the form of past live memories was that 'demons' told it to them, remember?

Sigh....

"You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger"
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I can tell you from personal experience that NDE and such are real. Hell is a construct of an eternal loop of suffering of the uncleared mind --- it is best to eulogize often and apologize when needed. You don't want that stuff on your mind when you cross over.

But I'm just a person, so don't pay me any mind...
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I still see you haven't completely given up on your rants.

Jesus himself warned others of hell.
Matthew 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Of course only an unbeliever evidently like yourself, wouldn't believe all of Jesus's words and warnings. But rather, would choose to cherry pick verses, and formulate your own beliefs, which are more new age than christian.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34812179


One thing is certain, you have not been provided with the 'truth' - only what the various authorities and men who held power decided you should have access to.
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False, yes I provided scriptures, but if you actually and objectively looked over my replies. You see, I'm providing information from sources, that aren't from the Bible.
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I'm familiar with your posts... You spend a lot of time posting NDE videos that have to do with Jesus and 'hell' - while conveniently avoiding all the NDE cases that do not support the dogma that you adhere to. Your best explanation for why children would possess veridical information in the form of past live memories was that 'demons' told it to them, remember?

Sigh....
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There's several vids and accounts, where people were not experiencing an NDE or OBE.

But still had supernatural visions of Jesus, saw hell, heaven, etc.

And too still came across veridical information, and experienced miraculous healings.

I guess you're going to ignore all these cases. These again, have nothing to do with NDEs.

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