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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33237816 United States 02/22/2013 12:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I will keep trusting in GOD. And I am holding on to His promises. I will continue to spread The Gospel (the Good News) of our Lord Jesus Christ. And to be a voice of hope for those in need. Strive to be a blessing and not a burden. Continuely pray that GODS will be done. To love eachother as I know GOD loves me. And to forgive one another as I know GOD has forgiven me. |
Eyes Wide Open (OP) User ID: 34426096 United States 02/22/2013 12:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I will keep trusting in GOD. And I am holding on to His promises. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33237816 I will continue to spread The Gospel (the Good News) of our Lord Jesus Christ. And to be a voice of hope for those in need. Strive to be a blessing and not a burden. Continuely pray that GODS will be done. To love eachother as I know GOD loves me. And to forgive one another as I know GOD has forgiven me. But will you bow down to tyrants and tyranny or will you fight the good fight of faith? |
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Eyes Wide Open (OP) User ID: 34426096 United States 02/22/2013 01:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bootlickers!!! Quote Let´s start with a quote from Voltaire: "It´s dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." Or: It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong. Then Samual Adams: "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!!! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33237816 United States 02/22/2013 01:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I will keep trusting in GOD. And I am holding on to His promises. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33237816 I will continue to spread The Gospel (the Good News) of our Lord Jesus Christ. And to be a voice of hope for those in need. Strive to be a blessing and not a burden. Continuely pray that GODS will be done. To love eachother as I know GOD loves me. And to forgive one another as I know GOD has forgiven me. But will you bow down to tyrants and tyranny or will you fight the good fight of faith? GOD says no weapon formed against us will prosper. As well as making the peop[le beat their weapons into farming tools. I don't have much faith in the worldly gov. I walk by faith trusting GOD. If you are just now realizing how corrupt and deceitful the nations leaders are and the shady things they've been doing for years now, you haven't been paying attention. I'm pretty sure that GOD has more important issues on His mind and in His heart. Camels....Gnats issue here...? |
Eyes Wide Open (OP) User ID: 34426096 United States 02/22/2013 01:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Romans Chapter 13 By Chuck Baldwin August 10, 2007 This column is archived at [link to www.chuckbaldwinlive.com] It seems that every time someone such as myself attempts to encourage our Christian brothers and sisters to resist an unconstitutional or otherwise reprehensible government policy, we hear the retort, "What about Romans Chapter 13? We Christians must submit to government. Any government. Read your Bible, and leave me alone." Or words to that effect. No doubt, some who use this argument are sincere. They are only repeating what they have heard their pastor and other religious leaders say. On the other hand, let's be honest enough to admit that some who use this argument are just plain lazy, apathetic, and indifferent. And Romans 13 is their escape from responsibility. I suspect this is the much larger group, by the way. Nevertheless, for the benefit of those who are sincere (but obviously misinformed), let's briefly examine Romans Chapter 13. I quote Romans Chapter 13, verses 1 through 7, from the Authorized King James text: "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor." Do our Christian friends who use these verses to teach that we should not oppose President Bush or any other political leader really believe that civil magistrates have unlimited authority to do anything they want without opposition? I doubt whether they truly believe that. For example, what if our President decided to resurrect the old monarchal custom of Jus Primae Noctis (Law of First Night)? That was the old medieval custom when the king claimed the right to sleep with a subject's bride on the first night of their marriage. Would our sincere Christian brethren sheepishly say, "Romans Chapter 13 says we must submit to the government"? I think not. And would any of us respect any man who would submit to such a law? So, there are limits to authority. A father has authority in his home, but does this give him power to abuse his wife and children? Of course not. An employer has authority on the job, but does this give him power to control the private lives of his employees? No. A pastor has overseer authority in the church, but does this give him power to tell employers in his church how to run their businesses? Of course not. All human authority is limited in nature. No man has unlimited authority over the lives of other men. (Lordship and Sovereignty is the exclusive domain of Jesus Christ.) By the same token, a civil magistrate has authority in civil matters, but his authority is limited and defined. Observe that Romans Chapter 13 clearly limits the authority of civil government by strictly defining its purpose: "For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil . . . For he is the minister of God to thee for good . . . for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil." Notice that civil government must not be a "terror to good works." It has no power or authority to terrorize good works or good people. God never gave it that authority. And any government that oversteps that divine boundary has no divine authority or protection. Civil government is a "minister of God to thee for good." It is a not a minister of God for evil. Civil magistrates have a divine duty to "execute wrath upon him that doeth evil." They have no authority to execute wrath upon him that doeth good. None. Zilch. Zero. And anyone who says they do is lying. So, even in the midst of telling Christians to submit to civil authority, Romans Chapter 13 limits the power and reach of civil authority. Did Moses violate God's principle of submission to authority when he killed the Egyptian taskmaster in defense of his fellow Hebrew? Did Elijah violate God's principle of submission to authority when he openly challenged Ahab and Jezebel? Did David violate God's principle of submission to authority when he refused to surrender to Saul's troops? Did Daniel violate God's principle of submission to authority when he disobeyed the king's law to not pray audibly to God? Did the three Hebrew children violate God's principle of submission to authority when they refused to bow to the image of the state? Did John the Baptist violate God's principle of submission to authority when he publicly scolded King Herod for his infidelity? Did Simon Peter and the other Apostles violate God's principle of submission to authority when they refused to stop preaching on the streets of Jerusalem? Did Paul violate God's principle of submission to authority when he refused to obey those authorities who demanded that he abandon his missionary work? In fact, Paul spent almost as much time in jail as he did out of jail. Remember that every apostle of Christ (except John) was killed by hostile civil authorities opposed to their endeavors. Christians throughout church history were imprisoned, tortured, or killed by civil authorities of all stripes for refusing to submit to their various laws and prohibitions. Did all of these Christian martyrs violate God's principle of submission to authority? So, even the great prophets, apostles, and writers of the Bible (including the writer of Romans Chapter 13) understood that human authority--even civil authority--is limited. Plus, Paul makes it clear that our submission to civil authority must be predicated on more than fear of governmental retaliation. Notice, he said, "Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake." Meaning, our obedience to civil authority is more than just "because they said so." It is also a matter of conscience. This means we must think and reason for ourselves regarding the justness and rightness of our government's laws. Obedience is not automatic or robotic. It is a result of both rational deliberation and moral approbation. Therefore, there are times when civil authority may need to be resisted. Either governmental abuse of power or the violation of conscience (or both) could precipitate civil disobedience. Of course, how and when we decide to resist civil authority is an entirely separate issue. And I will reserve that discussion for another time. Beyond that, we in the United States of America do not live under a monarchy. We have no king. There is no single governing official in this country. America's "supreme Law" does not rest with any man or any group of men. America's "supreme Law" does not rest with the President, the Congress, or even the Supreme Court. In America, the U.S. Constitution is the "supreme Law of the Land." Under our laws, every governing official publicly promises to submit to the Constitution of the United States. Do readers understand the significance of this distinction? I hope so. This means that in America the "higher powers" are not the men who occupy elected office, they are the tenets and principles set forth in the U.S. Constitution. Under our laws and form of government, it is the duty of every citizen, including our elected officials, to obey the U.S. Constitution. Therefore, this is how Romans Chapter 13 reads to Americans: "Let every soul be subject unto the [U.S. Constitution.] For there is no [Constitution] but of God: the [Constitution] that be [is] ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the [Constitution], resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For [the Constitution is] not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the [Constitution]? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For [the Constitution] is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for [the Constitution] beareth not the sword in vain: for [the Constitution] is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For this cause pay ye tribute also: for [the Constitution is] God's minister, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor." Dear Christian friend, the above is exactly the proper understanding of our responsibility to civil authority in these United States, as per the teaching of Romans Chapter 13. Furthermore, Christians, above all people, should desire that their elected representatives submit to the Constitution, because it is constitutional government that has done more to protect Christian liberty than any governing document ever devised by man. As I have noted before in this column (See: [link to www.chuckbaldwinlive.com] ), Biblical principles form the foundation of all three of America's founding documents: The Declaration of Independence, The U.S. Constitution, and The Bill of Rights. As a result, Christians in America (for the most part) have not had to face the painful decision to "obey God rather than men" and defy their civil authorities. The problem in America today is that we have allowed our political leaders to violate their oaths of office and to ignore, and blatantly disobey, the "supreme Law of the Land," the U.S. Constitution. Therefore, if we truly believe Romans Chapter 13, we will insist and demand that our civil magistrates submit to the U.S. Constitution. Now, how many of us Christians are going to truly obey Romans Chapter 13? (c) Chuck Baldwin NOTE TO THE READER: This email editorial cannot be considered Spam as long as the sender includes contact information and a method of removal. To subscribe, click on this link and follow the instructions: [link to www.chuckbaldwinlive.com] To unsubscribe, click on this link and follow the instructions: [link to www.chuckbaldwinlive.com] Chuck Baldwin's commentaries are copyrighted and may be republished, reposted, or emailed providing the person or organization doing so does not charge for subscriptions or advertising and that the column is copied intact and that full credit is given and that Chuck's web site address is included. 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Eyes Wide Open (OP) User ID: 34426096 United States 02/22/2013 01:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I will keep trusting in GOD. And I am holding on to His promises. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33237816 I will continue to spread The Gospel (the Good News) of our Lord Jesus Christ. And to be a voice of hope for those in need. Strive to be a blessing and not a burden. Continuely pray that GODS will be done. To love eachother as I know GOD loves me. And to forgive one another as I know GOD has forgiven me. But will you bow down to tyrants and tyranny or will you fight the good fight of faith? GOD says no weapon formed against us will prosper. As well as making the peop[le beat their weapons into farming tools. I don't have much faith in the worldly gov. I walk by faith trusting GOD. If you are just now realizing how corrupt and deceitful the nations leaders are and the shady things they've been doing for years now, you haven't been paying attention. I'm pretty sure that GOD has more important issues on His mind and in His heart. Camels....Gnats issue here...? You're a coward pretending to be spiritual, or a traitor/enemy within. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33237816 United States 02/22/2013 01:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I will keep trusting in GOD. And I am holding on to His promises. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33237816 I will continue to spread The Gospel (the Good News) of our Lord Jesus Christ. And to be a voice of hope for those in need. Strive to be a blessing and not a burden. Continuely pray that GODS will be done. To love eachother as I know GOD loves me. And to forgive one another as I know GOD has forgiven me. But will you bow down to tyrants and tyranny or will you fight the good fight of faith? GOD says no weapon formed against us will prosper. As well as making the peop[le beat their weapons into farming tools. I don't have much faith in the worldly gov. I walk by faith trusting GOD. If you are just now realizing how corrupt and deceitful the nations leaders are and the shady things they've been doing for years now, you haven't been paying attention. I'm pretty sure that GOD has more important issues on His mind and in His heart. Camels....Gnats issue here...? You're a coward pretending to be spiritual, or a traitor/enemy within. I am not threatened by you anymore. I know my blessings come from above. It wasn't you who saved me. There is no Savior without GOD. I have been threatened by more people who claim to be Christian or doing GODS work than anyone else. Ever. The enemy comes as an angel of light. Say what you want, but you have no power over me. My Father loves me. Jesus Christ is my Savior. |
Eyes Wide Open (OP) User ID: 34426096 United States 02/22/2013 01:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Eyes Wide Open 34426096 But will you bow down to tyrants and tyranny or will you fight the good fight of faith? GOD says no weapon formed against us will prosper. As well as making the peop[le beat their weapons into farming tools. I don't have much faith in the worldly gov. I walk by faith trusting GOD. If you are just now realizing how corrupt and deceitful the nations leaders are and the shady things they've been doing for years now, you haven't been paying attention. I'm pretty sure that GOD has more important issues on His mind and in His heart. Camels....Gnats issue here...? You're a coward pretending to be spiritual, or a traitor/enemy within. I am not threatened by you anymore. I know my blessings come from above. It wasn't you who saved me. There is no Savior without GOD. I have been threatened by more people who claim to be Christian or doing GODS work than anyone else. Ever. The enemy comes as an angel of light. Say what you want, but you have no power over me. My Father loves me. Jesus Christ is my Savior. Blah blah blah, You're a sniveling coward and The Lord God Almighty knows it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18850150 United States 02/22/2013 01:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . The Bible says GOD rules the nations of men and places in power whomsoever He Wills. God requires our obedience to His Laws. Individuals/nations who disobey God are punished. When ancient Israel disobeyed God, God sent the Assyrian empire to destroy Israel. When ancient Judah disobeyed God, God sent Babylon to conquer Jerusalem and and take captive God's People for 70 years. After 70 years, God sent His anointed King from the East [Cyrus] to conquer Babylon and free God's People. A nation under God's punishment will not be able to free itself until God Wills it and God will not Will it until God's People repent of their disobedient lawlessness. . |
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Eyes Wide Open (OP) User ID: 34426096 United States 02/22/2013 01:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18850150 The Bible says GOD rules the nations of men and places in power whomsoever He Wills. God requires our obedience to His Laws. Individuals/nations who disobey God are punished. When ancient Israel disobeyed God, God sent the Assyrian empire to destroy Israel. When ancient Judah disobeyed God, God sent Babylon to conquer Jerusalem and and take captive God's People for 70 years. After 70 years, God sent His anointed King from the East [Cyrus] to conquer Babylon and free God's People. A nation under God's punishment will not be able to free itself until God Wills it and God will not Will it until God's People repent of their disobedient lawlessness. . My bible says that Godly men oppose tyranny and evil in all its' forms. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18850150 United States 02/22/2013 02:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . " Unless the LORD builds the house, its builders labor in vain. Unless the LORD watches over the city, the watchmen stand guard in vain. " from Psalms 127 Jeremiah told God's People that Babylon was going to conquer their kingdom and they would be in Babylonian captivity for 70 years. Furthermore, Jeremiah told them that while in Babylonian captivity to build houses and have families and pray for Babylon. Many Israelites did not like what Jeremiah told them and they tried to kill Jeremiah [kill God's messenger.] Others sought to escape their punishment by fleeing to Egypt... so God arranged for Babylon to conquer Egypt. " This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says to all those I carried into exile from Jerusalem to Babylon: “Build houses and settle down; plant gardens and eat what they produce. Marry and have sons and daughters; find wives for your sons and give your daughters in marriage, so that they too may have sons and daughters. Increase in number there; do not decrease. Also, seek the peace and prosperity of the city to which I have carried you into exile. Pray to the Lord for it,because if it prospers, you too will prosper. " from Jeremiah 29 . |
Eyes Wide Open (OP) User ID: 34426096 United States 02/22/2013 02:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18850150 " Unless the LORD builds the house, its builders labor in vain. Unless the LORD watches over the city, the watchmen stand guard in vain. " from Psalms 127 Jeremiah told God's People that Babylon was going to conquer their kingdom and they would be in Babylonian captivity for 70 years. Furthermore, Jeremiah told them that while in Babylonian captivity to build houses and have families and pray for Babylon. Many Israelites did not like what Jeremiah told them and they tried to kill Jeremiah [kill God's messenger.] Others sought to escape their punishment by fleeing to Egypt... so God arranged for Babylon to conquer Egypt. " This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says to all those I carried into exile from Jerusalem to Babylon: “Build houses and settle down; plant gardens and eat what they produce. Marry and have sons and daughters; find wives for your sons and give your daughters in marriage, so that they too may have sons and daughters. Increase in number there; do not decrease. Also, seek the peace and prosperity of the city to which I have carried you into exile. Pray to the Lord for it,because if it prospers, you too will prosper. " from Jeremiah 29 . Well, just go lick boots and let your children and grandchildren fight the fight for Liberty that you so cowardly refused to do. Romans Chapter 13 By Chuck Baldwin August 10, 2007 This column is archived at [link to www.chuckbaldwinlive.com] It seems that every time someone such as myself attempts to encourage our Christian brothers and sisters to resist an unconstitutional or otherwise reprehensible government policy, we hear the retort, "What about Romans Chapter 13? We Christians must submit to government. Any government. Read your Bible, and leave me alone." Or words to that effect. No doubt, some who use this argument are sincere. They are only repeating what they have heard their pastor and other religious leaders say. On the other hand, let's be honest enough to admit that some who use this argument are just plain lazy, apathetic, and indifferent. And Romans 13 is their escape from responsibility. I suspect this is the much larger group, by the way. Nevertheless, for the benefit of those who are sincere (but obviously misinformed), let's briefly examine Romans Chapter 13. I quote Romans Chapter 13, verses 1 through 7, from the Authorized King James text: "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor." Do our Christian friends who use these verses to teach that we should not oppose President Bush or any other political leader really believe that civil magistrates have unlimited authority to do anything they want without opposition? I doubt whether they truly believe that. For example, what if our President decided to resurrect the old monarchal custom of Jus Primae Noctis (Law of First Night)? That was the old medieval custom when the king claimed the right to sleep with a subject's bride on the first night of their marriage. Would our sincere Christian brethren sheepishly say, "Romans Chapter 13 says we must submit to the government"? I think not. And would any of us respect any man who would submit to such a law? So, there are limits to authority. A father has authority in his home, but does this give him power to abuse his wife and children? Of course not. An employer has authority on the job, but does this give him power to control the private lives of his employees? No. A pastor has overseer authority in the church, but does this give him power to tell employers in his church how to run their businesses? Of course not. All human authority is limited in nature. No man has unlimited authority over the lives of other men. (Lordship and Sovereignty is the exclusive domain of Jesus Christ.) By the same token, a civil magistrate has authority in civil matters, but his authority is limited and defined. Observe that Romans Chapter 13 clearly limits the authority of civil government by strictly defining its purpose: "For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil . . . For he is the minister of God to thee for good . . . for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil." Notice that civil government must not be a "terror to good works." It has no power or authority to terrorize good works or good people. God never gave it that authority. And any government that oversteps that divine boundary has no divine authority or protection. Civil government is a "minister of God to thee for good." It is a not a minister of God for evil. Civil magistrates have a divine duty to "execute wrath upon him that doeth evil." They have no authority to execute wrath upon him that doeth good. None. Zilch. Zero. And anyone who says they do is lying. So, even in the midst of telling Christians to submit to civil authority, Romans Chapter 13 limits the power and reach of civil authority. Did Moses violate God's principle of submission to authority when he killed the Egyptian taskmaster in defense of his fellow Hebrew? Did Elijah violate God's principle of submission to authority when he openly challenged Ahab and Jezebel? Did David violate God's principle of submission to authority when he refused to surrender to Saul's troops? Did Daniel violate God's principle of submission to authority when he disobeyed the king's law to not pray audibly to God? Did the three Hebrew children violate God's principle of submission to authority when they refused to bow to the image of the state? Did John the Baptist violate God's principle of submission to authority when he publicly scolded King Herod for his infidelity? Did Simon Peter and the other Apostles violate God's principle of submission to authority when they refused to stop preaching on the streets of Jerusalem? Did Paul violate God's principle of submission to authority when he refused to obey those authorities who demanded that he abandon his missionary work? In fact, Paul spent almost as much time in jail as he did out of jail. Remember that every apostle of Christ (except John) was killed by hostile civil authorities opposed to their endeavors. Christians throughout church history were imprisoned, tortured, or killed by civil authorities of all stripes for refusing to submit to their various laws and prohibitions. Did all of these Christian martyrs violate God's principle of submission to authority? So, even the great prophets, apostles, and writers of the Bible (including the writer of Romans Chapter 13) understood that human authority--even civil authority--is limited. Plus, Paul makes it clear that our submission to civil authority must be predicated on more than fear of governmental retaliation. Notice, he said, "Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake." Meaning, our obedience to civil authority is more than just "because they said so." It is also a matter of conscience. This means we must think and reason for ourselves regarding the justness and rightness of our government's laws. Obedience is not automatic or robotic. It is a result of both rational deliberation and moral approbation. Therefore, there are times when civil authority may need to be resisted. Either governmental abuse of power or the violation of conscience (or both) could precipitate civil disobedience. Of course, how and when we decide to resist civil authority is an entirely separate issue. And I will reserve that discussion for another time. Beyond that, we in the United States of America do not live under a monarchy. We have no king. There is no single governing official in this country. America's "supreme Law" does not rest with any man or any group of men. America's "supreme Law" does not rest with the President, the Congress, or even the Supreme Court. In America, the U.S. Constitution is the "supreme Law of the Land." Under our laws, every governing official publicly promises to submit to the Constitution of the United States. Do readers understand the significance of this distinction? I hope so. This means that in America the "higher powers" are not the men who occupy elected office, they are the tenets and principles set forth in the U.S. Constitution. Under our laws and form of government, it is the duty of every citizen, including our elected officials, to obey the U.S. Constitution. Therefore, this is how Romans Chapter 13 reads to Americans: "Let every soul be subject unto the [U.S. Constitution.] For there is no [Constitution] but of God: the [Constitution] that be [is] ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the [Constitution], resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For [the Constitution is] not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the [Constitution]? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For [the Constitution] is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for [the Constitution] beareth not the sword in vain: for [the Constitution] is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For this cause pay ye tribute also: for [the Constitution is] God's minister, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor." Dear Christian friend, the above is exactly the proper understanding of our responsibility to civil authority in these United States, as per the teaching of Romans Chapter 13. Furthermore, Christians, above all people, should desire that their elected representatives submit to the Constitution, because it is constitutional government that has done more to protect Christian liberty than any governing document ever devised by man. As I have noted before in this column (See: [link to www.chuckbaldwinlive.com] ), Biblical principles form the foundation of all three of America's founding documents: The Declaration of Independence, The U.S. Constitution, and The Bill of Rights. As a result, Christians in America (for the most part) have not had to face the painful decision to "obey God rather than men" and defy their civil authorities. The problem in America today is that we have allowed our political leaders to violate their oaths of office and to ignore, and blatantly disobey, the "supreme Law of the Land," the U.S. Constitution. Therefore, if we truly believe Romans Chapter 13, we will insist and demand that our civil magistrates submit to the U.S. Constitution. Now, how many of us Christians are going to truly obey Romans Chapter 13? (c) Chuck Baldwin NOTE TO THE READER: This email editorial cannot be considered Spam as long as the sender includes contact information and a method of removal. 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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33237816 United States 02/22/2013 02:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can say whatever you want about me Pastor. I have been there, done that. Lets not forget that you make mistakes too. After all I have been through, I can only assume that being a Pastor isn't always easy. And faith isn't always easy. So if you feel that GOD is leading you in this direction, then who can be against you? You and I both know that not everyone who is setting at the end of a church pew on Sunday are what they claim to be. And if you are a Pastor, I am pretty sure you know exactly what I'm talking about. So when I here a Pastor belittling the Gospel and Good News of Jesus Christ. And say that it will not fix our nation, I get suspicous. Especially one who has been a friend and servant of Lord for over 37 years. |
Eyes Wide Open (OP) User ID: 34426096 United States 02/22/2013 02:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can say whatever you want about me Pastor. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33237816 I have been there, done that. Lets not forget that you make mistakes too. After all I have been through, I can only assume that being a Pastor isn't always easy. And faith isn't always easy. So if you feel that GOD is leading you in this direction, then who can be against you? You and I both know that not everyone who is setting at the end of a church pew on Sunday are what they claim to be. And if you are a Pastor, I am pretty sure you know exactly what I'm talking about. So when I here a Pastor belittling the Gospel and Good News of Jesus Christ. And say that it will not fix our nation, I get suspicous. Especially one who has been a friend and servant of Lord for over 37 years. I'm not Pastor Baldwin, but I understand what he's saying while you attempt to misinterpret his message. You are of the clothe that believes praying is all one is required to do. You more than likely don't put much effort into that either because you certainly haven't divided the Word of Truth correctly. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18850150 United States 02/22/2013 02:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOD is in total control [not men.] Of all people, Bible-believing Christians should know this [because the Bible teaches the total sovereignty of God.] America is a nation of rebellious lawlessness [ie, full of sin.] God's punishment suits the sin. When God's People are rebellious/lawless, God places tyrants over them. God's People eventually begin to realize that God's yoke [following God's Law] is light compared to the yokes of men. . |
Eyes Wide Open (OP) User ID: 34426096 United States 02/22/2013 02:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18850150 GOD is in total control [not men.] Of all people, Bible-believing Christians should know this [because the Bible teaches the total sovereignty of God.] America is a nation of rebellious lawlessness [ie, full of sin.] God's punishment suits the sin. When God's People are rebellious/lawless, God places tyrants over them. God's People eventually begin to realize that God's yoke [following God's Law] is light compared to the yokes of men. . You aren't working for God, you're a coward. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33982388 Australia 02/22/2013 02:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If christians would stop their bickering and selfishness and arguing and greed the world MIGHT have turned out differntly. But the Lord now says THIS to the churches...the judgment at the house of the LORD shortly commences. ONLY those this actually applies to will be angry at it..because TRUTH only hurts the ones its referring to. Those who KNOW the truth will rejoice at this..for the time of the sorting of the seeh and the goats HAS COME. MATTHEW 23 13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Yeah..you lot LOVE to preach a whole lot of HYPOCRITICAL, CONDEMING, SOUL TEARING, MIND NUMBING CRAP which turns people AWAY from the TRUE way...with smooth deceptive words and well worded sermons designed to feed your WALLETS..and make MILLIONS from your LIES of TWISTED SCRIPTURE(The left behind movies and books ect)....but tell me this you evil stains on the name of Jesus... WHY wont You do what he SAYS..YOU wont enter in YOURSELVES..and by your UTTERLY ABOMINABLE BEHAVIOUR AND EXAMPLE...no one ELSE wants to either because they LOOK at you pathetic easy living cowardly liars and think..RIGHTLY SO..that CHRISTIANS are NOTHING BUT A PACK OF ARGUING, SELF CENTERED, GREEDY, ADULTEROUS, LYING HYPOCRITES 14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Yeah..ya just LOVE the OH SO HOLY prayers..babbling away in tongues and blaspheming the holy spirit with your UTTER ABOMINATIONS(Getting PISSED on the holy spirit)..THIS according to YOUR BIBLE is what you do..USING something HOLY to make MONEY..is BLASHEMY..and using the holy spirit to promote your MONEY MAKING LIES is BLASPHEMY against the HOLY SPIRIT...ACCORDING to your OWN BIBLE...you DO feed on widows houses..you rake in offerings year after year..from old widows who are too weak to resist the SNARES you set..SHAME on you you pathetic LIFE destroying VIPERS!! But wait,,,there is MORE..... 15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Yeah..ya do this too..seeking ever more victims...who start out as ordinary people...you prey on their fear..their terror..with stories of DOOM and HELLFIRE..you convert them..and then turn THEM TOO..into the SAME brand of UTTER HYPOCRITES AS YOU!!! 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Yeah,,ya LOVE to rake ya tithes in dont ya??..you ONLY pay it to get BLESSED..its all based on GREED and SELFISHNESS.IF you really GAVE a toss about anyone but yourselves..you would GIVE that money to the POOR and the HUNGRY..BUT NO..ya give it to these SWINDLERS to put new STAGES and SCREENS in their churches..to buy in the latest christian ROCK BAND..so you can ACT just like the WORLD you always CONDEMN.... BUT the list of your SHAME goes ON..(I could write a BOOK on your long trail of HIPOCRISY..) 25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Yeah..ya LOVE to turn up to church..all spiffy looking..all smiles...but within its all pure HELL..as you battle with the FACADE..hoping the REAL human you are deep inside does not SHOW..as you battle with LUST and ANGER..and HATE..and all the while jealousy and envy grows..and greed..and slander....while church after church falls apart as minister after minister is caught YET again with their cock frimly planted in the vagina of a woman who is NOT THEIRS...HINN..SWAGGART..all of em..BENTLY..what a total FARCE you vipers are...and you know what????ONE common DENOMINATOR among all of these CHARLATANS???.....MONEY MONEY, GREED AND MORE MONEY..and ADULTERY BUT the list goes ON..... 27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Ya look all clean..but inside you are DIRTY LUSTFUL COWARDLY SELFISH VIPERS. And THIS according to YOUR BIBLE..is WHAT Jesus is gonna DO to LIARS LIKE YOU.... 51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the HYPOCRITES: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the LAKE which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Let me break this down a bit for ya so you heartless vipers can FINALLY understand it eh?? 8 But the fearful, (YEP..thats you NEW AGE CHRISTIAN RAPTURE ADDICTS..always AFRAID and wanting to get OUTTA here while everyone else BURNS and unbelieving, (Yep..thats you lot TOO..cause if you actually BELIEVED the bible like you SAY you do..ya would NOT be such a bunch of loveless lying hypocritical LIARS) and the abominable, (Yes..That’s you lot too..your behaviour towards your brothers and the rest of the world is just ABOMINABLE!...an ABOMINATION!! and murderers, (HOW many widows have died in their homes..MURDERED by their lack of funds for more medicine because YOU conned them out of their money??..or told sick people to STOP taking their medicine, because if they did NOT they lacked FATH and God would not heal them..PURE rubbish and LIES..you are WORSE than JWS refusing blood to the dying) and whoremongers, (Yep..how many of you secretly sleep around..or lust after women or men in your heart?..whoreing after flesh or money..or gain..THIS is what it means..a deep endless lusting to GRATIFY yourselves) and sorcerers, (AHH yes..the MAIN one that the pastors of these NEW AGE CON artists love..sorcery..beguiling with words..using the "Anointing" like a drug..when its ALL just a manufactured atmosphere brought about to BEWITCH and SWINDLE..and THIS is what it means) and idolaters, (Idolatry..the modern churches FAVOURITE passtime..they worship WORSHIP..and FEELINGS..and PEOPLE..and MONEY..and BOOKS..and MOVIES..seems they idolise ANYTHING..but GOD..what a bunch of UTTER AND TOTAL LIARS) and all liars,shall have their part in the LAKE which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. SELF explainatory is it NOT?) 8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Need I say more??? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 18850150 United States 02/22/2013 02:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . OP... I never mentioned Romans 13 - so your copy and paste did not respond to my posts. Those who worship the God of Israel, must worship Him in spirit and in truth. God is sovereign over all His creation and commands us to obey His Laws. Those individuals/nations who rebel against God will be punished. If you don't like the punishment... don't do the sin. . |
Eyes Wide Open (OP) User ID: 34426096 United States 02/22/2013 02:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18850150 OP... I never mentioned Romans 13 - so your copy and paste did not respond to my posts. Those who worship the God of Israel, must worship Him in spirit and in truth. God is sovereign over all His creation and commands us to obey His Laws. Those individuals/nations who rebel against God will be punished. If you don't like the punishment... don't do the sin. . You're just here to argue, nothing else. |