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Look, you are a lesser human being to begin with...do not concern yourself with real life issues

If you had gone to school you would have learned that every fetus begins as female. At an early stage of EVERY PREGNANCY hormones are introduced by the mother and the fetus will then remain female or develope male...look it up, but use science based web sites not religious based, so you will learn

It will be proven someday that gender related issues can be caused by problems at that early stage of develoment...a birth defect.

It will be proven that most gender related issues are not a lifestyle or life choice...many of these people are simply born that way

I hate the world because of morons like you and the OP. You hate your own pointless, worthless, meaningless, lives and you seek out every little difference you can find in people to avoid the mirror that is that waste of life you live.

I see people with challenges in life and I only want what can make those challenges less of a weight or burden of what they must face everyday. For a piece of filth like you and the OP, you only wish to use your twisted minds to add pain to those who suffer enough.

I laugh at you, as you are more challenged than the child you attack on this thread. You, the OP, and a few others are challenged by ignorance, stupidity, and the lack of vision. You can't see REALITY you only see what you have been told to see.

Reality is this kid with the gender issue will face so many life struggles and social stressors that pain can be around every corner as long as he or she lives...how can you not see that?

Living with that threat of pain is not a LIFE anyone would choose to live...that child has no choice. Suppress it for life and become angry hateful people like you and the OP, or face REALITY and try and find a life worth living.

The parents of kids who face any challenge, do their best to create a world for their children to live in. In the past, people like you hated blacks, hispanics, Asains, anyone who was different from you. You didn't want them to work, go to school, or live next door to you because you are, what did you say...oh yeah, the "99.999%" that shouldn't have to "conform to these idiots", yeah, that's what you said.

Well, you are wrong my moronic poster...you are not the "99.999%" of ANYTHING! Look in the mirror, see that piece of pig waste looking back? That's you! Your twisted way of hate is slowly fading away. As more and more of the morons like you die of old age, fewer and fewer morons are being raised now because we are creating a society that allows for children with "special needs" to function in social surroundings and not hidden away like you want.

Yeah, think about it and keep looking in your mirror A/C16563586. When that ugly, repugnant, putrid, mass of matter that is looking back, begins to take human form...you will begin to see life for what it really is.

Life will eventually impose pain on every one of us....no need to impose pain on each other till then.
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Let me get this straight - you are forming your opinion off of what you call scientific fact, even though it has never been proven as a birth defect? You are absolutely right, these kids need our help, but not the help you subscribe to where you ignore what is wrong with them and allow them to continue on with a false sense of pride in being "different" and "special". They have a mental illness that HAS been proven to be corrected with specialized counseling and gender development. You want to ignore the greater problem here, which is that most of these children were not born with this - the problem developed as the result of social or parental stimuli - such as living in a single parent home with no proper interpersonal relationship development, family dysfunction, sexual abuse, etc. You would rather lie to the child and tell them that they are fine just the way there are, when it is clear they are not.
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I would love to see ACADEMIC links that support your claims Rising Son. I can provide you with many scientific and academic claims to support the biological origin.
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Side note...I bet you are one of the "righteous" that, if determined that this was of biological origin (which it is) would all of a sudden decide we need a test to determine this in utero and that it would then be acceptable to abort the fetus huh?
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Let me get this straight - you are forming your opinion off of what you call scientific fact, even though it has never been proven as a birth defect? You are absolutely right, these kids need our help, but not the help you subscribe to where you ignore what is wrong with them and allow them to continue on with a false sense of pride in being "different" and "special". They have a mental illness that HAS been proven to be corrected with specialized counseling and gender development. You want to ignore the greater problem here, which is that most of these children were not born with this - the problem developed as the result of social or parental stimuli - such as living in a single parent home with no proper interpersonal relationship development, family dysfunction, sexual abuse, etc. You would rather lie to the child and tell them that they are fine just the way there are, when it is clear they are not.
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I would love to see ACADEMIC links that support your claims Rising Son. I can provide you with many scientific and academic claims to support the biological origin.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Side note...I bet you are one of the "righteous" that, if determined that this was of biological origin (which it is) would all of a sudden decide we need a test to determine this in utero and that it would then be acceptable to abort the fetus huh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 516644


Wow - assume much? There is nothing "righteous" about it - whatever you think has been proven as the cause of gender confusion is an exception to the norm, which is that gender identity disorder is a mental illness. Here you go:

[link to www.google.com]
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Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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I would love to see ACADEMIC links that support your claims Rising Son. I can provide you with many scientific and academic claims to support the biological origin.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Side note...I bet you are one of the "righteous" that, if determined that this was of biological origin (which it is) would all of a sudden decide we need a test to determine this in utero and that it would then be acceptable to abort the fetus huh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 516644


Wow - assume much? There is nothing "righteous" about it - whatever you think has been proven as the cause of gender confusion is an exception to the norm, which is that gender identity disorder is a mental illness. Here you go:

[link to www.google.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 516644


Interesting - for someone who demands academic and scientific validation, you don't seem to put the same emphasis on yourself. Where is this plethora of proof proving the biological origins of gender disorders?
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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I would love to see ACADEMIC links that support your claims Rising Son. I can provide you with many scientific and academic claims to support the biological origin.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Side note...I bet you are one of the "righteous" that, if determined that this was of biological origin (which it is) would all of a sudden decide we need a test to determine this in utero and that it would then be acceptable to abort the fetus huh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 516644


Wow - assume much? There is nothing "righteous" about it - whatever you think has been proven as the cause of gender confusion is an exception to the norm, which is that gender identity disorder is a mental illness. Here you go:

[link to www.google.com]
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Here is the real back story on Rekker's "Therapy" if you are interested in the results of the aversion therapy that ultimately led to one of the mentioned child's suicide.

[link to www.boxturtlebulletin.com]
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Side note...I bet you are one of the "righteous" that, if determined that this was of biological origin (which it is) would all of a sudden decide we need a test to determine this in utero and that it would then be acceptable to abort the fetus huh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 516644


Wow - assume much? There is nothing "righteous" about it - whatever you think has been proven as the cause of gender confusion is an exception to the norm, which is that gender identity disorder is a mental illness. Here you go:

[link to www.google.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 516644


Interesting - for someone who demands academic and scientific validation, you don't seem to put the same emphasis on yourself. Where is this plethora of proof proving the biological origins of gender disorders?
 Quoting: Rising Son


Here you go....happy reading...



^ Curtis, R.; et. al. (March 2009). "Transgender experiences – Information and support" (PDF). NHS. pp. 12. Retrieved 2012-07-01.
^ Desire for Surgical Sex Transmutation: An Insane Fancy of Near Males. D.O. Cauldwell. 2001 reprint in the International Journal of Transgenderism Vol. 5 Number 2 of a paper published in 1947.
^ Benjamin, H. (1966). The transsexual phenomenon. New York: Julian Press, page 85.
^ "David Reimer, subject of 'sex reassignment,' dead at 38".
^ Colapinto, J (2001). As Nature Made Him: The Boy Who Was Raised as a Girl. Harper Perennial. ISBN 0-06-092959-6. Revised in 2006
^ Intersex Society of North America | A world free of shame, secrecy, and unwanted genital surgery
^ Blanchard, RAY (1989). "The Concept of Autogynephilia and the Typology of Male Gender Dysphoria". The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease 177 (10): 616–23. doi:10.1097/00005053-198910000-00004. PMID 2794988.
^ Freund, Kurt; Steiner, Betty W.; Chan, Samuel (1982). "Two types of cross-gender identity". Archives of Sexual Behavior 11 (1): 49–63. doi:10.1007/BF01541365. PMID 7073469.
^ Blanchard, Ray (1989). "The classification and labeling of nonhomosexual gender dysphorias". Archives of Sexual Behavior 18 (4): 315–34. doi:10.1007/BF01541951. PMID 2673136.
^ Blanchard, Ray (1988). "Nonhomosexual gender dysphoria". Journal of Sex Research 24: 188. doi:10.1080/00224498809551410.
^ Blanchard, R (1989). "The concept of autogynephilia and the typology of male gender dysphoria". The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease 177 (10): 616–23. doi:10.1097/00005053-198910000-00004. PMID 2794988.
^ Blancard, Ray (Winter 1991). "Clinical observations and systematic studies of autogynephilia". Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy 17 (4): 235–51. doi:10.1080/00926239108404348. PMID 1815090.
^ Bailey, J. M. (2003). The Man Who Would Be Queen: The Science of Gender-Bending and Transsexualism. Joseph Henry Press. ISBN 0-309-08418-0.[page needed]
^ Veale, Jaimie F.; Clarke, Dave E.; Lomax, Terri C. (2008). "Sexuality of Male-to-Female Transsexuals". Archives of Sexual Behavior 37 (4): 586–597. doi:10.1007/s10508-007-9306-9. PMID 18299976.
^ Moser, Charles (2009). "Autogynephilia in Women". Journal of Homosexuality 56 (5): 539–547. doi:10.1080/00918360903005212. PMID 19591032.
^ Moser, Charles (2010). "Blanchard's Autogynephilia Theory: A Critique". Journal of Homosexuality 57 (6): 790–809. doi:10.1080/00918369.2010.486241. PMID 20582803.
^ Nuttbrock, L; Bockting, W; Mason, M; Hwahng, S; Rosenblum, A; Macri, M; Becker, J (2010). "A Further Assessment of Blanchard’s Typology of Homosexual Versus Non-Homosexual or Autogynephilic Gender Dysphoria". Archives of Sexual Behavior 40 (2): 247–257. doi:10.1007/s10508-009-9579-2. PMC 2894986. PMID 20039113.
^ Hare, L; Bernard, P; Sanchez, F; Baird, P; Vilain, E; Kennedy, T; Harley, V (2009). "Androgen Receptor Repeat Length Polymorphism Associated with Male-to-Female Transsexualism". Biological Psychiatry 65 (1): 93–6. doi:10.1016/j.biopsych.2008.08.033. PMID 18962445.
^ Bentz, E; Hefler, L; Kaufmann, U; Huber, J; Kolbus, A; Tempfer, C (2008). "A polymorphism of the CYP17 gene related to sex steroid metabolism is associated with female-to-male but not male-to-female transsexualism". Fertility and Sterility 90 (1): 56–9. doi:10.1016/j.fertnstert.2007.05.056. PMID 17765230.
^ Zhou, Jiang-Ning; Hofman, Michel A.; Gooren, Louis J. G.; Swaab, Dick F. (1995). "A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality". Nature 378 (6552): 68–70. doi:10.1038/378068a0. PMID 7477289.
^ Kruijver, F. P. M.; Zhou, JN; Pool, CW; Hofman, MA; Gooren, LJ; Swaab, DF (2000). "Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus". Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism 85 (5): 2034–41. doi:10.1210/jc.85.5.2034. PMID 10843193.
^ Chung, WC; De Vries, GJ; Swaab, DF (2002). "Sexual differentiation of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis in humans may extend into adulthood". The Journal of neuroscience 22 (3): 1027–33. PMID 11826131.
^ Gooren, L (2006). "The biology of human psychosexual differentiation". Hormones and behavior 50 (4): 589–601. doi:10.1016/j.yhbeh.2006.06.011. PMID 16870186.
^ Swaab, DF (2004). "Sexual differentiation of the human brain: relevance for gender identity, transsexualism and sexual orientation". Gynecological Endocrinology 19 (6): 301–12. doi:10.1080/09513590400018231. PMID 15724806.
^ Garcia-Falgueras, A.; Swaab, D. F. (2008). "A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity". Brain 131 (Pt 12): 3132–46. doi:10.1093/brain/awn276. PMID 18980961.
^ Luders, Eileen; Sánchez, Francisco J.; Gaser, Christian; Toga, Arthur W.; Narr, Katherine L.; Hamilton, Liberty S.; Vilain, Eric (2009). "Regional gray matter variation in male-to-female transsexualism". NeuroImage 46 (4): 904–7. doi:10.1016/j.neuroimage.2009.03.048. PMC 2754583. PMID 19341803.
^ Rametti, G; Carrillo, B; Gómez-Gil, E; Junque, C; Segovia, S; Gomez, A; Guillamon, A (2010). "White matter microstructure in female to male transsexuals before cross-sex hormonal treatment. A diffusion tensor imaging study". Journal of Psychiatric Research 45 (2): 199–204. doi:10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.05.006. PMID 20562024.
^ Pol, H. E H.; Cohen-Kettenis, P. T; Van Haren, N. E M; Peper, J. S; Brans, R. G H; Cahn, W.; Schnack, H. G; Gooren, L. J G et al. (2006). "Changing your sex changes your brain: influences of testosterone and estrogen on adult human brain structure". European Journal of Endocrinology 155: S107–S114. doi:10.1530/eje.1.02248.
^ Ramachandran, V. S. (2008). "Phantom Penises In Transsexuals". Journal of Consciousness Studies 15 (1): 5–16.
^ Berglund, H.; Lindstrom, P.; Dhejne-Helmy, C.; Savic, I. (2007). "Male-to-Female Transsexuals Show Sex-Atypical Hypothalamus Activation When Smelling Odorous Steroids". Cerebral Cortex 18 (8): 1900–8. doi:10.1093/cercor/bhm216. PMID 18056697.
^ Male-to-Female Transsexuals Show Sex-Atypical Hypothalamus Activation When Smelling Odorous Steroids (full article)
^ Schneider, H; Pickel, J; Stalla, G (2006). "Typical female 2nd–4th finger length (2D:4D) ratios in male-to-female transsexuals—possible implications for prenatal androgen exposure". Psychoneuroendocrinology 31 (2): 265–9. doi:10.1016/j.psyneuen.2005.07.005. PMID 16140461.
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Side note...I bet you are one of the "righteous" that, if determined that this was of biological origin (which it is) would all of a sudden decide we need a test to determine this in utero and that it would then be acceptable to abort the fetus huh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 516644


Wow - assume much? There is nothing "righteous" about it - whatever you think has been proven as the cause of gender confusion is an exception to the norm, which is that gender identity disorder is a mental illness. Here you go:

[link to www.google.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 516644


Here is the real back story on Rekker's "Therapy" if you are interested in the results of the aversion therapy that ultimately led to one of the mentioned child's suicide.

[link to www.boxturtlebulletin.com]
 Quoting: Rising Son


You use a pro-gay website to denigrate Rekker, without citing how his therapy led to the child's death. That article is pure conjecture and is loaded with character assassination, not to mention it is pure propaganda. I thought you had real sources.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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Why do liberals hate male and female???
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This. They are vile creatures from the depths of hell.
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True transsexuality is quite rare, isn't it? There may be some fake trans people who just want publicity, but there can't surely be that many people who really believe they were born into the wrong body. The few people who really do have the problem deserve our sympathy. It must feel awful to think you're in the wrong body. I can't imagine what such a thing would feel like!

Sympathy, however, doesn't mean they have the right to use my washroom. If they have a dick, they don't belong in my private space, so they'd better get to a surgeon and have the offending body part taken off. then they're welcome to come in, but only then.
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Typical american christians, the biggest opponents and bible thumbers when it comes to gay, transgender etc. This was one thing I just couldn't understand about you americans during my yrs in the states. It's aa shame that an advanced society still is stuck in old stuff like that.
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Wow - assume much? There is nothing "righteous" about it - whatever you think has been proven as the cause of gender confusion is an exception to the norm, which is that gender identity disorder is a mental illness. Here you go:

[link to www.google.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 516644


Interesting - for someone who demands academic and scientific validation, you don't seem to put the same emphasis on yourself. Where is this plethora of proof proving the biological origins of gender disorders?
 Quoting: Rising Son


Here you go....happy reading...



^ Curtis, R.; et. al. (March 2009). "Transgender experiences – Information and support" (PDF). NHS. pp. 12. Retrieved 2012-07-01.
^ Desire for Surgical Sex Transmutation: An Insane Fancy of Near Males. D.O. Cauldwell. 2001 reprint in the International Journal of Transgenderism Vol. 5 Number 2 of a paper published in 1947.
^ Benjamin, H. (1966). The transsexual phenomenon. New York: Julian Press, page 85.
^ "David Reimer, subject of 'sex reassignment,' dead at 38".
^ Colapinto, J (2001). As Nature Made Him: The Boy Who Was Raised as a Girl. Harper Perennial. ISBN 0-06-092959-6. Revised in 2006
^ Intersex Society of North America | A world free of shame, secrecy, and unwanted genital surgery
^ Blanchard, RAY (1989). "The Concept of Autogynephilia and the Typology of Male Gender Dysphoria". The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease 177 (10): 616–23. doi:10.1097/00005053-198910000-00004. PMID 2794988.
^ Freund, Kurt; Steiner, Betty W.; Chan, Samuel (1982). "Two types of cross-gender identity". Archives of Sexual Behavior 11 (1): 49–63. doi:10.1007/BF01541365. PMID 7073469.
^ Blanchard, Ray (1989). "The classification and labeling of nonhomosexual gender dysphorias". Archives of Sexual Behavior 18 (4): 315–34. doi:10.1007/BF01541951. PMID 2673136.
^ Blanchard, Ray (1988). "Nonhomosexual gender dysphoria". Journal of Sex Research 24: 188. doi:10.1080/00224498809551410.
^ Blanchard, R (1989). "The concept of autogynephilia and the typology of male gender dysphoria". The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease 177 (10): 616–23. doi:10.1097/00005053-198910000-00004. PMID 2794988.
^ Blancard, Ray (Winter 1991). "Clinical observations and systematic studies of autogynephilia". Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy 17 (4): 235–51. doi:10.1080/00926239108404348. PMID 1815090.
^ Bailey, J. M. (2003). The Man Who Would Be Queen: The Science of Gender-Bending and Transsexualism. Joseph Henry Press. ISBN 0-309-08418-0.[page needed]
^ Veale, Jaimie F.; Clarke, Dave E.; Lomax, Terri C. (2008). "Sexuality of Male-to-Female Transsexuals". Archives of Sexual Behavior 37 (4): 586–597. doi:10.1007/s10508-007-9306-9. PMID 18299976.
^ Moser, Charles (2009). "Autogynephilia in Women". Journal of Homosexuality 56 (5): 539–547. doi:10.1080/00918360903005212. PMID 19591032.
^ Moser, Charles (2010). "Blanchard's Autogynephilia Theory: A Critique". Journal of Homosexuality 57 (6): 790–809. doi:10.1080/00918369.2010.486241. PMID 20582803.
^ Nuttbrock, L; Bockting, W; Mason, M; Hwahng, S; Rosenblum, A; Macri, M; Becker, J (2010). "A Further Assessment of Blanchard’s Typology of Homosexual Versus Non-Homosexual or Autogynephilic Gender Dysphoria". Archives of Sexual Behavior 40 (2): 247–257. doi:10.1007/s10508-009-9579-2. PMC 2894986. PMID 20039113.
^ Hare, L; Bernard, P; Sanchez, F; Baird, P; Vilain, E; Kennedy, T; Harley, V (2009). "Androgen Receptor Repeat Length Polymorphism Associated with Male-to-Female Transsexualism". Biological Psychiatry 65 (1): 93–6. doi:10.1016/j.biopsych.2008.08.033. PMID 18962445.
^ Bentz, E; Hefler, L; Kaufmann, U; Huber, J; Kolbus, A; Tempfer, C (2008). "A polymorphism of the CYP17 gene related to sex steroid metabolism is associated with female-to-male but not male-to-female transsexualism". Fertility and Sterility 90 (1): 56–9. doi:10.1016/j.fertnstert.2007.05.056. PMID 17765230.
^ Zhou, Jiang-Ning; Hofman, Michel A.; Gooren, Louis J. G.; Swaab, Dick F. (1995). "A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality". Nature 378 (6552): 68–70. doi:10.1038/378068a0. PMID 7477289.
^ Kruijver, F. P. M.; Zhou, JN; Pool, CW; Hofman, MA; Gooren, LJ; Swaab, DF (2000). "Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus". Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism 85 (5): 2034–41. doi:10.1210/jc.85.5.2034. PMID 10843193.
^ Chung, WC; De Vries, GJ; Swaab, DF (2002). "Sexual differentiation of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis in humans may extend into adulthood". The Journal of neuroscience 22 (3): 1027–33. PMID 11826131.
^ Gooren, L (2006). "The biology of human psychosexual differentiation". Hormones and behavior 50 (4): 589–601. doi:10.1016/j.yhbeh.2006.06.011. PMID 16870186.
^ Swaab, DF (2004). "Sexual differentiation of the human brain: relevance for gender identity, transsexualism and sexual orientation". Gynecological Endocrinology 19 (6): 301–12. doi:10.1080/09513590400018231. PMID 15724806.
^ Garcia-Falgueras, A.; Swaab, D. F. (2008). "A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity". Brain 131 (Pt 12): 3132–46. doi:10.1093/brain/awn276. PMID 18980961.
^ Luders, Eileen; Sánchez, Francisco J.; Gaser, Christian; Toga, Arthur W.; Narr, Katherine L.; Hamilton, Liberty S.; Vilain, Eric (2009). "Regional gray matter variation in male-to-female transsexualism". NeuroImage 46 (4): 904–7. doi:10.1016/j.neuroimage.2009.03.048. PMC 2754583. PMID 19341803.
^ Rametti, G; Carrillo, B; Gómez-Gil, E; Junque, C; Segovia, S; Gomez, A; Guillamon, A (2010). "White matter microstructure in female to male transsexuals before cross-sex hormonal treatment. A diffusion tensor imaging study". Journal of Psychiatric Research 45 (2): 199–204. doi:10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.05.006. PMID 20562024.
^ Pol, H. E H.; Cohen-Kettenis, P. T; Van Haren, N. E M; Peper, J. S; Brans, R. G H; Cahn, W.; Schnack, H. G; Gooren, L. J G et al. (2006). "Changing your sex changes your brain: influences of testosterone and estrogen on adult human brain structure". European Journal of Endocrinology 155: S107–S114. doi:10.1530/eje.1.02248.
^ Ramachandran, V. S. (2008). "Phantom Penises In Transsexuals". Journal of Consciousness Studies 15 (1): 5–16.
^ Berglund, H.; Lindstrom, P.; Dhejne-Helmy, C.; Savic, I. (2007). "Male-to-Female Transsexuals Show Sex-Atypical Hypothalamus Activation When Smelling Odorous Steroids". Cerebral Cortex 18 (8): 1900–8. doi:10.1093/cercor/bhm216. PMID 18056697.
^ Male-to-Female Transsexuals Show Sex-Atypical Hypothalamus Activation When Smelling Odorous Steroids (full article)
^ Schneider, H; Pickel, J; Stalla, G (2006). "Typical female 2nd–4th finger length (2D:4D) ratios in male-to-female transsexuals—possible implications for prenatal androgen exposure". Psychoneuroendocrinology 31 (2): 265–9. doi:10.1016/j.psyneuen.2005.07.005. PMID 16140461.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Not sure why you couldn't provide links to these articles, unless it was in the effort to show how intellectual you are. I really don't have the time to look up all of these articles, but what I can see so far is that almost every article is based on hormone imbalances and steroidal/hormonal treatment. If you are intending to state that gender identity disorder is based off of a hormonal imbalance, then why the need to validate this disorder as acceptable? Further, your articles fail to explain the effect that external stimuli such as social or family influences have on hormone levels, neurotransmitter efficacy, and brain development. I will concede that hormones play a part in gender confusion, if you will concede that there is an external stimulus component as well. Either way, they are NOT okay the way they are, they need help, and the subject of this article describes a very damaging response that will only further restrict them from recovery.
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Typical american christians, the biggest opponents and bible thumbers when it comes to gay, transgender etc. This was one thing I just couldn't understand about you americans during my yrs in the states. It's aa shame that an advanced society still is stuck in old stuff like that.
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"Old stuff" like the facts of biology and the fact that women have babies and men beget them? Yes, I suppose you could say we're still hung up on that sort of "old stuff."

I'm neither American nor a Bible Thumper, but I do recognize plain old common sense when I see it.
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Next will be numerous articles why People are addicted to Robots....


Just more deceptions, why people are going off the deep-end...
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Typical american christians, the biggest opponents and bible thumbers when it comes to gay, transgender etc. This was one thing I just couldn't understand about you americans during my yrs in the states. It's aa shame that an advanced society still is stuck in old stuff like that.
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Immorality and the examples of it have never changed, only the world's acceptance of it and indifference to it.
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Just more deceptions, why people are going off the deep-end...
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It always gets me when a condescending socialite or intellectual blowhard from Europe passes judgment on a God-fearing country like the United States, but fails to identify the putrid and disgusting state that Europe has descended into.
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OP, your a peddler of hate and it is very unlike Christ.
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You are a scary brainwashed fool.

I'm sick of having this sin and sexual deviation thrust upon us with a club.

My niece was a sweet young girl who loved animals and wanted to be a vet. She was forced, in public school, to read Dreams from my Father, before Obama was even President. She was taught he was a great man. She was indoctrinated with everything Al Gore said about climate change. She was told homosexuality was normal, nay, better than heterosexuality - very esoteric and open minded. She fell in love with a boy who was convinced he should wear girls clothes. Still confused about him years later, her Facebook page lists her as "in a complicated relationship." Yeah, I guess so. A dead end and a tragic relationship.

Now, in her 20's and in college, she is a total mess. She is into guys who like guys and guys who cross dress. She likes to wear a mustache on occassion and lear at other women. She considers herself "pansexual" - she thinks it's okay to have sex with anything and anyone - her beliefs only preclude animals and dead people. I didn't see anything about precluding children on the Pansexual Facebook page that she is affiliated with and has thousands of members.

She is an angry person. Every day she posts vulgarities - whether it's telling men not to control her vagina or inacurrately quoting bible verses saying God/Jesus supported homosexuality. Many of her Facebook "likes" say things about Christians being "assholes" or how homophobes should be "eliminated" - or physically hurt in some way.

She is in the Climate Change Club and has a job lined up in the DC political arena to fight climate change at the Federal level. Her hundreds of liked Facebook pages are mostly LGBT related. She lives and breathes nothing else. Even her daily blast of humor postings are mostly genitalia related.

She was raised in the protestant church and attended church every Sunday with her parents. She was an only child and a sickly child, so her parents pampered her and accepted anything she wanted to do and any belief she acquired. THEY adapted to her belief system so as not to "lose" her.

Due to her being sickly, and also a very unattractive girl, she probably felt "different" - which led to her being sucked in by the freaks of society. Yes, I say freaks. God may love them, I don't dispute that, but they the kind of people parents used to keep their children away from.

I watched our 10 year old neighbor turn from a sweet little girl to yelling the F word and making out with her schoolmate - a girl - to entertain the boys on her front lawn. Oversexualized and homosexualized, we've lost the youth of this country. And I am mad as hell and sick of tip-toeing around these women who want to grab other womens breasts, or boys that want to stick a shot glass up their male friends ass. Done with being P.C.
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Actually, I feel bad for your niece. There is more to the story here I think. It's very convoluted and messy. This is one of those instances that is out there. No judgement here.

On the last part, parents play a huge role in the development of our children. Hope things get brighter in the future.
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With your soft words, you managed to deny the obvious point of this post and spread some blame on to the parents. Neither is justified. You were trying to do damage control, let it be a total failure.

This little girl is a tragedy, although she'll be well supported in the District of Corruption for her LGBT lifestyle. And being well supported that way until her fertility is gone, she'll not replicate in the gene pool.

Here's hoping she feels the pangs of normality and decides to change before it's too late. Maybe seeing the lifestyle write large in DC will trigger some idea or recognition in her. She's been screwed up by social messages and I pray she finds the truth.
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OP, your a peddler of hate and it is very unlike Christ.
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What is hate about this??? Still trying to get that square peg in a round hole?? it still does not work....
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yeah it works fine for 99.99% of the people.

fuck the transgenders.
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Interesting - for someone who demands academic and scientific validation, you don't seem to put the same emphasis on yourself. Where is this plethora of proof proving the biological origins of gender disorders?
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Here you go....happy reading...



^ Curtis, R.; et. al. (March 2009). "Transgender experiences – Information and support" (PDF). NHS. pp. 12. Retrieved 2012-07-01.
^ Desire for Surgical Sex Transmutation: An Insane Fancy of Near Males. D.O. Cauldwell. 2001 reprint in the International Journal of Transgenderism Vol. 5 Number 2 of a paper published in 1947.
^ Benjamin, H. (1966). The transsexual phenomenon. New York: Julian Press, page 85.
^ "David Reimer, subject of 'sex reassignment,' dead at 38".
^ Colapinto, J (2001). As Nature Made Him: The Boy Who Was Raised as a Girl. Harper Perennial. ISBN 0-06-092959-6. Revised in 2006
^ Intersex Society of North America | A world free of shame, secrecy, and unwanted genital surgery
^ Blanchard, RAY (1989). "The Concept of Autogynephilia and the Typology of Male Gender Dysphoria". The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease 177 (10): 616–23. doi:10.1097/00005053-198910000-00004. PMID 2794988.
^ Freund, Kurt; Steiner, Betty W.; Chan, Samuel (1982). "Two types of cross-gender identity". Archives of Sexual Behavior 11 (1): 49–63. doi:10.1007/BF01541365. PMID 7073469.
^ Blanchard, Ray (1989). "The classification and labeling of nonhomosexual gender dysphorias". Archives of Sexual Behavior 18 (4): 315–34. doi:10.1007/BF01541951. PMID 2673136.
^ Blanchard, Ray (1988). "Nonhomosexual gender dysphoria". Journal of Sex Research 24: 188. doi:10.1080/00224498809551410.
^ Blanchard, R (1989). "The concept of autogynephilia and the typology of male gender dysphoria". The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease 177 (10): 616–23. doi:10.1097/00005053-198910000-00004. PMID 2794988.
^ Blancard, Ray (Winter 1991). "Clinical observations and systematic studies of autogynephilia". Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy 17 (4): 235–51. doi:10.1080/00926239108404348. PMID 1815090.
^ Bailey, J. M. (2003). The Man Who Would Be Queen: The Science of Gender-Bending and Transsexualism. Joseph Henry Press. ISBN 0-309-08418-0.[page needed]
^ Veale, Jaimie F.; Clarke, Dave E.; Lomax, Terri C. (2008). "Sexuality of Male-to-Female Transsexuals". Archives of Sexual Behavior 37 (4): 586–597. doi:10.1007/s10508-007-9306-9. PMID 18299976.
^ Moser, Charles (2009). "Autogynephilia in Women". Journal of Homosexuality 56 (5): 539–547. doi:10.1080/00918360903005212. PMID 19591032.
^ Moser, Charles (2010). "Blanchard's Autogynephilia Theory: A Critique". Journal of Homosexuality 57 (6): 790–809. doi:10.1080/00918369.2010.486241. PMID 20582803.
^ Nuttbrock, L; Bockting, W; Mason, M; Hwahng, S; Rosenblum, A; Macri, M; Becker, J (2010). "A Further Assessment of Blanchard’s Typology of Homosexual Versus Non-Homosexual or Autogynephilic Gender Dysphoria". Archives of Sexual Behavior 40 (2): 247–257. doi:10.1007/s10508-009-9579-2. PMC 2894986. PMID 20039113.
^ Hare, L; Bernard, P; Sanchez, F; Baird, P; Vilain, E; Kennedy, T; Harley, V (2009). "Androgen Receptor Repeat Length Polymorphism Associated with Male-to-Female Transsexualism". Biological Psychiatry 65 (1): 93–6. doi:10.1016/j.biopsych.2008.08.033. PMID 18962445.
^ Bentz, E; Hefler, L; Kaufmann, U; Huber, J; Kolbus, A; Tempfer, C (2008). "A polymorphism of the CYP17 gene related to sex steroid metabolism is associated with female-to-male but not male-to-female transsexualism". Fertility and Sterility 90 (1): 56–9. doi:10.1016/j.fertnstert.2007.05.056. PMID 17765230.
^ Zhou, Jiang-Ning; Hofman, Michel A.; Gooren, Louis J. G.; Swaab, Dick F. (1995). "A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality". Nature 378 (6552): 68–70. doi:10.1038/378068a0. PMID 7477289.
^ Kruijver, F. P. M.; Zhou, JN; Pool, CW; Hofman, MA; Gooren, LJ; Swaab, DF (2000). "Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus". Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism 85 (5): 2034–41. doi:10.1210/jc.85.5.2034. PMID 10843193.
^ Chung, WC; De Vries, GJ; Swaab, DF (2002). "Sexual differentiation of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis in humans may extend into adulthood". The Journal of neuroscience 22 (3): 1027–33. PMID 11826131.
^ Gooren, L (2006). "The biology of human psychosexual differentiation". Hormones and behavior 50 (4): 589–601. doi:10.1016/j.yhbeh.2006.06.011. PMID 16870186.
^ Swaab, DF (2004). "Sexual differentiation of the human brain: relevance for gender identity, transsexualism and sexual orientation". Gynecological Endocrinology 19 (6): 301–12. doi:10.1080/09513590400018231. PMID 15724806.
^ Garcia-Falgueras, A.; Swaab, D. F. (2008). "A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity". Brain 131 (Pt 12): 3132–46. doi:10.1093/brain/awn276. PMID 18980961.
^ Luders, Eileen; Sánchez, Francisco J.; Gaser, Christian; Toga, Arthur W.; Narr, Katherine L.; Hamilton, Liberty S.; Vilain, Eric (2009). "Regional gray matter variation in male-to-female transsexualism". NeuroImage 46 (4): 904–7. doi:10.1016/j.neuroimage.2009.03.048. PMC 2754583. PMID 19341803.
^ Rametti, G; Carrillo, B; Gómez-Gil, E; Junque, C; Segovia, S; Gomez, A; Guillamon, A (2010). "White matter microstructure in female to male transsexuals before cross-sex hormonal treatment. A diffusion tensor imaging study". Journal of Psychiatric Research 45 (2): 199–204. doi:10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.05.006. PMID 20562024.
^ Pol, H. E H.; Cohen-Kettenis, P. T; Van Haren, N. E M; Peper, J. S; Brans, R. G H; Cahn, W.; Schnack, H. G; Gooren, L. J G et al. (2006). "Changing your sex changes your brain: influences of testosterone and estrogen on adult human brain structure". European Journal of Endocrinology 155: S107–S114. doi:10.1530/eje.1.02248.
^ Ramachandran, V. S. (2008). "Phantom Penises In Transsexuals". Journal of Consciousness Studies 15 (1): 5–16.
^ Berglund, H.; Lindstrom, P.; Dhejne-Helmy, C.; Savic, I. (2007). "Male-to-Female Transsexuals Show Sex-Atypical Hypothalamus Activation When Smelling Odorous Steroids". Cerebral Cortex 18 (8): 1900–8. doi:10.1093/cercor/bhm216. PMID 18056697.
^ Male-to-Female Transsexuals Show Sex-Atypical Hypothalamus Activation When Smelling Odorous Steroids (full article)
^ Schneider, H; Pickel, J; Stalla, G (2006). "Typical female 2nd–4th finger length (2D:4D) ratios in male-to-female transsexuals—possible implications for prenatal androgen exposure". Psychoneuroendocrinology 31 (2): 265–9. doi:10.1016/j.psyneuen.2005.07.005. PMID 16140461.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Not sure why you couldn't provide links to these articles, unless it was in the effort to show how intellectual you are. I really don't have the time to look up all of these articles, but what I can see so far is that almost every article is based on hormone imbalances and steroidal/hormonal treatment. If you are intending to state that gender identity disorder is based off of a hormonal imbalance, then why the need to validate this disorder as acceptable? Further, your articles fail to explain the effect that external stimuli such as social or family influences have on hormone levels, neurotransmitter efficacy, and brain development. I will concede that hormones play a part in gender confusion, if you will concede that there is an external stimulus component as well. Either way, they are NOT okay the way they are, they need help, and the subject of this article describes a very damaging response that will only further restrict them from recovery.
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If it's all based on hormone imbalances, then they should test little girls and boys for hormones, then assign them to the hormone-appropriate bathrooms.

Not this "I feel like a boy" or "I feel like a girl" stuff. That's just designed to prevent procreation, afaict.
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^ Curtis, R.; et. al. (March 2009). "Transgender experiences – Information and support" (PDF). NHS. pp. 12. Retrieved 2012-07-01.
^ Desire for Surgical Sex Transmutation: An Insane Fancy of Near Males. D.O. Cauldwell. 2001 reprint in the International Journal of Transgenderism Vol. 5 Number 2 of a paper published in 1947.
^ Benjamin, H. (1966). The transsexual phenomenon. New York: Julian Press, page 85.
^ "David Reimer, subject of 'sex reassignment,' dead at 38".
^ Colapinto, J (2001). As Nature Made Him: The Boy Who Was Raised as a Girl. Harper Perennial. ISBN 0-06-092959-6. Revised in 2006
^ Intersex Society of North America | A world free of shame, secrecy, and unwanted genital surgery
^ Blanchard, RAY (1989). "The Concept of Autogynephilia and the Typology of Male Gender Dysphoria". The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease 177 (10): 616–23. doi:10.1097/00005053-198910000-00004. PMID 2794988.
^ Freund, Kurt; Steiner, Betty W.; Chan, Samuel (1982). "Two types of cross-gender identity". Archives of Sexual Behavior 11 (1): 49–63. doi:10.1007/BF01541365. PMID 7073469.
^ Blanchard, Ray (1989). "The classification and labeling of nonhomosexual gender dysphorias". Archives of Sexual Behavior 18 (4): 315–34. doi:10.1007/BF01541951. PMID 2673136.
^ Blanchard, Ray (1988). "Nonhomosexual gender dysphoria". Journal of Sex Research 24: 188. doi:10.1080/00224498809551410.
^ Blanchard, R (1989). "The concept of autogynephilia and the typology of male gender dysphoria". The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease 177 (10): 616–23. doi:10.1097/00005053-198910000-00004. PMID 2794988.
^ Blancard, Ray (Winter 1991). "Clinical observations and systematic studies of autogynephilia". Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy 17 (4): 235–51. doi:10.1080/00926239108404348. PMID 1815090.
^ Bailey, J. M. (2003). The Man Who Would Be Queen: The Science of Gender-Bending and Transsexualism. Joseph Henry Press. ISBN 0-309-08418-0.[page needed]
^ Veale, Jaimie F.; Clarke, Dave E.; Lomax, Terri C. (2008). "Sexuality of Male-to-Female Transsexuals". Archives of Sexual Behavior 37 (4): 586–597. doi:10.1007/s10508-007-9306-9. PMID 18299976.
^ Moser, Charles (2009). "Autogynephilia in Women". Journal of Homosexuality 56 (5): 539–547. doi:10.1080/00918360903005212. PMID 19591032.
^ Moser, Charles (2010). "Blanchard's Autogynephilia Theory: A Critique". Journal of Homosexuality 57 (6): 790–809. doi:10.1080/00918369.2010.486241. PMID 20582803.
^ Nuttbrock, L; Bockting, W; Mason, M; Hwahng, S; Rosenblum, A; Macri, M; Becker, J (2010). "A Further Assessment of Blanchard’s Typology of Homosexual Versus Non-Homosexual or Autogynephilic Gender Dysphoria". Archives of Sexual Behavior 40 (2): 247–257. doi:10.1007/s10508-009-9579-2. PMC 2894986. PMID 20039113.
^ Hare, L; Bernard, P; Sanchez, F; Baird, P; Vilain, E; Kennedy, T; Harley, V (2009). "Androgen Receptor Repeat Length Polymorphism Associated with Male-to-Female Transsexualism". Biological Psychiatry 65 (1): 93–6. doi:10.1016/j.biopsych.2008.08.033. PMID 18962445.
^ Bentz, E; Hefler, L; Kaufmann, U; Huber, J; Kolbus, A; Tempfer, C (2008). "A polymorphism of the CYP17 gene related to sex steroid metabolism is associated with female-to-male but not male-to-female transsexualism". Fertility and Sterility 90 (1): 56–9. doi:10.1016/j.fertnstert.2007.05.056. PMID 17765230.
^ Zhou, Jiang-Ning; Hofman, Michel A.; Gooren, Louis J. G.; Swaab, Dick F. (1995). "A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality". Nature 378 (6552): 68–70. doi:10.1038/378068a0. PMID 7477289.
^ Kruijver, F. P. M.; Zhou, JN; Pool, CW; Hofman, MA; Gooren, LJ; Swaab, DF (2000). "Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus". Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism 85 (5): 2034–41. doi:10.1210/jc.85.5.2034. PMID 10843193.
^ Chung, WC; De Vries, GJ; Swaab, DF (2002). "Sexual differentiation of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis in humans may extend into adulthood". The Journal of neuroscience 22 (3): 1027–33. PMID 11826131.
^ Gooren, L (2006). "The biology of human psychosexual differentiation". Hormones and behavior 50 (4): 589–601. doi:10.1016/j.yhbeh.2006.06.011. PMID 16870186.
^ Swaab, DF (2004). "Sexual differentiation of the human brain: relevance for gender identity, transsexualism and sexual orientation". Gynecological Endocrinology 19 (6): 301–12. doi:10.1080/09513590400018231. PMID 15724806.
^ Garcia-Falgueras, A.; Swaab, D. F. (2008). "A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity". Brain 131 (Pt 12): 3132–46. doi:10.1093/brain/awn276. PMID 18980961.
^ Luders, Eileen; Sánchez, Francisco J.; Gaser, Christian; Toga, Arthur W.; Narr, Katherine L.; Hamilton, Liberty S.; Vilain, Eric (2009). "Regional gray matter variation in male-to-female transsexualism". NeuroImage 46 (4): 904–7. doi:10.1016/j.neuroimage.2009.03.048. PMC 2754583. PMID 19341803.
^ Rametti, G; Carrillo, B; Gómez-Gil, E; Junque, C; Segovia, S; Gomez, A; Guillamon, A (2010). "White matter microstructure in female to male transsexuals before cross-sex hormonal treatment. A diffusion tensor imaging study". Journal of Psychiatric Research 45 (2): 199–204. doi:10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.05.006. PMID 20562024.
^ Pol, H. E H.; Cohen-Kettenis, P. T; Van Haren, N. E M; Peper, J. S; Brans, R. G H; Cahn, W.; Schnack, H. G; Gooren, L. J G et al. (2006). "Changing your sex changes your brain: influences of testosterone and estrogen on adult human brain structure". European Journal of Endocrinology 155: S107–S114. doi:10.1530/eje.1.02248.
^ Ramachandran, V. S. (2008). "Phantom Penises In Transsexuals". Journal of Consciousness Studies 15 (1): 5–16.
^ Berglund, H.; Lindstrom, P.; Dhejne-Helmy, C.; Savic, I. (2007). "Male-to-Female Transsexuals Show Sex-Atypical Hypothalamus Activation When Smelling Odorous Steroids". Cerebral Cortex 18 (8): 1900–8. doi:10.1093/cercor/bhm216. PMID 18056697.
^ Male-to-Female Transsexuals Show Sex-Atypical Hypothalamus Activation When Smelling Odorous Steroids (full article)
^ Schneider, H; Pickel, J; Stalla, G (2006). "Typical female 2nd–4th finger length (2D:4D) ratios in male-to-female transsexuals—possible implications for prenatal androgen exposure". Psychoneuroendocrinology 31 (2): 265–9. doi:10.1016/j.psyneuen.2005.07.005. PMID 16140461.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Not sure why you couldn't provide links to these articles, unless it was in the effort to show how intellectual you are. I really don't have the time to look up all of these articles, but what I can see so far is that almost every article is based on hormone imbalances and steroidal/hormonal treatment. If you are intending to state that gender identity disorder is based off of a hormonal imbalance, then why the need to validate this disorder as acceptable? Further, your articles fail to explain the effect that external stimuli such as social or family influences have on hormone levels, neurotransmitter efficacy, and brain development. I will concede that hormones play a part in gender confusion, if you will concede that there is an external stimulus component as well. Either way, they are NOT okay the way they are, they need help, and the subject of this article describes a very damaging response that will only further restrict them from recovery.
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If it's all based on hormone imbalances, then they should test little girls and boys for hormones, then assign them to the hormone-appropriate bathrooms.

Not this "I feel like a boy" or "I feel like a girl" stuff. That's just designed to prevent procreation, afaict.
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They don't have to test little girls and boys for anything. Just take them into a private area, ask them to take down their panties, and go by what is down there.
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Not sure why you couldn't provide links to these articles, unless it was in the effort to show how intellectual you are. I really don't have the time to look up all of these articles, but what I can see so far is that almost every article is based on hormone imbalances and steroidal/hormonal treatment. If you are intending to state that gender identity disorder is based off of a hormonal imbalance, then why the need to validate this disorder as acceptable? Further, your articles fail to explain the effect that external stimuli such as social or family influences have on hormone levels, neurotransmitter efficacy, and brain development. I will concede that hormones play a part in gender confusion, if you will concede that there is an external stimulus component as well. Either way, they are NOT okay the way they are, they need help, and the subject of this article describes a very damaging response that will only further restrict them from recovery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 516644


If it's all based on hormone imbalances, then they should test little girls and boys for hormones, then assign them to the hormone-appropriate bathrooms.

Not this "I feel like a boy" or "I feel like a girl" stuff. That's just designed to prevent procreation, afaict.
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They don't have to test little girls and boys for anything. Just take them into a private area, ask them to take down their panties, and go by what is down there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33389306


Or, continue doing as we are doing now, which is the same thing. I've never heard of say a little girl coming to school and in fifth grade they discovered he was really a little boy. At age 5 or 6 there seems to be no deception going on.

You'll get no argument from me. But this seems far to simple for the psychobabble folks.
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This extremely rare problem seems to be getting commoner as it becomes more politically correct. Being transgendered is becoming the latest fad.
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This extremely rare problem seems to be getting commoner as it becomes more politically correct. Being transgendered is becoming the latest fad.
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They just went from Transvestite to Transgender.
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We've officially gone insane!

I have more of a problem with the fact that the other students will get into trouble if they don't acknowledge that Susie is a dude.

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This extremely rare problem seems to be getting commoner as it becomes more politically correct. Being transgendered is becoming the latest fad.
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You touched on a very important aspect, not just to gender confusion, but also to homosexuality. Kids and young adults see the added attention that these "special" people get with their new-found orientation, and they want that attention as well. Add to that, the effect of peer pressure and the immoral desensitization by popular culture and the MSM, the decision to become gay or transgender is almost forced upon them, otherwise they are labeled a homophobe and ostracized in much the same way they claim they are victims of. This is a culture of corruption, and it is sickening to see.
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Interesting - for someone who demands academic and scientific validation, you don't seem to put the same emphasis on yourself. Where is this plethora of proof proving the biological origins of gender disorders?
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Here you go....happy reading...



^ Curtis, R.; et. al. (March 2009). "Transgender experiences – Information and support" (PDF). NHS. pp. 12. Retrieved 2012-07-01.
^ Desire for Surgical Sex Transmutation: An Insane Fancy of Near Males. D.O. Cauldwell. 2001 reprint in the International Journal of Transgenderism Vol. 5 Number 2 of a paper published in 1947.
^ Benjamin, H. (1966). The transsexual phenomenon. New York: Julian Press, page 85.
^ "David Reimer, subject of 'sex reassignment,' dead at 38".
^ Colapinto, J (2001). As Nature Made Him: The Boy Who Was Raised as a Girl. Harper Perennial. ISBN 0-06-092959-6. Revised in 2006
^ Intersex Society of North America | A world free of shame, secrecy, and unwanted genital surgery
^ Blanchard, RAY (1989). "The Concept of Autogynephilia and the Typology of Male Gender Dysphoria". The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease 177 (10): 616–23. doi:10.1097/00005053-198910000-00004. PMID 2794988.
^ Freund, Kurt; Steiner, Betty W.; Chan, Samuel (1982). "Two types of cross-gender identity". Archives of Sexual Behavior 11 (1): 49–63. doi:10.1007/BF01541365. PMID 7073469.
^ Blanchard, Ray (1989). "The classification and labeling of nonhomosexual gender dysphorias". Archives of Sexual Behavior 18 (4): 315–34. doi:10.1007/BF01541951. PMID 2673136.
^ Blanchard, Ray (1988). "Nonhomosexual gender dysphoria". Journal of Sex Research 24: 188. doi:10.1080/00224498809551410.
^ Blanchard, R (1989). "The concept of autogynephilia and the typology of male gender dysphoria". The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease 177 (10): 616–23. doi:10.1097/00005053-198910000-00004. PMID 2794988.
^ Blancard, Ray (Winter 1991). "Clinical observations and systematic studies of autogynephilia". Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy 17 (4): 235–51. doi:10.1080/00926239108404348. PMID 1815090.
^ Bailey, J. M. (2003). The Man Who Would Be Queen: The Science of Gender-Bending and Transsexualism. Joseph Henry Press. ISBN 0-309-08418-0.[page needed]
^ Veale, Jaimie F.; Clarke, Dave E.; Lomax, Terri C. (2008). "Sexuality of Male-to-Female Transsexuals". Archives of Sexual Behavior 37 (4): 586–597. doi:10.1007/s10508-007-9306-9. PMID 18299976.
^ Moser, Charles (2009). "Autogynephilia in Women". Journal of Homosexuality 56 (5): 539–547. doi:10.1080/00918360903005212. PMID 19591032.
^ Moser, Charles (2010). "Blanchard's Autogynephilia Theory: A Critique". Journal of Homosexuality 57 (6): 790–809. doi:10.1080/00918369.2010.486241. PMID 20582803.
^ Nuttbrock, L; Bockting, W; Mason, M; Hwahng, S; Rosenblum, A; Macri, M; Becker, J (2010). "A Further Assessment of Blanchard’s Typology of Homosexual Versus Non-Homosexual or Autogynephilic Gender Dysphoria". Archives of Sexual Behavior 40 (2): 247–257. doi:10.1007/s10508-009-9579-2. PMC 2894986. PMID 20039113.
^ Hare, L; Bernard, P; Sanchez, F; Baird, P; Vilain, E; Kennedy, T; Harley, V (2009). "Androgen Receptor Repeat Length Polymorphism Associated with Male-to-Female Transsexualism". Biological Psychiatry 65 (1): 93–6. doi:10.1016/j.biopsych.2008.08.033. PMID 18962445.
^ Bentz, E; Hefler, L; Kaufmann, U; Huber, J; Kolbus, A; Tempfer, C (2008). "A polymorphism of the CYP17 gene related to sex steroid metabolism is associated with female-to-male but not male-to-female transsexualism". Fertility and Sterility 90 (1): 56–9. doi:10.1016/j.fertnstert.2007.05.056. PMID 17765230.
^ Zhou, Jiang-Ning; Hofman, Michel A.; Gooren, Louis J. G.; Swaab, Dick F. (1995). "A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality". Nature 378 (6552): 68–70. doi:10.1038/378068a0. PMID 7477289.
^ Kruijver, F. P. M.; Zhou, JN; Pool, CW; Hofman, MA; Gooren, LJ; Swaab, DF (2000). "Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus". Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism 85 (5): 2034–41. doi:10.1210/jc.85.5.2034. PMID 10843193.
^ Chung, WC; De Vries, GJ; Swaab, DF (2002). "Sexual differentiation of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis in humans may extend into adulthood". The Journal of neuroscience 22 (3): 1027–33. PMID 11826131.
^ Gooren, L (2006). "The biology of human psychosexual differentiation". Hormones and behavior 50 (4): 589–601. doi:10.1016/j.yhbeh.2006.06.011. PMID 16870186.
^ Swaab, DF (2004). "Sexual differentiation of the human brain: relevance for gender identity, transsexualism and sexual orientation". Gynecological Endocrinology 19 (6): 301–12. doi:10.1080/09513590400018231. PMID 15724806.
^ Garcia-Falgueras, A.; Swaab, D. F. (2008). "A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity". Brain 131 (Pt 12): 3132–46. doi:10.1093/brain/awn276. PMID 18980961.
^ Luders, Eileen; Sánchez, Francisco J.; Gaser, Christian; Toga, Arthur W.; Narr, Katherine L.; Hamilton, Liberty S.; Vilain, Eric (2009). "Regional gray matter variation in male-to-female transsexualism". NeuroImage 46 (4): 904–7. doi:10.1016/j.neuroimage.2009.03.048. PMC 2754583. PMID 19341803.
^ Rametti, G; Carrillo, B; Gómez-Gil, E; Junque, C; Segovia, S; Gomez, A; Guillamon, A (2010). "White matter microstructure in female to male transsexuals before cross-sex hormonal treatment. A diffusion tensor imaging study". Journal of Psychiatric Research 45 (2): 199–204. doi:10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.05.006. PMID 20562024.
^ Pol, H. E H.; Cohen-Kettenis, P. T; Van Haren, N. E M; Peper, J. S; Brans, R. G H; Cahn, W.; Schnack, H. G; Gooren, L. J G et al. (2006). "Changing your sex changes your brain: influences of testosterone and estrogen on adult human brain structure". European Journal of Endocrinology 155: S107–S114. doi:10.1530/eje.1.02248.
^ Ramachandran, V. S. (2008). "Phantom Penises In Transsexuals". Journal of Consciousness Studies 15 (1): 5–16.
^ Berglund, H.; Lindstrom, P.; Dhejne-Helmy, C.; Savic, I. (2007). "Male-to-Female Transsexuals Show Sex-Atypical Hypothalamus Activation When Smelling Odorous Steroids". Cerebral Cortex 18 (8): 1900–8. doi:10.1093/cercor/bhm216. PMID 18056697.
^ Male-to-Female Transsexuals Show Sex-Atypical Hypothalamus Activation When Smelling Odorous Steroids (full article)
^ Schneider, H; Pickel, J; Stalla, G (2006). "Typical female 2nd–4th finger length (2D:4D) ratios in male-to-female transsexuals—possible implications for prenatal androgen exposure". Psychoneuroendocrinology 31 (2): 265–9. doi:10.1016/j.psyneuen.2005.07.005. PMID 16140461.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Not sure why you couldn't provide links to these articles, unless it was in the effort to show how intellectual you are. I really don't have the time to look up all of these articles, but what I can see so far is that almost every article is based on hormone imbalances and steroidal/hormonal treatment. If you are intending to state that gender identity disorder is based off of a hormonal imbalance, then why the need to validate this disorder as acceptable? Further, your articles fail to explain the effect that external stimuli such as social or family influences have on hormone levels, neurotransmitter efficacy, and brain development. I will concede that hormones play a part in gender confusion, if you will concede that there is an external stimulus component as well. Either way, they are NOT okay the way they are, they need help, and the subject of this article describes a very damaging response that will only further restrict them from recovery.
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It is not a disorder and you will see that is being aptly pulled from the DSM 5 as a term. As a poster above pointed out it is very rare and yes..."true transsexuals" are approximately .01% of the overall total population.

I will agree that there may actually be an external stimuli component involved with SOME individuals that fall under the "transgender" umbrella term. I personally approach that term as a pronoun in practice. The actual "transgender" community makes up a small percentage of society to begin with and "true transsexuals" (those with the strong potential of having a hormonal imbalance in utero) make up an even smaller percentage of just the "Transgender" Community.

I do think there is still a lot of education and study to be put forth in deciding just who these individuals are and providing the appropriate course of treatment for them rather than lumping them into a one size fits all modality that does not truly address the root causality and I think that is starting to occur in the Psychiatric community.

I do not think ANY child that wishes to use the "bathroom" of their perceived Gender Identity should be restricted from being allowed that privilege as long as that child is getting adequate counseling and support, and there is the rub, how do we define "adequate counseling and support"?

Here are a some of the actual links but you will probably be "to busy" to read any of the documentation presented.

[link to dbm.neuro.uni-jena.de]
[link to faculty.bennington.edu]
[link to imatyfa.org]
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
[link to www.umass.edu]
[link to www.shb-info.org]
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Look, you are a lesser human being to begin with...do not concern yourself with real life issues

If you had gone to school you would have learned that every fetus begins as female. At an early stage of EVERY PREGNANCY hormones are introduced by the mother and the fetus will then remain female or develope male...look it up, but use science based web sites not religious based, so you will learn

It will be proven someday that gender related issues can be caused by problems at that early stage of develoment...a birth defect.

It will be proven that most gender related issues are not a lifestyle or life choice...many of these people are simply born that way

I hate the world because of morons like you and the OP. You hate your own pointless, worthless, meaningless, lives and you seek out every little difference you can find in people to avoid the mirror that is that waste of life you live.

I see people with challenges in life and I only want what can make those challenges less of a weight or burden of what they must face everyday. For a piece of filth like you and the OP, you only wish to use your twisted minds to add pain to those who suffer enough.

I laugh at you, as you are more challenged than the child you attack on this thread. You, the OP, and a few others are challenged by ignorance, stupidity, and the lack of vision. You can't see REALITY you only see what you have been told to see.

Reality is this kid with the gender issue will face so many life struggles and social stressors that pain can be around every corner as long as he or she lives...how can you not see that?

Living with that threat of pain is not a LIFE anyone would choose to live...that child has no choice. Suppress it for life and become angry hateful people like you and the OP, or face REALITY and try and find a life worth living.

The parents of kids who face any challenge, do their best to create a world for their children to live in. In the past, people like you hated blacks, hispanics, Asains, anyone who was different from you. You didn't want them to work, go to school, or live next door to you because you are, what did you say...oh yeah, the "99.999%" that shouldn't have to "conform to these idiots", yeah, that's what you said.

Well, you are wrong my moronic poster...you are not the "99.999%" of ANYTHING! Look in the mirror, see that piece of pig waste looking back? That's you! Your twisted way of hate is slowly fading away. As more and more of the morons like you die of old age, fewer and fewer morons are being raised now because we are creating a society that allows for children with "special needs" to function in social surroundings and not hidden away like you want.

Yeah, think about it and keep looking in your mirror A/C16563586. When that ugly, repugnant, putrid, mass of matter that is looking back, begins to take human form...you will begin to see life for what it really is.

Life will eventually impose pain on every one of us....no need to impose pain on each other till then.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1094960


Let me get this straight - you are forming your opinion off of what you call scientific fact, even though it has never been proven as a birth defect? You are absolutely right, these kids need our help, but not the help you subscribe to where you ignore what is wrong with them and allow them to continue on with a false sense of pride in being "different" and "special". They have a mental illness that HAS been proven to be corrected with specialized counseling and gender development. You want to ignore the greater problem here, which is that most of these children were not born with this - the problem developed as the result of social or parental stimuli - such as living in a single parent home with no proper interpersonal relationship development, family dysfunction, sexual abuse, etc. You would rather lie to the child and tell them that they are fine just the way there are, when it is clear they are not. Your moral indifference and blind apathy will only bring these kids more suffering, because they will never fit in anywhere as long as they are lied to and told there is nothing wrong with them. You are part of the problem, and you will continue to hurt these kids as long as you are emotionally dishonest with them. Criticism sucks, got it - but it is necessary for us to develop, ALL of us.
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This is the type of "insanity" that is destroying the world.

You are the individual with a "mental illness"...you are insane.

I call you insane from the blanket statement you make that something has been "proven" that has not, and your solution to a issue that is with the individual and not society.

Lack of understanding is part of your insane ramblings.

With gender issues directly I can state as FACT that transgender behavior has been a part of human culture throughout history.

Ancient Rome, China, Greece, Africa, even North America, everywhere you look throughout history you will find transgender behavior.

Rome's Emperor Elagabalus, the Hijras of India, King Ashurbanipal of Assyria, William Shakespeare used cross-dressing men as women on stage, Japanese Kabuki used cross-dressing, etc, etc, etc,.

This FACT would discredit your theory that is a social developmental problem...you would have us all believe that this issue is just a big Jerry Springer episode, hence the claim you are the one who has the mental illness.

Reality is no one knows for sure what causes many of today's health concerns. The "SCIENCE" tells how we develope as fetuses...and the FACT of that SCIENCE is gender is INTRODUCED not predetermined!!!!

Relax, take a moment, think about it, and realize I am right and you are wrong...then start life over again with the gift I have given you of an open mind.

Science and medicine from 100 years ago did not know as much as science and medicine today...and I promise you that science and medicine of today does not know as much as science and medicine will know 100 years from now.

What you think you know...you do not know. All I know and understand is, we have to help those who seek help and bend when we must. Your way of having an answer for a problem you may not understand, lacks vision and leads to suffering for your comfort of mind.

Back off and let those among us with sense enough to understand human behavior, make the decisions...you bury yourself in your confusion and we will sort things out for you.

Medical or mental, social or biological, error on the side of decency not hate...let go of that anger and your "mental illness" may resolve itself.
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^ Curtis, R.; et. al. (March 2009). "Transgender experiences – Information and support" (PDF). NHS. pp. 12. Retrieved 2012-07-01.
^ Desire for Surgical Sex Transmutation: An Insane Fancy of Near Males. D.O. Cauldwell. 2001 reprint in the International Journal of Transgenderism Vol. 5 Number 2 of a paper published in 1947.
^ Benjamin, H. (1966). The transsexual phenomenon. New York: Julian Press, page 85.
^ "David Reimer, subject of 'sex reassignment,' dead at 38".
^ Colapinto, J (2001). As Nature Made Him: The Boy Who Was Raised as a Girl. Harper Perennial. ISBN 0-06-092959-6. Revised in 2006
^ Intersex Society of North America | A world free of shame, secrecy, and unwanted genital surgery
^ Blanchard, RAY (1989). "The Concept of Autogynephilia and the Typology of Male Gender Dysphoria". The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease 177 (10): 616–23. doi:10.1097/00005053-198910000-00004. PMID 2794988.
^ Freund, Kurt; Steiner, Betty W.; Chan, Samuel (1982). "Two types of cross-gender identity". Archives of Sexual Behavior 11 (1): 49–63. doi:10.1007/BF01541365. PMID 7073469.
^ Blanchard, Ray (1989). "The classification and labeling of nonhomosexual gender dysphorias". Archives of Sexual Behavior 18 (4): 315–34. doi:10.1007/BF01541951. PMID 2673136.
^ Blanchard, Ray (1988). "Nonhomosexual gender dysphoria". Journal of Sex Research 24: 188. doi:10.1080/00224498809551410.
^ Blanchard, R (1989). "The concept of autogynephilia and the typology of male gender dysphoria". The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease 177 (10): 616–23. doi:10.1097/00005053-198910000-00004. PMID 2794988.
^ Blancard, Ray (Winter 1991). "Clinical observations and systematic studies of autogynephilia". Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy 17 (4): 235–51. doi:10.1080/00926239108404348. PMID 1815090.
^ Bailey, J. M. (2003). The Man Who Would Be Queen: The Science of Gender-Bending and Transsexualism. Joseph Henry Press. ISBN 0-309-08418-0.[page needed]
^ Veale, Jaimie F.; Clarke, Dave E.; Lomax, Terri C. (2008). "Sexuality of Male-to-Female Transsexuals". Archives of Sexual Behavior 37 (4): 586–597. doi:10.1007/s10508-007-9306-9. PMID 18299976.
^ Moser, Charles (2009). "Autogynephilia in Women". Journal of Homosexuality 56 (5): 539–547. doi:10.1080/00918360903005212. PMID 19591032.
^ Moser, Charles (2010). "Blanchard's Autogynephilia Theory: A Critique". Journal of Homosexuality 57 (6): 790–809. doi:10.1080/00918369.2010.486241. PMID 20582803.
^ Nuttbrock, L; Bockting, W; Mason, M; Hwahng, S; Rosenblum, A; Macri, M; Becker, J (2010). "A Further Assessment of Blanchard’s Typology of Homosexual Versus Non-Homosexual or Autogynephilic Gender Dysphoria". Archives of Sexual Behavior 40 (2): 247–257. doi:10.1007/s10508-009-9579-2. PMC 2894986. PMID 20039113.
^ Hare, L; Bernard, P; Sanchez, F; Baird, P; Vilain, E; Kennedy, T; Harley, V (2009). "Androgen Receptor Repeat Length Polymorphism Associated with Male-to-Female Transsexualism". Biological Psychiatry 65 (1): 93–6. doi:10.1016/j.biopsych.2008.08.033. PMID 18962445.
^ Bentz, E; Hefler, L; Kaufmann, U; Huber, J; Kolbus, A; Tempfer, C (2008). "A polymorphism of the CYP17 gene related to sex steroid metabolism is associated with female-to-male but not male-to-female transsexualism". Fertility and Sterility 90 (1): 56–9. doi:10.1016/j.fertnstert.2007.05.056. PMID 17765230.
^ Zhou, Jiang-Ning; Hofman, Michel A.; Gooren, Louis J. G.; Swaab, Dick F. (1995). "A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality". Nature 378 (6552): 68–70. doi:10.1038/378068a0. PMID 7477289.
^ Kruijver, F. P. M.; Zhou, JN; Pool, CW; Hofman, MA; Gooren, LJ; Swaab, DF (2000). "Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus". Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism 85 (5): 2034–41. doi:10.1210/jc.85.5.2034. PMID 10843193.
^ Chung, WC; De Vries, GJ; Swaab, DF (2002). "Sexual differentiation of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis in humans may extend into adulthood". The Journal of neuroscience 22 (3): 1027–33. PMID 11826131.
^ Gooren, L (2006). "The biology of human psychosexual differentiation". Hormones and behavior 50 (4): 589–601. doi:10.1016/j.yhbeh.2006.06.011. PMID 16870186.
^ Swaab, DF (2004). "Sexual differentiation of the human brain: relevance for gender identity, transsexualism and sexual orientation". Gynecological Endocrinology 19 (6): 301–12. doi:10.1080/09513590400018231. PMID 15724806.
^ Garcia-Falgueras, A.; Swaab, D. F. (2008). "A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity". Brain 131 (Pt 12): 3132–46. doi:10.1093/brain/awn276. PMID 18980961.
^ Luders, Eileen; Sánchez, Francisco J.; Gaser, Christian; Toga, Arthur W.; Narr, Katherine L.; Hamilton, Liberty S.; Vilain, Eric (2009). "Regional gray matter variation in male-to-female transsexualism". NeuroImage 46 (4): 904–7. doi:10.1016/j.neuroimage.2009.03.048. PMC 2754583. PMID 19341803.
^ Rametti, G; Carrillo, B; Gómez-Gil, E; Junque, C; Segovia, S; Gomez, A; Guillamon, A (2010). "White matter microstructure in female to male transsexuals before cross-sex hormonal treatment. A diffusion tensor imaging study". Journal of Psychiatric Research 45 (2): 199–204. doi:10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.05.006. PMID 20562024.
^ Pol, H. E H.; Cohen-Kettenis, P. T; Van Haren, N. E M; Peper, J. S; Brans, R. G H; Cahn, W.; Schnack, H. G; Gooren, L. J G et al. (2006). "Changing your sex changes your brain: influences of testosterone and estrogen on adult human brain structure". European Journal of Endocrinology 155: S107–S114. doi:10.1530/eje.1.02248.
^ Ramachandran, V. S. (2008). "Phantom Penises In Transsexuals". Journal of Consciousness Studies 15 (1): 5–16.
^ Berglund, H.; Lindstrom, P.; Dhejne-Helmy, C.; Savic, I. (2007). "Male-to-Female Transsexuals Show Sex-Atypical Hypothalamus Activation When Smelling Odorous Steroids". Cerebral Cortex 18 (8): 1900–8. doi:10.1093/cercor/bhm216. PMID 18056697.
^ Male-to-Female Transsexuals Show Sex-Atypical Hypothalamus Activation When Smelling Odorous Steroids (full article)
^ Schneider, H; Pickel, J; Stalla, G (2006). "Typical female 2nd–4th finger length (2D:4D) ratios in male-to-female transsexuals—possible implications for prenatal androgen exposure". Psychoneuroendocrinology 31 (2): 265–9. doi:10.1016/j.psyneuen.2005.07.005. PMID 16140461.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Not sure why you couldn't provide links to these articles, unless it was in the effort to show how intellectual you are. I really don't have the time to look up all of these articles, but what I can see so far is that almost every article is based on hormone imbalances and steroidal/hormonal treatment. If you are intending to state that gender identity disorder is based off of a hormonal imbalance, then why the need to validate this disorder as acceptable? Further, your articles fail to explain the effect that external stimuli such as social or family influences have on hormone levels, neurotransmitter efficacy, and brain development. I will concede that hormones play a part in gender confusion, if you will concede that there is an external stimulus component as well. Either way, they are NOT okay the way they are, they need help, and the subject of this article describes a very damaging response that will only further restrict them from recovery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 516644



It is not a disorder and you will see that is being aptly pulled from the DSM 5 as a term. As a poster above pointed out it is very rare and yes..."true transsexuals" are approximately .01% of the overall total population.

I will agree that there may actually be an external stimuli component involved with SOME individuals that fall under the "transgender" umbrella term. I personally approach that term as a pronoun in practice. The actual "transgender" community makes up a small percentage of society to begin with and "true transsexuals" (those with the strong potential of having a hormonal imbalance in utero) make up an even smaller percentage of just the "Transgender" Community.

I do think there is still a lot of education and study to be put forth in deciding just who these individuals are and providing the appropriate course of treatment for them rather than lumping them into a one size fits all modality that does not truly address the root causality and I think that is starting to occur in the Psychiatric community.

I do not think ANY child that wishes to use the "bathroom" of their perceived Gender Identity should be restricted from being allowed that privilege as long as that child is getting adequate counseling and support, and there is the rub, how do we define "adequate counseling and support"?

Here are a some of the actual links but you will probably be "to busy" to read any of the documentation presented.

[link to dbm.neuro.uni-jena.de]
[link to faculty.bennington.edu]
[link to imatyfa.org]
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
[link to www.umass.edu]
[link to www.shb-info.org]
 Quoting: Rising Son


I would much rather hear what your opinion is, moreover WHY you believe what you do - rather than sift through agenda-driven articles, but thank you for posting them - I will read them.

What I think the real issue here is that a very small percentage of individuals with apparent biological origins of gender disorder (hormonal imbalance) are being used by a growing percentage of individuals who have chosen to take on this transgender lifestyle, most notably in the form of homosexuality. It is these individuals who have demanded clearly provocative and controversial changes in order to seek the attention they crave, while the true transgendered kids want to hide from everyone.

I am also puzzled how you do not consider this a disorder, yet call for its treatment. Regardless what you call it, it is still a problem, and these kids would much rather live a normal life than suffer with this "condition". Forcing them to use a bathroom which will undoubtedly cause even more ridicule and emotional turmoil is not the right answer.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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I predict an upsurge of teenage boys deciding they want to be transgender for a day or a week just so they can get in the girls locker room.
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Not sure why you couldn't provide links to these articles, unless it was in the effort to show how intellectual you are. I really don't have the time to look up all of these articles, but what I can see so far is that almost every article is based on hormone imbalances and steroidal/hormonal treatment. If you are intending to state that gender identity disorder is based off of a hormonal imbalance, then why the need to validate this disorder as acceptable? Further, your articles fail to explain the effect that external stimuli such as social or family influences have on hormone levels, neurotransmitter efficacy, and brain development. I will concede that hormones play a part in gender confusion, if you will concede that there is an external stimulus component as well. Either way, they are NOT okay the way they are, they need help, and the subject of this article describes a very damaging response that will only further restrict them from recovery.
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It is not a disorder and you will see that is being aptly pulled from the DSM 5 as a term. As a poster above pointed out it is very rare and yes..."true transsexuals" are approximately .01% of the overall total population.

I will agree that there may actually be an external stimuli component involved with SOME individuals that fall under the "transgender" umbrella term. I personally approach that term as a pronoun in practice. The actual "transgender" community makes up a small percentage of society to begin with and "true transsexuals" (those with the strong potential of having a hormonal imbalance in utero) make up an even smaller percentage of just the "Transgender" Community.

I do think there is still a lot of education and study to be put forth in deciding just who these individuals are and providing the appropriate course of treatment for them rather than lumping them into a one size fits all modality that does not truly address the root causality and I think that is starting to occur in the Psychiatric community.

I do not think ANY child that wishes to use the "bathroom" of their perceived Gender Identity should be restricted from being allowed that privilege as long as that child is getting adequate counseling and support, and there is the rub, how do we define "adequate counseling and support"?

Here are a some of the actual links but you will probably be "to busy" to read any of the documentation presented.

[link to dbm.neuro.uni-jena.de]
[link to faculty.bennington.edu]
[link to imatyfa.org]
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
[link to www.umass.edu]
[link to www.shb-info.org]
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I would much rather hear what your opinion is, moreover WHY you believe what you do - rather than sift through agenda-driven articles, but thank you for posting them - I will read them.

What I think the real issue here is that a very small percentage of individuals with apparent biological origins of gender disorder (hormonal imbalance) are being used by a growing percentage of individuals who have chosen to take on this transgender lifestyle, most notably in the form of homosexuality. It is these individuals who have demanded clearly provocative and controversial changes in order to seek the attention they crave, while the true transgendered kids want to hide from everyone.

I am also puzzled how you do not consider this a disorder, yet call for its treatment. Regardless what you call it, it is still a problem, and these kids would much rather live a normal life than suffer with this "condition". Forcing them to use a bathroom which will undoubtedly cause even more ridicule and emotional turmoil is not the right answer.
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It is quite simple actually. I feel that we as a society need to finally come to grips with the absolute FACT that gender is NOT BINARY. Yes there are two cis-gendered ends of the spectrum but there is are people that do fit into the middle. An Intersexed person fits squarely in the middle. If you are going to deny Intersex conditions as being biological in nature then I cannot help you there.

Whether Gender variance is by nature or nurture should NOT be the argument. We were told to love ALL of god's creatures were we not? I think educating others on the beautiful diversity of our species should be our foremost concern.

As far as the whole bathroom issue goes...the UK has had Unisex bathrooms for as long as I can recall and I don't see a whole lot of issues that have arisen out of that as far as cis-modesty is concerned.
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Re: Students Who Refuse to Affirm Transgender Classmates Face Punishment....More insanity..
This extremely rare problem seems to be getting commoner as it becomes more politically correct. Being transgendered is becoming the latest fad.
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You touched on a very important aspect, not just to gender confusion, but also to homosexuality. Kids and young adults see the added attention that these "special" people get with their new-found orientation, and they want that attention as well. Add to that, the effect of peer pressure and the immoral desensitization by popular culture and the MSM, the decision to become gay or transgender is almost forced upon them, otherwise they are labeled a homophobe and ostracized in much the same way they claim they are victims of. This is a culture of corruption, and it is sickening to see.
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LOL are you saying "popular culture" and the "MSM" is causing an increase in homosexual behavior???? LOL LOL LOL

Homosexual behavior has been around since the begining, Lady Gaga didn't create any issues that have not been around since the stone age. Are you serious? Really? Really?

You are truly blind to the reality of human history. I am sorry I wasted my time on some one as feeble minded as you.
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Let me get this straight - you are forming your opinion off of what you call scientific fact, even though it has never been proven as a birth defect? You are absolutely right, these kids need our help, but not the help you subscribe to where you ignore what is wrong with them and allow them to continue on with a false sense of pride in being "different" and "special". They have a mental illness that HAS been proven to be corrected with specialized counseling and gender development. You want to ignore the greater problem here, which is that most of these children were not born with this - the problem developed as the result of social or parental stimuli - such as living in a single parent home with no proper interpersonal relationship development, family dysfunction, sexual abuse, etc. You would rather lie to the child and tell them that they are fine just the way there are, when it is clear they are not. Your moral indifference and blind apathy will only bring these kids more suffering, because they will never fit in anywhere as long as they are lied to and told there is nothing wrong with them. You are part of the problem, and you will continue to hurt these kids as long as you are emotionally dishonest with them. Criticism sucks, got it - but it is necessary for us to develop, ALL of us.
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This is the type of "insanity" that is destroying the world.

You are the individual with a "mental illness"...you are insane.

I call you insane from the blanket statement you make that something has been "proven" that has not, and your solution to a issue that is with the individual and not society.

Lack of understanding is part of your insane ramblings.

With gender issues directly I can state as FACT that transgender behavior has been a part of human culture throughout history.

Ancient Rome, China, Greece, Africa, even North America, everywhere you look throughout history you will find transgender behavior.

Rome's Emperor Elagabalus, the Hijras of India, King Ashurbanipal of Assyria, William Shakespeare used cross-dressing men as women on stage, Japanese Kabuki used cross-dressing, etc, etc, etc,.

This FACT would discredit your theory that is a social developmental problem...you would have us all believe that this issue is just a big Jerry Springer episode, hence the claim you are the one who has the mental illness.

Reality is no one knows for sure what causes many of today's health concerns. The "SCIENCE" tells how we develope as fetuses...and the FACT of that SCIENCE is gender is INTRODUCED not predetermined!!!!

Relax, take a moment, think about it, and realize I am right and you are wrong...then start life over again with the gift I have given you of an open mind.

Science and medicine from 100 years ago did not know as much as science and medicine today...and I promise you that science and medicine of today does not know as much as science and medicine will know 100 years from now.

What you think you know...you do not know. All I know and understand is, we have to help those who seek help and bend when we must. Your way of having an answer for a problem you may not understand, lacks vision and leads to suffering for your comfort of mind.

Back off and let those among us with sense enough to understand human behavior, make the decisions...you bury yourself in your confusion and we will sort things out for you.

Medical or mental, social or biological, error on the side of decency not hate...let go of that anger and your "mental illness" may resolve itself.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Quite the little condescending one, aren't we? I'm not sure how you can see real interpersonal relations and interactions from sitting so high on your horse.

Not once did you mention the state of morality and it's influence on transgender behavior. These "historic examples" you cite are not morally upstanding and model individuals participating in this behavior, they are the result of a culture descended into iniquity, where anything goes and if you have the nerve to call anyone out on it, you're labeled a hater and ridiculed.

Every society that has taken this immoral path has crumbled, but I suppose you would have us believe it had nothing to do with morality, or the lack thereof.

Your approach to this problem is inadequate, mainly because you have completely missed the point. You are so busy trying to find a scientific point of validation to prove this immoral behavior is acceptable, instead of realizing it is the result of a culture descended into corruption and putrid iniquity. Your approach of apathy and indifference will not only do nothing to stop this, it will empower it's continuation and worsening.

You falsely accuse me of hating - I care enough of these people to get them the help they really need, not a bunch of fence-sitting "oneness" idealists who believe they can solve this problem by reasoning with immorality. I don't know what difference that I can make individually, but I sure know my own children will not grow up exposed to this madness, nor will they subscribe to it as you do when they're older. I've got five more just like me at home, so you can call us homophobes, xenophobes, bigots, whatever you want - we are not going away.
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