what would you say to someone that wanted to kill themselves?

There's several vids and accounts, where people were not experiencing an NDE or OBE.

But still had supernatural visions of Jesus, saw hell, heaven, etc.

And too still came across veridical information, and experienced miraculous healings.

I guess you're going to ignore all these cases. These again, have nothing to do with NDEs.

I've ignored nothing as I'm not the one trying to persuade others by posting NDE videos in an attempt to provide them with a clearly subjective & incomplete portrayal of the wide range of experiences that individuals report while in this state. You avoid posting the cases which do not support your biblical dogma, why is that? Tell me, of the countless videos about NDE's & visions that you have posted, how many of them have centered around Jesus and 'hell'? All of them?

Would it not be fair to present a complete range of the NDE experiences that individuals report throughout the world, and then allow the viewer to make up his/her mind? Instead you would rather trumpet your belief system and leave others in the dark about the many cases which do not bolster your beliefs.

I survived a self inflicted gun shot wound through the middle of me when I was a teenager. Here is what I say to people when I council suicidal people and I have been asked to speak to them: Background (I was 16. I am 43. I grew up in an abusive home and used suicide to set me free from the mental/emotional distress. I exhibited many of the classic signs/symptoms of suicidal people for 7 months).

At the time, prior to pulling the trigger I was 100 percent certain I wanted to die. It's difficult to understand something until you live it. I could never fully understand what it is to give birth to a baby. I could only read, attend child birth classes with my spouse, watch Discovery Health but until I lived it, I would never understand it. With no understanding of death I thought I wanted it. Until the rifle went off.

Here's the problem with suicide. It's like the people that were on that cruise ship that broke down. Crappy situation all around. But, the ship made it back to port and the passengers were able to disembark and continue on with life. They hated it. Regretted it. They had the chance to go on with life. If you kill yourself, there's the moment when you leave this world to move on to the next world. There's almost no room for regret. I regretted pulling the trigger but it was too late once the bullet left. I wanted to get off the ground and leave that place but I couldn't. I realized I would never see what the next day would bring. I found reasons to live. I realized I wanted to grow up one day and be a father myself and provide a home for another child that I didn't have. This person you encountered surely had 1 joy. We all have at least 1. If you kill yourself you deny yourself the liberty to enjoy that 1 thing the next day. If you can focus on that 1 thing. Even if it's a smoke and a cup of coffee you are making a mistake if you deny yourself. The point is you live to see another day. You crawl to another day and so on. Eventually life does get better. It did for me. I was blessed with a second chance at life. It's not been easy. I have been homeless in my late twenties but again, life gets better. I lost my job in September and have been through a very rough bout of depression over this past year but, it's getting better. It always does. That's just life. Never quit on yourself.

It comes down to choice. You choose today. Suicide denies you choice, it really does. If you shoot yourself today or let go of the ledge you lose the next days liberty of choice.

so Christians if you take SHEOL for what it is, why try to turn it into something so much more? Can't understand your own mistranslations?

You should try reading the Bible with a concordance, dictionary and Hebrew and Greek dictionaries for cross reference. Break the root words of certain stuff down and you'll see why I stopped listening a long time ago.

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Yes, I already use a concordance, to see the original Hebrew and Greek words.

1) Again, there's an entire category of experiences, that are not NDEs or OBEs. In which the person still sees Jesus, come across veridical info, experience miraculous healings.

2) If you think I'm not posting the full range of experiences, then you try to find, several current cases (that aren't NDEs), where the person sees Muhammad, Buddha, Krisha, etc. Who also come across veridical info, and experience a miraculous healing.

Regarding the later, I'm still searching for these experiences, but didn't find any. So far these experiences, which again are not NDEs, appear to be unique with Jesus.

so then you know that the LORD God is the impostor

Thank you for affirming what I highlighted in my earlier post.

Who said anything about Muhammed, Buddha, Krishna? Messiahs are a false construct of the physical world, they do not exist on the spiritual plane. No one saves you from this incarnation cycle until you learn that you have to save yourself.

How many NDE videos have you posted where individuals didn't see Jesus, but met their deceased family members and had other encounters?

How many NDE videos have you posted where individuals have described experiencing their life-review - where they reveal they were ultimately the judge of their own actions after experiencing the gravity of those actions from a multi-dimensional awareness?

Don't give me any of that crap about Muhammed & Buddha. They never claimed to be 'god' now did they? Neither did Jesus, but the Roman Catholic church sure did. And if you would read your Hindu NDE cases you would know that people in different regions of the world do experience meeting deities that conform to their ingrained culture beliefs.

Reincarnation is real and it's in your bible. Early christian sects taught the doctrine as well. You've got reading to do.

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You can convince yourself that 'demons' told children veridical information about past lives if you please, but it won't change the Universal law that we are all subject to.

Nope, I know that you didn't see the original Greek words, for all the verses.

For example, in Mathew 25:46, Jesus states, 'Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.'

The word eternal in both instances, is translated from the orignal Greek word 'aionious'.

Aionios can have 3 meanings.

1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
2)without beginning
or
3) without end, never to cease, everlasting

atually genius the word HELL is not in the bible. AT ALL. IN HEBREW or GREEK. Sheol is and that is a given. Adding meaning to stuff after the fact is just blasphemous, you know if you believe in that type of thing. The Bible is a heinous MISTRANSLATION of a deliberate mistranslation for political purposes. A relationship with "god" is totally personal. No Holy book needed.

atually genius the word HELL is not in the bible. AT ALL. IN HEBREW or GREEK. Sheol is and that is a given. Adding meaning to stuff after the fact is just blasphemous, you know if you believe in that type of thing. The Bible is a heinous MISTRANSLATION of a deliberate mistranslation for political purposes. A relationship with "god" is totally personal. No Holy book needed.

once again JESUS is a concept. NOT A PERSON. If you identify with Jesus that's great. Does not make you right and others wrong. But doing the BETTER THAN thing is NOT very Jesus like at all

But it's the 'word of God' as approved by King James and the various men who transcribed/edited/censored the texts!

ETERNAL punishment is the anguish for NOT GETTING IT OFF YOUR CHEST WHEN YOU HAD THE CHANCE. And even your bible says you get a chance to get it right IN THE END. I guess you never made it that far...

In your stage of learning and searching, this may be your personal view, but I highly disagree, based on my research.

If you had a chance to get it right, it wouldn't be eternal punishment would it?

Also why quote scriptures now? I thought you believed it was all false, or mistranslations.

so I guess the verses that said that Jesus Christ was a title don't mean much to you. Wonderful, counselor, everlasting father, prince of peace, anointed one- all descriptions.

Adjectives are LOST on you apparently

I was raised in that cult. You want to talk about it? I know their lies very well

A title doesn't killed on the cross. But I guess, you're going to ignore this.

the cross is how they fool us. They take 4 dimensions and teach you to ignore them by putting the holy trinity as the god head IGNORING the 4th dimension INTENT. That's the hell you might want to look into. I'm just trying to save you the trouble of finding out on your own...

Good job, at ignoring that these aren't NDEs, as I expected you would.