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people see a lot of stuff.Jesus is a construct that can very well be any spirit that seems familiar. They kind of work that way, it's not an end all be all. Jesus isn't even a name it's a title. I'm not saying that to argue or disprove stuff. I'm just stating observable facts.

I've been saved more than once. I learned about spirituality because I was lied to all my life about what Jesus really was. I didn't believe the lies, and that's when I REALLY was shown the truth about stuff. as long as you names stuff and think in the better than mindset, you're not ever going to find that answer. Ego will not allow it
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One thing is certain, you have not been provided with the 'truth' - only what the various authorities and men who held power decided you should have access to.
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False, yes I provided scriptures, but if you actually and objectively looked over my replies. You see, I'm providing information from sources, that aren't from the Bible.
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I'm familiar with your posts... You spend a lot of time posting NDE videos that have to do with Jesus and 'hell' - while conveniently avoiding all the NDE cases that do not support the dogma that you adhere to. Your best explanation for why children would possess veridical information in the form of past live memories was that 'demons' told it to them, remember?

Sigh....
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There's several vids and accounts, where people were not experiencing an NDE or OBE.

But still had supernatural visions of Jesus, saw hell, heaven, etc.

And too still came across veridical information, and experienced miraculous healings.

I guess you're going to ignore all these cases. These again, have nothing to do with NDEs.
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I've ignored nothing as I'm not the one actively trying to persuade others by posting NDE videos in an attempt to provide them with a clearly subjective & incomplete portrayal of the wide range of experiences that individuals report while in this state. You avoid posting the cases which do not support your biblical dogma, why is that? Tell me, of the countless videos about NDE's & visions that you have posted, how many of them have centered around Jesus and 'hell'? All of them???

Would it not be fair to others to present them with a complete range of the NDE experiences that individuals report throughout the world, and then allow the viewer to make up his/her mind? Instead you would rather trumpet your belief system and leave others in the dark about the many cases which do not serve to bolster your beliefs. You present others with a one-sided perspective of a very complex and mysterious subject matter and do them a disservice in the process.

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so Christians if you take SHEOL for what it is, why try to turn it into something so much more? Can't understand your own mistranslations?

You should try reading the Bible with a concordance, dictionary and Hebrew and Greek dictionaries for cross reference. Break the root words of certain stuff down and you'll see why I stopped listening a long time ago.

TOODLES
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A wonderful resource
[link to www.nderf.org]
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False, yes I provided scriptures, but if you actually and objectively looked over my replies. You see, I'm providing information from sources, that aren't from the Bible.
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I'm familiar with your posts... You spend a lot of time posting NDE videos that have to do with Jesus and 'hell' - while conveniently avoiding all the NDE cases that do not support the dogma that you adhere to. Your best explanation for why children would possess veridical information in the form of past live memories was that 'demons' told it to them, remember?

Sigh....
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


There's several vids and accounts, where people were not experiencing an NDE or OBE.

But still had supernatural visions of Jesus, saw hell, heaven, etc.

And too still came across veridical information, and experienced miraculous healings.

I guess you're going to ignore all these cases. These again, have nothing to do with NDEs.
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I've ignored nothing as I'm not the one trying to persuade others by posting NDE videos in an attempt to provide them with a clearly subjective & incomplete portrayal of the wide range of experiences that individuals report while in this state. You avoid posting the cases which do not support your biblical dogma, why is that? Tell me, of the countless videos about NDE's & visions that you have posted, how many of them have centered around Jesus and 'hell'? All of them?

Would it not be fair to present a complete range of the NDE experiences that individuals report throughout the world, and then allow the viewer to make up his/her mind? Instead you would rather trumpet your belief system and leave others in the dark about the many cases which do not bolster your beliefs.
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1) Again, there's an entire category of experiences, that are not NDEs or OBEs. In which the person still sees Jesus, come across veridical info, experience miraculous healings.

2) If you think I'm not posting the full range of experiences, then you try to find, several current cases (that aren't NDEs), where the person sees Muhammad, Buddha, Krisha, etc. Who also come across veridical info, and experience a miraculous healing.

Regarding the later, I'm still searching for these experiences, but didn't find any. So far these experiences, which again are not NDEs, appear to be unique with Jesus.
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I survived a self inflicted gun shot wound through the middle of me when I was a teenager. Here is what I say to people when I council suicidal people and I have been asked to speak to them: Background (I was 16. I am 43. I grew up in an abusive home and used suicide to set me free from the mental/emotional distress. I exhibited many of the classic signs/symptoms of suicidal people for 7 months).

At the time, prior to pulling the trigger I was 100 percent certain I wanted to die. It's difficult to understand something until you live it. I could never fully understand what it is to give birth to a baby. I could only read, attend child birth classes with my spouse, watch Discovery Health but until I lived it, I would never understand it. With no understanding of death I thought I wanted it. Until the rifle went off.

Here's the problem with suicide. It's like the people that were on that cruise ship that broke down. Crappy situation all around. But, the ship made it back to port and the passengers were able to disembark and continue on with life. They hated it. Regretted it. They had the chance to go on with life. If you kill yourself, there's the moment when you leave this world to move on to the next world. There's almost no room for regret. I regretted pulling the trigger but it was too late once the bullet left. I wanted to get off the ground and leave that place but I couldn't. I realized I would never see what the next day would bring. I found reasons to live. I realized I wanted to grow up one day and be a father myself and provide a home for another child that I didn't have. This person you encountered surely had 1 joy. We all have at least 1. If you kill yourself you deny yourself the liberty to enjoy that 1 thing the next day. If you can focus on that 1 thing. Even if it's a smoke and a cup of coffee you are making a mistake if you deny yourself. The point is you live to see another day. You crawl to another day and so on. Eventually life does get better. It did for me. I was blessed with a second chance at life. It's not been easy. I have been homeless in my late twenties but again, life gets better. I lost my job in September and have been through a very rough bout of depression over this past year but, it's getting better. It always does. That's just life. Never quit on yourself.

It comes down to choice. You choose today. Suicide denies you choice, it really does. If you shoot yourself today or let go of the ledge you lose the next days liberty of choice.
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You know what, I have a lot of respect for you.I believe I read your other post detailing your experiences. You don't know how powerful that was, or who it may have helped or influenced. Thanks for your input and stay strong, I genuinely hope you find peace and things start going in your favour very soon as far as employment is concerned.
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so Christians if you take SHEOL for what it is, why try to turn it into something so much more? Can't understand your own mistranslations?

You should try reading the Bible with a concordance, dictionary and Hebrew and Greek dictionaries for cross reference. Break the root words of certain stuff down and you'll see why I stopped listening a long time ago.

TOODLES
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Yes, I already use a concordance, to see the original Hebrew and Greek words.
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so Christians if you take SHEOL for what it is, why try to turn it into something so much more? Can't understand your own mistranslations?

You should try reading the Bible with a concordance, dictionary and Hebrew and Greek dictionaries for cross reference. Break the root words of certain stuff down and you'll see why I stopped listening a long time ago.

TOODLES
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Yes, I already use a concordance, to see the original Hebrew and Greek words.
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so then you know that the LORD God is the impostor
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1) Again, there's an entire category of experiences, that are not NDEs or OBEs. In which the person still sees Jesus, come across veridical info, experience miraculous healings.

2) If you think I'm not posting the full range of experiences, then you try to find, several current cases (that aren't NDEs), where the person sees Muhammad, Buddha, Krisha, etc. Who also come across veridical info, and experience a miraculous healing.

Regarding the later, I'm still searching for these experiences, but didn't find any. So far these experiences, which again are not NDEs, appear to be unique with Jesus.
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Thank you for affirming what I highlighted in my earlier post.

Who said anything about Muhammed, Buddha, Krishna? Messiahs are a false construct of the physical world, they do not exist on the spiritual plane. No one saves you from this incarnation cycle until you learn that you have to save yourself. It comes not through belief, faith, or adherence to religious doctrine, but only through the evolution & growth of conscious awareness. .

How many NDE videos have you posted where individuals didn't see Jesus, but met their deceased family members and had other encounters instead? Those must be fake huh?

How many NDE videos have you posted where individuals have described experiencing their life-review process where they reveal they were ultimately the judge of their own actions after experiencing the gravity of those actions from a multi-dimensional awareness? Are those imagined too?

Don't give me any of that business about Muhammed & Buddha. They never claimed to be 'god' now did they? Neither did Jesus, but the Roman Catholic church sure did. And if you would read your Hindu NDE cases you would know that people in different regions of the world do experience meeting deities that conform to their ingrained culture beliefs.

Reincarnation is real and it's in your bible. Early christian sects taught the doctrine as well, but emperors and roman-catholic church officials made sure to remove it from the record in the later years. You've got reading to do.

[link to www.near-death.com]

[link to www.near-death.com]

You can convince yourself that 'demons' told children veridical information about past lives if you'd like, but it won't change the Universal law that we are all subject to.

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so Christians if you take SHEOL for what it is, why try to turn it into something so much more? Can't understand your own mistranslations?

You should try reading the Bible with a concordance, dictionary and Hebrew and Greek dictionaries for cross reference. Break the root words of certain stuff down and you'll see why I stopped listening a long time ago.

TOODLES
 Quoting: acegotflows


Yes, I already use a concordance, to see the original Hebrew and Greek words.
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so then you know that the LORD God is the impostor
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Nope, I know that you didn't see the original Greek words, for all the verses.

For example, in Mathew 25:46, Jesus states, 'Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.'

The word eternal in both instances, is translated from the orignal Greek word 'aionious'.

Aionios can have 3 meanings.

1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
2)without beginning
or
3) without end, never to cease, everlasting
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1) Again, there's an entire category of experiences, that are not NDEs or OBEs. In which the person still sees Jesus, come across veridical info, experience miraculous healings.

2) If you think I'm not posting the full range of experiences, then you try to find, several current cases (that aren't NDEs), where the person sees Muhammad, Buddha, Krisha, etc. Who also come across veridical info, and experience a miraculous healing.

Regarding the later, I'm still searching for these experiences, but didn't find any. So far these experiences, which again are not NDEs, appear to be unique with Jesus.
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Thank you for affirming what I highlighted in my earlier post.

Who said anything about Muhammed, Buddha, Krishna? Messiahs are a false construct of the physical world, they do not exist on the spiritual plane. No one saves you from this incarnation cycle until you learn that you have to save yourself.

How many NDE videos have you posted where individuals didn't see Jesus, but met their deceased family members and had other encounters?

How many NDE videos have you posted where individuals have described experiencing their life-review - where they reveal they were ultimately the judge of their own actions after experiencing the gravity of those actions from a multi-dimensional awareness?

Don't give me any of that crap about Muhammed & Buddha. They never claimed to be 'god' now did they? Neither did Jesus, but the Roman Catholic church sure did. And if you would read your Hindu NDE cases you would know that people in different regions of the world do experience meeting deities that conform to their ingrained culture beliefs.

Reincarnation is real and it's in your bible. Early christian sects taught the doctrine as well. You've got reading to do.

[link to www.near-death.com]

[link to www.near-death.com]

You can convince yourself that 'demons' told children veridical information about past lives if you please, but it won't change the Universal law that we are all subject to.
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You completely once again ignore, the cases that aren't NDEs.
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so Christians if you take SHEOL for what it is, why try to turn it into something so much more? Can't understand your own mistranslations?

You should try reading the Bible with a concordance, dictionary and Hebrew and Greek dictionaries for cross reference. Break the root words of certain stuff down and you'll see why I stopped listening a long time ago.

TOODLES
 Quoting: acegotflows


Yes, I already use a concordance, to see the original Hebrew and Greek words.
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so then you know that the LORD God is the impostor
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Nope, I know that you didn't see the original Greek words, for all the verses.

For example, in Mathew 25:46, Jesus states, 'Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.'

The word eternal in both instances, is translated from the orignal Greek word 'aionious'.

Aionios can have 3 meanings.

1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
2)without beginning
or
3) without end, never to cease, everlasting
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atually genius the word HELL is not in the bible. AT ALL. IN HEBREW or GREEK. Sheol is and that is a given. Adding meaning to stuff after the fact is just blasphemous, you know if you believe in that type of thing. The Bible is a heinous MISTRANSLATION of a deliberate mistranslation for political purposes. A relationship with "god" is totally personal. No Holy book needed.
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There's several cases that ARE NOT NDEs, in which the person still sees Jesus.
Thread: Jesus appears in room of a former Hindu

But I'm sure, you will once again, ignore the fact I stated, multiple times now, that these are NOT NDEs.

Do you no what the word 'NOT' means?
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Yes, I already use a concordance, to see the original Hebrew and Greek words.
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so then you know that the LORD God is the impostor
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Nope, I know that you didn't see the original Greek words, for all the verses.

For example, in Mathew 25:46, Jesus states, 'Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.'

The word eternal in both instances, is translated from the orignal Greek word 'aionious'.

Aionios can have 3 meanings.

1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
2)without beginning
or
3) without end, never to cease, everlasting
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atually genius the word HELL is not in the bible. AT ALL. IN HEBREW or GREEK. Sheol is and that is a given. Adding meaning to stuff after the fact is just blasphemous, you know if you believe in that type of thing. The Bible is a heinous MISTRANSLATION of a deliberate mistranslation for political purposes. A relationship with "god" is totally personal. No Holy book needed.
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lol, so you ignore Jesus stating 'eternal' punishment. Don't worry about the multiple mistranslations, take your own advice, and see the original Greek word.
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once again JESUS is a concept. NOT A PERSON. If you identify with Jesus that's great. Does not make you right and others wrong. But doing the BETTER THAN thing is NOT very Jesus like at all
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atually genius the word HELL is not in the bible. AT ALL. IN HEBREW or GREEK. Sheol is and that is a given. Adding meaning to stuff after the fact is just blasphemous, you know if you believe in that type of thing. The Bible is a heinous MISTRANSLATION of a deliberate mistranslation for political purposes. A relationship with "god" is totally personal. No Holy book needed.
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ohyeah

But it's the 'word of God' as approved by King James and the various men who transcribed/edited/censored the texts!

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once again JESUS is a concept. NOT A PERSON. If you identify with Jesus that's great. Does not make you right and others wrong. But doing the BETTER THAN thing is NOT very Jesus like at all
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In your stage of learning and searching, this may be your personal view, but I highly disagree, based on my research.
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ETERNAL punishment is the anguish for NOT GETTING IT OFF YOUR CHEST WHEN YOU HAD THE CHANCE. And even your bible says you get a chance to get it right IN THE END. I guess you never made it that far...
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atually genius the word HELL is not in the bible. AT ALL. IN HEBREW or GREEK. Sheol is and that is a given. Adding meaning to stuff after the fact is just blasphemous, you know if you believe in that type of thing. The Bible is a heinous MISTRANSLATION of a deliberate mistranslation for political purposes. A relationship with "god" is totally personal. No Holy book needed.
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ohyeah

But it's the 'word of God' as approved by King James and the various men who transcribed/edited/censored the texts!
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Good job, at ignoring that these aren't NDEs, as I expected you would.
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Suicide is a PERMANENT solution to a Temprary problem.

If you wait a day or two, things always seem to resolve themselves. - I know, 'cause I've been there.

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ETERNAL punishment is the anguish for NOT GETTING IT OFF YOUR CHEST WHEN YOU HAD THE CHANCE. And even your bible says you get a chance to get it right IN THE END. I guess you never made it that far...
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If you had a chance to get it right, it wouldn't be eternal punishment would it?

Also why quote scriptures now? I thought you believed it was all false, or mistranslations.
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once again JESUS is a concept. NOT A PERSON. If you identify with Jesus that's great. Does not make you right and others wrong. But doing the BETTER THAN thing is NOT very Jesus like at all
 Quoting: acegotflows


In your stage of learning and searching, this may be your personal view, but I highly disagree, based on my research.
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so I guess the verses that said that Jesus Christ was a title don't mean much to you. Wonderful, counselor, everlasting father, prince of peace, anointed one- all descriptions.

Adjectives are LOST on you apparently
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ETERNAL punishment is the anguish for NOT GETTING IT OFF YOUR CHEST WHEN YOU HAD THE CHANCE. And even your bible says you get a chance to get it right IN THE END. I guess you never made it that far...
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If you had a chance to get it right, it wouldn't be eternal punishment would it?

Also why quote scriptures now? I thought you believed it was all false, or mistranslations.
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I was raised in that cult. You want to talk about it? I know their lies very well
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once again JESUS is a concept. NOT A PERSON. If you identify with Jesus that's great. Does not make you right and others wrong. But doing the BETTER THAN thing is NOT very Jesus like at all
 Quoting: acegotflows


In your stage of learning and searching, this may be your personal view, but I highly disagree, based on my research.
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so I guess the verses that said that Jesus Christ was a title don't mean much to you. Wonderful, counselor, everlasting father, prince of peace, anointed one- all descriptions.

Adjectives are LOST on you apparently
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A title doesn't killed on the cross. But I guess, you're going to ignore this.
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stick it out for a little longer. The end is coming and you are most likely going to die anyway.
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ETERNAL punishment is the anguish for NOT GETTING IT OFF YOUR CHEST WHEN YOU HAD THE CHANCE. And even your bible says you get a chance to get it right IN THE END. I guess you never made it that far...
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If you had a chance to get it right, it wouldn't be eternal punishment would it?

Also why quote scriptures now? I thought you believed it was all false, or mistranslations.
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I was raised in that cult. You want to talk about it? I know their lies very well
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There are many denominations, your single cult, doesn't represent the beliefs of all denominations.
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I would say, "Watch some Near Death Experiences" on You Tube.
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once again JESUS is a concept. NOT A PERSON. If you identify with Jesus that's great. Does not make you right and others wrong. But doing the BETTER THAN thing is NOT very Jesus like at all
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In your stage of learning and searching, this may be your personal view, but I highly disagree, based on my research.
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so I guess the verses that said that Jesus Christ was a title don't mean much to you. Wonderful, counselor, everlasting father, prince of peace, anointed one- all descriptions.

Adjectives are LOST on you apparently
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A title doesn't killed on the cross. But I guess, you're going to ignore this.
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the cross is how they fool us. They take 4 dimensions and teach you to ignore them by putting the holy trinity as the god head IGNORING the 4th dimension INTENT. That's the hell you might want to look into. I'm just trying to save you the trouble of finding out on your own...
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In your stage of learning and searching, this may be your personal view, but I highly disagree, based on my research.
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so I guess the verses that said that Jesus Christ was a title don't mean much to you. Wonderful, counselor, everlasting father, prince of peace, anointed one- all descriptions.

Adjectives are LOST on you apparently
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A title doesn't killed on the cross. But I guess, you're going to ignore this.
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the cross is how they fool us. They take 4 dimensions and teach you to ignore them by putting the holy trinity as the god head IGNORING the 4th dimension INTENT. That's the hell you might want to look into. I'm just trying to save you the trouble of finding out on your own...
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Yes I studied intent, there were many channeled teachings, including new research based on quantum physics, that also speak of intent.

Intent, is not the epitome of truth.
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Re: what would you say to someone that wanted to kill themselves?
Good job, at ignoring that these aren't NDEs, as I expected you would.
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I asked you why you never posted NDE's about the experiences I described. You won't address the matter directly.

I'm not here to disprove any video that you post, only to highlight the fact that you intentionally provide a subjective & incomplete portrayal of this complicated subject matter.

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