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what would you say to someone that wanted to kill themselves?

 
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I would reason with him saying, "Maybe there's no consequences to what you're planning to do. But then again, maybe there are consequences. Maybe death by suicide is really bad for the after life. Worse than what you're going through now. You have a fifty fifty chance of being wrong, and considering the luck you're having. I wouldn't take the chance."
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there's a reason why they say never talk to strangers. Now you opened a neural path for a killer to walk amongst the living waiting to kill himself and perhaps others.
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stranger danger has probably hurt as many children as it has saved. But on the topic I had to share this


"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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Well I presented cases, that you can't explain.

Also if you're aware as me, tell me this.

There's 2 groups of people, that have NDEs. Group one has an NDE, but aren't clinically death. The other group are clinically death, also experience an NDE.

How will their NDE experience be different?

If you're aware as me, you would know this.
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Jesus is an embodiment of principles that the mind and body chemistry form when in a certain energy frequency. Does not make it real or fake (those are all assumptions of the mind).
 Quoting: acegotflows


Again, as stated, I said a trap people fall into, is having a personal experience and then make sweeping generalizations.

You're essentially doing this.

Why?

An overwhelming majority of cases, are seeing the exact same key features of Jesus. Which shows, it's not merely an assumption of the mind.

Also thanks for sharing your experience. There was actually another case, in which a lady too describes a very similar experience regarding the large hand, coming to move her car, and preventing her from dying.
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let me explain something to you about a programmed mind. You skipped DOES NOT MAKE IT REAL OR FAKE part along with assumptions of the mind. How can a simple mind understand ALL ENCOMPASSING? No way that it can. I make no bones about it. When something just is- you can't explain for or against.... NOTICE THAT I HAVE NOT.

you still look for validation. If you still need it, you're lost... not that you are not on the path... but you will never see what you chose to walk around. God is everything. period. You ignore the messages because you assume that there is still good vs bad. I cant tell just by your whole angle of trying to be validated in your assumptions. You read way too much into it.

that's why a mimic can't tell it's exposed. You need to put your mimic in check. You cannot make logical progressions. Something is preventing you from doing so. Whatever it is probably is a stronghold over you that gives you purpose in life because it wants to be given credence.

I don't know you. I don't do people. I do energy. Based on the words you do and the lack of being able to follow logical progression you need to go back to the drawing board. It's not a bad thing, you just need to refine your technique. You are not ask skilled as you think...

you're essentially barking up the wrong tree on this one. But I'll be happy to answer any questions you have regarding why I said what I have ...I have no shadows and no reason to hide or duck you....
 Quoting: acegotflows


You speak of logical progression, but ignore evidence, that doesn't support your logic.

You're essentially the very mimic that you describe. In addition, you state you don't know it all, and still learning, but your replies contradict this, and reveal your false humility.

In addition, there's more evidences, that I haven't even touched upon, that further verifies my claim.

You've left, a belief, and now supposedly 'think for yourself'. But you're views, which are becoming rigid and close minded, are showing you're becoming the very 'mimic' that you judge and criticize, in others.
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I would have said if you really want to kill yourself heroin is not the way. The best way is find a sturdy tree that can hold your weight. Get a rope and climb tree. Tie one end around tree and other around your neck so that it will stop your fall when you jump from tree. Now simply jump. I mean if he has nothing left to live for who can really blame him. Let him go and find peace. I know people find it hard to believe but some people really have no reason to live and you serve no purpose by lieing to them and making them suffer even a day more.
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there's a reason why they say never talk to strangers. Now you opened a neural path for a killer to walk amongst the living waiting to kill himself and perhaps others.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18237036


stranger danger has probably hurt as many children as it has saved. But on the topic I had to share this


 Quoting: acegotflows


doesn't the bible say to be kind to strangers..for ye not knoweth when in the company of angels <or something like that??
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Jesus is an embodiment of principles that the mind and body chemistry form when in a certain energy frequency. Does not make it real or fake (those are all assumptions of the mind).
 Quoting: acegotflows


Again, as stated, I said a trap people fall into, is having a personal experience and then make sweeping generalizations.

You're essentially doing this.

Why?

An overwhelming majority of cases, are seeing the exact same key features of Jesus. Which shows, it's not merely an assumption of the mind.

Also thanks for sharing your experience. There was actually another case, in which a lady too describes a very similar experience regarding the large hand, coming to move her car, and preventing her from dying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34812179


let me explain something to you about a programmed mind. You skipped DOES NOT MAKE IT REAL OR FAKE part along with assumptions of the mind. How can a simple mind understand ALL ENCOMPASSING? No way that it can. I make no bones about it. When something just is- you can't explain for or against.... NOTICE THAT I HAVE NOT.

you still look for validation. If you still need it, you're lost... not that you are not on the path... but you will never see what you chose to walk around. God is everything. period. You ignore the messages because you assume that there is still good vs bad. I cant tell just by your whole angle of trying to be validated in your assumptions. You read way too much into it.

that's why a mimic can't tell it's exposed. You need to put your mimic in check. You cannot make logical progressions. Something is preventing you from doing so. Whatever it is probably is a stronghold over you that gives you purpose in life because it wants to be given credence.

I don't know you. I don't do people. I do energy. Based on the words you do and the lack of being able to follow logical progression you need to go back to the drawing board. It's not a bad thing, you just need to refine your technique. You are not ask skilled as you think...

you're essentially barking up the wrong tree on this one. But I'll be happy to answer any questions you have regarding why I said what I have ...I have no shadows and no reason to hide or duck you....
 Quoting: acegotflows


You speak of logical progression, but ignore evidence, that doesn't support your logic.

You're essentially the very mimic that you describe. In addition, you state you don't know it all, and still learning, but your replies contradict this, and reveal your false humility.

In addition, there's more evidences, that I haven't even touched upon, that further verifies my claim.

You've left, a belief, and now supposedly 'think for yourself'. But you're views, which are becoming rigid and close minded, are showing you're becoming the very 'mimic' that you judge and criticize, in others.
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see this is where you're stuck. You cannot come at a person who is like you and states that god just is without anything but ... YEAH that's true.

so consider who is the mimic in this situation ok? Trying to help you see yourself.. I see you ... you never know who or what you are speaking to....

consider that a friendly reminder to deal with self first. Next time you are reminded it might not be so friendly. But it won't be from me. I'm just a person.Unless you are better than me, you should just leave it at that....
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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there's a reason why they say never talk to strangers. Now you opened a neural path for a killer to walk amongst the living waiting to kill himself and perhaps others.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18237036


stranger danger has probably hurt as many children as it has saved. But on the topic I had to share this


 Quoting: acegotflows


doesn't the bible say to be kind to strangers..for ye not knoweth when in the company of angels <or something like that??
 Quoting: boltacular


very much so, but ego often ignores the message because it is already taking a stance of better than
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Again, as stated, I said a trap people fall into, is having a personal experience and then make sweeping generalizations.

You're essentially doing this.

Why?

An overwhelming majority of cases, are seeing the exact same key features of Jesus. Which shows, it's not merely an assumption of the mind.

Also thanks for sharing your experience. There was actually another case, in which a lady too describes a very similar experience regarding the large hand, coming to move her car, and preventing her from dying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34812179


let me explain something to you about a programmed mind. You skipped DOES NOT MAKE IT REAL OR FAKE part along with assumptions of the mind. How can a simple mind understand ALL ENCOMPASSING? No way that it can. I make no bones about it. When something just is- you can't explain for or against.... NOTICE THAT I HAVE NOT.

you still look for validation. If you still need it, you're lost... not that you are not on the path... but you will never see what you chose to walk around. God is everything. period. You ignore the messages because you assume that there is still good vs bad. I cant tell just by your whole angle of trying to be validated in your assumptions. You read way too much into it.

that's why a mimic can't tell it's exposed. You need to put your mimic in check. You cannot make logical progressions. Something is preventing you from doing so. Whatever it is probably is a stronghold over you that gives you purpose in life because it wants to be given credence.

I don't know you. I don't do people. I do energy. Based on the words you do and the lack of being able to follow logical progression you need to go back to the drawing board. It's not a bad thing, you just need to refine your technique. You are not ask skilled as you think...

you're essentially barking up the wrong tree on this one. But I'll be happy to answer any questions you have regarding why I said what I have ...I have no shadows and no reason to hide or duck you....
 Quoting: acegotflows


You speak of logical progression, but ignore evidence, that doesn't support your logic.

You're essentially the very mimic that you describe. In addition, you state you don't know it all, and still learning, but your replies contradict this, and reveal your false humility.

In addition, there's more evidences, that I haven't even touched upon, that further verifies my claim.

You've left, a belief, and now supposedly 'think for yourself'. But you're views, which are becoming rigid and close minded, are showing you're becoming the very 'mimic' that you judge and criticize, in others.
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see this is where you're stuck. You cannot come at a person who is like you and states that god just is without anything but ... YEAH that's true.

so consider who is the mimic in this situation ok? Trying to help you see yourself.. I see you ... you never know who or what you are speaking to....

consider that a friendly reminder to deal with self first. Next time you are reminded it might not be so friendly. But it won't be from me. I'm just a person.Unless you are better than me, you should just leave it at that....
 Quoting: acegotflows


There's a group of people, who 'mimic' one another by stating God, is without nothing.

Just because this isn't a religion, they still mimic this same belief.

Again, you're becoming the very thing, that you judge about others.
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let me explain something to you about a programmed mind. You skipped DOES NOT MAKE IT REAL OR FAKE part along with assumptions of the mind. How can a simple mind understand ALL ENCOMPASSING? No way that it can. I make no bones about it. When something just is- you can't explain for or against.... NOTICE THAT I HAVE NOT.

you still look for validation. If you still need it, you're lost... not that you are not on the path... but you will never see what you chose to walk around. God is everything. period. You ignore the messages because you assume that there is still good vs bad. I cant tell just by your whole angle of trying to be validated in your assumptions. You read way too much into it.

that's why a mimic can't tell it's exposed. You need to put your mimic in check. You cannot make logical progressions. Something is preventing you from doing so. Whatever it is probably is a stronghold over you that gives you purpose in life because it wants to be given credence.

I don't know you. I don't do people. I do energy. Based on the words you do and the lack of being able to follow logical progression you need to go back to the drawing board. It's not a bad thing, you just need to refine your technique. You are not ask skilled as you think...

you're essentially barking up the wrong tree on this one. But I'll be happy to answer any questions you have regarding why I said what I have ...I have no shadows and no reason to hide or duck you....
 Quoting: acegotflows


You speak of logical progression, but ignore evidence, that doesn't support your logic.

You're essentially the very mimic that you describe. In addition, you state you don't know it all, and still learning, but your replies contradict this, and reveal your false humility.

In addition, there's more evidences, that I haven't even touched upon, that further verifies my claim.

You've left, a belief, and now supposedly 'think for yourself'. But you're views, which are becoming rigid and close minded, are showing you're becoming the very 'mimic' that you judge and criticize, in others.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34812179

see this is where you're stuck. You cannot come at a person who is like you and states that god just is without anything but ... YEAH that's true.

so consider who is the mimic in this situation ok? Trying to help you see yourself.. I see you ... you never know who or what you are speaking to....

consider that a friendly reminder to deal with self first. Next time you are reminded it might not be so friendly. But it won't be from me. I'm just a person.Unless you are better than me, you should just leave it at that....
 Quoting: acegotflows


There's a group of people, who 'mimic' one another by stating God, is without nothing.

Just because this isn't a religion, they still mimic this same belief.

Again, you're becoming the very thing, that you judge about others.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34812179


I'm just a person. I can't judge. That would require taking a position other than person. I'm not allowed to do that because I am not an authority on it. This is a trap of ego. Childlike innocence in your approach is what you are lacking. You are still not using your basic skills here. I can see it, others can as well. You might not, but if you could, then you would see how I HAVE NOT JUDGED. I'm stating observations and showing the logical progression of why my observations are speaking of what you are doing and not any judgements I have actually made. The only absolute I can say is that energy is, and that "god" just is. Cannot argue around that one. I don't. You still look for an angle on a person who has nothing to hide, nothing to fear, and is not coming as a better than.

consider that you MIGHT be the one who is off base here
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You speak of logical progression, but ignore evidence, that doesn't support your logic.

You're essentially the very mimic that you describe. In addition, you state you don't know it all, and still learning, but your replies contradict this, and reveal your false humility.

In addition, there's more evidences, that I haven't even touched upon, that further verifies my claim.

You've left, a belief, and now supposedly 'think for yourself'. But you're views, which are becoming rigid and close minded, are showing you're becoming the very 'mimic' that you judge and criticize, in others.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34812179

see this is where you're stuck. You cannot come at a person who is like you and states that god just is without anything but ... YEAH that's true.

so consider who is the mimic in this situation ok? Trying to help you see yourself.. I see you ... you never know who or what you are speaking to....

consider that a friendly reminder to deal with self first. Next time you are reminded it might not be so friendly. But it won't be from me. I'm just a person.Unless you are better than me, you should just leave it at that....
 Quoting: acegotflows


There's a group of people, who 'mimic' one another by stating God, is without nothing.

Just because this isn't a religion, they still mimic this same belief.

Again, you're becoming the very thing, that you judge about others.
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I'm just a person. I can't judge. That would require taking a position other than person. I'm not allowed to do that because I am not an authority on it. This is a trap of ego. Childlike innocence in your approach is what you are lacking. You are still not using your basic skills here. I can see it, others can as well. You might not, but if you could, then you would see how I HAVE NOT JUDGED. I'm stating observations and showing the logical progression of why my observations are speaking of what you are doing and not any judgements I have actually made. The only absolute I can say is that energy is, and that "god" just is. Cannot argue around that one. I don't. You still look for an angle on a person who has nothing to hide, nothing to fear, and is not coming as a better than.

consider that you MIGHT be the one who is off base here
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And here's an observation, if we solely used your 'childlike innocence' as you suggested, we may then state, there are large frogs, that are bigger than this earth.

With our childlike innocence, we'll ignore all evidences to the contrary, but continue to believe this, based on no evidence.
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I was walking down the street, smoking a cigarette. On the other side there was a man, late40s maybe early..

I noticed he was smoking too, so i called out, "cheers! Were both smoking cigarettes, youre on one side of the street, and im on the other!".

He crossed the street, walking towards me. When he reached me he asked me if i knew where to get some heroine...

I was kind of surprised, even for me that was pretty rare... I told him no, but good luck.. He asked me if he could find some downtown. I told him if he knows where to look, you can find anything.

He said he wantrd to kill himself, shoot up and die. He said he has no family, and nothing left.

He asked me for a cigarette, i told him, id give him 2, he doesnt kill himself...

I wish i couldve said more, but i couldnt think of anything...

What would you have said?
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In my experience as a medic, I meet about 2 suicidal patients a night. I'd say less than 5% actually want to kill them selves. The rest just want attention.
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see this is where you're stuck. You cannot come at a person who is like you and states that god just is without anything but ... YEAH that's true.

so consider who is the mimic in this situation ok? Trying to help you see yourself.. I see you ... you never know who or what you are speaking to....

consider that a friendly reminder to deal with self first. Next time you are reminded it might not be so friendly. But it won't be from me. I'm just a person.Unless you are better than me, you should just leave it at that....
 Quoting: acegotflows


There's a group of people, who 'mimic' one another by stating God, is without nothing.

Just because this isn't a religion, they still mimic this same belief.

Again, you're becoming the very thing, that you judge about others.
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I'm just a person. I can't judge. That would require taking a position other than person. I'm not allowed to do that because I am not an authority on it. This is a trap of ego. Childlike innocence in your approach is what you are lacking. You are still not using your basic skills here. I can see it, others can as well. You might not, but if you could, then you would see how I HAVE NOT JUDGED. I'm stating observations and showing the logical progression of why my observations are speaking of what you are doing and not any judgements I have actually made. The only absolute I can say is that energy is, and that "god" just is. Cannot argue around that one. I don't. You still look for an angle on a person who has nothing to hide, nothing to fear, and is not coming as a better than.

consider that you MIGHT be the one who is off base here
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And here's an observation, if we solely used your 'childlike innocence' as you suggested, we may then state, there are large frogs, that are bigger than this earth.

With our childlike innocence, we'll ignore all evidences to the contrary, but continue to believe this, based on no evidence.
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do you even know what you're talking about at this point? Evidence of others cannot prove what you know from your own. You can only respect it and take it as a grain of salt just as your own. As I do. Only absolutes I will say is that I'm energy having a human experience and that "god" is everything and just is. No angle to be had no good or bad, no judging.

that would require me not being innocent in my view because it is taking a stance other than human and being limited in understanding (which by being in this body and mind I am)

so once again.... you're barking up the wrong tree here and I keep putting you back where you need to look. If you keep chasing your tail on this you're not gonna do much besides dig a hole deeper and deeper.

you're the one who asked ME remember? You're just trying to confirm what YOU BELIEVE to be. You said as much

"If you're aware as me, you would know this."

that is a HUGE assumption that you KNOW anything at all. Rather egotistical of a statement I would think.

I don't claim to be anything but a person telling my story. That much can be proven.
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I was working as a deckhand on a tugboat and fell between a deep sea boat and a barge. Crushed by two walls of steal.
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I was in ICU for 2 weeks. 3 weeks in the respiratory lung recovery. Morphine was my friend. Could have been all there was. But I know hallucingens, and this was altogether different. Plus I was told afterwards I was in and out of death, or at least the machines told them so...

Where I was, however, was in a different world,,,, then in a different dimension, then in a different time, far far away. And what I learned, the training, the practice, the trial and error, and the testing to gain strength, to overcome many debilities, to fight just so I could obtain in the end supernatural powers and begin a quest I still dont understand -- this over a 2 week period...
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As far as I remember, my first trial was to meet with my crew of the tugboat. Strangely, we were tied up at a military dock where a US destroyer was tied. On shore the Americans and my crew were celebrating, there was entertainment,,, I was deathly ill from my accident but they paid no attention. I propped myself up uncomfortably and tried to ignore my condition, to try and enjoy the show. I couldnt stand it, and eventually slumped down. Someone grabbed me and brought me to the clinic aboard the destroyer. (just a side note,,, I have never been in the military and I have never been on a destroyer). I laid down and watched the commotion of people around me. Then I dozed off...

I awoke in a room of thick sheets of plastic. Wrapped around me and forming multiple bubble chambers as far as I could see. The bubbles began to fill with water,,, I saw the water engulf me and slowly it reached my face and submerged me. I took a deep breath,,, then I let it go. I could breath it. I saw medical people observing and monitoring me. (I had never been a patient in a hospital before, and as far as I was concerned this was all real and the SOP for my condition). All liquids ejected out of every orifice, the sensation was real. I was eventually taken out, very weak, I was put in white robes, and was in a very small operations room, technicians looking at monitors, lots of knobs and buttons at their finger tips. We talked, they informed me what was going on (dont remember the words). They walked me to a transition chamber, another room, closed the door and filled it with water, again until I was submerged. I felt relieved to be out of gravity and the heavy atmosphere. Another door opened and I was let into a wonderfully weird watery world of plants and strange aliens who were propelling themselves every which way. I had my own "water car" and tried to figure out how to manage it..........
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I was walking down the street, smoking a cigarette. On the other side there was a man, late40s maybe early..

I noticed he was smoking too, so i called out, "cheers! Were both smoking cigarettes, youre on one side of the street, and im on the other!".

He crossed the street, walking towards me. When he reached me he asked me if i knew where to get some heroine...

I was kind of surprised, even for me that was pretty rare... I told him no, but good luck.. He asked me if he could find some downtown. I told him if he knows where to look, you can find anything.

He said he wantrd to kill himself, shoot up and die. He said he has no family, and nothing left.

He asked me for a cigarette, i told him, id give him 2, he doesnt kill himself...

I wish i couldve said more, but i couldnt think of anything...

What would you have said?
 Quoting: 9 34905802


In my experience as a medic, I meet about 2 suicidal patients a night. I'd say less than 5% actually want to kill them selves. The rest just want attention.
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this is very honest. Which is why if I sense that or hear it in anybody I give them attention even if it is just an ear. Sometimes that is all it takes.
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There's a group of people, who 'mimic' one another by stating God, is without nothing.

Just because this isn't a religion, they still mimic this same belief.

Again, you're becoming the very thing, that you judge about others.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34812179


I'm just a person. I can't judge. That would require taking a position other than person. I'm not allowed to do that because I am not an authority on it. This is a trap of ego. Childlike innocence in your approach is what you are lacking. You are still not using your basic skills here. I can see it, others can as well. You might not, but if you could, then you would see how I HAVE NOT JUDGED. I'm stating observations and showing the logical progression of why my observations are speaking of what you are doing and not any judgements I have actually made. The only absolute I can say is that energy is, and that "god" just is. Cannot argue around that one. I don't. You still look for an angle on a person who has nothing to hide, nothing to fear, and is not coming as a better than.

consider that you MIGHT be the one who is off base here
 Quoting: acegotflows


And here's an observation, if we solely used your 'childlike innocence' as you suggested, we may then state, there are large frogs, that are bigger than this earth.

With our childlike innocence, we'll ignore all evidences to the contrary, but continue to believe this, based on no evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34812179

that is a HUGE assumption that you KNOW anything at all. Rather egotistical of a statement I would think.
 Quoting: acegotflows


You yourself, first stated, you're just as aware as me. Let me remind you, what you stated:
but I felt that those 3 bullets were kind of an indicator that I'm aware just as you are.

From all your replies, it shows what you observe and criticise in others
you yourself are doing.
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this is very honest. Which is why if I sense that or hear it in anybody I give them attention even if it is just an ear. Sometimes that is all it takes.
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Actually, she/he said (grammatically) that she is aware, and you are not aware as she is. So, so far, she hasnt acknowledged she is on a linear quest to being aware merely being ahead of you,,, she/he has apparently already arrived! Big difference..
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I was working as a deckhand on a tugboat and fell between a deep sea boat and a barge. Crushed by two walls of steal.
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I was in ICU for 2 weeks. 3 weeks in the respiratory lung recovery. Morphine was my friend. Could have been all there was. But I know hallucingens, and this was altogether different. Plus I was told afterwards I was in and out of death, or at least the machines told them so...

Where I was, however, was in a different world,,,, then in a different dimension, then in a different time, far far away. And what I learned, the training, the practice, the trial and error, and the testing to gain strength, to overcome many debilities, to fight just so I could obtain in the end supernatural powers and begin a quest I still dont understand -- this over a 2 week period...
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As far as I remember, my first trial was to meet with my crew of the tugboat. Strangely, we were tied up at a military dock where a US destroyer was tied. On shore the Americans and my crew were celebrating, there was entertainment,,, I was deathly ill from my accident but they paid no attention. I propped myself up uncomfortably and tried to ignore my condition, to try and enjoy the show. I couldnt stand it, and eventually slumped down. Someone grabbed me and brought me to the clinic aboard the destroyer. (just a side note,,, I have never been in the military and I have never been on a destroyer). I laid down and watched the commotion of people around me. Then I dozed off...

I awoke in a room of thick sheets of plastic. Wrapped around me and forming multiple bubble chambers as far as I could see. The bubbles began to fill with water,,, I saw the water engulf me and slowly it reached my face and submerged me. I took a deep breath,,, then I let it go. I could breath it. I saw medical people observing and monitoring me. (I had never been a patient in a hospital before, and as far as I was concerned this was all real and the SOP for my condition). All liquids ejected out of every orifice, the sensation was real. I was eventually taken out, very weak, I was put in white robes, and was in a very small operations room, technicians looking at monitors, lots of knobs and buttons at their finger tips. We talked, they informed me what was going on (dont remember the words). They walked me to a transition chamber, another room, closed the door and filled it with water, again until I was submerged. I felt relieved to be out of gravity and the heavy atmosphere. Another door opened and I was let into a wonderfully weird watery world of plants and strange aliens who were propelling themselves every which way. I had my own "water car" and tried to figure out how to manage it..........
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All this could be meaningless drivel and be inconsequential. But at this time I was in induced coma, no relation to reality. It's only when I woke up, that things got really interesting.....
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I was working as a deckhand on a tugboat and fell between a deep sea boat and a barge. Crushed by two walls of steal.
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I was in ICU for 2 weeks. 3 weeks in the respiratory lung recovery. Morphine was my friend. Could have been all there was. But I know hallucingens, and this was altogether different. Plus I was told afterwards I was in and out of death, or at least the machines told them so...

Where I was, however, was in a different world,,,, then in a different dimension, then in a different time, far far away. And what I learned, the training, the practice, the trial and error, and the testing to gain strength, to overcome many debilities, to fight just so I could obtain in the end supernatural powers and begin a quest I still dont understand -- this over a 2 week period...
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As far as I remember, my first trial was to meet with my crew of the tugboat. Strangely, we were tied up at a military dock where a US destroyer was tied. On shore the Americans and my crew were celebrating, there was entertainment,,, I was deathly ill from my accident but they paid no attention. I propped myself up uncomfortably and tried to ignore my condition, to try and enjoy the show. I couldnt stand it, and eventually slumped down. Someone grabbed me and brought me to the clinic aboard the destroyer. (just a side note,,, I have never been in the military and I have never been on a destroyer). I laid down and watched the commotion of people around me. Then I dozed off...

I awoke in a room of thick sheets of plastic. Wrapped around me and forming multiple bubble chambers as far as I could see. The bubbles began to fill with water,,, I saw the water engulf me and slowly it reached my face and submerged me. I took a deep breath,,, then I let it go. I could breath it. I saw medical people observing and monitoring me. (I had never been a patient in a hospital before, and as far as I was concerned this was all real and the SOP for my condition). All liquids ejected out of every orifice, the sensation was real. I was eventually taken out, very weak, I was put in white robes, and was in a very small operations room, technicians looking at monitors, lots of knobs and buttons at their finger tips. We talked, they informed me what was going on (dont remember the words). They walked me to a transition chamber, another room, closed the door and filled it with water, again until I was submerged. I felt relieved to be out of gravity and the heavy atmosphere. Another door opened and I was let into a wonderfully weird watery world of plants and strange aliens who were propelling themselves every which way. I had my own "water car" and tried to figure out how to manage it..........
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this is amazing stuff
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Did I see some one say there are no absolutes ??? Seriously? In a world full of absolutes why would it be any different beyond the grave? There is hot so hot it melts steel, cold so cold it goes beyond measure. No absolutes? Dark so dark you cannot see your hand in front of your face. Extended darkness, and isolation that causes madness. Light so bright it blinds the eyes. No absolutes? You have the cold moon, the hot sun. Water is wet. No absolutes? I'm tired of hearing this age old philosophical dribble. Of course there are absolutes. There is absolute truth. Absolute falsehood. Any one who says there is no eternity, no soul, no life after death is a fool. You cannot see it, so it's not there? Really? You have an eye TOOL, it taps into the "seeing" realm. No tool, no "seeing". Does that mean there's no such thing as color? To the blind maybe. The "man" said it good, you are all blind guides. If you don't know nothing, keep your mouth shut. The fool says, "there is no God" because he is a fool. It is becoming common knowledge in the science world, that in fact, life has come by intelligent design. Anything designed is set together by laws and principle. That is why we have LAWS AND PRINCIPLES where by we build, and we create, and we design. The cell resembles galaxies why? Because of the principle of the design. Order from the finite to infinity, therefore the after life- unseen- resembles that which is "seen" in this realm, because these things (in their kind) resemble themselves. That is why suicide is dangerous. You could be punished in a court of judgment in another realm and find you had no good excuse to do what you did. No one on this forum can say they Know for sure anything any differently.

From someone that knows the pain it causes, what it does to your family is criminal. It is the ultimate state of selfishness, it will destroy your parents and put a dark shadow over your children, and they will be tormented in their minds by it for the rest of their lives, until they get spiritual healing, if they don't follow your foot steps, first, which is more common than not.

So-

if you hate your life, then just act like your dead, that you have not life of your own, and commit yourself to a worthy cause. I promise you, you will find your life there. Ultimately, God is always the answer.
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taking two sides of something to the extreme still is not an absolute. It just is an extreme. Energy is energy. you start to label it now it is not Just energy -it is energy with intent and that is directed energy. Apply that concept to religion and naming stuff. You are calling things into being every thought you think. Your intention builds up like a bank, some call it karma. it is really more like can you see what you ask for.
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Let me ask you, there's many new age teachings, that speak about 'intent' and the 'law of attraction' as a sole basis for explaining our experiences.

Now with Buddhist monks, in particular at a monastery or temple, they do nothing but pray for the well-being of all, focus on good thoughts, and intend the best for all of life.

Now, how does 'intent' and the 'law of attraction' explain the past slaughter of countless of Tibetan monks, or the past and current attacks and killings of Theravadan monks?
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I was working as a deckhand on a tugboat and fell between a deep sea boat and a barge. Crushed by two walls of steal.
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I was in ICU for 2 weeks. 3 weeks in the respiratory lung recovery. Morphine was my friend. Could have been all there was. But I know hallucingens, and this was altogether different. Plus I was told afterwards I was in and out of death, or at least the machines told them so...

Where I was, however, was in a different world,,,, then in a different dimension, then in a different time, far far away. And what I learned, the training, the practice, the trial and error, and the testing to gain strength, to overcome many debilities, to fight just so I could obtain in the end supernatural powers and begin a quest I still dont understand -- this over a 2 week period...
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As far as I remember, my first trial was to meet with my crew of the tugboat. Strangely, we were tied up at a military dock where a US destroyer was tied. On shore the Americans and my crew were celebrating, there was entertainment,,, I was deathly ill from my accident but they paid no attention. I propped myself up uncomfortably and tried to ignore my condition, to try and enjoy the show. I couldnt stand it, and eventually slumped down. Someone grabbed me and brought me to the clinic aboard the destroyer. (just a side note,,, I have never been in the military and I have never been on a destroyer). I laid down and watched the commotion of people around me. Then I dozed off...

I awoke in a room of thick sheets of plastic. Wrapped around me and forming multiple bubble chambers as far as I could see. The bubbles began to fill with water,,, I saw the water engulf me and slowly it reached my face and submerged me. I took a deep breath,,, then I let it go. I could breath it. I saw medical people observing and monitoring me. (I had never been a patient in a hospital before, and as far as I was concerned this was all real and the SOP for my condition). All liquids ejected out of every orifice, the sensation was real. I was eventually taken out, very weak, I was put in white robes, and was in a very small operations room, technicians looking at monitors, lots of knobs and buttons at their finger tips. We talked, they informed me what was going on (dont remember the words). They walked me to a transition chamber, another room, closed the door and filled it with water, again until I was submerged. I felt relieved to be out of gravity and the heavy atmosphere. Another door opened and I was let into a wonderfully weird watery world of plants and strange aliens who were propelling themselves every which way. I had my own "water car" and tried to figure out how to manage it..........
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this is amazing stuff
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What "really" happened up to this point was that after the 2 walls of steel came in on me, the wind bringing 100s of tons of steel to crush me, I knew it was inescapable, but I had several minutes to contemplate the situation. I accepted my fate, in fact I judged my life and deduced that this end would be best...

When the steel arrived, however, I dutifully resisted as any ant would avoiding the hot embers of fire. Fighting with steel, as with fire, is a losing battle. In the end, though, my instinct to live made it worse as the small space unpredictably afforded me was lost when I turned sideways to push against the walls of steel. Of course, I lost. They crushed me mercilessly. I heard, not felt, my ribs shatter....

I floated upright as my life preserver was meant to do. I looked to the blazing blue sky. More brilliant than normal. I was conscious. After several minutes, who knows how long, to catch notice of a Zodiac approaching filled with men. One lifted me, immediately I felt my body was damaged. We took off. One man talked to me, noticed I was conscious and assured me, soothed me. We eventually reached shore, ambulance waiting, more painful jerking and jostling to get me in there,,,, Then drugs... Bye bye...
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but your breathing right now, so you have something its called life. weall live to see another day, we have to be strong and not a coward, just because you feel you must have people and things, whats important is you.
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"Undivided attention"
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Did I see some one say there are no absolutes ??? Seriously? In a world full of absolutes why would it be any different beyond the grave? There is hot so hot it melts steel, cold so cold it goes beyond measure. No absolutes? Dark so dark you cannot see your hand in front of your face. Extended darkness, and isolation that causes madness. Light so bright it blinds the eyes. No absolutes? You have the cold moon, the hot sun. Water is wet. No absolutes? I'm tired of hearing this age old philosophical dribble. Of course there are absolutes. There is absolute truth. Absolute falsehood. Any one who says there is no eternity, no soul, no life after death is a fool. You cannot see it, so it's not there? Really? You have an eye TOOL, it taps into the "seeing" realm. No tool, no "seeing". Does that mean there's no such thing as color? To the blind maybe. The "man" said it good, you are all blind guides. If you don't know nothing, keep your mouth shut. The fool says, "there is no God" because he is a fool. It is becoming common knowledge in the science world, that in fact, life has come by intelligent design. Anything designed is set together by laws and principle. That is why we have LAWS AND PRINCIPLES where by we build, and we create, and we design. The cell resembles galaxies why? Because of the principle of the design. Order from the finite to infinity, therefore the after life- unseen- resembles that which is "seen" in this realm, because these things (in their kind) resemble themselves. That is why suicide is dangerous. You could be punished in a court of judgment in another realm and find you had no good excuse to do what you did. No one on this forum can say they Know for sure anything any differently.

From someone that knows the pain it causes, what it does to your family is criminal. It is the ultimate state of selfishness, it will destroy your parents and put a dark shadow over your children, and they will be tormented in their minds by it for the rest of their lives, until they get spiritual healing, if they don't follow your foot steps, first, which is more common than not.

So-

if you hate your life, then just act like your dead, that you have not life of your own, and commit yourself to a worthy cause. I promise you, you will find your life there. Ultimately, God is always the answer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11261416


taking two sides of something to the extreme still is not an absolute. It just is an extreme. Energy is energy. you start to label it now it is not Just energy -it is energy with intent and that is directed energy. Apply that concept to religion and naming stuff. You are calling things into being every thought you think. Your intention builds up like a bank, some call it karma. it is really more like can you see what you ask for.
 Quoting: acegotflows


Let me ask you, there's many new age teachings, that speak about 'intent' and the 'law of attraction' as a sole basis for explaining our experiences.

Now with Buddhist monks, in particular at a monastery or temple, they do nothing but pray for the well-being of all, focus on good thoughts, and intend the best for all of life.

Now, how does 'intent' and the 'law of attraction' explain the past slaughter of countless of Tibetan monks, or the past and current attacks and killings of Theravadan monks?
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the real question at hand is WHOSE intent.

you don't understand the VASTNESS of what's at hand

Scientifically I will share to you some stuff that is known by government types

spirits and energy are everywhere. Imagine that there are 4 dimensions to everything instead of just 3. So you have past present future and POSSIBLE. think of time as just a measure on entropy. The age we live in is entropic. It is destructive because of the intent of those that wish to stay in control here. If man is a co-creator (everything affects everything) then you have to take a logical look. Are things getting BETTER? or are people getting more full of fear? If you look at it objectively and honestly you see that the PROGRAMMING is what is at fault. Us not being taught honest and real concepts to keep us in a pattern of predictability.

if a certain group wrote the Bible and maintains the storyline, is it really TRUE? What about the astrological aspects?

Well if you look into the history of modern religions you have to go back to India and that is where the ISSUE lies. Too many sects of different religions and different gods. Does not mean it is or not true, but just follow the history ok.

so you have ZOROASTER and the magik stuff
you have the Jesus concept and the spiritual
you have the Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma (trinity concept)

now throw that all together and that is the closest thing to CHRISTIANITY as you can get. So when you look at it, you can't see up from down or which way to go because of how MANY COMPOSITE things are in it.

so trying to explain an experience like Jesus is lost because it goes back to WHOSE intent. It is not easily explained. It is hard to logically decipher because most leaders are egotistical madmen who worship POWER over responsibility. They don't often care where the power comes from and at what cost.

So now that I've said all that, consider that energy is neither created nor destroyed and that we can only observe 1% of ANYTHING around us based on the spectrum as we are allowed to sense it.

You can pull energy from anything, but WHAT are you pulling, what are you feeding, what is it doing TO YOU, what is it doing for you?

INTENT is the biggest issue we have as chemicals often decide our intent over free will.

WHAT has happened as to why the slaughters have happened is that DARK energy is the master here. VERY LOW VIOLENT VIBRANT frequency. If your mind allowed you to sense it all at once you would go mad from the FREQUENCY. Sometimes you might hear a hum.

ALL OF THIS THAT I AM SAYING IS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE if you take the time to piece it together.

dark energy has been fed so long that they have to constantly sacrifice to keep it at bay. Abortions work because it gets babies before they can add to the imbalance. The powers that be don't see it as murder, they see it as a ritualistic sacrifice to not have their power base encroached upon

certain sects and groups KNOW stuff just by tradition and such.They often die or are killed off because of their minds and their traditions, not because of being a threat. And then that info is BURIED as to keep the elite in their ranks

We are just here dealing with a mess that is so vast and total that you can't even begin to wrap your head around it. I've tried

so you cannot EXPLAIN it. Trying is just going to piss people off because we have been taught none of this and it contradicts PROGRAMMING. Logic and programming can't gel. So unless you ditch logic you ditch programming. That is why all of our info, even language is DISINFO and misdirect, so we never can get a lead to follow. Consider me a dot connector who didn't get killed yet. That is why I cannot judge, I cannot pick a side other than human and people and I cannot explain why I know what I know without PAGES AND PAGES of stuff. My supernatural experiences are just that, and we tend to sensationalize them because they are different and they generate interest. I am over that. I'm trying to piece together WHY we are here, not what happens later.

IT IS VAST undertaking and I hope that gives you a little insight as to why I know a mimic and can tell when somebody is barking up the wrong tree.You have to consider SO many aspects to things that just taking an angle other than observer is already messing you up because NOW YOU ARE AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT. Words and our way we share are still intended energy.

EVERY THOUGHT CHOICE AND DECISION is energy at use. You don't know what you are feeding by your thoughts and deeds.

I apologize if I am all over the place, but that is how far this thing spreads, so some do feel helpless because they feel SO out of place and alone. Which is why picking sides against people or ideas is dangerous because you never know WHO or what you are talking with.

Just sharing. Not judging or telling you I'm right. I'm learning and Im far from smart or knowledgeable on this stuff. I just approach it with childlike innocence so I can at least TRY and get a grasp on it. Our imagination is what lower level energy stuff wants. It can't feel but it can control our minds (this is why PROGRAMMING IS KEY) to feed it.

This is a very condensed and concise answer just based on your simple questions. See how much you have to consider just off SIMPLE QUESTIONS?

And I don't even KNOW the history yet. This is just the lines that I've learned to pay attention to.

Once again I apologize for the extended reply that might sound like ranting. It's not. It's just overwhelming
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I survived a self inflicted gun shot wound through the middle of me when I was a teenager. Here is what I say to people when I council suicidal people and I have been asked to speak to them: Background (I was 16. I am 43. I grew up in an abusive home and used suicide to set me free from the mental/emotional distress. I exhibited many of the classic signs/symptoms of suicidal people for 7 months).

At the time, prior to pulling the trigger I was 100 percent certain I wanted to die. It's difficult to understand something until you live it. I could never fully understand what it is to give birth to a baby. I could only read, attend child birth classes with my spouse, watch Discovery Health but until I lived it, I would never understand it. With no understanding of death I thought I wanted it. Until the rifle went off.

Here's the problem with suicide. It's like the people that were on that cruise ship that broke down. Crappy situation all around. But, the ship made it back to port and the passengers were able to disembark and continue on with life. They hated it. Regretted it. They had the chance to go on with life. If you kill yourself, there's the moment when you leave this world to move on to the next world. There's almost no room for regret. I regretted pulling the trigger but it was too late once the bullet left. I wanted to get off the ground and leave that place but I couldn't. I realized I would never see what the next day would bring. I found reasons to live. I realized I wanted to grow up one day and be a father myself and provide a home for another child that I didn't have. This person you encountered surely had 1 joy. We all have at least 1. If you kill yourself you deny yourself the liberty to enjoy that 1 thing the next day. If you can focus on that 1 thing. Even if it's a smoke and a cup of coffee you are making a mistake if you deny yourself. The point is you live to see another day. You crawl to another day and so on. Eventually life does get better. It did for me. I was blessed with a second chance at life. It's not been easy. I have been homeless in my late twenties but again, life gets better. I lost my job in September and have been through a very rough bout of depression over this past year but, it's getting better. It always does. That's just life. Never quit on yourself.

It comes down to choice. You choose today. Suicide denies you choice, it really does. If you shoot yourself today or let go of the ledge you lose the next days liberty of choice.
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I was in ICU for 2 weeks. 3 weeks in the respiratory lung recovery. Morphine was my friend. Could have been all there was. But I know hallucingens, and this was altogether different. Plus I was told afterwards I was in and out of death, or at least the machines told them so...

Where I was, however, was in a different world,,,, then in a different dimension, then in a different time, far far away. And what I learned, the training, the practice, the trial and error, and the testing to gain strength, to overcome many debilities, to fight just so I could obtain in the end supernatural powers and begin a quest I still dont understand -- this over a 2 week period...
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As far as I remember, my first trial was to meet with my crew of the tugboat. Strangely, we were tied up at a military dock where a US destroyer was tied. On shore the Americans and my crew were celebrating, there was entertainment,,, I was deathly ill from my accident but they paid no attention. I propped myself up uncomfortably and tried to ignore my condition, to try and enjoy the show. I couldnt stand it, and eventually slumped down. Someone grabbed me and brought me to the clinic aboard the destroyer. (just a side note,,, I have never been in the military and I have never been on a destroyer). I laid down and watched the commotion of people around me. Then I dozed off...

I awoke in a room of thick sheets of plastic. Wrapped around me and forming multiple bubble chambers as far as I could see. The bubbles began to fill with water,,, I saw the water engulf me and slowly it reached my face and submerged me. I took a deep breath,,, then I let it go. I could breath it. I saw medical people observing and monitoring me. (I had never been a patient in a hospital before, and as far as I was concerned this was all real and the SOP for my condition). All liquids ejected out of every orifice, the sensation was real. I was eventually taken out, very weak, I was put in white robes, and was in a very small operations room, technicians looking at monitors, lots of knobs and buttons at their finger tips. We talked, they informed me what was going on (dont remember the words). They walked me to a transition chamber, another room, closed the door and filled it with water, again until I was submerged. I felt relieved to be out of gravity and the heavy atmosphere. Another door opened and I was let into a wonderfully weird watery world of plants and strange aliens who were propelling themselves every which way. I had my own "water car" and tried to figure out how to manage it..........
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this is amazing stuff
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What "really" happened up to this point was that after the 2 walls of steel came in on me, the wind bringing 100s of tons of steel to crush me, I knew it was inescapable, but I had several minutes to contemplate the situation. I accepted my fate, in fact I judged my life and deduced that this end would be best...

When the steel arrived, however, I dutifully resisted as any ant would avoiding the hot embers of fire. Fighting with steel, as with fire, is a losing battle. In the end, though, my instinct to live made it worse as the small space unpredictably afforded me was lost when I turned sideways to push against the walls of steel. Of course, I lost. They crushed me mercilessly. I heard, not felt, my ribs shatter....

I floated upright as my life preserver was meant to do. I looked to the blazing blue sky. More brilliant than normal. I was conscious. After several minutes, who knows how long, to catch notice of a Zodiac approaching filled with men. One lifted me, immediately I felt my body was damaged. We took off. One man talked to me, noticed I was conscious and assured me, soothed me. We eventually reached shore, ambulance waiting, more painful jerking and jostling to get me in there,,,, Then drugs... Bye bye...
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My first awakening to the real hospital bed and room in the ICU was confusing to say the least. I had been in an induced coma, now I was "awake". How miserable it was! Tubes in my mouth, strapped down, tubes in my arms, machines of every sort monitoring me., unable to comminicate, nurses painfully pushing pulling me, bed ridden Xrays, listening and watching every specialst imaginable discuss my case in front of me, family visits......
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Did I see some one say there are no absolutes ??? Seriously? In a world full of absolutes why would it be any different beyond the grave? There is hot so hot it melts steel, cold so cold it goes beyond measure. No absolutes? Dark so dark you cannot see your hand in front of your face. Extended darkness, and isolation that causes madness. Light so bright it blinds the eyes. No absolutes? You have the cold moon, the hot sun. Water is wet. No absolutes? I'm tired of hearing this age old philosophical dribble. Of course there are absolutes. There is absolute truth. Absolute falsehood. Any one who says there is no eternity, no soul, no life after death is a fool. You cannot see it, so it's not there? Really? You have an eye TOOL, it taps into the "seeing" realm. No tool, no "seeing". Does that mean there's no such thing as color? To the blind maybe. The "man" said it good, you are all blind guides. If you don't know nothing, keep your mouth shut. The fool says, "there is no God" because he is a fool. It is becoming common knowledge in the science world, that in fact, life has come by intelligent design. Anything designed is set together by laws and principle. That is why we have LAWS AND PRINCIPLES where by we build, and we create, and we design. The cell resembles galaxies why? Because of the principle of the design. Order from the finite to infinity, therefore the after life- unseen- resembles that which is "seen" in this realm, because these things (in their kind) resemble themselves. That is why suicide is dangerous. You could be punished in a court of judgment in another realm and find you had no good excuse to do what you did. No one on this forum can say they Know for sure anything any differently.

From someone that knows the pain it causes, what it does to your family is criminal. It is the ultimate state of selfishness, it will destroy your parents and put a dark shadow over your children, and they will be tormented in their minds by it for the rest of their lives, until they get spiritual healing, if they don't follow your foot steps, first, which is more common than not.

So-

if you hate your life, then just act like your dead, that you have not life of your own, and commit yourself to a worthy cause. I promise you, you will find your life there. Ultimately, God is always the answer.
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taking two sides of something to the extreme still is not an absolute. It just is an extreme. Energy is energy. you start to label it now it is not Just energy -it is energy with intent and that is directed energy. Apply that concept to religion and naming stuff. You are calling things into being every thought you think. Your intention builds up like a bank, some call it karma. it is really more like can you see what you ask for.
 Quoting: acegotflows


Let me ask you, there's many new age teachings, that speak about 'intent' and the 'law of attraction' as a sole basis for explaining our experiences.

Now with Buddhist monks, in particular at a monastery or temple, they do nothing but pray for the well-being of all, focus on good thoughts, and intend the best for all of life.

Now, how does 'intent' and the 'law of attraction' explain the past slaughter of countless of Tibetan monks, or the past and current attacks and killings of Theravadan monks?
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the real question at hand is WHOSE intent.

you don't understand the VASTNESS of what's at hand

Scientifically I will share to you some stuff that is known by government types

spirits and energy are everywhere. Imagine that there are 4 dimensions to everything instead of just 3. So you have past present future and POSSIBLE. think of time as just a measure on entropy. The age we live in is entropic. It is destructive because of the intent of those that wish to stay in control here. If man is a co-creator (everything affects everything) then you have to take a logical look. Are things getting BETTER? or are people getting more full of fear? If you look at it objectively and honestly you see that the PROGRAMMING is what is at fault. Us not being taught honest and real concepts to keep us in a pattern of predictability.

if a certain group wrote the Bible and maintains the storyline, is it really TRUE? What about the astrological aspects?

Well if you look into the history of modern religions you have to go back to India and that is where the ISSUE lies. Too many sects of different religions and different gods. Does not mean it is or not true, but just follow the history ok.

so you have ZOROASTER and the magik stuff
you have the Jesus concept and the spiritual
you have the Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma (trinity concept)

now throw that all together and that is the closest thing to CHRISTIANITY as you can get. So when you look at it, you can't see up from down or which way to go because of how MANY COMPOSITE things are in it.

so trying to explain an experience like Jesus is lost because it goes back to WHOSE intent. It is not easily explained. It is hard to logically decipher because most leaders are egotistical madmen who worship POWER over responsibility. They don't often care where the power comes from and at what cost.

So now that I've said all that, consider that energy is neither created nor destroyed and that we can only observe 1% of ANYTHING around us based on the spectrum as we are allowed to sense it.

You can pull energy from anything, but WHAT are you pulling, what are you feeding, what is it doing TO YOU, what is it doing for you?

INTENT is the biggest issue we have as chemicals often decide our intent over free will.

WHAT has happened as to why the slaughters have happened is that DARK energy is the master here. VERY LOW VIOLENT VIBRANT frequency. If your mind allowed you to sense it all at once you would go mad from the FREQUENCY. Sometimes you might hear a hum.

ALL OF THIS THAT I AM SAYING IS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE if you take the time to piece it together.

dark energy has been fed so long that they have to constantly sacrifice to keep it at bay. Abortions work because it gets babies before they can add to the imbalance. The powers that be don't see it as murder, they see it as a ritualistic sacrifice to not have their power base encroached upon

certain sects and groups KNOW stuff just by tradition and such.They often die or are killed off because of their minds and their traditions, not because of being a threat. And then that info is BURIED as to keep the elite in their ranks

We are just here dealing with a mess that is so vast and total that you can't even begin to wrap your head around it. I've tried

so you cannot EXPLAIN it. Trying is just going to piss people off because we have been taught none of this and it contradicts PROGRAMMING. Logic and programming can't gel. So unless you ditch logic you ditch programming. That is why all of our info, even language is DISINFO and misdirect, so we never can get a lead to follow. Consider me a dot connector who didn't get killed yet. That is why I cannot judge, I cannot pick a side other than human and people and I cannot explain why I know what I know without PAGES AND PAGES of stuff. My supernatural experiences are just that, and we tend to sensationalize them because they are different and they generate interest. I am over that. I'm trying to piece together WHY we are here, not what happens later.

IT IS VAST undertaking and I hope that gives you a little insight as to why I know a mimic and can tell when somebody is barking up the wrong tree.You have to consider SO many aspects to things that just taking an angle other than observer is already messing you up because NOW YOU ARE AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT. Words and our way we share are still intended energy.

EVERY THOUGHT CHOICE AND DECISION is energy at use. You don't know what you are feeding by your thoughts and deeds.

I apologize if I am all over the place, but that is how far this thing spreads, so some do feel helpless because they feel SO out of place and alone. Which is why picking sides against people or ideas is dangerous because you never know WHO or what you are talking with.

Just sharing. Not judging or telling you I'm right. I'm learning and Im far from smart or knowledgeable on this stuff. I just approach it with childlike innocence so I can at least TRY and get a grasp on it. Our imagination is what lower level energy stuff wants. It can't feel but it can control our minds (this is why PROGRAMMING IS KEY) to feed it.

This is a very condensed and concise answer just based on your simple questions. See how much you have to consider just off SIMPLE QUESTIONS?

And I don't even KNOW the history yet. This is just the lines that I've learned to pay attention to.

Once again I apologize for the extended reply that might sound like ranting. It's not. It's just overwhelming
 Quoting: acegotflows


as to why I know a mimic and can tell when somebody is barking up the wrong tree


As stated, you're views are very similar to what you find in most new age books. And you state, others are mimic, but you in actuality are mimicking a lot of new age beliefs, which many people also repeat and believe.
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taking two sides of something to the extreme still is not an absolute. It just is an extreme. Energy is energy. you start to label it now it is not Just energy -it is energy with intent and that is directed energy. Apply that concept to religion and naming stuff. You are calling things into being every thought you think. Your intention builds up like a bank, some call it karma. it is really more like can you see what you ask for.
 Quoting: acegotflows


Let me ask you, there's many new age teachings, that speak about 'intent' and the 'law of attraction' as a sole basis for explaining our experiences.

Now with Buddhist monks, in particular at a monastery or temple, they do nothing but pray for the well-being of all, focus on good thoughts, and intend the best for all of life.

Now, how does 'intent' and the 'law of attraction' explain the past slaughter of countless of Tibetan monks, or the past and current attacks and killings of Theravadan monks?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34812179


the real question at hand is WHOSE intent.

you don't understand the VASTNESS of what's at hand

Scientifically I will share to you some stuff that is known by government types

spirits and energy are everywhere. Imagine that there are 4 dimensions to everything instead of just 3. So you have past present future and POSSIBLE. think of time as just a measure on entropy. The age we live in is entropic. It is destructive because of the intent of those that wish to stay in control here. If man is a co-creator (everything affects everything) then you have to take a logical look. Are things getting BETTER? or are people getting more full of fear? If you look at it objectively and honestly you see that the PROGRAMMING is what is at fault. Us not being taught honest and real concepts to keep us in a pattern of predictability.

if a certain group wrote the Bible and maintains the storyline, is it really TRUE? What about the astrological aspects?

Well if you look into the history of modern religions you have to go back to India and that is where the ISSUE lies. Too many sects of different religions and different gods. Does not mean it is or not true, but just follow the history ok.

so you have ZOROASTER and the magik stuff
you have the Jesus concept and the spiritual
you have the Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma (trinity concept)

now throw that all together and that is the closest thing to CHRISTIANITY as you can get. So when you look at it, you can't see up from down or which way to go because of how MANY COMPOSITE things are in it.

so trying to explain an experience like Jesus is lost because it goes back to WHOSE intent. It is not easily explained. It is hard to logically decipher because most leaders are egotistical madmen who worship POWER over responsibility. They don't often care where the power comes from and at what cost.

So now that I've said all that, consider that energy is neither created nor destroyed and that we can only observe 1% of ANYTHING around us based on the spectrum as we are allowed to sense it.

You can pull energy from anything, but WHAT are you pulling, what are you feeding, what is it doing TO YOU, what is it doing for you?

INTENT is the biggest issue we have as chemicals often decide our intent over free will.

WHAT has happened as to why the slaughters have happened is that DARK energy is the master here. VERY LOW VIOLENT VIBRANT frequency. If your mind allowed you to sense it all at once you would go mad from the FREQUENCY. Sometimes you might hear a hum.

ALL OF THIS THAT I AM SAYING IS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE if you take the time to piece it together.

dark energy has been fed so long that they have to constantly sacrifice to keep it at bay. Abortions work because it gets babies before they can add to the imbalance. The powers that be don't see it as murder, they see it as a ritualistic sacrifice to not have their power base encroached upon

certain sects and groups KNOW stuff just by tradition and such.They often die or are killed off because of their minds and their traditions, not because of being a threat. And then that info is BURIED as to keep the elite in their ranks

We are just here dealing with a mess that is so vast and total that you can't even begin to wrap your head around it. I've tried

so you cannot EXPLAIN it. Trying is just going to piss people off because we have been taught none of this and it contradicts PROGRAMMING. Logic and programming can't gel. So unless you ditch logic you ditch programming. That is why all of our info, even language is DISINFO and misdirect, so we never can get a lead to follow. Consider me a dot connector who didn't get killed yet. That is why I cannot judge, I cannot pick a side other than human and people and I cannot explain why I know what I know without PAGES AND PAGES of stuff. My supernatural experiences are just that, and we tend to sensationalize them because they are different and they generate interest. I am over that. I'm trying to piece together WHY we are here, not what happens later.

IT IS VAST undertaking and I hope that gives you a little insight as to why I know a mimic and can tell when somebody is barking up the wrong tree.You have to consider SO many aspects to things that just taking an angle other than observer is already messing you up because NOW YOU ARE AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT. Words and our way we share are still intended energy.

EVERY THOUGHT CHOICE AND DECISION is energy at use. You don't know what you are feeding by your thoughts and deeds.

I apologize if I am all over the place, but that is how far this thing spreads, so some do feel helpless because they feel SO out of place and alone. Which is why picking sides against people or ideas is dangerous because you never know WHO or what you are talking with.

Just sharing. Not judging or telling you I'm right. I'm learning and Im far from smart or knowledgeable on this stuff. I just approach it with childlike innocence so I can at least TRY and get a grasp on it. Our imagination is what lower level energy stuff wants. It can't feel but it can control our minds (this is why PROGRAMMING IS KEY) to feed it.

This is a very condensed and concise answer just based on your simple questions. See how much you have to consider just off SIMPLE QUESTIONS?

And I don't even KNOW the history yet. This is just the lines that I've learned to pay attention to.

Once again I apologize for the extended reply that might sound like ranting. It's not. It's just overwhelming
 Quoting: acegotflows


as to why I know a mimic and can tell when somebody is barking up the wrong tree


As stated, you're views are very similar to what you find in most new age books. And you state, others are mimic, but you in actuality are mimicking a lot of new age beliefs, which many people also repeat and believe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34812179


so you care to actually speak about this stuff. Remember I didn't do "new age". I've said as much. I didn't ASK to find this stuff out, it just kind of happens when you dig, and you have to take a lot into consideration even trying to understand stuff. None of what I said is "new age" and the religious aspects and understandings PREDATE any concept of "jesus" that isn't composite. You really don't have a leg to stand on, unless you want to DISPROVE it. Then be my guest. Please. I want this stuff to be wrong. It's not a nice thing to think about. But consider that Christ and Jesus already are compromised just by their relative youth in a world of religions. If you are going to base your views on Jesus and Christ, you're just as LOST as Americans who think that THIS place is the best and most advanced country ever.

I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just a person who KNOWS that I don't know. But so far you haven't actually said much of anything other than parroting some stuff that is more subjective than anything.

I know mimics. You are not a good one. Even if I am one, I'm WAY better at it than you. This is not ego talking. This is a person who is not taking a stance of anything other than a person. More history has been destroyed to keep us on a certain path than anything

Just keep this in mind. Statics and spectrum. We can't measure either in a decent manner here...
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"

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