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He sounds like a societal parasite to me. Honestly, the world wouldn't miss him. Don't stress over it OP. I applaud your kindness.
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As far as I remember, my first trial was to meet with my crew of the tugboat. Strangely, we were tied up at a military dock where a US destroyer was tied. On shore the Americans and my crew were celebrating, there was entertainment,,, I was deathly ill from my accident but they paid no attention. I propped myself up uncomfortably and tried to ignore my condition, to try and enjoy the show. I couldnt stand it, and eventually slumped down. Someone grabbed me and brought me to the clinic aboard the destroyer. (just a side note,,, I have never been in the military and I have never been on a destroyer). I laid down and watched the commotion of people around me. Then I dozed off...

I awoke in a room of thick sheets of plastic. Wrapped around me and forming multiple bubble chambers as far as I could see. The bubbles began to fill with water,,, I saw the water engulf me and slowly it reached my face and submerged me. I took a deep breath,,, then I let it go. I could breath it. I saw medical people observing and monitoring me. (I had never been a patient in a hospital before, and as far as I was concerned this was all real and the SOP for my condition). All liquids ejected out of every orifice, the sensation was real. I was eventually taken out, very weak, I was put in white robes, and was in a very small operations room, technicians looking at monitors, lots of knobs and buttons at their finger tips. We talked, they informed me what was going on (dont remember the words). They walked me to a transition chamber, another room, closed the door and filled it with water, again until I was submerged. I felt relieved to be out of gravity and the heavy atmosphere. Another door opened and I was let into a wonderfully weird watery world of plants and strange aliens who were propelling themselves every which way. I had my own "water car" and tried to figure out how to manage it..........
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this is amazing stuff
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What "really" happened up to this point was that after the 2 walls of steel came in on me, the wind bringing 100s of tons of steel to crush me, I knew it was inescapable, but I had several minutes to contemplate the situation. I accepted my fate, in fact I judged my life and deduced that this end would be best...

When the steel arrived, however, I dutifully resisted as any ant would avoiding the hot embers of fire. Fighting with steel, as with fire, is a losing battle. In the end, though, my instinct to live made it worse as the small space unpredictably afforded me was lost when I turned sideways to push against the walls of steel. Of course, I lost. They crushed me mercilessly. I heard, not felt, my ribs shatter....

I floated upright as my life preserver was meant to do. I looked to the blazing blue sky. More brilliant than normal. I was conscious. After several minutes, who knows how long, to catch notice of a Zodiac approaching filled with men. One lifted me, immediately I felt my body was damaged. We took off. One man talked to me, noticed I was conscious and assured me, soothed me. We eventually reached shore, ambulance waiting, more painful jerking and jostling to get me in there,,,, Then drugs... Bye bye...
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My first awakening to the real hospital bed and room in the ICU was confusing to say the least. I had been in an induced coma, now I was "awake". How miserable it was! Tubes in my mouth, strapped down, tubes in my arms, machines of every sort monitoring me., unable to comminicate, nurses painfully pushing pulling me, bed ridden Xrays, listening and watching every specialst imaginable discuss my case in front of me, family visits......
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I still couldnt understand my handicap. I tried to communicate so logically I tried to write my thoughts. I realized something was wrong when I couldnt even lift the pen to paper.

It was probably best I couldnt tell them what I wanted. Because by that point I was completely paranoid and filled with terror. I had spent hours and hours battling with this most terrible demon. I real man, who just seem to be out to murder me. I could see him, I even notified the nurses to when he got too close. They were reassuring, they knew that ICU cases had these "delusions". Nevertheless my demon, who first materialized as a visitor with his wife, was in the waiting room with my sister. I heard them from there from my bed talking about me etc, then they began to arguing, my sister and him. I heard a smack then a thump. Then silence. I watched the wife come out of the waiting room and peek into my room and return. I heard their voices....

I became paranoid, and extremely fearful. Sure enough, the man showed himself in my room in a way to threaten me, to pull the tubes out from my mouth and body. I panicked and pushed the button for the nurses. He left....

I felt my sister was murdered.

I still couldnt communicate, the nurses increased my morphine, or whatever, assuming I was in pain and trying to "put my lights out". They left, but I never went to sleep. For 3 days I couldnt go to sleep. But I fought off this man, who managed to find every which way to get to me, presumably to kill me for me being a witness to the murder of my sister. I was absolutely terrified......
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Let me ask you, there's many new age teachings, that speak about 'intent' and the 'law of attraction' as a sole basis for explaining our experiences.

Now with Buddhist monks, in particular at a monastery or temple, they do nothing but pray for the well-being of all, focus on good thoughts, and intend the best for all of life.

Now, how does 'intent' and the 'law of attraction' explain the past slaughter of countless of Tibetan monks, or the past and current attacks and killings of Theravadan monks?
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the real question at hand is WHOSE intent.

you don't understand the VASTNESS of what's at hand

Scientifically I will share to you some stuff that is known by government types

spirits and energy are everywhere. Imagine that there are 4 dimensions to everything instead of just 3. So you have past present future and POSSIBLE. think of time as just a measure on entropy. The age we live in is entropic. It is destructive because of the intent of those that wish to stay in control here. If man is a co-creator (everything affects everything) then you have to take a logical look. Are things getting BETTER? or are people getting more full of fear? If you look at it objectively and honestly you see that the PROGRAMMING is what is at fault. Us not being taught honest and real concepts to keep us in a pattern of predictability.

if a certain group wrote the Bible and maintains the storyline, is it really TRUE? What about the astrological aspects?

Well if you look into the history of modern religions you have to go back to India and that is where the ISSUE lies. Too many sects of different religions and different gods. Does not mean it is or not true, but just follow the history ok.

so you have ZOROASTER and the magik stuff
you have the Jesus concept and the spiritual
you have the Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma (trinity concept)

now throw that all together and that is the closest thing to CHRISTIANITY as you can get. So when you look at it, you can't see up from down or which way to go because of how MANY COMPOSITE things are in it.

so trying to explain an experience like Jesus is lost because it goes back to WHOSE intent. It is not easily explained. It is hard to logically decipher because most leaders are egotistical madmen who worship POWER over responsibility. They don't often care where the power comes from and at what cost.

So now that I've said all that, consider that energy is neither created nor destroyed and that we can only observe 1% of ANYTHING around us based on the spectrum as we are allowed to sense it.

You can pull energy from anything, but WHAT are you pulling, what are you feeding, what is it doing TO YOU, what is it doing for you?

INTENT is the biggest issue we have as chemicals often decide our intent over free will.

WHAT has happened as to why the slaughters have happened is that DARK energy is the master here. VERY LOW VIOLENT VIBRANT frequency. If your mind allowed you to sense it all at once you would go mad from the FREQUENCY. Sometimes you might hear a hum.

ALL OF THIS THAT I AM SAYING IS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE if you take the time to piece it together.

dark energy has been fed so long that they have to constantly sacrifice to keep it at bay. Abortions work because it gets babies before they can add to the imbalance. The powers that be don't see it as murder, they see it as a ritualistic sacrifice to not have their power base encroached upon

certain sects and groups KNOW stuff just by tradition and such.They often die or are killed off because of their minds and their traditions, not because of being a threat. And then that info is BURIED as to keep the elite in their ranks

We are just here dealing with a mess that is so vast and total that you can't even begin to wrap your head around it. I've tried

so you cannot EXPLAIN it. Trying is just going to piss people off because we have been taught none of this and it contradicts PROGRAMMING. Logic and programming can't gel. So unless you ditch logic you ditch programming. That is why all of our info, even language is DISINFO and misdirect, so we never can get a lead to follow. Consider me a dot connector who didn't get killed yet. That is why I cannot judge, I cannot pick a side other than human and people and I cannot explain why I know what I know without PAGES AND PAGES of stuff. My supernatural experiences are just that, and we tend to sensationalize them because they are different and they generate interest. I am over that. I'm trying to piece together WHY we are here, not what happens later.

IT IS VAST undertaking and I hope that gives you a little insight as to why I know a mimic and can tell when somebody is barking up the wrong tree.You have to consider SO many aspects to things that just taking an angle other than observer is already messing you up because NOW YOU ARE AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT. Words and our way we share are still intended energy.

EVERY THOUGHT CHOICE AND DECISION is energy at use. You don't know what you are feeding by your thoughts and deeds.

I apologize if I am all over the place, but that is how far this thing spreads, so some do feel helpless because they feel SO out of place and alone. Which is why picking sides against people or ideas is dangerous because you never know WHO or what you are talking with.

Just sharing. Not judging or telling you I'm right. I'm learning and Im far from smart or knowledgeable on this stuff. I just approach it with childlike innocence so I can at least TRY and get a grasp on it. Our imagination is what lower level energy stuff wants. It can't feel but it can control our minds (this is why PROGRAMMING IS KEY) to feed it.

This is a very condensed and concise answer just based on your simple questions. See how much you have to consider just off SIMPLE QUESTIONS?

And I don't even KNOW the history yet. This is just the lines that I've learned to pay attention to.

Once again I apologize for the extended reply that might sound like ranting. It's not. It's just overwhelming
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as to why I know a mimic and can tell when somebody is barking up the wrong tree


As stated, you're views are very similar to what you find in most new age books. And you state, others are mimic, but you in actuality are mimicking a lot of new age beliefs, which many people also repeat and believe.
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so you care to actually speak about this stuff. Remember I didn't do "new age". I've said as much. I didn't ASK to find this stuff out, it just kind of happens when you dig, and you have to take a lot into consideration even trying to understand stuff. None of what I said is "new age" and the religious aspects and understandings PREDATE any concept of "jesus" that isn't composite. You really don't have a leg to stand on, unless you want to DISPROVE it. Then be my guest. Please. I want this stuff to be wrong. It's not a nice thing to think about. But consider that Christ and Jesus already are compromised just by their relative youth in a world of religions. If you are going to base your views on Jesus and Christ, you're just as LOST as Americans who think that THIS place is the best and most advanced country ever.

I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just a person who KNOWS that I don't know. But so far you haven't actually said much of anything other than parroting some stuff that is more subjective than anything.

I know mimics. You are not a good one. Even if I am one, I'm WAY better at it than you. This is not ego talking. This is a person who is not taking a stance of anything other than a person. More history has been destroyed to keep us on a certain path than anything

Just keep this in mind. Statics and spectrum. We can't measure either in a decent manner here...
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You keep contradicting yourself.

You state
I'm not saying I'm right, or I don't all the answers.

But then again, you're essentially stating my views are incorrect.

That's like stating, I know that I don't have all the answers, but I know you're wrong, and I'm going to ignore all evidences you present, that proves me wrong.

I would discuss more, but you're mind is pretty much already fixed and rigid, although you state you're open to learning.
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this is amazing stuff
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What "really" happened up to this point was that after the 2 walls of steel came in on me, the wind bringing 100s of tons of steel to crush me, I knew it was inescapable, but I had several minutes to contemplate the situation. I accepted my fate, in fact I judged my life and deduced that this end would be best...

When the steel arrived, however, I dutifully resisted as any ant would avoiding the hot embers of fire. Fighting with steel, as with fire, is a losing battle. In the end, though, my instinct to live made it worse as the small space unpredictably afforded me was lost when I turned sideways to push against the walls of steel. Of course, I lost. They crushed me mercilessly. I heard, not felt, my ribs shatter....

I floated upright as my life preserver was meant to do. I looked to the blazing blue sky. More brilliant than normal. I was conscious. After several minutes, who knows how long, to catch notice of a Zodiac approaching filled with men. One lifted me, immediately I felt my body was damaged. We took off. One man talked to me, noticed I was conscious and assured me, soothed me. We eventually reached shore, ambulance waiting, more painful jerking and jostling to get me in there,,,, Then drugs... Bye bye...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34241302


My first awakening to the real hospital bed and room in the ICU was confusing to say the least. I had been in an induced coma, now I was "awake". How miserable it was! Tubes in my mouth, strapped down, tubes in my arms, machines of every sort monitoring me., unable to comminicate, nurses painfully pushing pulling me, bed ridden Xrays, listening and watching every specialst imaginable discuss my case in front of me, family visits......
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I still couldnt understand my handicap. I tried to communicate so logically I tried to write my thoughts. I realized something was wrong when I couldnt even lift the pen to paper.

It was probably best I couldnt tell them what I wanted. Because by that point I was completely paranoid and filled with terror. I had spent hours and hours battling with this most terrible demon. I real man, who just seem to be out to murder me. I could see him, I even notified the nurses to when he got too close. They were reassuring, they knew that ICU cases had these "delusions". Nevertheless my demon, who first materialized as a visitor with his wife, was in the waiting room with my sister. I heard them from there from my bed talking about me etc, then they began to arguing, my sister and him. I heard a smack then a thump. Then silence. I watched the wife come out of the waiting room and peek into my room and return. I heard their voices....

I became paranoid, and extremely fearful. Sure enough, the man showed himself in my room in a way to threaten me, to pull the tubes out from my mouth and body. I panicked and pushed the button for the nurses. He left....

I felt my sister was murdered.

I still couldnt communicate, the nurses increased my morphine, or whatever, assuming I was in pain and trying to "put my lights out". They left, but I never went to sleep. For 3 days I couldnt go to sleep. But I fought off this man, who managed to find every which way to get to me, presumably to kill me for me being a witness to the murder of my sister. I was absolutely terrified......
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Thanks for sharing this. Just wanted to let you know, you're not the only one. There's been many others, who too saw demons, in their NDEs.

Would love to hear more.
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this is amazing stuff
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What "really" happened up to this point was that after the 2 walls of steel came in on me, the wind bringing 100s of tons of steel to crush me, I knew it was inescapable, but I had several minutes to contemplate the situation. I accepted my fate, in fact I judged my life and deduced that this end would be best...

When the steel arrived, however, I dutifully resisted as any ant would avoiding the hot embers of fire. Fighting with steel, as with fire, is a losing battle. In the end, though, my instinct to live made it worse as the small space unpredictably afforded me was lost when I turned sideways to push against the walls of steel. Of course, I lost. They crushed me mercilessly. I heard, not felt, my ribs shatter....

I floated upright as my life preserver was meant to do. I looked to the blazing blue sky. More brilliant than normal. I was conscious. After several minutes, who knows how long, to catch notice of a Zodiac approaching filled with men. One lifted me, immediately I felt my body was damaged. We took off. One man talked to me, noticed I was conscious and assured me, soothed me. We eventually reached shore, ambulance waiting, more painful jerking and jostling to get me in there,,,, Then drugs... Bye bye...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34241302


My first awakening to the real hospital bed and room in the ICU was confusing to say the least. I had been in an induced coma, now I was "awake". How miserable it was! Tubes in my mouth, strapped down, tubes in my arms, machines of every sort monitoring me., unable to comminicate, nurses painfully pushing pulling me, bed ridden Xrays, listening and watching every specialst imaginable discuss my case in front of me, family visits......
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I still couldnt understand my handicap. I tried to communicate so logically I tried to write my thoughts. I realized something was wrong when I couldnt even lift the pen to paper.

It was probably best I couldnt tell them what I wanted. Because by that point I was completely paranoid and filled with terror. I had spent hours and hours battling with this most terrible demon. I real man, who just seem to be out to murder me. I could see him, I even notified the nurses to when he got too close. They were reassuring, they knew that ICU cases had these "delusions". Nevertheless my demon, who first materialized as a visitor with his wife, was in the waiting room with my sister. I heard them from there from my bed talking about me etc, then they began to arguing, my sister and him. I heard a smack then a thump. Then silence. I watched the wife come out of the waiting room and peek into my room and return. I heard their voices....

I became paranoid, and extremely fearful. Sure enough, the man showed himself in my room in a way to threaten me, to pull the tubes out from my mouth and body. I panicked and pushed the button for the nurses. He left....

I felt my sister was murdered.

I still couldnt communicate, the nurses increased my morphine, or whatever, assuming I was in pain and trying to "put my lights out". They left, but I never went to sleep. For 3 days I couldnt go to sleep. But I fought off this man, who managed to find every which way to get to me, presumably to kill me for me being a witness to the murder of my sister. I was absolutely terrified......
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I was terrified and helpless,,, I was helpless until a persona who I call my Guide arrived. He materialized suddenly next to me. He didnt speak, or not in the normal way. We sat next to each other and he looked straight ahead never making eye contact. I looked ahead like he, there was a brick wall mortared with irregular stones. He conveyed to me that I had power to melt these stones. He pointed to them with his index finger, and imagined them melting. They turned to liquid before my eyes. I practiced and learned to point at the wall and eventually I watched it crumble and melt before my eyes. When I learned how to do this,,,,, he vanished.

When my demon returned I lifted my weapon, my finger, up at him. He screamed and cringed, and I saw his insides bubble gushing outwards, until he was no more. He seem defeated. However, I realized my power was not permanent, he could heal himself and retreat and attack again........
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What "really" happened up to this point was that after the 2 walls of steel came in on me, the wind bringing 100s of tons of steel to crush me, I knew it was inescapable, but I had several minutes to contemplate the situation. I accepted my fate, in fact I judged my life and deduced that this end would be best...

When the steel arrived, however, I dutifully resisted as any ant would avoiding the hot embers of fire. Fighting with steel, as with fire, is a losing battle. In the end, though, my instinct to live made it worse as the small space unpredictably afforded me was lost when I turned sideways to push against the walls of steel. Of course, I lost. They crushed me mercilessly. I heard, not felt, my ribs shatter....

I floated upright as my life preserver was meant to do. I looked to the blazing blue sky. More brilliant than normal. I was conscious. After several minutes, who knows how long, to catch notice of a Zodiac approaching filled with men. One lifted me, immediately I felt my body was damaged. We took off. One man talked to me, noticed I was conscious and assured me, soothed me. We eventually reached shore, ambulance waiting, more painful jerking and jostling to get me in there,,,, Then drugs... Bye bye...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34241302


My first awakening to the real hospital bed and room in the ICU was confusing to say the least. I had been in an induced coma, now I was "awake". How miserable it was! Tubes in my mouth, strapped down, tubes in my arms, machines of every sort monitoring me., unable to comminicate, nurses painfully pushing pulling me, bed ridden Xrays, listening and watching every specialst imaginable discuss my case in front of me, family visits......
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I still couldnt understand my handicap. I tried to communicate so logically I tried to write my thoughts. I realized something was wrong when I couldnt even lift the pen to paper.

It was probably best I couldnt tell them what I wanted. Because by that point I was completely paranoid and filled with terror. I had spent hours and hours battling with this most terrible demon. I real man, who just seem to be out to murder me. I could see him, I even notified the nurses to when he got too close. They were reassuring, they knew that ICU cases had these "delusions". Nevertheless my demon, who first materialized as a visitor with his wife, was in the waiting room with my sister. I heard them from there from my bed talking about me etc, then they began to arguing, my sister and him. I heard a smack then a thump. Then silence. I watched the wife come out of the waiting room and peek into my room and return. I heard their voices....

I became paranoid, and extremely fearful. Sure enough, the man showed himself in my room in a way to threaten me, to pull the tubes out from my mouth and body. I panicked and pushed the button for the nurses. He left....

I felt my sister was murdered.

I still couldnt communicate, the nurses increased my morphine, or whatever, assuming I was in pain and trying to "put my lights out". They left, but I never went to sleep. For 3 days I couldnt go to sleep. But I fought off this man, who managed to find every which way to get to me, presumably to kill me for me being a witness to the murder of my sister. I was absolutely terrified......
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34241302


I was terrified and helpless,,, I was helpless until a persona who I call my Guide arrived. He materialized suddenly next to me. He didnt speak, or not in the normal way. We sat next to each other and he looked straight ahead never making eye contact. I looked ahead like he, there was a brick wall mortared with irregular stones. He conveyed to me that I had power to melt these stones. He pointed to them with his index finger, and imagined them melting. They turned to liquid before my eyes. I practiced and learned to point at the wall and eventually I watched it crumble and melt before my eyes. When I learned how to do this,,,,, he vanished.

When my demon returned I lifted my weapon, my finger, up at him. He screamed and cringed, and I saw his insides bubble gushing outwards, until he was no more. He seem defeated. However, I realized my power was not permanent, he could heal himself and retreat and attack again........
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Fascinating, please keep sharing.
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You are going to be raised by God with all people when all are judged at the white throne judgement, suicide is cursed by God and the judgement is another curse by God, a curse cannot be uncursed, and will be sentenced to death, the second death, by being cast into hell with Satan and his legions and all its followers.

Don't commit suicide as it is going to get worse later on you cannot run away, the punishment is way beyond the suicide experience, taking your own life is being 'in place of God' taking it into your own hands, an abomination, who do you think you are ?

All sins are forgiveable no matter what horrific thing you may have done or what horrific thing others have done to you, start a new life by cleaning up your own life and by following the Gospel.

If your friend is 'raping' you leave that person and start fresh.

We were all supposed to live by faith, start doing that even while the meteors are falling on our heads and it is too late!

It is in the mind and the heart don't submit yourself to defeat as you are giving Satan lots of food by doing that, be strong no matter how weak, you have a mind, heart a spirit and a soul give it strength with last grain of faith left.

"Greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world."

We are made in God's image don't abuse it!
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My first awakening to the real hospital bed and room in the ICU was confusing to say the least. I had been in an induced coma, now I was "awake". How miserable it was! Tubes in my mouth, strapped down, tubes in my arms, machines of every sort monitoring me., unable to comminicate, nurses painfully pushing pulling me, bed ridden Xrays, listening and watching every specialst imaginable discuss my case in front of me, family visits......
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I still couldnt understand my handicap. I tried to communicate so logically I tried to write my thoughts. I realized something was wrong when I couldnt even lift the pen to paper.

It was probably best I couldnt tell them what I wanted. Because by that point I was completely paranoid and filled with terror. I had spent hours and hours battling with this most terrible demon. I real man, who just seem to be out to murder me. I could see him, I even notified the nurses to when he got too close. They were reassuring, they knew that ICU cases had these "delusions". Nevertheless my demon, who first materialized as a visitor with his wife, was in the waiting room with my sister. I heard them from there from my bed talking about me etc, then they began to arguing, my sister and him. I heard a smack then a thump. Then silence. I watched the wife come out of the waiting room and peek into my room and return. I heard their voices....

I became paranoid, and extremely fearful. Sure enough, the man showed himself in my room in a way to threaten me, to pull the tubes out from my mouth and body. I panicked and pushed the button for the nurses. He left....

I felt my sister was murdered.

I still couldnt communicate, the nurses increased my morphine, or whatever, assuming I was in pain and trying to "put my lights out". They left, but I never went to sleep. For 3 days I couldnt go to sleep. But I fought off this man, who managed to find every which way to get to me, presumably to kill me for me being a witness to the murder of my sister. I was absolutely terrified......
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34241302


I was terrified and helpless,,, I was helpless until a persona who I call my Guide arrived. He materialized suddenly next to me. He didnt speak, or not in the normal way. We sat next to each other and he looked straight ahead never making eye contact. I looked ahead like he, there was a brick wall mortared with irregular stones. He conveyed to me that I had power to melt these stones. He pointed to them with his index finger, and imagined them melting. They turned to liquid before my eyes. I practiced and learned to point at the wall and eventually I watched it crumble and melt before my eyes. When I learned how to do this,,,,, he vanished.

When my demon returned I lifted my weapon, my finger, up at him. He screamed and cringed, and I saw his insides bubble gushing outwards, until he was no more. He seem defeated. However, I realized my power was not permanent, he could heal himself and retreat and attack again........
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34241302


Fascinating, please keep sharing.
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By this time I was so exhausted,,, I thought that I had defeated this fucker,,, I thought that I could sleep,,, However, with my weapon and his retreat I could only go to sleep ever so shortly. He did change his tactics, he was wary of my weapon, instead of through the door he attacked through the roof, some rafters that were there, he tried to trick me from the next room... I defeated him every time and gained confidence and rest...

Suddenly or at some point, I began to communicate with a being, a God, or a higher power. It was strange. It wasnt a voice or vision -- it was textual! lol. Literally, letters and words began to scroll across my minds eye. And it was an intelligent being wanting to talk to me. And when he wrote something I could write something back. We had a channel of communication!

Interestingly, his text was yellow and mine was blue... And interestingly I vocalized my text, but couldnt articulate because of the tubes in my mouth, so I resorted to french and spanish, since different languages use different parts of the tongue and throat, etc and thus the text came clearer when I used different languages. Anyway, Mr God was clear,, and responded to pretty much all my questions. He also had something to say to me....

He wanted me for a project, a grandiose project, to save the world type of thing. But on the assumption that I was already dead or dying, and I had to leave this world to begin this task.

Uhhh--- I argued with him. Or I appealed to him. I thought the project worthy, however I didnt want to die. He seemed to give me no choice. His authority was such, also, that my complaints sounded, even to me, less than useless or irrelevant.

Our conversation ended, and I accepted his verdict and path for me... however, I remembered my complaint and appeal to him, but forgot it...

Soon afterward, I was in my hospital room learning to how to fly....
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I still couldnt understand my handicap. I tried to communicate so logically I tried to write my thoughts. I realized something was wrong when I couldnt even lift the pen to paper.

It was probably best I couldnt tell them what I wanted. Because by that point I was completely paranoid and filled with terror. I had spent hours and hours battling with this most terrible demon. I real man, who just seem to be out to murder me. I could see him, I even notified the nurses to when he got too close. They were reassuring, they knew that ICU cases had these "delusions". Nevertheless my demon, who first materialized as a visitor with his wife, was in the waiting room with my sister. I heard them from there from my bed talking about me etc, then they began to arguing, my sister and him. I heard a smack then a thump. Then silence. I watched the wife come out of the waiting room and peek into my room and return. I heard their voices....

I became paranoid, and extremely fearful. Sure enough, the man showed himself in my room in a way to threaten me, to pull the tubes out from my mouth and body. I panicked and pushed the button for the nurses. He left....

I felt my sister was murdered.

I still couldnt communicate, the nurses increased my morphine, or whatever, assuming I was in pain and trying to "put my lights out". They left, but I never went to sleep. For 3 days I couldnt go to sleep. But I fought off this man, who managed to find every which way to get to me, presumably to kill me for me being a witness to the murder of my sister. I was absolutely terrified......
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I was terrified and helpless,,, I was helpless until a persona who I call my Guide arrived. He materialized suddenly next to me. He didnt speak, or not in the normal way. We sat next to each other and he looked straight ahead never making eye contact. I looked ahead like he, there was a brick wall mortared with irregular stones. He conveyed to me that I had power to melt these stones. He pointed to them with his index finger, and imagined them melting. They turned to liquid before my eyes. I practiced and learned to point at the wall and eventually I watched it crumble and melt before my eyes. When I learned how to do this,,,,, he vanished.

When my demon returned I lifted my weapon, my finger, up at him. He screamed and cringed, and I saw his insides bubble gushing outwards, until he was no more. He seem defeated. However, I realized my power was not permanent, he could heal himself and retreat and attack again........
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Fascinating, please keep sharing.
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By this time I was so exhausted,,, I thought that I had defeated this fucker,,, I thought that I could sleep,,, However, with my weapon and his retreat I could only go to sleep ever so shortly. He did change his tactics, he was wary of my weapon, instead of through the door he attacked through the roof, some rafters that were there, he tried to trick me from the next room... I defeated him every time and gained confidence and rest...

Suddenly or at some point, I began to communicate with a being, a God, or a higher power. It was strange. It wasnt a voice or vision -- it was textual! lol. Literally, letters and words began to scroll across my minds eye. And it was an intelligent being wanting to talk to me. And when he wrote something I could write something back. We had a channel of communication!

Interestingly, his text was yellow and mine was blue... And interestingly I vocalized my text, but couldnt articulate because of the tubes in my mouth, so I resorted to french and spanish, since different languages use different parts of the tongue and throat, etc and thus the text came clearer when I used different languages. Anyway, Mr God was clear,, and responded to pretty much all my questions. He also had something to say to me....

He wanted me for a project, a grandiose project, to save the world type of thing. But on the assumption that I was already dead or dying, and I had to leave this world to begin this task.

Uhhh--- I argued with him. Or I appealed to him. I thought the project worthy, however I didnt want to die. He seemed to give me no choice. His authority was such, also, that my complaints sounded, even to me, less than useless or irrelevant.

Our conversation ended, and I accepted his verdict and path for me... however, I remembered my complaint and appeal to him, but forgot it...

Soon afterward, I was in my hospital room learning to how to fly....
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continue please
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the real question at hand is WHOSE intent.

you don't understand the VASTNESS of what's at hand

Scientifically I will share to you some stuff that is known by government types

spirits and energy are everywhere. Imagine that there are 4 dimensions to everything instead of just 3. So you have past present future and POSSIBLE. think of time as just a measure on entropy. The age we live in is entropic. It is destructive because of the intent of those that wish to stay in control here. If man is a co-creator (everything affects everything) then you have to take a logical look. Are things getting BETTER? or are people getting more full of fear? If you look at it objectively and honestly you see that the PROGRAMMING is what is at fault. Us not being taught honest and real concepts to keep us in a pattern of predictability.

if a certain group wrote the Bible and maintains the storyline, is it really TRUE? What about the astrological aspects?

Well if you look into the history of modern religions you have to go back to India and that is where the ISSUE lies. Too many sects of different religions and different gods. Does not mean it is or not true, but just follow the history ok.

so you have ZOROASTER and the magik stuff
you have the Jesus concept and the spiritual
you have the Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma (trinity concept)

now throw that all together and that is the closest thing to CHRISTIANITY as you can get. So when you look at it, you can't see up from down or which way to go because of how MANY COMPOSITE things are in it.

so trying to explain an experience like Jesus is lost because it goes back to WHOSE intent. It is not easily explained. It is hard to logically decipher because most leaders are egotistical madmen who worship POWER over responsibility. They don't often care where the power comes from and at what cost.

So now that I've said all that, consider that energy is neither created nor destroyed and that we can only observe 1% of ANYTHING around us based on the spectrum as we are allowed to sense it.

You can pull energy from anything, but WHAT are you pulling, what are you feeding, what is it doing TO YOU, what is it doing for you?

INTENT is the biggest issue we have as chemicals often decide our intent over free will.

WHAT has happened as to why the slaughters have happened is that DARK energy is the master here. VERY LOW VIOLENT VIBRANT frequency. If your mind allowed you to sense it all at once you would go mad from the FREQUENCY. Sometimes you might hear a hum.

ALL OF THIS THAT I AM SAYING IS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE if you take the time to piece it together.

dark energy has been fed so long that they have to constantly sacrifice to keep it at bay. Abortions work because it gets babies before they can add to the imbalance. The powers that be don't see it as murder, they see it as a ritualistic sacrifice to not have their power base encroached upon

certain sects and groups KNOW stuff just by tradition and such.They often die or are killed off because of their minds and their traditions, not because of being a threat. And then that info is BURIED as to keep the elite in their ranks

We are just here dealing with a mess that is so vast and total that you can't even begin to wrap your head around it. I've tried

so you cannot EXPLAIN it. Trying is just going to piss people off because we have been taught none of this and it contradicts PROGRAMMING. Logic and programming can't gel. So unless you ditch logic you ditch programming. That is why all of our info, even language is DISINFO and misdirect, so we never can get a lead to follow. Consider me a dot connector who didn't get killed yet. That is why I cannot judge, I cannot pick a side other than human and people and I cannot explain why I know what I know without PAGES AND PAGES of stuff. My supernatural experiences are just that, and we tend to sensationalize them because they are different and they generate interest. I am over that. I'm trying to piece together WHY we are here, not what happens later.

IT IS VAST undertaking and I hope that gives you a little insight as to why I know a mimic and can tell when somebody is barking up the wrong tree.You have to consider SO many aspects to things that just taking an angle other than observer is already messing you up because NOW YOU ARE AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT. Words and our way we share are still intended energy.

EVERY THOUGHT CHOICE AND DECISION is energy at use. You don't know what you are feeding by your thoughts and deeds.

I apologize if I am all over the place, but that is how far this thing spreads, so some do feel helpless because they feel SO out of place and alone. Which is why picking sides against people or ideas is dangerous because you never know WHO or what you are talking with.

Just sharing. Not judging or telling you I'm right. I'm learning and Im far from smart or knowledgeable on this stuff. I just approach it with childlike innocence so I can at least TRY and get a grasp on it. Our imagination is what lower level energy stuff wants. It can't feel but it can control our minds (this is why PROGRAMMING IS KEY) to feed it.

This is a very condensed and concise answer just based on your simple questions. See how much you have to consider just off SIMPLE QUESTIONS?

And I don't even KNOW the history yet. This is just the lines that I've learned to pay attention to.

Once again I apologize for the extended reply that might sound like ranting. It's not. It's just overwhelming
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as to why I know a mimic and can tell when somebody is barking up the wrong tree


As stated, you're views are very similar to what you find in most new age books. And you state, others are mimic, but you in actuality are mimicking a lot of new age beliefs, which many people also repeat and believe.
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so you care to actually speak about this stuff. Remember I didn't do "new age". I've said as much. I didn't ASK to find this stuff out, it just kind of happens when you dig, and you have to take a lot into consideration even trying to understand stuff. None of what I said is "new age" and the religious aspects and understandings PREDATE any concept of "jesus" that isn't composite. You really don't have a leg to stand on, unless you want to DISPROVE it. Then be my guest. Please. I want this stuff to be wrong. It's not a nice thing to think about. But consider that Christ and Jesus already are compromised just by their relative youth in a world of religions. If you are going to base your views on Jesus and Christ, you're just as LOST as Americans who think that THIS place is the best and most advanced country ever.

I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just a person who KNOWS that I don't know. But so far you haven't actually said much of anything other than parroting some stuff that is more subjective than anything.

I know mimics. You are not a good one. Even if I am one, I'm WAY better at it than you. This is not ego talking. This is a person who is not taking a stance of anything other than a person. More history has been destroyed to keep us on a certain path than anything

Just keep this in mind. Statics and spectrum. We can't measure either in a decent manner here...
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You keep contradicting yourself.

You state
I'm not saying I'm right, or I don't all the answers.

But then again, you're essentially stating my views are incorrect.

That's like stating, I know that I don't have all the answers, but I know you're wrong, and I'm going to ignore all evidences you present, that proves me wrong.

I would discuss more, but you're mind is pretty much already fixed and rigid, although you state you're open to learning.
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everybody's views are incorrect. It's not personal. At least I ADMIT I don't know and am trying to find out. Not contradiction when I SAID I'M A PERSON WHO DOES NOT KNOW. Still trying to take that better than angle I see.

Keep digging...
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as to why I know a mimic and can tell when somebody is barking up the wrong tree


As stated, you're views are very similar to what you find in most new age books. And you state, others are mimic, but you in actuality are mimicking a lot of new age beliefs, which many people also repeat and believe.
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so you care to actually speak about this stuff. Remember I didn't do "new age". I've said as much. I didn't ASK to find this stuff out, it just kind of happens when you dig, and you have to take a lot into consideration even trying to understand stuff. None of what I said is "new age" and the religious aspects and understandings PREDATE any concept of "jesus" that isn't composite. You really don't have a leg to stand on, unless you want to DISPROVE it. Then be my guest. Please. I want this stuff to be wrong. It's not a nice thing to think about. But consider that Christ and Jesus already are compromised just by their relative youth in a world of religions. If you are going to base your views on Jesus and Christ, you're just as LOST as Americans who think that THIS place is the best and most advanced country ever.

I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just a person who KNOWS that I don't know. But so far you haven't actually said much of anything other than parroting some stuff that is more subjective than anything.

I know mimics. You are not a good one. Even if I am one, I'm WAY better at it than you. This is not ego talking. This is a person who is not taking a stance of anything other than a person. More history has been destroyed to keep us on a certain path than anything

Just keep this in mind. Statics and spectrum. We can't measure either in a decent manner here...
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You keep contradicting yourself.

You state
I'm not saying I'm right, or I don't all the answers.

But then again, you're essentially stating my views are incorrect.

That's like stating, I know that I don't have all the answers, but I know you're wrong, and I'm going to ignore all evidences you present, that proves me wrong.

I would discuss more, but you're mind is pretty much already fixed and rigid, although you state you're open to learning.
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everybody's views are incorrect. It's not personal. At least I ADMIT I don't know and am trying to find out. Not contradiction when I SAID I'M A PERSON WHO DOES NOT KNOW. Still trying to take that better than angle I see.

Keep digging...
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There you go again,

I admit I don't know,

But then you imply that I should 'keep digging', and act like you do know.

Keep contradicting yourself.
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so you care to actually speak about this stuff. Remember I didn't do "new age". I've said as much. I didn't ASK to find this stuff out, it just kind of happens when you dig, and you have to take a lot into consideration even trying to understand stuff. None of what I said is "new age" and the religious aspects and understandings PREDATE any concept of "jesus" that isn't composite. You really don't have a leg to stand on, unless you want to DISPROVE it. Then be my guest. Please. I want this stuff to be wrong. It's not a nice thing to think about. But consider that Christ and Jesus already are compromised just by their relative youth in a world of religions. If you are going to base your views on Jesus and Christ, you're just as LOST as Americans who think that THIS place is the best and most advanced country ever.

I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just a person who KNOWS that I don't know. But so far you haven't actually said much of anything other than parroting some stuff that is more subjective than anything.

I know mimics. You are not a good one. Even if I am one, I'm WAY better at it than you. This is not ego talking. This is a person who is not taking a stance of anything other than a person. More history has been destroyed to keep us on a certain path than anything

Just keep this in mind. Statics and spectrum. We can't measure either in a decent manner here...
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You keep contradicting yourself.

You state
I'm not saying I'm right, or I don't all the answers.

But then again, you're essentially stating my views are incorrect.

That's like stating, I know that I don't have all the answers, but I know you're wrong, and I'm going to ignore all evidences you present, that proves me wrong.

I would discuss more, but you're mind is pretty much already fixed and rigid, although you state you're open to learning.
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everybody's views are incorrect. It's not personal. At least I ADMIT I don't know and am trying to find out. Not contradiction when I SAID I'M A PERSON WHO DOES NOT KNOW. Still trying to take that better than angle I see.

Keep digging...
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There you go again,

I admit I don't know,

But then you imply that I should 'keep digging', and act like you do know.

Keep contradicting yourself.

you are a moron... I am a moron and I admit I am... see the difference...I already know I don't know... so that makes it easy to see a moron... I'm not better than you... if you think you are better than me THEN ADMIT IT...
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You keep contradicting yourself.

You state
I'm not saying I'm right, or I don't all the answers.

But then again, you're essentially stating my views are incorrect.

That's like stating, I know that I don't have all the answers, but I know you're wrong, and I'm going to ignore all evidences you present, that proves me wrong.

I would discuss more, but you're mind is pretty much already fixed and rigid, although you state you're open to learning.
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everybody's views are incorrect. It's not personal. At least I ADMIT I don't know and am trying to find out. Not contradiction when I SAID I'M A PERSON WHO DOES NOT KNOW. Still trying to take that better than angle I see.

Keep digging...
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There you go again,

I admit I don't know,

But then you imply that I should 'keep digging', and act like you do know.

Keep contradicting yourself.

you are a moron... I am a moron and I admit I am... see the difference...I already know I don't know... so that makes it easy to see a moron... I'm not better than you... if you think you are better than me THEN ADMIT IT...
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Let me start with something positive.

From what you told me, with the car, and the hand saving you.

That tells me, there's something important about your life. There could be an important destiny you have to fulfill.

With me, there's areas that I feel more confident about, and other areas of knowledge that I admit, I'm clueless about. In the areas that I do feel confident about, even then, I'm still open to being wrong.

With that said, let me again ask you, based on your experience, you then made an assumption, that Jesus was not real and a energy signature / construct, based on a certain frequency.

You then assumed, what each individual sees, would be unique to their own assumptions.

This is a reasonable assumption, that may also believe.

However, evidences and many cases, are showing, that people describe him exactly the same, as already mentioned (blue eyes, 6 feet, no long hair), and also even seeing holes or crucifixion wounds.

So let me ask, how can we assume, he is unique to each person, when multiple people are describing the exact same thing?
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If you feel there's a force in the universe that wants you dead, why not stick around and really piss it off? You'll have the last laugh.
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everybody's views are incorrect. It's not personal. At least I ADMIT I don't know and am trying to find out. Not contradiction when I SAID I'M A PERSON WHO DOES NOT KNOW. Still trying to take that better than angle I see.

Keep digging...
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There you go again,

I admit I don't know,

But then you imply that I should 'keep digging', and act like you do know.

Keep contradicting yourself.

you are a moron... I am a moron and I admit I am... see the difference...I already know I don't know... so that makes it easy to see a moron... I'm not better than you... if you think you are better than me THEN ADMIT IT...
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Let me start with something positive.

From what you told me, with the car, and the hand saving you.

That tells me, there's something important about your life. There could be an important destiny you have to fulfill.

With me, there's areas that I feel more confident about, and other areas of knowledge that I admit, I'm clueless about. In the areas that I do feel confident about, even then, I'm still open to being wrong.

With that said, let me again ask you, based on your experience, you then made an assumption, that Jesus was not real and a energy signature / construct, based on a certain frequency.

You then assumed, what each individual sees, would be unique to their own assumptions.

This is a reasonable assumption, that may also believe.

However, evidences and many cases, are showing, that people describe him exactly the same, as already mentioned (blue eyes, 6 feet, no long hair), and also even seeing holes or crucifixion wounds.

So let me ask, how can we assume, he is unique to each person, when multiple people are describing the exact same thing?
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because we all share the same elements... Hydrogen and helium are not going to work the same on everybody just based on their chemical structures. Nobody thinks the same. Nobody has the same genetic makeup. Nobody has the same thought process. Nobody has the same standard to measure

you can't measure static and spectrum given the tools we have. So everybody is lost. the fact that something might be described as similar by lots of people has more to do with SHARED things like ELEMENTS. It does not prove or disprove anything. You can't measure it because there is no accurate across the board way to. At some point you have to admit you don't know and until you get there you will always look for a better answer. You can't get better answers as long as you don't start at base concepts

I'm not special. I'm just a person. Everybody is special just for being here. SO I'm no more special or different than anybody else.

we have to admit that we are on the same level before we can move forward. Otherwise we fall into the trap of trying to confirm OUR existence at the expense of others. That is a no go... It's not honest and it is a deception. If you are chosen for something you gotta ditch all forms of what you think you know before you even get a clearer picture. Otherwise you're living for others and everything you feel is important. ALL OF THAT WILL LEAVE YOU AT SOME POINT. That's life. Sometimes it happens when you die, sometimes you are still living when it does. Sometimes it happens like it did to me ALL IN THE SAME FEW HOURS.
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There you go again,

I admit I don't know,

But then you imply that I should 'keep digging', and act like you do know.

Keep contradicting yourself.

you are a moron... I am a moron and I admit I am... see the difference...I already know I don't know... so that makes it easy to see a moron... I'm not better than you... if you think you are better than me THEN ADMIT IT...
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Let me start with something positive.

From what you told me, with the car, and the hand saving you.

That tells me, there's something important about your life. There could be an important destiny you have to fulfill.

With me, there's areas that I feel more confident about, and other areas of knowledge that I admit, I'm clueless about. In the areas that I do feel confident about, even then, I'm still open to being wrong.

With that said, let me again ask you, based on your experience, you then made an assumption, that Jesus was not real and a energy signature / construct, based on a certain frequency.

You then assumed, what each individual sees, would be unique to their own assumptions.

This is a reasonable assumption, that may also believe.

However, evidences and many cases, are showing, that people describe him exactly the same, as already mentioned (blue eyes, 6 feet, no long hair), and also even seeing holes or crucifixion wounds.

So let me ask, how can we assume, he is unique to each person, when multiple people are describing the exact same thing?
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because we all share the same elements... Hydrogen and helium are not going to work the same on everybody just based on their chemical structures. Nobody thinks the same. Nobody has the same genetic makeup. Nobody has the same thought process. Nobody has the same standard to measure
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Let's use logic.

You state, since we share the same elements, this is the reason, they overwhelmingly saw the same thing.

However, if this was the case, then why do not a majority also paint Jesus the same?

Also, if nobody has the same 'thought process', which I agree, then why again, did an overwhelming majority, also saw the same thing?
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Let me start with something positive.

From what you told me, with the car, and the hand saving you.

That tells me, there's something important about your life. There could be an important destiny you have to fulfill.

With me, there's areas that I feel more confident about, and other areas of knowledge that I admit, I'm clueless about. In the areas that I do feel confident about, even then, I'm still open to being wrong.

With that said, let me again ask you, based on your experience, you then made an assumption, that Jesus was not real and a energy signature / construct, based on a certain frequency.

You then assumed, what each individual sees, would be unique to their own assumptions.

This is a reasonable assumption, that may also believe.

However, evidences and many cases, are showing, that people describe him exactly the same, as already mentioned (blue eyes, 6 feet, no long hair), and also even seeing holes or crucifixion wounds.

So let me ask, how can we assume, he is unique to each person, when multiple people are describing the exact same thing?
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because we all share the same elements... Hydrogen and helium are not going to work the same on everybody just based on their chemical structures. Nobody thinks the same. Nobody has the same genetic makeup. Nobody has the same thought process. Nobody has the same standard to measure
 Quoting: acegotflows


Let's use logic.

You state, since we share the same elements, this is the reason, they overwhelmingly saw the same thing.

However, if this was the case, then why do not a majority also paint Jesus the same?

Also, if nobody has the same 'thought process', which I agree, then why again, did an overwhelming majority, also saw the same thing?
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logic- we are all breathing the same air
logic- we are all depending on the same elements to live
logic- the sun is the basis of life here

that would probably all come together to draw a similar account if you used it as a basis of comparison if things were able to be OBSERVED. But nothing is measurable consistently, but you can consider all the things that are consistently involved. It's not hard to see when you look at BASE FACTORS/lowest common denominators.

the issue is we don't have a good base of understanding when trying to tackle topics such as these.

this is where secrets and shadows and such are not your friend, because they expose you (all of us).

this is why taking an angle is already separation. we have to stop looking at the small things that are differences and try and establish common elements of things to scientifically explain them away- step by step

Science is more proven than religion just by observation and acceptance. And even that admits it can only observe a rather small percentage of anything at a given time.

seeing as information is not shared, and people tend to judge things based on their personal experience we are in a rather DARK age on these subjects.

you sit still long enough, at least your eyes can start to adjust to the dark. Then you can start to figure from there
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However, evidences and many cases, are showing, that people describe him exactly the same, as already mentioned (blue eyes, 6 feet, no long hair), and also even seeing holes or crucifixion wounds.

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Is your sample skewed? Would have to examine that evidence...

My sighting was nothing like that.
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Let me start with something positive.

From what you told me, with the car, and the hand saving you.

That tells me, there's something important about your life. There could be an important destiny you have to fulfill.

With me, there's areas that I feel more confident about, and other areas of knowledge that I admit, I'm clueless about. In the areas that I do feel confident about, even then, I'm still open to being wrong.

With that said, let me again ask you, based on your experience, you then made an assumption, that Jesus was not real and a energy signature / construct, based on a certain frequency.

You then assumed, what each individual sees, would be unique to their own assumptions.

This is a reasonable assumption, that may also believe.

However, evidences and many cases, are showing, that people describe him exactly the same, as already mentioned (blue eyes, 6 feet, no long hair), and also even seeing holes or crucifixion wounds.

So let me ask, how can we assume, he is unique to each person, when multiple people are describing the exact same thing?
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because we all share the same elements... Hydrogen and helium are not going to work the same on everybody just based on their chemical structures. Nobody thinks the same. Nobody has the same genetic makeup. Nobody has the same thought process. Nobody has the same standard to measure
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Let's use logic.

You state, since we share the same elements, this is the reason, they overwhelmingly saw the same thing.

However, if this was the case, then why do not a majority also paint Jesus the same?

Also, if nobody has the same 'thought process', which I agree, then why again, did an overwhelming majority, also saw the same thing?
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logic- we are all breathing the same air
logic- we are all depending on the same elements to live
logic- the sun is the basis of life here

that would probably all come together to draw a similar account if you used it as a basis of comparison if things were able to be OBSERVED. But nothing is measurable consistently, but you can consider all the things that are consistently involved. It's not hard to see when you look at BASE FACTORS/lowest common denominators.
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Let me elaborate, the consistent base factor, is that Jesus has eyes.

In all various paintings of Jesus, we see him with eyes of various colors.

But, in nearly all cases, where people, see Jesus, in a NDE, or have a supernatural encounter, they specifically mention his eyes are blues.

How do you explain this?
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However, evidences and many cases, are showing, that people describe him exactly the same, as already mentioned (blue eyes, 6 feet, no long hair), and also even seeing holes or crucifixion wounds.

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Is your sample skewed? Would have to examine that evidence...

My sighting was nothing like that.
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sample is always skewed because there is not way to measure commonalities. I gave some common factors to consider in my earlier post... Please share more on your experience
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because we all share the same elements... Hydrogen and helium are not going to work the same on everybody just based on their chemical structures. Nobody thinks the same. Nobody has the same genetic makeup. Nobody has the same thought process. Nobody has the same standard to measure
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Let's use logic.

You state, since we share the same elements, this is the reason, they overwhelmingly saw the same thing.

However, if this was the case, then why do not a majority also paint Jesus the same?

Also, if nobody has the same 'thought process', which I agree, then why again, did an overwhelming majority, also saw the same thing?
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logic- we are all breathing the same air
logic- we are all depending on the same elements to live
logic- the sun is the basis of life here

that would probably all come together to draw a similar account if you used it as a basis of comparison if things were able to be OBSERVED. But nothing is measurable consistently, but you can consider all the things that are consistently involved. It's not hard to see when you look at BASE FACTORS/lowest common denominators.
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Let me elaborate, the consistent base factor, is that Jesus has eyes.

In all various paintings of Jesus, we see him with eyes of various colors.

But, in nearly all cases, where people, see Jesus, in a NDE, or have a supernatural encounter, they specifically mention his eyes are blues.

How do you explain this?
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sky is blue, sun is in the sky. that could be an explanation... son of god/sun in the sky/ blue sky-blue eyes.

could be an explanation could it not? It is logical, and it does not deny either one being true.

blue sky and sun tend to be agreed upon across cultures are they not?
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However, evidences and many cases, are showing, that people describe him exactly the same, as already mentioned (blue eyes, 6 feet, no long hair), and also even seeing holes or crucifixion wounds.

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Is your sample skewed? Would have to examine that evidence...

My sighting was nothing like that.
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Let me add two additional variables, from my research.

One person, stated, his eyes were blue 90% of the time, but it did change colors, to brown, green, etc.

There's another case, that stated, he had the ability to change his appearance, and 'glory'. So some just saw a light, or the appearance of a man, of light.

Regarding the sample, this is based on personal research, of several cases of supernatural encounters with Jesus, in NDEs, OBEs, or encounters, when the person was fully awake and conscious.
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Let's use logic.

You state, since we share the same elements, this is the reason, they overwhelmingly saw the same thing.

However, if this was the case, then why do not a majority also paint Jesus the same?

Also, if nobody has the same 'thought process', which I agree, then why again, did an overwhelming majority, also saw the same thing?
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logic- we are all breathing the same air
logic- we are all depending on the same elements to live
logic- the sun is the basis of life here

that would probably all come together to draw a similar account if you used it as a basis of comparison if things were able to be OBSERVED. But nothing is measurable consistently, but you can consider all the things that are consistently involved. It's not hard to see when you look at BASE FACTORS/lowest common denominators.
 Quoting: acegotflows


Let me elaborate, the consistent base factor, is that Jesus has eyes.

In all various paintings of Jesus, we see him with eyes of various colors.

But, in nearly all cases, where people, see Jesus, in a NDE, or have a supernatural encounter, they specifically mention his eyes are blues.

How do you explain this?
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sky is blue, sun is in the sky. that could be an explanation... son of god/sun in the sky/ blue sky-blue eyes.

could be an explanation could it not? It is logical, and it does not deny either one being true.

blue sky and sun tend to be agreed upon across cultures are they not?
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Yes, but with that logic, one would also assume, nearly all paintings and depictions of Jesus, would also have blue eyes, which they are not.

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However, evidences and many cases, are showing, that people describe him exactly the same, as already mentioned (blue eyes, 6 feet, no long hair), and also even seeing holes or crucifixion wounds.

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Is your sample skewed? Would have to examine that evidence...

My sighting was nothing like that.
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Let me add two additional variables, from my research.

One person, stated, his eyes were blue 90% of the time, but it did change colors, to brown, green, etc.

There's another case, that stated, he had the ability to change his appearance, and 'glory'. So some just saw a light, or the appearance of a man, of light.

Regarding the sample, this is based on personal research, of several cases of supernatural encounters with Jesus, in NDEs, OBEs, or encounters, when the person was fully awake and conscious.
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sky changes colors ...mostly blue most of the time...maybe even 90% of it as long as there is a sun to see...
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However, evidences and many cases, are showing, that people describe him exactly the same, as already mentioned (blue eyes, 6 feet, no long hair), and also even seeing holes or crucifixion wounds.

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Is your sample skewed? Would have to examine that evidence...

My sighting was nothing like that.
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Let me add two additional variables, from my research.

One person, stated, his eyes were blue 90% of the time, but it did change colors, to brown, green, etc.

There's another case, that stated, he had the ability to change his appearance, and 'glory'. So some just saw a light, or the appearance of a man, of light.

Regarding the sample, this is based on personal research, of several cases of supernatural encounters with Jesus, in NDEs, OBEs, or encounters, when the person was fully awake and conscious.
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sky changes colors ...mostly blue most of the time...maybe even 90% of it as long as there is a sun to see...
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Let me add a very important factor.

You're assuming, what they saw was perhaps subconsciously based, on the sky being blue. So the experience, was still a product of the mind.

This is a reasonable assumption, that even many psychologists and neurologists assume about NDEs.

But here's an important factor, that shows this assumption is false.

There's many cases now, in which the person has an NDE, and sees the deceased in a heavenly location.

They then learn of highly specific details and information, about them, the decased, that was previously unknown and impossible to know about.

After the experiences, and returning to their bodies, the learned information, that was previously unknown to them, was researched and verified to be true down to the exact details. This at times, even required that they searched through old newspaper to discover.

This shows, the experience was not based on the imagination, a hallucination, or constructed from the subconscious mind, based on former personal beliefs.
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I'd say, please send me an email from hell and let me know how hot it really is.

Also id say, please send me a pic because 'no pic means it didnt happen'.

Then id ask, so is Osama bin Laden really down there?

Then id ask, are all the Mormon prophets like Joseph Smith there too?
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Is your sample skewed? Would have to examine that evidence...

My sighting was nothing like that.
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Let me add two additional variables, from my research.

One person, stated, his eyes were blue 90% of the time, but it did change colors, to brown, green, etc.

There's another case, that stated, he had the ability to change his appearance, and 'glory'. So some just saw a light, or the appearance of a man, of light.

Regarding the sample, this is based on personal research, of several cases of supernatural encounters with Jesus, in NDEs, OBEs, or encounters, when the person was fully awake and conscious.
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sky changes colors ...mostly blue most of the time...maybe even 90% of it as long as there is a sun to see...
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Let me add a very important factor.

You're assuming, what they saw was perhaps subconsciously based, on the sky being blue. So the experience, was still a product of the mind.

This is a reasonable assumption, that even many psychologists and neurologists assume about NDEs.

But here's an important factor, that shows this assumption is false.

There's many cases now, in which the person has an NDE, and sees the deceased in a heavenly location.

They then learn of highly specific details and information, about them, the decased, that was previously unknown and impossible to know about.

After the experiences, and returning to their bodies, the learned information, that was previously unknown to them, was researched and verified to be true down to the exact details. This at times, even required that they searched through old newspaper to discover.

This shows, the experience was not based on the imagination, a hallucination, or constructed from the subconscious mind, based on former personal beliefs.
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I am not assuming anything. I am replying to the info you give and you keep adding MORE AND MORE every time you reply... You gotta do better when trying to validate something....anything can be explained away, but not starting off SHARING IT ALL AND GOING FROM THERE is not a good look. Makes you just come off as an ass who just wants to be validated. I'm not good at playing that game. I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything. I'm just giving logical explanations to what you say. You keep trying to find ways to get around that.

God is illogical as we can't explain it. Not allowed to with our limited understanding and lack of vocabulary. So you are essentially on a witch hunt but taking the archeology approach by piecing together stuff without any understanding of the factors involved. You are out of your element. I at least know that much.
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I'd say, please send me an email from hell and let me know how hot it really is.

Also id say, please send me a pic because 'no pic means it didnt happen'.

Then id ask, so is Osama bin Laden really down there?

Then id ask, are all the Mormon prophets like Joseph Smith there too?
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Let me ask do you dream?

If so, next time please prove it, by bringing a physical camera with you, to take pictures of your dream.

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